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With the recent interference of the verminous race I wonder if BJ and his cohorts are busy studying the terms of the Treaty of Union now.
The last line of this poem published by him* is apt...
The Scotch – what a verminous race!
Canny, pushy, chippy, they’re all over the place,
Battening off us with false bonhomie,
Polluting our stock,
undermining our economy.
Down with sandy hair and knobbly knees!
Suppress the tartan dwarves and the Wee Frees!
Ban the kilt, the skean-dhu and the sporran
As provocatively, offensively foreign!
It’s time Hadrian’s Wall was refortified
To pen them in a ghetto on the other side.
I would go further. The nation
Deserves not merely isolation
But comprehensive extermination.
We must not flinch from a solution.
(I await legal prosecution.)
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.*he's not the author of it.
I’m generally seeing Yellowhammer being either dismissed as highly unlikely, not mentioned at all, or better than what will happen if Brexit is cancelled, civil disturbance etc.
No acknowledgment that the released document is a stitch up.
Is there publicly available data on news outlet readership by location? I’ve noticed that the DM Online seems to have a lot of readers amongst commuters heading into Edinburgh from Fife, but it’s hard to tell if that’s just me catching a glance of something recognisable, or actually a reflection of popularity.
If the Yellowhammer predictions come true, won't it all be because the nasty EU - who hate us anyway - wouldn't be nice to the UK, or because the Remain voters refused to honor the Ref. or because traitorous members of parliament undermined the great British government?
It's been said all along that when Brexit fails to deliver what it promised, it will be everyone's fault except the people who made the false promises.
I’m generally seeing Yellowhammer being either dismissed as highly unlikely
Project fear by all the secret remoaners in government, is what I'm seeing mostly.
Boris (for it was he, I believe) really pulled a blinder with the "project fear" mantra. It's a catch-all answer to instantly dismiss anything they don't like and doesn't require a scrap of justification.
Huh.
Yellowhammer is an anagram of "Orwell mayhem"...
Makes you think
Boris (for it was he, I believe) really pulled a blinder with the “project fear” mantra. It’s a catch-all answer to instantly dismiss anything they don’t like and doesn’t require a scrap of justification.
I think it was coined during the Scottish Indy-ref wasn't it? (Irony)
That yellowhammer summary seems to be making the news a lot. Doesn't seem to be being painted in the best light either.
Of course the fanatics are dismissing it. They're not for turning.
It's the marginal leavers this might convince.
Is the current flavour of opposition tactic now "ref before GE" or the other way around?
epicyclo - exactly. Just 5 ****s toying with the ants.
It’s the marginal leavers this might convince.
TBH I think there were a lot of those. And given the close result we didn't need many to swing public opinion. Which has already been swung:
https://britainelects.com/polling/europe/
I know, polls, but the consistency is significant.
We have an interesting one now... A labour/brexit stronghold - with John Mann stepping down and a new Brexit candidate, we could have battle on our hands here.
I think it was coined during the Scottish Indy-ref wasn’t it? (Irony)
I believe so yes, but it was BJ who first resurrected it for brexit I think.
Meanwhile, Poundland Father Jack isn't happy and it's all our fault.
https://www.ft.com/content/24e1c0be-d5f0-11e9-8367-807ebd53ab77
Oh dear what a shame never mind.
We used to pop in the wetherspoons at the NEC. Not since the vote.
I am The Remain Elite.
I know, polls, but the consistency is significant.
Yes, isn't it?
If only MPs would just get on with respecting the will of the people, or something like that.
We used to pop in the wetherspoons at the NEC. Not since the vote.
Didn't use to mind the one in my local town - always a nice selection of recognisable but not often seen beer (Ruddles County was there for a while), but frankly I would rather die of thirst than set foot in there now.
Pathetic? Maybe, but it gives me little gee up.
Behind paywall but I guess the headline gives the gist.
People are voting with their feet are they?
Yeah, me too. He's been very vocal and reaps what he sows. Not shedding any tears.
