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lol, Italy had 36 attempts on goal (only 8 on target though). If their finishing had been even half-way decent we would have been utterly, utterly humiliated.
Whilst Terry is good at what he *can* do, what he *can't* do is run very quickly and that is the root of lots of our problems - we sit deep and invite people on to us. If he had more pace we would be more confident pushing up more and causing teams their own problems.
Rodwell, The Ox, Wilshere, Hart, Lescott, Walcott, Sturridge, Welbeck, Richards and a couple more.
The nucleus of a very good squad. The problem is the 100mph premier league. Ever wondered why so many of the average european players come over but the very, very best usually stay away? Unless the PL changes or more of our talented youngsters go play in spain, italy & germany we'll continue to underperform.
mf,
totally agree with your description of Terry's strengths and "inadequacies" but its not the cause of our problems, just incidental.
The reason we sit deep and surrender territory and possession is Roy Hodgson's tactical plan. He choses the formations, personell, and tactics to fit his gameplan; the players play to his plan.
Lescott's a pretty quick defender, and Jaglielka's very quick too. They weren't played together because Terry's more suitable for Roy's plan of defending on our 6yd line.
I'm not big footie-er but even I could recognise that Milner and Young were bloody awful in every game. Oh, and who the bloody hell is that Henderson bloke? What's his job?
What's his job?
In the current system being utilised by our great leader, Mr Hodgson, I believe his role is known as [i]Shadow Chaser[/i].
This current system has [i]1 goalkeeper[/i], 2 [i]non-handling goalblockers[/i], and 8 [i]shadow chasers[/i].
i hate to say it but the outlook with the current crop of players has the look of the turnip taylor era.
do i not like that.
We want English players to be able to beat Spain, Italy, Germany, etc? Not a chance as long as footie is coached the way it is at the moment. And as long as the Premier League acts like it has no responsibility for the success of the national side but only acts in the interests of it's own avarice, England will be forever a quarter-finals side.
You speak for yourself there paddy i want them to habitually fail in penalty shootouts for ever more 😆
And as long as the Premier League acts like it has no responsibility for the success of the national side
+1
One of the best paid leagues with some of the best (overseas) players in the world yet we seemingly do little to nurture our own players.
+1One of the best paid leagues with some of the best (overseas) players in the world yet we seemingly do little to nurture our own players.
It's the same as a lot of people/organisations these days, why take time & work for success when you can buy it instantly.
As much as I dislike ManU there won't ever be a team of like the Beckham/Scholes/Giggs/Neville coming through again. The only person in the Prem who appears to take development seriously is Arsene Wenger but he can only take players so far until they get seduced by even more money & even he still buys in hot prospects at 18-22 years old to try & impart his philosophy on them.
I don't think we'll go back to Taylor era - no one in the England team is as bad as Carlton Palmer & with players like Adam Johnson, Keiron Gibbs, Jack Wilshere, Wellbeck, Sturridge, Cahill & Joe Hart we have the nucleus of a good team.
I just hope for once the FA actually do something about it - the same way Germany did after we beat them in 66 & then again around 2000 when they limply went out of tournaments. Unfortunately the numbers of coaches holding UEFA badges in this country is still about 3000, compared to Spain's 24,000 & Germany's 35,000 (figures from bbc website) until we actually teach the kids control touch & technique, not hoof it to the freakishly big 7 year old in the team we will continue to fail..
mf , p j
Good article in the independent this morning with Benitez saying something very similar to you two, and establishing a U21 premier league instead of the reserve teams.
Rioja open, check.
Chocolate digestive tapas, check.
Bank account with no money, check.
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¡A por ellos!
Good game this...
Until the ref sticks his nose in... 🙄
The ref picked by the head of the Spanish fa?
I'm wondering how long portugal can keep this up....
Well, that's a perfect example by Nani of exactly the kind of play acting that should bring a retrospective punishment.
It's Spain v Portugal, you'll see a lot more of that. It really is part of the Spanish club game, like it or lump it...
good game.
I'd be happy with watching an extra half hour of this 😉
It's fun watching penalties as a neutral.
edit . although i reckon there loks like more chance of a result, and a red the way this ref's getting involved now
Very inconsistent refereeing....
