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Are we doing the Hokey Cokey now?
You do the hokey-cokey and...
DAMN IT!
Random thought:
Now that the Cons have lost the majority, does that render the DUP alliance redundant?
It certainly reduces their bargaining power for asking for another £3 billion
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Now that the Cons have lost the majority, does that render the DUP alliance redundant?
Nah they still need their support so still having to keep paying them off.
Philip Lee putting the boot in to Rees-Mogg now.
This is the gift that keeps on giving.
Not wanting to spoil the party but...
Johnson's most likely route to a GE is to suspend the Fixed Parly Act - that just requires a single vote majority. That would then give him a free hand to call an election.l think without going back to Parly.
It would take a huge amount of discipline across the broad sweep of opposition to stop that. I also think he would be free to pick the election date as well without going back to Parly so potentially aftr 31 Oct
Someone tell me wrong please!
Well he couldn't do it by 31st October any how (they're closed for a queen's speech remember) , but, even if he could do it in the time frame, I think everyone in parliament would see that for exactly what it is. Especially if he's just lost a vote to call a GE
In answer to cougar as well, bear in mind A GE is a guaranteed loss of their seat at the table for the DUP, they'll prop BJ up to the death, even if he doesn't want it.
He'd bring a single line Bill on Thursday.
Johnson is going to have to update his Churchill book to include how he kicked his grandson out of the tory party or at least his trying to.
Tad awkward.
Corbyn to make announcement at 6pm regarding a ‘change’ in Labour policy
Did this happen and just get lost in the noise?
He’d bring a single line Bill on Thursday.
It's got to be timetabled in, approved by PBL first. Then it gets read, then goes away for a while, then comes back with chance to ammend and so on. The process is intended to take about a year.
If there isn't an election, the EU won't extend again.
And.. with no deal illegal and no extension.. there's only one thing left.
Well - two. They've already suggested they'll extend for another ref.
Oh I think they'll enjoy watching BJ and the ERG twist more than enough to drag it out.
A special place in hell was it?
Macron will keep extending, he's a pragmatist. Merkel will keep extending because for German business it's "later the better and preferably not at all". Which of the 27 leaders is going to block an extension? I can't think of one.
The EU27 grants an extension. Leavers: "No, out now!"
The EU27 denies an extension. Leavers: "Why are you punishing us?!"
The Greek Olive Oil manufacturers will save us.
Speaking of Greece, has Turkey joined yet?
Emily Thornberry has just been on channel 4 news saying Labour still want a general election but not at a time of Johnson’s calling, suggesting January for a VONC
Thank god for that. It’s going to be brilliant watching him stew.
Just watching his performance at the despatch box today, it’s no wonder he’s suspending parliament. He looks completely out of his depth
Good move of Theresa May to be sat next to Ken Clarke, chortling away to herself as she watched him implode. She must be loving this!
Remind me,was Boris one of THM's grownups?
Good move of Theresa May to be sat next to Ken Clarke, chortling away to herself as she watched him implode. She must be loving this!
Imagine what it’s going to be like when she votes against him tonight and he has to withdraw the whip from someone who was Prime Minister six weeks ago....
No, the grown ups are all behind the scenes. They will start to play out their plan soon I imagine.
Imagine what it’s going to be like when she votes against him tonight and he has to withdraw the whip from someone who was Prime Minister six weeks ago….
If she does this, I will finally feel bad about her crying on national news. It's a shame her legacy is too right wing and toxic for the lib dems to be able to let her swap sides - that would be hilarious.
Why did no one tell me that the (current) leader of UKIP is called Dick Braine?
What a day.
Haha yeah I was amazed at how relatively little press that got 😂
This weeks Private Eye has got a brilliant article about him and his leadership win over Phil McCrakin, Mike Hunt and Hugh Janus
Is this a turning point? Where the populists are finally outed for the being the complete idiots that they are?
If she does this
Why wouldn’t she? What does she have to lose at this point?
It was my first thought today when I saw her sitting next to Ken Clarke, grinning.
It’s exactly what I’d do in her position
Johnson’s most likely route to a GE is to suspend the Fixed Parly Act – that just requires a single vote majority. That would then give him a free hand to call an election.l think without going back to Parly.
That has to get past the Lords too and I suspect in this febrile atmosphere that's not nailed on.