I'd imagine profits will nose-dive if he carries out his threat to stock only UK products
I would still use weatherspoons but Arron banks actually bought his company into the argument rather than keep his company neutral. The block is a dick. I hope he get caught for some kind of embezzlement and becomes big Frank's wife in prison.
Behind paywall but I guess the headline gives the gist.
You get (I think) three free FT pages a month. Changing browsers will probably dodge that.
Speaking of Banks,
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1171838817470431234.html
I'm starting to understand how conspiracy theorists must feel.
I’m starting to understand how conspiracy theorists must feel
I feel like this too, but actual evidence seems to just keep coming, unlike the flat earth or area 51...
crispin odey eh?.......i wonder how fast the self satisfied fat **** can run?......
So what struck me today... an old friend/colleague making completely out of character misleading statements. Stuff he patently doesn't believe but is throwing out there.
Yesterday it was all about "then lets have an election NOW when parliament won't support the will of the people" ... and he's not stupid enough to believe Boris won't just change the date... he's just saying it to inflame people.
Someone pointed out we had one.. so having another would be betraying the will of the people but to me it's just sad. He's saying something he doesn't believe simply to support why we should leave.
I imagine he's now a fully paid up member of the "leave now death cult" that appears to taking hold of the nutters, I'm all for them to express their views and beliefs but only if they all carry it through to a natural conclusion and drink from the communal Kool-Aid.
Flavor aid ! (Specifically grape)
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I think it was coined during the Scottish Indy-ref wasn’t it? (Irony)
It was. And interestingly, it was coined by the No campaign to describe their own tactics.
This is what we’re up against. They actually believe this. They can’t see that it’s fake. When people talk about Brexiteer stupidity, this is what they mean
Realised with dread that if we delay or cancel garage and his back turners will still be (failing to) represent this country in Europe. So basically screwed if we crash out screwed by Brexit party stupidity if we don't.
Indeed. All paths lead to a right almighty mess, and a damaged UK… but then some people want that mess… the thing to fight now is people offering a “just get it done” No Deal Brexit narrative because they want to turn the knife, now that it’s pushed right in.
I am The Remain Elite.
I am The Remain Elite and so's my wife.
Just a thought brought to mind by the other thread - but if we want/need to do deals with both the EU and the US, they have widely differing standards so we will have to choose...
Just a thought brought to mind by the other thread – but if we want/need to do deals with both the EU and the US, they have widely differing standards so we will have to choose…
That's always been the case, take food standards for example, the UK/EU has far higher standards so if we bring in yank food, we'll basically void any food trade deals with the EU, hence border issues, and the double financial whammy of putting all our domestic farmers out of business due to cheap low quality products from the USA.
Nice.
French or American cheese. Let me think it over. Cant quite decide. Do I want Reblochon on my sandwich or luminous squirty "cheese" from a can??
Who will buy our cheese?
@raybanwomble and everyone really.
Been reading the quotes above from The True Believer.
It is genuinely frightening, frightening. It's as if it's a current commentary on what is actually happening in the country.
Sent a chill up my spine.
Who will buy our cheese?
No one. The USA is happy with with their own squirty liquid cheese.
The EU won't buy our cheese once we deregulate.
Who will buy our cheese?
It seems 83% of UK cheese exports are to the EU. The US is the largest export market outside that taking £13m pounds worth of cheese from us in the first quarter of 2019. China accounted for a whopping £2.5m of cheese exports in the first quarter of 2019. You could almost pay for a visitor centre at Wensleydale for that.
whats the entire market worth? you've quoted EU numbers in percent, and the others in pounds. i'm guessing the EU value is a some more lots twelfty substantially more than the other markets?
And interestingly, it was coined by the No campaign to describe their own tactics.
I have a feeling they were taking the piss when they said that. The arguments were largely similar to those against leaving the EU with the big issue being that of a hard border had one side not been in the EU. Of course the side may have changed but the point hasn't. All dismissed out of hand, sunny Highlands etc.
