Would have been extra hilarious if he’d just sent Ron Meadows and a couple of the catering staff 😂
speaking of 'desperate moves'....
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia-red-bull-rejection-review/6638742/
But, at the risk of labouring the point, why go to the bother of getting Albon to create something that would look convincingly like a desperate and ill-judged lunge up the inside with an inevitable collision, when they could have simply discovered the on-board footage from Max’s car at Portimao? 🙂
😂😂😂😂
From the motorsport.com link they appear to think that maybe RedBull have criticised the stewards/FIA?? If that’s true that’s a REALLY bad move on RedBulls part. Throw mud around at other teams - they probable don’t mind - but criticise the governing body is really some thing way beyond that.
I hope someone leaks those “accusations”!!!!
Oh and BTW some of the memes on that Twitter thread are COMEDY GOLD.
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I'm just utterly bewildered as to what Red Bull think they could have achieved by all this nonsense. Feeling aggrieved by Hamilton winning after Max crashed is perfectly understandable, having a bit of a moan for a couple of days would be pretty normal. This "new evidence" stunt was just dumb - did they really expect anyone to take them seriously about this? The entire pitlane must be laughing their arses off.
Stewards dismiss Red Bull’s request for review of Hamilton’s Silverstone penalty, determining the evidence provided was neither new nor significant and had been created rather than discovered.
Apparently that was getting Albon to mimic Hamilton's speed and line on the simulator. He never made the corner.
This therefore proves that Albon in a Red Bull with their aero package and brake force/balance, on a simulation of the tyre wear and track conditions could not make the corner.
What this says about Hamilton in a totaly different car with tyres they can't possibly know about I'm not sure...
Possibly a little desperate 🤣
I'm looking forward to Coulthard (and maybe Webber) "interviewing" Karen Horner about this whole fiasco on the C4 coverage sponsored by RedBull.
Apparently that was getting Albon to mimic Hamilton’s speed and line on the simulator. He never made the corner.
Not on the sim...actually at Silverstone in a private test in a RB17 (?)
What a waste of money
What a waste of money
And second time this month that they‘ve forked out for an absolute car crash.
Mind you, it’s the Budapest cinemas I feel sorry for. I can’t imagine they can get hold of popcorn for love nor money right now.
Interesting…
I think that RB insinuated that Hamilton was let off as the stewards (at the British GP) were biased towards Hamilton (a British driver) and further, that they were biased against Verstappen. I think they cited the fact that Russell was given a 3 place grid penalty for his collision with Sainz...
Slightly undermined by the fact (obviously) that Russell is in fact; British...Desperate times indeed.
RB17
It was the RB15 (2019)
What a waste of money
Yep!
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I’m looking forward to Coulthard (and maybe Webber) “interviewing” Karen Horner about this whole fiasco
Christ I'm not. The way those two handled the commentary live was excruciating. It was left to 'fluffy filler' Steve Jones to ask Karen the awkward questions at the wrap up whilst the two OAP Red Bull(shit) employees looked on like naughty schoolboys.
I think that RB insinuated that Hamilton was let off as the stewards (at the British GP) were biased towards Hamilton (a British driver) and further, that they were biased against Verstappen.
The stewards' decision was signed by Nish Shetty, Dennis Dean, Loic Bacquelaine, Emanuele Pirro, and Eric Cowcill. Do a Google search and see how many were British. RB might be right that they don't like Verstappen though, he's a difficult person to actually like rather than respect as a driver.
What a waste of money
I wonder how much change it left out of £1.3 million?
Do a Google search and see how many were British
I know they're not British, I think RB insinuation is that they were influenced by the fact it's a British driver and a British GP...It's incoherent, and I think shows the bottom of the barrel has well and truly been been reached.
It’s incoherent, and I think shows the bottom of the barrel has well and truly been been reached.
It is incoherent. There are always more barrels under the current barrel.
I'm not really enjoying the anti-Max sentiment or suggestions that the stewards might be biased TBH, Max is a racing driver paid to do a job.
One thing that did occur to me was that Max was the obvious candidate to replace Lewis at Merc, right up until Lewis signed a new two year contract...Red Bull's knobbery may have something to do with ensuring that particular bridge is burned.
If the stewards decided that RBR had created the information and not discovered it. Isn't that lying so bringing the sport into disrepute? Isn't there something like a £100m fine for that?
Although if rumours are to be believed the £100m fine was made up of £1m for the actual offence and $£99m because Max Mosley though Ron Dennis was a bit of a c***
Well, he wasn't wrong about that. 🙂
Although if rumours are to be believed the £100m fine was made up of £1m for the actual offence and $£99m because
Max Mosley thoughRon Dennis was a bit of a c***
FTFY
I think they meant that by getting Albon to attempt to drive the same GPS track that the stewards already had, all they'd achieved was creating a video attempting to show what would have happened to Hamilton. (Albeit driven by a different driver, in a different car, in different conditions..)
One thing that did occur to me was that Max was the obvious candidate to replace Lewis at Merc, right up until Lewis signed a new two year contract…Red Bull’s knobbery may have something to do with ensuring that particular bridge is burned.
As far as hiring drivers goes, Merc will take whoever is fastest. Something like this wouldn't come into it except that Max basically threw away the race by not yielding - he had a faster car so letting Hamilton past was much smarter than risking an accident. Saying dumb stuff after a crash isn't really going to come into hiring decisions.
