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Johnson reaching new depths this evening. The best way to honour Jo Cox would be to get Brexit done and apparently asking him to moderate his language to avoid words like traitors is “humbug”.
He’s pretty much goading Parliament to get rid of him so he can sneak no-deal through in the chaos.
£5 says he’ll end up in prison one day for something he’s up to at the moment, something stinks, this beyond stupid now, he’s desperate.
I am certain the media have lots of bad stuff on him , they are just releasing it slowly , one bit at a time , just like with his affair with that US woman .
All PM BoJo nees to do is disregard the oppositions coz they cannot do anything to PM BoJo at all apart from attacking PM BoJo as a person.
Send PM BoJo to prison? Do it or they are just bluffing. 😄
All PM BoJo nees to do is disregard the oppositions coz they cannot do anything to PM BoJo at all apart from attacking PM BoJo as a person.
Send PM BoJo to prison? Do it or they are just bluffing. 😄
Christ you are boringly predictable.
All PM BoJo nees to do is disregard the oppositions coz they cannot do anything to PM BoJo at all apart from attacking PM BoJo as a person.
Send PM BoJo to prison? Do it or they are just bluffing. 😄
Yeah all that can do is attack him personally for his words and actions.
Christ you are boringly predictable.
I want to see a British PM, in office, in prison during my lifetime coz that will be history in the making. 😄
Clearly chewkw doesn't read the links he posts. If he did, he would have the answers to his own questions.
What is all this nonsense comparing us to 1930's Germany. This is just a Prime Minister trying to give the people what they want. At least he sees the importance of the Triumph Of The Will
^^ like what you did there.
I want to see a British PM, in office, in prison during my lifetime coz that will be history in the making. 😄
Why specifically a British one? Would you settle for an American president?
Aren’t they both people you(r persona) support?
Why specifically a British one? Would you settle for an American president?
Aren’t they both people you(r persona) support?
I think there are two impeachments in the past from both Democrat (Clinton) and Republican (Nixon) Presidents so nothing new there ... might be some other President(s) but I cannot recall.
But to see a British PM Jailed for wanting to carry out the Referendum promise is the first. i.e. jail for wanting to do the right thing? 🤣
He wouldn't be imprisoned for giving the people what they want though. He would be imprisoned for shutting down parliament, an act that the Conservatives insist was nothing to do with Brexit.
Johnson has lost the plot
Sneering at the murder of No Cox is not normal
Andrea leadsome looked grimfaced after he said it
He wouldn’t be imprisoned for giving the people what they want though. He would be imprisoned for shutting down parliament, an act that the Conservatives insist was nothing to do with Brexit.
Yes, but do you think the public will see it that way?
Basically, you have both sides trying to play the bluffing game.
I’ve just watched the British Prime Minister say that the best way to honour Jo Cox’s memory - killed by a nationalist who shouted ‘Britain First!’ As he killed her - is to ‘get Brexit done’
What on earth can you say about that?
Dark times ahead
Written to my Tory mp asking if he can really support Johnson after his comments.
Please do the same if you are cursed with a Tory mp.
He has completely legitimised Far Right methods.
There is going to be blood spilt and he will have played a part in it.
He will be no different after, he has no sense of morality, responsibility of guilt.
Deeply saddened to see some of the comments of friends today that seem to side with him. I just can't look at them the same way now. People I thought I knew.
I still think this may cause a backlash amongst the tories. Be prepared for him to be further humiliated in parliament and perhaps even deposed by his party.
The man is an utter disgrace
Please do the same if you are cursed with a Tory mp.
I will be doing so although I have Shapps whose key contribution today was to plagarise from Grayling.
So what happened with the 5pm 1922 committee meeting?
the UK Parliament at odds with the population
the parliament is two years old and was elected for exactly this purpose.
populist lies are constrained by the rule of law.
Jo Johnson did well to get out of the picture when he did.
This is going to get very nasty. Deliberately. In a calculated way.
This is going to get very nasty. Deliberately. In a calculated way.
100% agree
Johnson & Geoffrey Cox behaviour today show that the Tories (cummings) have no interest whatsoever in getting a majority for a deal
Their plan is to divide the nation & use that hatred to win an election
And to hell with the consequences
The mood today reminds me of how utterly toxic it felt back immediately before the 2016 vote (around the time Jo Cox was killed).
Can we vote for the judges in the Supreme Court?
Are they elected by the people?
Does the Supreme Court rule over the Parliament? 😄
Why are the Supreme Court intervening in a political process?
That's possibly one of the most idiotic posts you've ever made, and it's a high bar.
Or trolling of course. It's never quite clear.
Andrea leadsome looked grimfaced after he said it
You've surely got to think, if you've managed to appal Leadsom, you might have gone a bit far.
This is going to get very nasty. Deliberately. In a calculated way.
I just said as much in the Boris thread. He's being deliberately provocative to trick his opposition into making a mistake. Though I wonder (and can only hope) that he may have crossed a line and this might backfire.
I saw someone posting on Twitter about these "unelected" judges.
Wtf?
I asked him if he needed his gp to be elected based on that logic. Mental.