I can only hope that should a second Indyref come round some stark lessons about realism and honesty have been learned from this farce.
whats the entire market worth? you’ve quoted EU numbers in percent, and the others in pounds. i’m guessing the EU value is a some more lots twelfty substantially more than the other markets?
The site says EU market for cheese export is £146m of a total of approx £175m (using my sums of percentages). The thing is it shows how lagging in quantity our exports are outside the EU. The Brexiteers talk up the prospects of other markets, but can they really match up to the export market the EU provides not just for cheese? I cant see the rest of the world stepping up to the plate to take on our current exports if we get no deal with the EU.
Dairy is a funny one though, lots of protectionism in North America, in Canada the plasticine they call cheese is extremely expensive
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Dairy is a funny one though, lots of protectionism in North America, in Canada the plasticine they call cheese is extremely expensive
I was also reading with regard to travel distances/times in relation to pasturised and unpasturised products and the potential effect upon public health.
^^ Sorry going ot here... But isn't the "odd" taste of Hershey chocolate something to do with a certain ingredient having to be added/process changed or such due to the distance the milk has to travel to the factories etc. in the US?
Sorry, too lazy to Google.
All I know is it tastes like cack.
So, who will buy our cheese?
So, who will buy our cheese?
Us I suppose. Cheddar based menu options at Wetherspoons.
The US cheese industry has come a long way in recent years, especially with a recent overseas supreme champion at the international cheese awards in nantwich. To call it liquid plastic etc is disingenuous and unfair to some US producers of quality product. Theres plenty of substandard product produced in the UK and Europe too. Worrying times for us at the moment. Most of the trading earlier in the year will have been stockpiling, but as a whole were fast running out of storage space. We increased our purchase of commodity dairy (mild cheddar, butter) considerably to accommodate for any shortages. We can keep and control its maturation for a good period if time. Not all producers have the envious luxury of lots of storage space. FWIW I wouldn't put Reblochon on a butty 😉
FYI I have 15 years experience in import, export, trading and grading cheese.
The big problem we also have at the moment is a shift in consumer demand away from traditional territorial such as cheddar, lancashire, comte to soft cheese with a much shorter shelf life, leading to prolonged storage issues. Unlike hard cheese.
We're also lucky that we're pasture to plate and have out own supply chain, water supply, electricity generation, waste disposal etc. As we rely on as few contractors as possible. Not many others in such a fortunate position.
The problem with commodity cheese such as cheddar is its controlled by EU and worldwide market prices rather than just UK, so even if we made it all ourselves in the UK price will still be affected. Same for lamb supplied into M & S as I've been told by 1 local Bowland farmer.
So, who will buy our cheese?
I'll do my best, but can't promise to manage all of the excess.
The site says EU market for cheese export is £146m of a total of approx £175m (using my sums of percentages). The thing is it shows how lagging in quantity our exports are outside the EU
I also know that a lot of our exports to the EU, then go outside the EU, to the far east, US etc. As I've had to arrange the veterinary certificates for the receiving country. We don't handle the export ourselves due to the quantities involved. The orders are consolidated with more product from an EU Wholesaler or manufacturer or broker.
Dairy is a funny one though, lots of protectionism in North America, in Canada the plasticine they call cheese is extremely expensive
It's not all about protectionism, due to the shelf life on the products that they would like it's not always viable, hard cheese isn't a problem, soft cheese on the other hand has a much shorter shelf life and doesn't travel well, particularly over long distances on long journeys. Raw milk cheese in the US for example has to be aged for at least 60 days before it can be sold which rules out a good deal of our smaller producers for example. 60 day old up brie or camembert (even british stuff) can be a bit grim, not only that it's high risk being soft cheese let alone raw milk. The aw is too high to control pathogens unlike a hard cheddar type for example.
So distance matters when it comes to exporting/importing some dairy products still? We can’t just swap a huge trading block on our doorstep for other disparate and distant counties, at volume?