Thing is, there was never any serious possibility of Hamilton retiring/going to Ferrari/etc. With Hamilton still at the top of his game and being a massive marketing asset with his anti-racism work, Merc have no need for Max. Max knew that so he signed a multi-year deal with Red Bull.
Hope they put the right soundtrack to intro Albon's reenactment.
Toto showing Red Bull how adults behave.
Just not getting better for Red Bull.
https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/1421091711296626690
No idea if this is genuine, but Red Bull have an image problem either way.
https://twitter.com/swiftsambi/status/1420778553713389571
Mm, Horner is doing a fine line in saying he’s letting it go while not letting it go, casually listing the pile of chips on his shoulder while saying the matter’s closed.
Also still adopting his own version of the truth…
“We've lost a car in its entirety under a budget cap environment for something that the stewards didn't deem to be Max's fault.
Except the engine seems to be working fine, and the stewards didn’t say Hamilton was fully at fault, the implication being that they deemed Verstappen to be to some extent at faul.
“So there's nothing personal about it. But even a seven-time world champion can sometimes make mistakes, or misjudgements. That's just a fact of life, but at no point has this been personal about Lewis.”
Right, so comments like “I hope he can sleep tonight after what he’s done” don’t imply anything personal?
Christ, this is getting fun. Move over Rich Energy, there’s a new jerk circus in town! 😂
Ten days ago, Red Bull had a decent claim that they'd been a bit hard done by - steward's decision was that Hamilton was mostly to blame but he came out of it with a big points gain. This week they look like clowns for turning up with fabricated evidence and are having to fire people for racism. I'm guessing their P.R. consultants tell Marko, Horner, Verstappen, and everyone else to just drop it. The F1 project was intended to boost fizzy drink sales around the world. Nothing like a bit of racism on social media to wipe out that fun, exciting image they've spent a couple of decades cultivating.
https://twitter.com/Lewis__Duncan/status/1421095258025299974
Wow RedBull is really getting backed into a corner here and it’s not going to go well:
1) Employees fired after racist map in meeting - well they weren’t fired but just “let go” which is super lame and a lot of people will latch onto that. Reading the reports say that the person presenting it was warned not to use it either!!
2) Employees write to company protesting about RB not joining in with anti-racist stance properly.
3) F1 Race boss (Karen Horner) seems to make a simple crash personal against a black driver, going WAY beyond what he should have done and almost provoking online racist abuse against LH. I can’t think of another example of such bad vitriol from a F1 team member against another person in the F1 paddock in the modern F1 era.
They are really really going to have to work hard to dig themselves out of this one. Surely the “comments” they made in the appeal will come out soon.
Wonder what all this will do to their sales??
The truth is that the racist “sackings” and the company letter would probably have attracted little attention overall if it hadn’t been for CH’s anti LH crusade but people will put all these bits of evidence together and RB may soon be known as the “racist team” if they don’t do some serious damage control. I’m not saying they are racist but when a label like that sticks to you it’s very hard to peel off.
Are redbull suggesting Albon is just as good a driver as Lewis with that pointless crimewatch re-enactment.
I think Lewis should interrupt when Horner is being interviewed live and say 'is it because I is black' 😀
Lewis just has to keep on doing what he's doing. He's said very little about the incident but what he has said has been precise and very composed. His very first comments were "Max is too aggresive", thus controlling the narrative in a way in which put the spotloght more on Red Bull than himself.
He followed up in a press conference saying that the abuse was inevitable and if it highlights the problems withinn Formula 1 then thats a good thing, his shoulders are broad enough to deal with the pressure.
I've been more impressed than ever by him, his overall countenance has been -'this is what I've been talking about all along.' Silverstone was a win for him both on and off the track.
I think Red Bull will be doing some more whinging about those out lap games... Ramping up the mental pressure and frustration on Verstappen.
Don't think max would have ever beaten lewis's first lap time.
RB have wound themselves up so tightly playing games, they have left themselves so easy to play by Hamilton and Mercedes.
Reminds me of the infamous Kevin Keegan incident.
Don’t think max would have ever beaten lewis’s first lap time.
I don't think so either but I do wonder what extra pressure is now on Max to get a result and how stupid things will get tomorrow...
So two Mercs on the front row on medium tyres, with two Red Bulls behind them on softs, great strategy situation for Merc. Max is not going to want to run third on the road behind Bottas while Hamilton cruises off into the distance. Even finishing L1 second with Bottas behind him won't work strategy wise. My money's on Max having a first lap meltdown, he's going to be desperate to get revenge for Silverstone and show that he's the boss.
Certainly they're going to have to get past the Mercs pretty fast, otherwise behind those Mercs, Max's is just going to scrub those tyres into nothing. With the track temp and probably a 2 stop race...can't see how RB are going to win this, TBH.
What odds on Lewis and Max coming together on lap one...?
It's certainly set up nicely for some shenanigans, therefore I reckon it will be a complete damp squib and Max will roll in 3rd but with an extra point for fastest lap.
What odds on Lewis and Max coming together on lap one…?
1/4
Bottas and Verstappen coming together 1/2
Basically, there's going to be a 50-50 chance of Max pulling off any disputed passing move for the rest of the season because other drivers know that he has more to lose than they do, but he has a psychological need to impose his superiority so it's just going to be a coin toss. He probably has about a 50% chance of beating Bottas off the line, with a 50% chance of not hitting Hamilton after that.