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Did you watch the video Junky? I would ****ing love to see you tell that Taxi driver he was racist 😆
I think free movement hurts the less well off [b]very badly [/b]indeed.
Ok, here's a challenge. Can you find one (yes only one) piece of credible research (ie not the Wail or Express) that supports this idea?
Or does "very badly" equate to "many millions of Poles"? 😉
I watched some of it but skimmed it in the main, I did not see the taxi driver.Time stamp please?
Why is he violent as well?I would ****ing love to see you tell that Taxi driver he was racist
Its interesting to see the children of immigrants also going on about immigration - its good to see that we assimilate foreigners so well that they are small minded little englanders within a generation 😛
7:10, the racist ****.
😉 opens this up and thought I read Z11, the racist **** 😉
Ok, here's a challenge. Can you find one (yes only one) piece of credible research (ie not the Wail or Express) that supports this idea?Or does "very badly" equate to "many millions of Poles"?
TMH you are being partial and simplistic. The free movement of labour, as one of the three pillars, makes perfect sense in a functioning political and economic union - e.g. the US or the UK where surplus and deficit can neatly compensate. Where it falls down is when economic/employment conditions are too divergent between pools of labour such that the transfer is only ever going to be one way; where labour is co-opted/adopted unplanned from even more benighted locations not even in the union (our 1m 'Syrians'); where benefit regimes differ such that the UK has 'pull factors' outside of economic growth (being benefits based on residence and not 'time served'); and where the other pillars required to make the theory work are only partially implemented, or more likely blocked by vested interests who fear UK competition in services. Self evidently the free movement of labour within the EU is no panacea.
PS, this:
as Brexiters go, they appeared among the more thoughtful and informed.
is pretty unpleasant, patronising and supercilious. You need to work on this as not everyone is as stupid as you seem to think.
In or OUT ...
Someone please bribe me to vote Labour please ...
I want kickbacks to vote Labour.
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Jamba. In what way will falling labour costs help those at the bottom then? Or do you just not care about them
Not at all @graham which is why I'm vote Leave. I was speculating about how Remain would be better for me personally, selfishly almost, in the short term (mainly due to higher house prices)
@mrleb my post was rather tongue in cheek but thanks for responding, you and me both.
Well, about a week until the next recession. I've stocked up on tins of beans.
TMH you are being partial and simplistic.
I'll take that as a no then, from both of you. Go on - one link!!
The free movement of labour, as one of the three pillars, makes perfect sense in a functioning political and economic union
More than that, it is a prerequisite of a common or optimum currency area
Where it falls down is when economic/employment conditions are too divergent between pools of labour such that the transfer is only ever going to be one way;
Good job that is not happening then isn't it
where labour is co-opted/adopted unplanned from even more benighted locations not even in the union (our 1m 'Syrians');
Are we talking abut refugees or immigrants now or deliberately conflating the two? Remind me of our legal requirement re refugees from conflict and who determines that?
where benefit regimes differ such that the UK has 'pull factors' outside of economic growth (being benefits based on residence and not 'time served');
Ok, I might give you that one...[bugger that as a relatively prosperous economy, we have relatively generous provision for the needy!]
and where the other pillars required to make the theory work are only partially implemented,
...and that one, but..
Self evidently the free movement of labour within the EU is no panacea.
...that comes from nowhere. Who is making that claim anyway? Seems a bit "partial and simplistic" there to me
You need to work on this as not everyone is as stupid as you seem to think.
Sorry are you suggesting that they were neither thoughtful nor informed, even stupid!?! THAT is is pretty unpleasant etc...
Well, about a week until the next recession. I've stocked up on tins of beans.
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Don't forget this, Protect and Survive
Come on jambas mon ami - just one little [s]waffer mint[/s] sorry, link....
So Tom Watson sort of gets it. He says today that Labour aren't listening to voters concern - yup. He says that freedom of movement within the EU [b]may[/b] need to be looked at in the future.
Nearly there. It has already been looked at and the clear feedback is that its central to the EU and non-negotiable. You know what's next, we have to take back control of our borders by leaving the EU
It has already been looked at
So there must be some links that are easy to find. Or is it just scaremongering/xenophobia. One or the other.....
Don't forget this, Protect and Survive
Too right - this bit:
Is what the NHS will be like if Boris becomes PM
TMH - from your response you agree with me, except for my assertion that the flow of labour is only going to be one way. I should have clarified this better - the flow of labour between France and England could be equally both ways if the English were better at foreign languages, or if the French didn't want to work in the City and get taxed more equitably. However the flow of labour between somewhere like Romania and the UK isn't ever going to be two way, even if everyone spoke the same language.
Regarding your request for a link - whether you blame unscrupulous UK gangmasters/employers, or the free movement of labour alone, it would seem odd to argue that immigration from certain parts of the EU has not lowered wages for those who can least afford it. I don't really see any basis for that assertion, especially as the equalisation of wages would be one expected outcome from the implementation of the free movement of labout in a currency area, were it working effectively? It's a long time since I studied macroeconomics so maybe I am wrong.
I'm sure THM will answer for himself, but it seems to me that your claim rests on the assumption that immigration doesn't change anything except the demand for jobs, whereas there are plenty of examples (one featured on R4 Today this morning) where immigrant labour allows a business to prosper and hence create jobs at the bottom of the scale.
1, no I don't agree with you.
2. It's not an odd argument at all. There is no evidence to support Jambas claim.* None at all, which is why you guys cannot provide a link, Simple.
