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Court rules prorogation illegal.
Court rules prorogation illegal.
Think it goes for a final appeal to the Supreme court.
Yet another Boris defeat?
Looking good for even more chaos, an English court refers to higher court, the Scottish court says illegal, isn't there also case in NI or Wales??
Going to be messy if different courts start coming up with different results. I can see this being swung in favour of SNP, a Scottish court over-ruled by an English Court....
What's the chances of the closure being over before the court cases are settled?
isn’t there also case in NI or Wales??
There was a case in NI. Not sure what has happened to that though.
The "English" one is England and Wales.
The supreme court has already scheduled an emergency hearing on both the Scottish and English cases for 17 September, alongside a third challenge brought in the courts in Belfast.
Three cases for the same thing, so I guess at least one will be heard for appeal
Dom's not going to be happy
When are the government releasing all the Yellowhammer and proroguing comms as required by Grieve's motion? It would be embarrassing if those are not totally in accordance with the evidence presented in court.
SNP and Labour now asking for recall of Parliament !
Daily Mail comments are gold. Absolutely apoplectic with rage at a SCOTS court making this ruling.
GIRFUY😎
wonder if they can refer to the ECJ for appeal?
**** the daily mail and all who sails in her.
Twitter is the same. The gammons have gone into absolute meltdown
A constitutional legal expert on Five Live now is saying that the speaker can now legally order to recall the house of commons. Given that it's John Bercow and that he clearly gives less of a **** now than he ever has, that would be absolutely bloody brilliant!! 😀
Daily Mail comments are gold. Absolutely apoplectic with rage at a SCOTS court making this ruling.
ITS BEAN APPROVD BY ARE MAJESTY NO TRAYTOR SCOTCH JUGES ARE ABOVE HRH GOD BLISS THE QUEEN
I thought that BJ ruled out the NI only backstop last night?
In other news the Unions have convinced Labour not to back Remain in the GE.
the Unions
The unions or the leadership of Unison?
Len and Seamus. Nobody else's opinion is of any relevance here.
It's quite obvious by now that they're pushing at an open door though. Corbyn will never campaign for remain, no matter what the MP's, members or voters think.
The best that can be hoped for is essentially a free vote where MPs get to campaign for what they personally believe in
So that'll be him and Kate Hoey on one side and the rest of the Labour party on the other.
A question for the regulars in here- do you in general now expect that we'll be leaving the EU in some way unless there's a rerun of the referendum ie all roads lead to Brexit except for a referendum?
He's still in for getting a deal AND THEN remain/red-deal referendum, no?
So, what of the sacked Tory rebels, where do they go come election time?
do you in general now expect that we’ll be leaving the EU
Yes
It's the law....until MP's change it not to be the law anymore.
I’ve given up expecting anything really.
Except perhaps more stupidity, cakism and chaos.
do you in general now expect that we’ll be leaving the EU in some way unless there’s a rerun of the referendum ie all roads lead to Brexit except for a referendum?
In my worthless opinion yes. Best to hope for as close a ties as possible.
It’s the law….until MP’s change it not to be the law anymore.
You put your left law in, your left law out...
I think parliament will never agree on a deal, it's stuck in never-ending negotiation limbo and only another referendum will solve it. a clear majority for one party isn't happening
do you in general now expect that we’ll be leaving the EU in some way unless there’s a rerun of the referendum ie all roads lead to Brexit except for a referendum
Yes, one way or another.
I then find myself almost hoping the the ensuing disaster is so monumental that we quickly ask to be accepted back, even with the vastly reduced privileges that we'll inevitably get.
Edit: this makes me sad and angry in almost equal measure, btw
I have always thought that the Withdrawal Agreement will pass one way or the other, once all the political posturing is over. Now that Blojo seems happy to defecate on the DUP (that's a long queue) it seems even more likely. And now that we have had a taste of how things can go in a tinpot dictatorship where the leader believes himself above the law - and this is just the start.
& No reason for Labour to back it as they’ve forced Johnson to extend, so if he doesn’t, it’s on Johnson
Don’t be so sure, Caroline Fleet, Kinnock and their band of merry ****tards want to bring back Mays deal. They say they have the support of 50 mps now.