Also tonights legislation is so well drafted that there's no means to delay, amend or filibuster within it. Shortcummings is finding his OODA loops a bit open.
Don’t bet on it just yet.
According to Channel 4 news, Corbyn is still thinking of calling for the GE Johnson wants.
It would be beyond irony if the leader of the Labour Party gives him his get out of jail free card on the back of a Tory rebellion
@davidbelstein I can't help but notice that in thread below, that you started no less, you were for a Norway style exit, which would seem somewhat at odds with both the current situation, and your assertion of "Out"
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/brexit-vote-note-here-pls/
that just requires a single vote majority.
He hasn't got one.
@Binners I'm waiting to see what happens with tonights bill first. The House is due to sit on Monday and not rise until it's done including responses from The Lords.
Meanwhile prorogation could also disappear as the courts are going to hear the case and The Supreme Court stands ready to hear any appeals.
More constitutional excitement than is decent for our mother of parliaments.
I’m living in hope that in their arrogance, Cummings and Johnson have overstretched themselves, they’re not half as clever as they think they are, and their plan is all now coming unstuck.
The biggest threat to this is the complete absence of even a shred of political nouse at the top of the Labour Party. I worry that Corbyn is about to wade into the elephant trap that is so big that it’s visible from space
Labour (and the other opposition party leaders and key MPs) are playing it perfectly at the moment, and handling the media questioning consistently and clearly. Very encouraging.
It would be beyond irony if the leader of the Labour Party gives him his get out of jail free card on the back of a Tory rebellion
But it would be the icing on the cake of the day if he and he alone from the plp voted with boris because no one else was that foolhardy (or just foolish?). Boris stranded on one side of the house, corbyn on the other.
Time will tell kelvin, Corbyn seemed really angry when going after BoJo over Brexit - but then seemed deflated, even down to me, when he started talking about separate issues.
He’s a hard character to guess and perhaps I am reading into it too much, but he has moments of abject brilliance sometimes interspersed with bouts of seeming apathy.
I do hope someone doing a wonderful impression of Dennis pennis approaches JRM & nige and asks them if they wish they'd argued for TM's deal now.
but then seemed deflated
You’ve not been following his performances at the dispatch box, have you? He always has brief moments of energising delivery, followed by slow boring disinterested delivery that it’s hard to pay attention to, even if on a subject you have a close interest in personally. It’s standard. Don’t read anything into it.
I stopped a little while back kelvin. But it’s a pattern I’ve seen before, but until tonight I thought nothing much of it.
Is this a turning point? Where the populists are finally outed for the being the complete idiots that they are?
Let's be honest, it's not like they were hiding away is it?
But no, all we get from this is a bit of schadenfreud. It's still an unholy mess.
Trump is polling badly compared to the democratic candidates - the optimist in me is hoping that the worldwide wave of populism has peaked. Duterte is losing his popularity, as is Bolsonaro. People are perhaps seeing their lives don’t get better under them?
but until tonight I thought nothing much of it
To be fair, I think I forget how old he actually is. Not many his age would maintain the engaged speaker mode as long as he manages. And Johnson’s performance today was so poor, having the focus kept on him is good anyway.
Have you not cottoned on to this yet? He does it every week at PMQ’s. He looks like a bored health and safety officer reading where the fire assembly points are, then suddenly becomes animated for ten seconds
That ten seconds is then what gets spliced and sent out on friendface and ****ter feeds to the Canary, Red Labour and all the rest of the sixth formers feeds
It’s so obvious that the Tory benches now mockingly cheer it, and Theresa May sarcastically remarked that ‘he’d done his Twitter clip’ when he did it at one of her last PMQ’s.
I just didn’t trust my judgement on it binners.
It’s a shame, if he kept spitting fire in a consistent manner he’d be a scary figure to oppose. Maybe we are lucky he is not able to keep it up.
Your government’s front bench…
A two pronged counter-attack from the government: it looks like they'll attempt to filibuster the bill in the Lords and the chief whip is starting to withdraw the whip from the declared tory democrats.
It is good to see johnson hiding away.
Rees-Mogg really does look good there. Sort of lazy attitude I would display and not someone who tries to portray himself as a proper gentleman.
