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Bercow has called “division” on the bill for a general election, quite a lively debate tnight
On a lighter note, is it just me or does it look like Boris is thinning a bit on top??
On an even lighter note, do you think he's changed from his school days..?
It's so broken it's not even properly broken, it's more like it's pre-broken.
It's like, this is how things didn't work in the past.
But now, and worse.
I wish the BBC presenters/analysts/mouth-pieces would stop spending so much time outside the Houses of Parliament where it's just one big distraction with the fog-horn sounding muppets shouting something indecipherable in the background. FFS you don't need to be there for us to realise you're talking about political stuff...
They are building an inside space (shared by all major broadcasters) to use, so it won’t happen for much longer.
Anyway, something sensible happened yesterday…
https://twitter.com/sagal_aw/status/1171133788614795265?s=21
LibDems going full revokw A50 as GE policy. Clearly they are free to pursue any policy they like but this is more likely to take votes from Lab rather than Tories - so from a purely selfish remain/kick out the Tories perspective may be counter productive. Certainly kills ideas of electoral pacts between Lab and LibDem
https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/1171169901198872576?s=09
^ I agree with you from a tactical perspective.... but it's nice for 48% of the country to have somebody to vote for 🙂
edit: and obviously any of the 52% who have since changed their minds
edit: and obviously any of the 52% who have since changed their minds
Plus those that didn't bother at referendum time.
but this is more likely to take votes from Lab rather than Tories
I am not so sure, while the while the blue rinse little englander fake patriotism brigade might be currently in charge of the torry party, there are others who are pro business who can see the damage brexit is causing and will switch allegiance to stop the damage. There is a lot of votes in stopping pandering to the rhetoric of the brexit loons.
I hope so MSP. It does also provide a clear identity for LDs away from Labour especially as this will be the main positive policy selling point for LDs as opposed to just not being Boris or Corbyn
Plus those that didn’t bother at referendum time.
Plus all voters born this century.
Rory Stewart previously said that he would set up Parliament across the road .
Any news on that?
... but LDs not going to get a majority or be biggest party in a minority Govt...
Whilst I doubt Johnson would want to be the one responsible for the destruction of the union or the tory party as it would look a bit shit in the history books
You give him the credit of wanting to look "good" in the history books.
But I think he just wants to be in them full stop and if it means being the man who broke the tory party or indeed britain he will not care. He wants to be writ as large as he can possibly be.
He loves the classics right? I bet he sees himself as Achilles.... should he lead an uneventful but long life or go down in history and die young..... that's all very well but it might not just be him dying young aye??
Parliament suspended eh. A country in crisis and the most newsworthy announcement we can expect is thirteen speed!:
https://singletrackworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/top-10-tech-randoms-eurobike-2019/
Crikey, being a northerner I might just change my mind about wanting to remain now that I can nab a load of duty free on my way back from Toremolinos.
Unsurprising, they'll probably need an incentive to get people to visit airports when there's no planes.
there are others who are pro business who can see the damage brexit is causing and will switch allegiance to stop the damage.
They'll have my vote. My view has changed from a remain voter believing the referendum should be honoured, to believeing no sensible leave deal can ever be found and agreed by parliament. It's time to bite the bullet and dump brexit altogether. Hopefully most Brexit voters will get their heads around it at some point.
Rory Stewart previously said that he would set up Parliament across the road .
Any news on that?
Same as Boris lying in front of bulldozers - talk for media coverage, no actual principles involved.
I have a bit of a problem with that latest LD proposal. It sounds like it could become Jo Swinson's student fees promise - and I say that as a LD supporter who wants A50 revoked.
I still think tactical voting is the way to go. LDs will never be big enough to get a revoke A50 majority in Parly.
I still see the only way to remain through a 2nd ref and the only way to do that is too win enough seats off the Tories across Lab, LD, SNP etc.
There was a lot of talk yesterday of Johnson going for a majority based on 1/3 share of vote with votes spread across other parties. This is a real concern to me from a remain/kick out the Tories perspective
On a side point it would be much more useful to see the breakdown of likely seats in Parly based on polling rather than just precentage split of national vote, that really makes Brexit and LDs look stronger than they are.