I don’t see the WA passing before an election now. Johnson has made the 31st of October personal… so it will be used as a way to try and neuter him now… even Labour MPs looking for us to Leave won’t want to be seen to be saving Johnson. The WA, with changes as regards NI, will probably still happen… but only after a general election… which could also mean a referendum… but it’s unlikely… however logical the “give the public the final say, as we’re doing this on their instruction” position is. The chances of a No Deal exit are now much lower than they’ve been for a while… thanks to a brief and rare period of many politicians working together in the interests of us all.
Nothing will pass before a general election.
Then? I think Boris and the ERG are already cooking up going into an general election with a pre-election pact with Farage in place on a promise to an all or nothing/do or die/come what may no-deal Brexit
God knows what happens then? If we think we've got a fractured and broken political system already, the present could be looking positively calm compared with what's to come as things get even more polarised
I have always thought that the Withdrawal Agreement will pass one way or the other
See my prediction a few pages back. Given that labour have now nailed their colours to the 2nd ref/remain mast, despite the best efforts of the unions, this creates huge danger. If a deal passes, Johnson wins the election. This was always the risk of labour going full-on remain. If the WA does pass and we leave on the 31st October, labour's only hope will be the ERG leaving the tory party and subsequently the Brexit party taking huge numbers of of votes off Johnson. Labour's only hope is probably any deal failing and an extension being agreed by the EU.
Worst case scenario is that we end up with a tory-brexit party coalition with Boris as PM and Farage as chancellor. Just imagine that for a second!
Of course, the government can put a WA to parliament, who can then insist on a referendum to accept it. It kills the “October 31st” rallying cry for Johnson… so works in Labour’s favour… and fits their narrative of both stopping No Deal and offering a Referendum… they could back that… well many MPs could.
I think the Brexit party ltd should always be referred to by the full name, i.e including the ltd to remind people they are not a party it a company.
DUP will rail against that (that’s a billion well spent, I assume no refunds) – the question is whether there are enough hardline loyalists that would see it as a call to action again, as this could easily be spun as the first step towards a united ireland. It could be just as much a threat to the GFA as a return to an inland border.
There is a feeling that the 'backstop' will end up being repackaged and renamed with some superficial changes. WHatever the DUP stance may be, most business owners, farmers etc. in Northern Ireland, regardless of community background, would prefer some kind of deal than a crash-out so I'm not sure if the DUP being sidelined would cause a revolt to the same extent of the reimposition of a border
breakdown of polling on backstop in NI by party
https://twitter.com/LucidTalk/status/1171741991555731458
No 10 is denying that they'll work with Farage. Which given their track record probably means they're about to.
See my prediction a few pages back. Given that labour have now nailed their colours to the 2nd ref/remain mast, despite the best efforts of the unions, this creates huge danger. If a deal passes, Johnson wins the election. This was always the risk of labour going full-on remain. If the WA does pass and we leave on the 31st October, labour’s only hope will be the ERG leaving the tory party and subsequently the Brexit party taking huge numbers of of votes off Johnson. Labour’s only hope is probably any deal failing and an extension being agreed by the EU.
Had Labour been remain from the outset then they wouldn’t be in this position, article 50 would have not been triggered too early, we might have had a second referendum already etc etc.
It is labour dithering that has or will enable a Tory brexit. You forget that labour are being destroyed in the polls not because they have gone remain, but because they didn’t go remain hard enough.
A question for the regulars in here- do you in general now expect that we’ll be leaving the EU in some way unless there’s a rerun of the referendum ie all roads lead to Brexit except for a referendum?
Yeah, the only Party who will revoke unequivocally is the Lib Dems and they're not going to win the next election. Even if they (as likely will) form part of a coalition they won't have enough flex to force it.
The Tories will send us all the hell in a handcart before backing away from Brexit, they're dead if they do, the only way that will change is if Yellowhammer is so damming that even the most rabid Leaver thinks they've been lied to, BJ resigns and power goes back to the Remainer Tories. this won't happen though. The really stupid ones only think what the papers tell them to think and the clever ones already know the truth and are in on the swindle.