3. It's not macroeconomics you need, it's micro and the theory of labour and an understanding of how demand and supply of labour works. Otherwise the conclusions become "partial and simplistic. "
*I was thinking that you guys might at least try to misuse/misquote the BoE analysis on the subject that the BS spokesman refer to. Ironically not only does their chosen work conclude that the impact is both specific and small but it is less than their previous study from 7-8 years despite the fact that volumes have increased. Now go and work that one out!!!
Interesting programme on BBC2 on immigration just now. Of course it is on against the football, so the ones who need to watch will not do so. (Unfortunately it gives airtime to the revolting Rod "two black savages" Liddle)
- IDS is saying that the issue is not money (since immigrants contribute taxes) it's that British people don't feel comfortable with foreigners.
Here's a question I thought of whilst out riding in this particular part of Europe.
If you vote leave, this causes a recession, and your employer needs to make redundancies, will you volunteer first? Fair enough, no?
Good bit on C4 news this evening about NHS and immigrants. NHS pays out about £4bn to EU governments for treatment of UK citizens living abroad while claiming back about about £400 million for the treatment of EU nationals in the UK.
It mentioned that EU nationals living in the UK spend 50% less time in UK hospitals that UK citizens, whilst many UK citizens living abroad are retired and thus expensive.
Also the NHS has a poor track record of claiming the money it can from other EU governments for treatment.
ATG - no surprises there. Most EU immigrants are young and healthy and tend to go home for medical treatment - as the same news showed, because they prefer the service at home!
Dr -is that really true? When did IDS say that?
[quote=ninfan ]7:10, the racist ****.
I saw the fella before him speak last time I think my point still stands about how well they integrate they become little englanders themself and adopt our ways of resenting immigration. Its a marvellous example of how well they integrate I think .
DrJ where are these 300,000 people per anum living, where are all the empty houses, spare hospital beds and school places they are filling up ?
Never was "dog whistle", its not in Canada, Australia, New Zealand or indeed everywhere else in the world where freedom of movement does not exist. Vote Leave put out a short film today showing how the EU is the one with the racist immigration policy, in fact the official IN leaflet says we will not favour non-EU families. That's racist
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Link?
2 Hopes and Bob's dead
A proper link - not to BSers Facebook.
Hmm, that's interesting. I asked 12 hours ago about how many livelihoods and jobs the leavers thought it would be worth wrecking, with all the concomitant misery that follows, for the sake of achieving an exit - no replies.
@ Jambalaya, you seem to be the leave campaign's mouthpiece here, how many livelihoods is it worth? I'd like to know as you must have given it some thought? 5000, 10,000 ..........
Jamby your assertion that the free movement of nationals within the EU common market is racist is ****ing absurd even by your standards
In UK terms what this means is its racist that a welsh person can move to glasgow or London because an indian cannot without immigration control
IT's patently absurd and we will be even more racist if we leave as we will let even fewer nations- ie NONE- move here freely than we do now
PLease at least have some semblance of sense and logic to your online persona.
Oh yes - good point on telly now - no more booze cruises if we leave.
THM BBC 2 programme w mishal Hussain just now. I imagine it's on iplayer.
Thx - I dipped in and out of that
Jambas, an aside for the moment. When should FTSE shorts be covered?
Foolish to be short, its going to be volatile. SMH has been short eurostoxx for 3 years, I doubt he's covered.
Agreed with long vol 😉
I think my point still stands about how well they integrate they become little englanders themself and adopt our ways of resenting immigration. Its a marvellous example of how well they integrate I think .
'They'?
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I could have said immigrants but then you would have asked my how I knew he was an immigrant
Ninfan if you wont ever be sensible i will stop trying my once per month attempt to engage with you to see if you have stopped just scribbling.
DrJ there is always a first time for everything so I have reported your persistant abuse of me
are you going to answer the question on jobs Jambalaya??
[b]Be happy Vote OUT or Vote Leave[/b] ... 😆
Some of you are really thinking too much as if you are going to be affected like a bunch of self defeatists ...
As Michael Jackson once said with his soft voice: "You are ignorant! You are ignorant!". 😆
I still think Remain will win but a Brexit win does now seem to be a possibility at least. Its amazing how the vibe has changed in the last 10 days since the Select Committee rubbished some of the crap figures (critical mainly of the Treasury guff about us being £4,000 worse off by 2025 etc) and then that awesome person mocking Cameron for waffling. Eevn the BBC is being more even handed now and its become safe at work to say Brexit without getting told off. Bring on Brexit!
Hmm, something to look forward to. You must be delighted Jambalaya.
hh45 - answer my question. Would you volunteer for redundancy due to a recession that you helped cause?
bainbrge - Memberis pretty unpleasant, patronising and supercilious. You need to work on this as not everyone is as stupid as you seem to think.
Don't be too harsh on THM, I don't think he is quite as clever as he would like to be, hence his constant attempts to make others look stupid, and thereby, so he thinks, him more clever.
Sadly for him it just makes him look a little bit stupid, something which it appears he is too daft to realise.
His response to you is a perfect example :
[i]"Sorry are you suggesting that they were neither thoughtful nor informed, even stupid!?! THAT is is pretty unpleasant etc..."[/i]
How childish to pretend that you meant something different - it's sort of thing that you might expect from a 13 year old. I don't think he's 13 🙂
Evening ernie
You are correct. Saying something that others do not mean is very childish. Not surprise that you picked that up, eh?
Anything meaningful to contribute while you are here?
Edukator - Reformed TrollA few pages back Jamba claimed France had become EU Skeptic. I've now gone through polls over several years and haven't found one more EU skeptic than 55% remain to 45% Frexit (stripping out the don't knows). Perhaps I've missed something. In terms of demands for a referendum, about 50% are in favour.
I linked to a very recent poll which I mentioned to you before, look through my posts.