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The cheering will stop when people realise how little they can actually bring in.
https://www.gov.uk/duty-free-goods/arrivals-from-outside-the-eu
Any news on that?
Back in July, Parliament forced the government to allow the house to sit in September. Then, with the announcement that it would only sit for a few weeks, parliament rushed through the emergency measures they felt were needed.
I still see the only way to remain through a 2nd ref and the only way to do that is too win enough seats off the Tories across Lab, LD, SNP etc.
Agree entirely. But we could “take back control” by revoking A50, rather than begging the EU for more time, and then holding a referendum without the clock ticking down, and after the rules for referendum campaigns are updated to reflect modern techniques.
I still think tactical voting is the way to go
100% agree..... I think my point was more that it's comforting, in a representative democracy, to have the view of 48%+ of the population represented by one of the "major" parties
Personally I'm loving the "but private messages are private!" protestations from the people that brought you this:
to have the view of 48%+ of the population represented by one of the “major” parties
The view of the population on one thing. I still wouldn't vote Lib Dem though, especially not with Swinson as leader, as there are more important things than Brexit.
Such as?
Three years… nothing has really changed…
https://twitter.com/steve_hawkes/status/1170979456611233792?s=21
…I have no idea why millions of people are still so happy to follow people like this, and support their agenda.
Unless it all does just boil down to a rather self centred damaging form of English nationalism. Is it really that simple?
I have no idea why millions of people are still so happy to follow people like this, and support their agenda.
they are an "I'm alright jack party" for "an I'm alright country" (well the 33% of it that they need)
I still think tactical voting is the way to go. LDs will never be big enough to get a revoke A50 majority in Parly.
Yes I agree. If Labour were more likely to win in my constituency than LD I would put aside my current allegiance and vote for them to get the Tories out. Luckily I don't have to choose, we have had LD a close second place since losing out to Tory following the coalition debacle. I reckon we can get that seat back.
I have no idea why millions of people are still so happy to follow people like this, and support their agenda
It's basically a brainwashed cult now.
People who have literally no idea what it actually means, are relentlessly banging on about leaving immediately on WTO rules. They have zero understanding of what that involves, but they're chanting it like a cult.
I may have to vote labour too, our Tory MPs seat swung from safe to marginal last time
Labour candidate is quite good, but will have to see
Our Labour candidate is awful, but I will be voting for him again. If you’re in a two way marginal of any kind, vote for whoever will keep a Conservative Brexit candidate out of parliament.
Sadly, the only way that my Tory MP (pictured in the Sun clipping above) is vulnerable is if he resigns and faces the wrath of both the Brexiteers for his disloyalty, and the rest of us just because he's a Tory.
LDs will never be big enough to get a revoke A50 majority in Parly.
Sure, but with the SNP, who I suspect could well move to straight revoke A50 themselves to fend of the LDs, that’s possibly about 100 seats in a new parliament, and its highly likely Labour would need one or both of them to govern.
Possibly the Tories would need them too, but as mentioned above, there are a fair number of one nation Tories who’d rather hold their nose and vote LD if it keeps us in the EU, and especially if it sinks the ERG nutters.
Bottom line is it’s like a QI question: nobody knows how this would resolve itself at the ballot box, particularly given the FPTP voting system.
Bottom line is it’s like a QI question: nobody knows how this would resolve itself at the ballot box, particularly given the FPTP voting system
Yes - there was reporting yesterday that private polling by Tories had them at 295 to 300 seats despite lead in polls ranging from 3 to 13 points There was a long article in the Guardian about difficulties of poling that didn't even get down to difficulties of attribution to seats.
Personally, it will be a relief when we get to a GE and proper representative democracy plays out.
After a GE we could be in exactly the same place. Or worse. It’s a step that needs taking, but it might not be a step forward, that’s a genuine worry.
Very pleased that all opposition parties pulled together to (try) and get an extension before stepping into the GE unknown. They all look more trustworthy after that. I’d now vote for any of them, depending on where I got to place my vote. Corbyn now looks like far more like a option for stability, as do those who acted for the smaller parties.