Yet.... The elected MP's are also traitors supposedly, so it's really not abbot democracy and elections.
It's about agree with me or you are traitorous, at the very least biased.
Hardly a new thought here but as Brexit has now become an ideology, how do you defeat that?
We've seen this battle in a misguided religious sense but this is new. In this time period, in this country anyway.
How do you defend against an ideology?
Sanctimony levels rising to critical - Scotty will be on the blower to Kirk soon.
No you're right mefty
our PM should definitely be able to dismiss the murder of Jo Cox as humbug 🙄
Tory membership really have played a blinder picking Johnson, hes managed to condense defeats & mistakes that normally take a PM years to rack up into just 2 months !
mefty
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Sanctimony levels rising to critical – Scotty will be on the blower to Kirk soon.
Not sure of aimed at me but it's totally ok if it is. That's a tame word these days, sanctimony and I can live with it.
Poopscoop
How do you defend against an ideology?
For starters, don't allow foreign billionaires to own your media and drive political policy to their own ends.
Break up media ownership so it's impossible for one group to "own" the message.
our PM should definitely be able to dismiss the murder of Jo Cox as humbug
It wasn’t just about Jo Cox. It was about the threats that MPs are getting now, threats that use the language and ideas used by the man who is currently PM. It was a plea to be more careful about the language he uses, and to consider what it is inciting. That is what he called humbug. He just does not care.
our PM should definitely be able to dismiss the murder of Jo Cox as humbug
He didn't though.
For starters, don’t allow foreign billionaires to own your media and drive political policy to their own ends.
Break up media ownership so it’s impossible for one group to “own” the message
I completely agree, that's how you stop it in the first instance but it's now self propagating via the web. Sure, if the DM etc changed tack that might help but then they just become "traitors" too.
It was a plea to be more careful about the language he uses, and to consider what it is inciting.
Matthew 7:5
mefty
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our PM should definitely be able to dismiss the murder of Jo Cox as humbugHe didn’t though.
What did he dismiss with the humbug comment exactly?
The criticism of his use of the term "Surrender Bill", which should have been Act.
mefty
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The criticism of his use of the term “Surrender Bill”, which should have been Act.
Must try harder- Paula Sherrif correctly said Act.
I don't believe he dismissed Tracy Brabin's comments as humbug, so difficult to see why they are relevant, but I was actually referring to Johnson misspeaking rather than anyone else - albeit he subsequently corrected himself.
EDIT: Oh, you chose to edit your post. Sad.
So....what did he dismiss with that comment?
here you go.
don’t allow foreign billionaires to own your media and drive political policy to their own ends.
Its always entertaining comparing the Scottish Sun to the English one.
Rather a different message today for example.
Front pages today show some interesting spins overall.
Telegraph decided to add to the shite by saying Parliament should stand aside or face a day of reckoning. So after seeing Johnson try to stoke things they decided to join in. Depressing that a once good paper has been destroyed by its current owners.
Emailed my Conservative MP. No idea what his personality and motives are as he is so anonymous (quietly trying to climb the greasy pole) but hopefully it will have some effect.
Emailed my Conservative MP. No idea what his personality and motives are as he is so anonymous (quietly trying to climb the greasy pole) but hopefully it will have some effect.
Cheltenham by any chance?
Decide to let the public decide something they're unlikely to make a reasonable informed decision about.
Give them at least one really stupid option and what do you get?
Boaty McBoatface.
Biased as I am against boris, I only saw the headlines last night and I honestly thought when I had a look this morning, I'd find he'd probably been taken at least a little out of context (the "mefty defence" I think its called?).
Having caught up this morning. **** me he's a waste of organs.
I'd written more but words fail me.
Having caught up this morning. **** me he’s a waste of organs.
That's a bit harsh on mefty.
Is it though? :O)
Tried to paste this from twitter (how people react when someone tries to defend boris) but failed ..
heres a link instead https://twitter.com/cliodiaspora/status/1176982099859058689
Led by donkey's are doing a design competition...
I know there's a few graphic designers on here...
I'm just waiting for the first protestor outside Parliament on the news to demand the resignation of the attorney-general with a huge sign that reads
COX OUT!
^^ Oh God, please!
Remainiacs podcast had a "cox out" moment :O)
I haven't finished it but with robert webb (of mitchell and web) as a guest I'm hoping for a "are we the bad guys" gag. (tho its not as funny as it used to be)
I read on Twitter earlier that Johnson is refusing to go to the HoC today to answer a lot of impertinent questions.
Yes, they are sending the most junior minister they can find. I think he's something like the interim under minster for constitutional affairs or some such nonsense.
EDIT, that well known minster Kevin Foster MP
I read on Twitter earlier that Johnson is refusing to go to the HoC today to answer a lot of impertinent questions.
He walked out earlier to avoid answering questions despite Bercow telling him not to. That's going to end well.
He walked out earlier to avoid answering questions despite Bercow telling him not to. That’s going to end well.
I don't see any problem if PM BoJo refused to comply with Bercow.
What can Bercow do? Expel PM BoJo from HoC for a period of time?
For many PM BoJo is doing the right thing by standing up to Bercow.