The US cheese industry has come a long way in recent years, especially with a recent overseas supreme champion at the international cheese awards in nantwich.
The issue isn't that they can't produce good cheese, it's that most people don't buy it cos it's expensive and their normal expectations of cheese don't extend beyond a slimy orange square. If something in a restaurant includes cheese it's usually just that.
But that's off topic!
This is what we’re up against. They actually believe this.
What's the story behind that? I mean, the narrative is obviously bollocks, but if that stuff is actually on shelves somewhere...? Is it supposed to be a joke / novelty shop or some such?
What’s the story behind that? I mean, the narrative is obviously bollocks, but if that stuff is actually on shelves somewhere…? Is it supposed to be a joke / novelty shop or some such?
If you Google "Hitler wine" it seems like there is an Italian wine maker that makes these bottles with the Hitler labels.
Which ties up with the video because it's clearly not it Belgium and has a German voice over saying something like "let's see what's in this Italian supermarket"
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What’s the story behind that? I mean, the narrative is obviously bollocks, but if that stuff is actually on shelves somewhere…? Is it supposed to be a joke / novelty shop or some such?If you Google “Hitler wine” it seems like there is an Italian wine maker that makes these bottles with the Hitler labels.
Which ties up with the video because it’s clearly not it Belgium and has a German voice over saying something like “let’s see what’s in this Italian supermarket”
Someone bought my mum a bottle of Fuhrer wine years ago and I've now inherited it!
It's been available for years, doubt it's very nice, just a weird, distasteful novelty!
Surely no one would watch that video and believe it to be anything more than tacky novelty wine!!?
We bought one of our very efficient staff a Mussolini apron when we were in Rome.
Cheese is like fish, a detail. No deal means losing the banking passport as I understand it. Now you're talking about several percentage points of GDP loss.
In full ironic glory the liar who posted the video of a supermarket in Italy selling questionable Italian product, in a Brexit supporters group, is apparently enjoying the benefits of freedom of movement to live and work in Spain.
Thick.
Well, I never saw this coming.
(And in completely coincidental and totally unrelated news, he's about to publish a book.)
Unfortunately 'sorry' doesn't really cut it for me...
Having said that hopefully his book launch will damage Gove and Bojo although revealing that they are lying bastards doesn't seem to be much of a revelation and their supporters don't seem bothered. 'Ends justifies the means' and all that.
I'm not convinced it's an election winner, but the Lib Dem revoke policy will win them my vote.
BBC News - Liberal Democrat party to consider scrapping Brexit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49698800
To be fair, that's always been the lib dem aim, they may settle for for a ref2, but the narrative has always been clear, it's with a view to stop brexit.
At least one major party is transparent on thier intentions.
Actually the lib dems keep on changing their position - and this is stupid posturing that makes it harder to get a unified front against no deal.
More stupidity from Swinson - the dunning kruger is strong in this one
Actually the lib dems keep on changing their position – and this is stupid posturing that makes it harder to get a unified front against no deal.
More stupidity from Swinson – the dunning kruger is strong in this one
Not sure how you came to that conclusion, they've always been vocaly anti brexit.
Thier slogan is 'bollocks to brexit" for gods sake lol..
Perhaps you should look at the Labour Party for better examples of empty posturing, fence sitting and changes of stance?
The LibDem members have already voted once before at conference to stop Brexit (rather than just keep a referendum on the table, and get a different Brexit, or whatever) so I’m pretty sure she’s pushing against an open door. Of course their position will be squashed to a compromise of holding a referendum, as they will not got a majority… but, standing on this policy, they could then use their share of the vote to argue for that to be ASAP, rather than more can kicking while a new government tries to chase fresh unicorns…
Anyway, good to see Paul Mason making the case for Labour to let members push past the Corbyn/Unions position recently cooked up… check out his Twitter feed… I won’t clog the this thread up with a load of cut’n’paste here…
A link to the post / account you're referencing might be helpful though?