"PRIVATE THINGS ARE PRIVATE!!!" v0.2
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/boris-johnson-dominic-cummings-voter-data
After everything that was done back in 2016… the key individuals not only away with it… they now “run” the country. Forget about a fair election.
“PRIVATE THINGS ARE PRIVATE!!!” v0.2
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexspence/boris-johnson-dominic-cummings-voter-data/blockquote >
It's an interesting piece, but I don't think Buzz Feed News are any more trustworthy than The Daily Mail, they just have a different bias. I'd wait to see if any other news agencies pick it up and cite sources.
Just this once, and against my better judgement, I am going to engage - even if I am 99% sure the post was a troll....
Whether you like brexit or not
I don't, and no one in their right mind does either.
you have to admit, Cummings and Boris have played an absolute belter.
I don't have to admit it and they haven't. They're going to end up in exactly the same place May did, but with more red-faced shoutiness.
Pretty much 2 Wk’s time and we will be DONE with the E.U, either by an adjusted May deal, or with a no deal.
No we won't. It would actually be worse than anything before and the 'great' British public will end up hearing a lot more about the EU and Britain's realistic place in the world as a result. Probably for the next decade at least.
You have to tip your hat sometimes..
See above.
In summary, it was an excellent post you made. Apart from the words.
I’d wait to see if any other news agencies pick it up and cite sources.
Are you dubious that they will misuse data, or just dubious that any journalist would already be onto them? I can understand and join you in the later.
I’d wait to see if any other news agencies pick it up and cite sources.
Are you dubious that they will misuse data, or just dubious that any journalist would already be onto them? I can understand and join you in the later.
Oh no the story is very credible. When I try to work out what Boris / Cummings would do, I think about the worst excesses of Trump and Frank Underwood from House of Cards for inspiration.
No, Buzzfeed is very inconsistent, they sometimes have very good stories, but they also sometimes dress up opinion as fact and rely a lot on "unnamed sources"
Buzzfeed is very inconsistent
That they are.
They did break a fairly big story last week - not sure if that was more by luck or judgement tho.
Just this once, and against my better judgement, I am going to engage
Engaging with the proles? Careful, you might catch something. 🙂
Engaging with the proles? Careful, you might catch something.
His name sounds quite upper middle class to me, Belle Davidstein wasn’t it? So, I think I’ll be alright on that one.
Or is that what he goes by on Pistonheads when he is pretending to be Karl Marx? Or is Davidbelstein another of your aliases?
Sorry. Forgot to add 🙂.
Hi guys
Hi Ninfan
re that request to get gov.uk info, I wonder if we could do a SAR on them?
Ninfan is never back, is he?
It is difficult to tell now that I have updated my killfile. Or have I?
Keep ‘em guessing, I say. Trolls need the affirmation, so the killfile is most excellent. Even better is using it, then saying you haven’t. Or the opposite way around, or the triple bluff. That way the trolls never know if you can see them or not.
#takingbackcontrol
Ninfan is never back, is he?
Not as DavidBelstein, at any rate.
Funny as anything watching leavers turn on Johnson as he slowly realises that
A) no deal is a colossal mistake
& B) Mays deal is the only one that satisfies the brexiteers ludicrous red lines
The only question is how much Foster & the DUP are going to cost the taxpayer this time!
Genuine question here.
Now the blond wizard no longer has a majority, aren't the DUP a complete irreverence??
aren’t the DUP a complete irreverence??
They are rather less important but not a complete irrelevance.
That said their drop in importance is why there is increasing talk about Foster finding herself the latest in a long line of people screwed over by Johnson.
How does having DUP support help at the moment though? Again, genuine question.
Unless he is thinking he needs to keep them inside for their potential help in making a majority after a hung parliament for to general election?
A source inside Number 10 tells me the PM & Gove have said if Yellowhammer documents are released into is the public domain “Brexit is over” in cabinet meeting.