Labour is well in recent weeks, 'The Party of Remain' then they were the 'Party of a 2nd Ref with Remain on the ballot' now they're 'the Party of we'll come up with our own Deal to Leave and we'll put it up against Remain'.
I am NOT a fan of Corbyn, I don't believe Socialism is fair, nor does it work, but I also believe that revoking A50 without a huge swing in public opinion could be worse than a no-deal Brexit. We would only prove the Brexit Party right, the Tories will go further to the right and as the papers spew more and more BS about the EU it will tear the country apart even more than it is now.
For me a 2nd, fact based, real deal v current deal referendum is the only way out of this mess, and I'd be leaning heavily on the press complaints commission and the electoral commission to ensure fairness. You can't have HM Treasury tweeting about the return of 'good old Duty Free' after Brexit without also saying how badly our currency would suffer thus making it worse over all.
Of course, as Parliament has control of the house and a Majority at the moment, they could table for a 2nd ref now, but they haven't. Well, once they're back in session anyway, whenever that might be.
but because they didn’t go remain hard enough.
agreed, Labour lost 3 voters to lib dems for every 1 they lost to bxp ltd in euros
Johnson has been able to reclaim votes from farage with his clear brexit stance
Corbyn been unable to win them back from lib dems (tho in a GEn I think many remainers will vote tactically & go labour if necessary, but a lot of trust has been blown)
It's possible that a 2nd ref motion will be tabled late October, and possible it will pass. The public might not be receptive to the idea but Parliament are acutely aware of how badly this is ****ing things up and that we are essentially in stalemate.
P-Jay - why don't you think socialism is fair?
but because they didn’t go remain hard enough.
Had they done that the labour party would have split and instead of a united opposition confronting a minority govt, we'd have the opposite and Boris or May would have had a free run. Without the labour leadership's careful party management in order to keep the two sides of labour from killing each other, we'd already be out. The fact that remain is still a possibility is a direct result of labour's policy and the refusal of the leadership to go all out for remain.
P-Jay – why don’t you think socialism is fair?
we’d already be out
How?
I trust we're all joining in with Boris on Facebook at 5 pm today for the "People's PMQ's"
I'm sure it won't be, in any way, loaded with preselected punters asking preapproved questions......
How?
Because if labour had split, there's a high chance that May's deal would have got through. The only reason it didn't was because labour MPs were whipped to oppose it and were pretty much united in opposition to it.
I’m sure it won’t be, in any way, loaded with preselected punters asking preapproved questions
Last time didnt even allow the preselected punters bit. He just read their questions (terms and conditions apply. Punter may or may not actually exist) out and then answered them.
Too dangerous to actually risk speaking with them directly otherwise could end up with Nicholas Beluga switched from a nice comment about free schools or something to asking about likelihood of Scottish independence post brexit.
Because if labour had split, there’s a high chance that May’s deal would have got through. The only reason it didn’t was because labour MPs were whipped to oppose it and were pretty much united in opposition to it
You can’t say with any certainty that the backbenchers would have flouted a three line whip to the extent of allowing Mays bill to pass. And if they had, they would just be in the same position as they are now - which makes labour strategy pointless. What is certain, is that labours dithering since has hurt them and that continuing to listen to labour leave backbenchers is hurting them more than it is helping them.
Labours position now is a consequence of their short sighted decision to whip for A50 and then whip against May, voters currently want strong sound bites and messages Not badly thought out, fickle grand strategy and they saw through Corbyns strategy for the cynical self interested posturing that it was.
I don't know this company, but I just spotted this on Facebook.
THE LAST POST
We regret to inform you that Isle of Skye Chocolate has now closed permanently.
For the past 3 years, ever since the UK voted to leave the EU, we have been "on hold" as far as investment in the business is concerned, due to the UK's uncertain economic future. Our raw material prices have increased by around 30% in that time, mainly due to the fall in the value of the pound against the euro. Being outside the EU single market and common customs tariffs will lead to tariffs of between 10% and 20% being imposed on chocolate from the EU (our chocolate comes from Belgium).