The lib dems have also lost some members by accepting exiled tory and Labour racists and sexists into membership.
a few key LBGT members have quit the party because of Jo Swinsons more centrist than Liberal stance.
And, as covered elsewhere, there's a LibDem/Tory pact being considered in Scotland on a "stop the SNP" ticket.
I'm guessing that Swinson isn't volunteering to step aside for her Tory rival.
A link to the post…
https://twitter.com/paulmasonnews/status/1172523304101527554?s=21
In his Twitter feed you’ll also find lots of the LibDem/Tory pact nonsense (he’s Labour to his core don’t forget). I wonder why the Scottish Tories, about to be wiped out at the next election, would want to be briefing the press in a way that damages the LibDems… who stand to do well from the “unionist but not bonkers anti Europe” vote that is still so strong in Scotland…?
And, as covered elsewhere, there’s a LibDem/Tory pact being considered in Scotland on a “stop the SNP” ticket.
Which, given their incompatible stances on Brexit sounds like bull of the highest order.
Given we had a labour / tory anti snp non aggression pact at the last general election that resulted in a dozen tory seats that kept the tories in government?
The sight of labour activists cheering tory wins was disgusting
There is also the labour party grouping - not corbynits by any means - led by Kinnoch that want Mays deal and are actively seeking a cross party deal with the tories on this.
Its not corbyn and the left thats the issue in labour its the labour right wing again with wrecking tactics
The problem with labour and the Conservatives is that they have internal wars going on that the general public isn't nessesarily aware of.
They need to consolidate or form new parties.. Otherwise the general public has no idea what they are voting for..
Its not corbyn and the left thats the issue in labour its the labour right wing again with wrecking tactics
Well, that group are right wing as in they conflate standing up for their working class voters with being anti-immigrant… but in other areas many are pretty left wing. Anyway, there are several in there I could never vote for, even if it meant them being beaten by a Conservative. Some have got very vitriolic about migrants recently, and anyone who seeks to stand up for them. Flint being one of the worst.
The Labour Party paradox.
We want socialism, but our socialism! We demand complete authoritarianism on the socialism!
On our terms! Anyone who doesn't like our authotiarian dictatorship isn't a true socialist!
I do wonder if toxic grandad actualy believes Brexit will be good for the UK workforce? Surely a Labour leader would want to keep / increase the amount of workers in full time paid employment , with more in unions . When all the indicators show a post brexit slump or full blown recession , riots, shortages , price increases which affect the low paid alot more , and increases their indirect tax burden .
Why not just stand up , be a leader and do something leader -ish . Something along the lines of saving us from ourselves.
"" Look Guys I know you voted leave, but you would all vote for a 2 day working week and a 5 day weekend in a referendum, or make every friday a Bank Holiday if it was up for votes. We cant have this guys , the economy will collapse, and as for the referendum suggesting a month off for xmas , I know you all voted for it but if we lose 7% of GDP the country wil be destroyed and you will be entering agreat 10 year recession, just leave it to us elected folks to get on trying to out best to keep you all employed and petrol in the pumps and food on the shelves. Thanks ""
Or get fit those bicycle clips and cycle off to your allotment on your really rubbish Dawes bike witha gel saddle and trim those runner beans, whistling the Great Escape, which I think he does after PMQ's most days
Or he could try to assemble a cross party consensus to stop no deal. accept a lot of compromises in doing so and struggle to hold his badly split party together - so badly split one side wants to revoke a50 while another group wants mays deal and a few want no deal. More than half his MPs are at odds with party policy ie want to leave with mays deal or no deal or want to revoke 150
Idiots the lot of them.
Corbyn's problem is the Blair years means half his party is Tory-lite.
Maybe they really need Vitriolic Great-Granddad...
But being Scottish, I'm enjoying watching the disintegration of the empire parties.
I did find it interesting that the no deal action of instantly dropping import tariffs to zero on Petrol made the U.K. refineries non-viable.
Looks like a bit of an oversight that one.