Certainly will go down well.
Now HoC is debating about the use of language ... crikey.
p/s: the media has started using the term "Zombie Parliament" I wonder why 😀
For many PM BoJo is doing the right thing by standing up to Bercow.
Certainly will go down well.
This is a interesting point I have noticed on a few of your posts. You are not concerned with MPs abiding by rules, convention, the law but "how well it goes down". It's all about populism, not order or achieving any kind of considered, mediated outcome. Go with the flow of the reactionary opinion no matter what.
Bernard Jenkin suggesting that MPs shouldn't evoke Jo Cox's name when criticising the PM when he's being deliberately inflammatory to other female MPs
They literally have no shame...
FFS!
Don’t engage with the troll.
This is a interesting point I have noticed on a few of your posts.
The interesting thing I have mainly noticed is the massively varying grasp of written English on display. Almost like it is an act...
I don’t see any problem if PM BoJo refused to comply with Bercow.
I must confess in the circumstances me neither.
He's accepts he has no majority. He accepts we need an election ASAP. There's really no point in turning up for a bad tempered shouting match which will change nothing.
Peroration may have been illegal but it did have the advantage of avoiding days of needless verbal bun fighting in the run up to the inevitable election.
Debate's fine if it leads to action, but days of debate for the sake of debate is excruciating.
You are not concerned with MPs abiding by rules, convention, the law
Nor are the opposition parties. They could form a government themselves *today*. They could have an election any time. If MPs fail to abide by the rules the solution is to kick them out of government. Not to force them to remain in government when they accept they shouldn't be and shout at them a bit.
This is a interesting point I have noticed on a few of your posts. You are not concerned with MPs abiding by rules, convention, the law but “how well it goes down”. It’s all about populism, not order or achieving any kind of considered, mediated outcome. Go with the flow of the reactionary opinion no matter what.
Very simple. The only fear a political party or PM gets is from voters Not voting for the party or not lending power to the party.
As I said previously he can do "no wrong" at the moment regardless as PM BoJo is riding high so hammer away while the people are behind him. (as long as he Does Not break his promise but if he does his party is doom)
A high risk strategy so long as the people are supporting ...
Nor are the opposition parties.
In what way is not wanting a GE at the moment not "abiding by rules, convention, the law"?
In what way is not wanting a GE at the moment not “abiding by rules, convention, the law”?
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I mean they're not *concerned*. Or not concerned enough to take the simple steps to immediately remove from office the people who are not abiding by the rules, convention, the law.
PM BoJo is riding high
Last couple of polls (see Britain Elects) would disagree with that assertion.
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 27% (-2) LAB: 24% (-) LDEM: 22% (+4) BREX: 16% (-1) via @Survation25 Sep Chgs. w/ 06 Sep
CON: 27% (-2) LAB: 27% (-) LDEM: 20% (-1) BREX: 17% (+4) via @ComRes, 24 Sep Chgs. w/ 19 Sep
CON: 29% (+1) LAB: 27% (-) LDEM: 21% (+1) BREX: 13% (-) GRN: 5% (-) via @ComRes, 18 - 19 Sep
I think they're concerned enough to not knee-jerk, and wait until the time is right.
Importantly, that also means ensuring that the desired extension is certain, rather than still a vague promise...
Nor are the opposition parties. They could form a government themselves *today*.
Which is exactly what Boris wants and he's been goading them to do it for weeks.
How's the culture war going? Seems like we're not too far away from fisticuffs in parliament and violence outside it. Imagine what it will be like if brexit is cancelled? This is all very depressing, predictable, and probably inevitable. My only question now is how many have to die before everyone comes to their senses?
It's a price worth paying, remember.
My only question now is how many have to die before everyone comes to their senses?
None.
My only question now is how many have to die before everyone comes to their senses?
That all depends on who dies. As long as it's not nice, white, middle-class Tory voters in their leafy suburbs, then however many is neccessary
Yesterday, Survation conducted an online poll of 1007 people aged 18+ in the UK on behalf of the Daily Mail to find out their opinions on the series of Brexit votes that took place in Parliament last week and their views on the future of Brexit.
State of the parties (Change since 18th Feb)
CON: 35% (-5)
LAB: 39% (+3)
LD: 10% (NC)
SNP: 3% (+1)
OTHER: 12% (+1)EU referendum voting intention (Change since 18th Feb)
Leave: 47% (-1)
Remain: 53% (+1)
That all depends on who dies. As long as it’s not nice, white, middle-class Tory voters in their leafy suburbs, then however many is neccessary
Judging by the Brexiteer ranting on my FB this morning, I'd be hiring extra bodyguards if I were Gina Miller...
^^^ I dont think thats survation- ref numbers look right
but not parties
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1177106311554752513
that looks like someone hasnt prompted for lib dems or bxp ltd?
Labour plus minus 63?
Tories wiped out in Scotland
53 SNP seats looks plausible.
100 LibDem seats does not.
I suspect the Conservatives will hold onto more seats (at the expense of the LibDems).
Would not mind being proven wrong though.
that should be -63 for labour
tbf those seat projections always very questionable