No matter what happens in the future regarding brexit, irreparable damage has been done to our small business. We are not a large producer of chocolate like Cadbury's, but operate at the luxury end of the market with the highest quality ingredients. We are unable to run a profitable business in these trying conditions and so have reluctantly taken the decision to close our doors permanently.
We thank all of our customers and suppliers for their loyalty and support over the past few years.
The Apprentice will continue to make her cakes part-time and will continue to post on Skye Celebration Cakes. If you would like to follow her on that page it would give her a wee boost.
Thank you all again.
"Price worth paying," I expect. Sigh.
Our forum chocolatier @zippykona will be along in a bit asking the same questions he has been asking for three years… and they won’t be surprised in the slightest by that news.
It is labour dithering that has or will enable a Tory brexit. You forget that labour are being destroyed in the polls not because they have gone remain, but because they didn’t go remain hard enough.
Agreed, and also maybe they are being destroyed in the polls, or rather they are slowly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory because they didnt really do anything. That and Corbyn is still an electoral liability
Again from Facebook:
Kerry McCarthy
As you may well have heard, this morning the highest court in Scotland ruled that the 5 week prorogation of Parliament by Boris Johnson was illegal, and void. The wording of the judgment is damning. Lord Carloway said that prorogation would be unlawful if “its purpose was to stymie parliamentary scrutiny of the executive, which was a central pillar of the good governance principle enshrined in the constitution”; all three judges decided that it was. Lord Brodie said that attempting to frustrate parliament in this way was “an egregious case of a clear failure to comply with generally accepted standards of behaviour of public authorities”. And Lord Drummon Young said that “the only inference that could be drawn was that the UK Government and the Prime Minister wished to restrict Parliament."
I am proud to be one of the MPs who put their name to this application. Parliament should be sitting at this time of national crisis. Today I joined a cross-party group of MPs outside Parliament, calling for Parliament to return.
(Followed by loads of brexies arguing that it's only unlawful and not illegal...)
(I wonder idly whether if it goes to the Supreme Court and gets the same result, the leavers will want it to go to Europe...)
It's about now that we need a referendum on Scottish Independence - all voting to take place in England.
(I wonder idly whether if it goes to the Supreme Court and gets the same result, the leavers will want it to go to Europe…)
The leaders will, they NEED Brexit to happen and, cynical bastards that they are, don’t give a shit how it happens.
The stupid sheep that follow won’t even notice the irony and hypocrisy.
The unbridled hatred for Scotland daring to have the temerity to get involved above their station is just splendid. We should know our place!
Union of equals my arse. Independence can't come quick enough.
A few dickheads on facebook doesn't make for pure unbridled hatred.
Any more than some of comments from Scots about the English. Please don't buy into it.
That kind of divisiveness is EXACTLY what Cummings and his ilk are aiming for.
Personally I'm loving the thought of how the quitlings are reconciling their anointed one lying to the Queen 🙂
Can someone please enlighten me as to why the unions / mcCluckclucky are so against the EU? Surely they should be pro EU as a backstop (s****) for workers rights??
Nick
Because Len McCluskey is a dinosaur.
Beautifully reasoned.
Yes he is a dinosaur but I can't find his public protestations as to why we need to leave.
and
the yellowhammer has landed.
but I can’t find his public protestations as to why we need to leave.
difficult to re-nationalise utilities and industries while in the EU
Yellow hammer is a 5 page document?
difficult to re-nationalise utilities and industries while in the EU
Somewhere around 0% chance if it happening outside the EU
mmm, so what is in the redacted part of that pdf?
Yellow hammer is a 5 page document?
Good to see it seems to be photocopied. I assume to try and hide any awkward metadata and makes it difficult to search.
I want to see that blanked out paragraph. I cant see NI mentioned anywhere (although see search difficulties) so reckon thats it and they aint too optimistic its going to go well there.
Bloody hell, that makes for bleak reading. Should be handed out to all those who voted leave.