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Can not see Portugal finishing extra time with eleven men..
Lineker +1
Ramos is having a great game..
Ramos is having a great game..
Everyone forgets how good he & Pique are cos they're hardly ever in the game!
Casillas FTW.
This is more relaxing penalties than the other night...
ooof what a save - inside info from Ronaldo?
f-me portugal might just do it!
edit- maybe not
GOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!
ey up Nani...
Why can't our defenders take penalties like that?
Here comes Alves - he's go an English fluffer look about him...
¡Que chulo!
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!!!!!!
Whoops - Bad decision there by CR7....
Whoops - Bad decision there by CR7..
Good player, but I don't think he's a great player.... yet...
for a 0-0, that was fun.
4-3 tomorrow from the two "boring" teams?
Good player, but I don't think he's a great player.... yet...
Doesn't help that once again he went awol on the big stage, someone like Messi is still involved & tries to make it all happen.
Mad Mario strikes!
Super Marioooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
EAT MY GOAL
what are those tapes for on Ballatellis back
This?
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If I was in the Spanish squad, I wouldn't fancy playing the Italy team that's turned up tonight!
+1. 😥
Cracking game.
It'll all be down to Mario - he's looked up for it this tournament, when he's on his game he is one of the best in the world.
He's been a bit indifferent in the tournament so far, but he was up for it tonight.
The German team got too arrogant, some of the interviews they have given over the past couple of days really just made me want them to get thrashed.
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timc - Member
Italy are my dark horse, going very well at the moment.
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schrickvr6 - Member
Mario Gotze or RVP player of the tournament.
Told you Gotze wouldn't get a game
well at least i don't have to listen to car horns until one in the morning like last week.....
and i don't have to appear to be interested when people tell me how good the german team are....
the mood was really positive here prior to the game, and i'm not surprised given how Italy played against England.
aufwiedersehen.....!!!!
oh, and seeing people cry over a game is funny... schadenfreude, perhaps.
so we went out on penalties to the finalists, and from what I've seen, best team in the tournament so far.
I still remain to be convinced that given the players at his disposal, and the capabilities of those players, that Roy Hodgson got his tactics all wrong.
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I assume you meant [u]V[/u]enality
I still remain to be convinced that given the players at his disposal, and the capabilities of those players, that Roy Hodgson got his tactics all wrong
i wasn't really aware that anyone had suggested that roy got much fundamentally wrong from a tactical point of view.
i think you could reasonably question his insistence on picking rooney, young or milner against italy when all three were obviously well short of form.
One last time....
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Spain playing with a bit more thrust than they have done previously in the tournament.
Faith I have in del Bosque, but I can't help thinking that a lack of out and out striker is making things more difficult for him and the team. A beautiful cross to, to, to....?
But on the other hand......
...GOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!
What do I know?
Gooooooooooaaaaaalllllllllllll! (South American style)
😀
Gooooooooooaaaaaalllllllllllll! (Spanish style)
Gooooooooooaaaaaalllllllllllll!
Spain 3 - 0 Italy
More goals please ... 😆
😳
Goooooaaaallll !
Spain 4 - 0 Italy
😳 😳 😳 😳
can I have salt and pepper with my humble pie. I've accused Spain this tournament of being boring, pass pass pass with no end result.
I clearly am a ****wit and will cease commenting on football threads herewith.
Amazing.
All those nice short passes to retain the ball makes the game so nice to watch for once ... unlike some "lions" that kick the ball as far as they could and then chase ... like a race horse ... LOL!
Campeones, campeones!
Enhorabuena campeones!!!!
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Phew! Another big tournament finished ...
Next Wimbledon ... then Olympic ... hmmm ...
Best football squad ever?
Most tedious football squad ever. Turned up in the final but bored the pants of everyone in the games before.
If boring = being able to pass amazingly well.
Pure joy to watch every game with their mesmerizing passes and just shear precision and skill.
Well, del Bosque wasn't fired from Real Madrid for winning. 😛
Cracking team, good Champions from a really enjoyable tournament.
World cup's going to be brilliant, see if they can beat Brazil on their own turf.
Argies' have a decent player or two as well.