This would explain why MPs raised information suggesting Gov't is circumventing publishing the Yellowhammer docs
— Oliver Murphy (@OGMurphy1) September 10, 2019
Oliver Murohy's source is a twitter account entitled No 10 leaks, but in the rush to push anything negative, many journalists retweeted it without doing even cursory research, Grieve and Blackford fell for it too. Wishing something to be true don't make it true.
on the other hand I'm sure they're just keeping yellowhammer secret because they feel it would let down remainers feelings to see how glorious the sunlit uplands will be 😉
DUP only matter depending on which polls you believe, comres, panelbase & deltapoll say hung parliament, Yougov & Opinium say Tory majority
Johnson has a clearer message than May (maybe) but the longer her 2017 campaign went on the worse it got & Cornyn looked better , johnson started his campaign early 10, 12? weeks to go but election ru!as not in force yet, which should give him a hand
Johnson looked physically tired & worn out the last few days, he was 14pts clear on Yougov a couple of days ago, it's his to lose....
Wishing something to be true don’t make it true.
Conversely, wishing something to be false don’t make it false.
Any time you see "a source said..." you can treat it with a pinch of salt unless the reporter has solid prior history of their reports being accurate. I'm unfamiliar with Mr Murphy's output, is that the case here?
Murmurs in the Irish news last night that there has been some movement on both EU/Ireland's and UK teams on the backstop.
It looks like the DUP's influence may be waning which can only be a good thing.
Well that's it then, Boris will have his deal, brexit on the 31st of October followed by an election, there won't be a huge economic hit, as such Jeremy Corbyn becomes the next enemy of prosperity, the opposition collapse in disarray - failing to fight a cohesive alternative to the narrative of a purged Tory party full of hard right shitehawks and then labour will be hammered in the election.
Labour will fail to get their brexit and they will fail to get into power.
Is it too early for binners to say "I told you so"?
DUP will rail against that (that's a billion well spent, I assume no refunds) - the question is whether there are enough hardline loyalists that would see it as a call to action again, as this could easily be spun as the first step towards a united ireland. It could be just as much a threat to the GFA as a return to an inland border.
The DUP are happy to have different abortion and marriage laws, and the island of Ireland is treated as a whole for animal imports hence no BSE ban.
treating NI differently is perfectly normal, how it is spun politically is an issue. In theory treating NI differently could be economically advantageous.
All Ireland deal leading in the Telegraph too, with a Stormont lock. We shall see.
If we have left the EU on a Boris deal before the election it will really change the dynamic.
Wow. Just heard Andrea Loathsome on R4.
Who would have thought a starched knickered numpty like that could have sourced some LSD and dropped it prior to an interview!
If we have left the EU on a Boris deal before the election it will really change the dynamic.
Would the ERG headbangers vote for it? Would Labour go for it? He could have the best deal in the world but if an unpopular minority PM can't sell it to an empowered opposition then it won't change much.
Johnson proposals, stops way short of what Ireland & EU want
No way ERG & DUP will go for what Ireland want
& No reason for Labour to back it as they've forced Johnson to extend, so if he doesn't, it's on Johnson
It's a tragedy about stormont; bitter grievences, fraud and political cowardice have seen the assembly shut down at the very time it is most needed , it's a good job house of commons is better than that 🙄
Would the ERG headbangers vote for it?
Despite being the issue that gets all the attention (probably as it's so insurmountable and contradictory) the backstop issue is just one of many things that the ERG won't vote for
Their list of demands is pure 'cakism' that the EU will never ever agree too.
They're basically asking for the EU to agree to essentially open borders while the UK is allowed to have completely different criteria with workers rights, environmental controls and food standards, amongst other things.
Basically, they want to still have access to the EU single market while obeying none of the rules and have no regulatory alignment at all
So the ERG will never vote for anything short of that. Boris knows this.
They're like petulant toddlers who just shout NO! in reply to any question or offer. Yet they've been the ones dictating policy for the last 3 years, which is the main reason that we are where we are
Why would Johnson offer garage free run at 80-90 seats?
And the EU would go for a 2 years standstill agreement instead of the WA?😂🤣🤣😂
& No reason for Labour to back it
The one reason Labour might go for it is if, as some MPs are suggesting, it is passed dependant on a new referendum with it vs remain.