I imagine the doc was scanned to prevent a manafprt style release where you could just unhide the redaction
From listening to leave voters, that’ll not bother them much.
Can they read? More seriously, dogmatically they couldn't believe it and would claim project fear
It’ll be dismissed as an extreme worst case scenario. At best! A bit of belt tightening will do us good, short term pain etc etc.
So the government wrote its own Project Fear manifesto 😉
At least watching the inhabitants of Thurrock killing each other for the last Krispy Kreme at Tesco’s will be entertaining.
It’ll be dismissed as an extreme worst case scenario. At best! A bit of belt tightening will do us good, short term pain etc etc.
Which just goes to show what an amazing con job has been done. We've gone from:
we hold all the cards
there are no negatives, only positives
taking back control
sovereignity
£350million a week for the NHS
to delays, rising costs and fuel/food/medicine shortages. And no-one (well, none of the Leavers) seem upset or annoyed by this...
It's like finding out you've been conned out of your entire life savings and rather than being furious with yourself for falling for it and the scammer for conning you, you're just going "oh well, I hope the scammer has a nice time with the money"
Scotland should just start making lots more shit illegal.
Mentioning the 1966 World Cup should land you a ten stretch for starters
Summary, for those who CBA to read a five page document (commentary in brackets):
People and businesses in the UK aren't prepared. The EU27 is.
The impact to the EU would be negative in "a small number of cases" (they need us more than etc etc...)
Protests across UK expected.
Low income groups disproportionately affected.
Agri-food hardest hit. Fresh food supply will decrease. (And Christmas is a-coming.)
Medicine shortages could last 6 months. Veterinary supply shortages could exacerbate epidemics.
Kent gridlocked. Lorries will be waiting to cross the Channel for two days.
Fuel disrupted, especially in London / SE.
Financial services disrupted.
If there's water cleaning chemical supply chain disruption it will now only likely affect hundreds of thousands of people (!)
Data flow from the EU stops. Rectifying "could take years." (This is Really Bad.)
No more EHIC. (Get sick on holiday, best have your credit card to hand.)
Gibraltar (anyone remember them?) is basically ****ed.
Trade in Ireland severely disrupted and the "no backstop" notion unsustainable beyond a few days or weeks. Rise in illegal trading, job losses, protests.
Nearly 300 non-UK fishing vessels poised to rock up on day one and stripmine our waters. (Which is just weapons-grade ironic given how much time we've spent in the last three years papping on about fish like it's important to more than about ten people). Smuggling, people trafficking.
Adult social care will be screwed, but then it's screwed to start with.
(Sunny uplands, anyone?)
mmm, so what is in the redacted part of that pdf?
Source pending verification so pinch of salt but,
15. Facing EU tariffs makes petrol exports to the EU uncompetitive. Industry had plans to mitigate the impact on refinery margins and profitability but UK Government policy to set petrol import tariffs at 0% inadvertently undermines these plans. This leads to significant financial losses and announcement of two refinery closures (and transition to import terminals) and direct job losses (about 2000). Resulting strike action at refineries would lead to disruptions to fuel availability for 1-2 weeks in the regions directly supplied by the refineries."
The Sunday Times reporter who got the leaked copy several weeks back has been doing a compare.
Apparently the difference is
drumroll.
The title and the redacted paragraph.
The missing paragraph is:
"15. Facing EU tariffs makes petrol exports to the EU uncompetitive. Industry had plans to mitigate the impact on refinery margins and profitability but UK Government policy to set petrol import tariffs at 0% inadvertently undermines these plans.
This leads to significant financial losses and announcement of two refinery closures (and transition to import terminals) and direct job losses (about 2000).
Resulting strike action at refineries would lead to disruptions to fuel availability for 1-2 weeks in the regions directly supplied by the refineries." (3/3)
Oh and its also worth remembering when the Sunday Times reported it initially you had a bunch of tories, including Gove claiming it was an outdated document. Looked a bit stupid when it was shown it was a couple of weeks old but now he looks even more of a lying arsehole since it wasnt even updated inbetween.