I liked the disgraced former defence minister Liam Fox trying the "coalition of chaos" line. Really would have thought those idiots would try something new given their current state.
Not many his age would maintain the engaged speaker mode as long as he manages.
That's true but it's disingenuous. Not many hours age would be actively engaged in* or have pursued a position in which it was needed.
Of those that did you have the likes of Attenborough, ranauph fiennes,John Cleese to name a few. Heavens, even Prince Philip seems animated on things he likes to talk about.
Your government’s front bench…
Looks like wetherspoons at 11am
“Paint me like one of your French girls, Boris!”
all of this could have been a lot easier if david cameron knew how to write a question that reflects the complexity of the situation, rather than the imitation of a binary yes/no.
all of this could have been a lot easier if david cameron knew how to write a question that reflects the complexity of the situation, rather than the imitation of a binary yes/no
Not entirely his fault you know...
[and don't have faith the next one will be better, it "should be clear and simple, that is, easy to
understand; to the point; and not ambiguous. It should also be neutral, which
means it should not encourage voters to consider one response more
favourably than another or mislead voters." - if you're interested there's 76pages of published research and 56pages of published advice as to why it was a good question]
To help your faith in democracy and the people who helped shape this cluster "As found in the previous 2013
and 2014
research, contextual knowledge of the
European Union varied across research participants. Whilst most were aware that
the United Kingdom is currently a member of the European Union" from those 76pages, yep some of the people who shaped the referendum didn't even know we are/were a member. It's scary reading.
2013 & 2014 refers to 81&23pages of results and research in question testing
Is this a turning point? Where the populists are finally outed for the being the complete idiots that they are?
I’d think/hope so, I sense we could be putting this shit to bed soon.
For Boris and the ERG a deal was never enough, but they knew a no-deal Brexit wouldn’t have passed a ref.
Up to now both sides have stopped ‘taking yes for an answer’ it’s become to polorised, too embittered. Leavers squandered a chance to leave, we could have left months ago, they could already be working on how they wanted the U.K. to be post-EU, but it wasn’t good enough. Labour could have torn through the Tories if only socialists could have put aside their own dreams of a socialist Brexit.
If this really is the beginning of the end, we have the hardcore Brexiteers to thank, when push came to shove they reverted to type, pubic school bully boys and like most toffs who think they’re hard, they get a nasty shock when they try it on it the real world.
Cameron didn't write the question; I thought it was authored by the Electoral Reform Commission?
Cameron didn’t write the question; I thought it was authored by the Electoral Reform Commission?
Suggested by Parliament, extensively tested then reworded by the electoral commission then approved by Parliament.
DIVISION!!!!
Need to listen to Pink Floyd now… Division Bell.
DIVISION!!!!
The ayes have it.
Shit, that was fast. Bercow doesn't piss about, does he.
“Paint me like one of your French girls, Boris!”
Bercow doesn’t piss about, does he.
He just ignored the first vote. Second one is having a proper count. Yes, our parliament is archaic.
Johnson is getting a kicking in parliament, first PM since Pitt the younger to lose his first vote
But he's still polling well enough to keep* his majority in a GE
*Well get a working one
Or is it just a splinter faction?
Same group (more or less) who were pro maybots deal in the past.
Yup it's a sub group of pro-leave-with-any-deal Labour MPs
What are labour playing at now?
Good lord. I assumed binners was joking with VI formers, that reads like it's been written by a not very accomplished one.
As to what they're playing at they're looking after number 1 and still courting the leave vote for fear of offending them, to quote Kate Hoey "sending a signal to all those people who voted to Leave that we know best, that we are being arrogant".
All well and good of course except they really really are supposed to know best.
Usual names.
Ayes have it, the ayes have it
328:301
328:301, ayes have it.
Ayes have it, the ayes have it
Who was that "not a good start Boris".
Boris now repeating lies and bluster.
Calling for an election (that he says he doesn’t want).
Boris now repeating lies and bluster
I think that's just how he breathes
Oh, wait, here it comes... Boris "doesn't want an election"... here starts his exit strategy.
Called it.
Corbyn calling for Johnson to call a referendum, and pushing for the legislation to stop No Deal before any election. Spot on!
Cougar - see above. It's not Labour policy it's a splinter group of Labour leavers
Corbyn calling for a public vote.
Bercow having a ****ing field day.