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No fact 😉
Anyway we shall see
Well plenty of folk disagree with you, and from the EU side a reversal because being outside is rubbish would play well.
I doubt we will see though because the current shower of incompetents in power will not give us the option - they’d never hold the Tory party together if they did.
Not fact, all things can be reversed, all things can be changed it just takes a will.
When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard.
The EU learned that lesson in past month when we suggested that HB was being planned for!
Is that why they got what they wanted?
They come cheap 😉 then
50% pre Xmas sale!!
teamhurtmore - Member
The EU learned that lesson in past month when we suggested that HB was being planned for!
They’re learning it again from the Right Dishonourable DD today as well.
THM maths - 50% of £40bn is £39bn
(Wait a minute, did you think the £100bn was anything other than a line thrown to the Brextremists to make them think they’d beaten the EU down did you? 😉 )
No from EU documents after Fr and Germany made stricter demands in the May
FT covered the story and several independent bodies calculated what his meant. Not the Brexshiteers
What the Germans were really expecting:
http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2017-11/brexit-grossbritannien-kosten-zahlungen-eu
57bn possibly minus the rebate so about 40bn. A figure of 40-45bn has been on French media recently along with on-going payments and payments for the trnasition period.
THM - my own understanding was £40-55bn, so it’s at the low end by the looks of it. I will freely admit I don’t see every document written and I have a habit of dismissing ones I regard as posturing, negotiation stances or just plain silly.
So if they came out with a higher figure fair enough, but £39bn looks pretty much in line my expectations.
Of course it may not be £39bn when it comes to it, but...
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/10/david-davis-clashes-with-ireland-over-brexit-deal ]David Davis is playing a blinder this week, isn't he?[/url]
What a ****ing clown!
Always read the small print. The Irish agreed to both drafts so they knew what was there.
Did the Guardian not bother?
IGM frankly it doesn’t matter. None of this is set in stone. We had a fudge/compromise last week that allows everyone to move on to next phase. No one thought it was all settled did they?
Nick Ferrari of all people calling out Davis as a liar on LBC.
Im not sure if the befuddled old man thing is an act or it's all just taking its toll on him !
Trying to deny that he was being misquoted, by himself?
I reckon it’s a bet. BoJo, Davis and Williamson are seeing who can do the most outrageous thing and not get fired
I see Davis is backtracking on the statement of intent. A statement of intent is now “more than legally enforceable”.
According to Davis anyway.
I often misquote myself. It's an easy mistake to make. Then I usually issue a statement quoting the misquote of my misquote, thus clearing everything up
Getting on to more important issues: what are the latest economic figures available, and what are they telling us?
And what are peoples feelings generally about the way the economy is going? Purely anecdotally: I'm in an industry that normally feels it first when things start to get tight. I think things are slowing down markedly. This time of year is usually mad busy, but not this year. The contrast to last year is huge. Its dead on its arse, to be honest. And that's the general consensus from a lot of people I'm talking too.
I'm starting to get really concerned about what the new year will hold. Nothing good, that's for bloody sure!
EU now confirming that joint Brexshit report is not legally binding
Amazing how much noise there is on every aspect - deliberately so?!?
Glad they (the EU) had read the small print!
Yes, you are making a lot of noise. Take a break. I'll join you…
Well the EU statement is important given all the DD comments ^ and elsewhere (but only if facts are of importance, clearly)
EU now confirming that joint Brexshit report is not legally blinding
[i]Mr Paisley said that at the start of the week Mr Varadkar “had a ball at his toe and believed he was about to pull off a major coup of having secured Northern Ireland harmonised with the Republic of Ireland.” Mr Paisley claimed: “Frankly, whatever efforts are made to characterise this week Leo Varadkar was done over by the EU, the UK and the DUP.”[/i]
https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/ian-paisley-boasts-weve-done-varadkar-brexit-deal/
Take a break. I'm going to revisit this next year here, I advise you to do the same. This thread needs some space for others to contribute.
do we think having unionists and republicans at each other's throats is somehow a good thing then?
Strange times.....
As I recall the opening of the agreement last week said something like notwithstanding that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, so yes it’s not legally binding and everyone knows that.
So why is Davis trying to wind the Irish up? And why does he suddenly want to backtrack? And what do you think will happen if the UK tries to keep the other bits of a deal and not that one? (Not saying they will of course)
Davis just needs to learn to shut up. Idiot.
Anything is fair game to be sacrificed at the altar of Brexit, including peace in Northern Ireland, apparently.
Do people like David Davis think the rest of the world isn't watching this chicanery? And all of them will obviously be queuing up to sign trade deals with people who conduct themselves like this, obviously?
So why is Davis trying to wind the Irish up?
If you watched the interview it seemed like a perfectly calm, rational answer to the questions posed.
Of course, the alarmist and anti-Brexit commentariat amongst the press chose to jump up and down on one comment flapping their arms around over something that, in reality, was neither news to anyone or remarkable.
If you cant see how manufactured most of the recent ‘big stories’ have been then you must be daft.
If you cant see how manufactured most of the recent ‘big stories’ have been then you must be daft.
aahh so its all #fakenews ?
thats a familiar tactic
But...
...ROTHERHAM!!!
aahh so its all #fakenews ?
I’d use the phrases alarmist and sensationalised clickbait
But...
...ROTHERHAM!!!
You’re aware that Keighley (Anne Cryer) is nowhere near Rotherham?
igm - Member
As I recall the opening of the agreement last week said something like notwithstanding that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, so yes it’s not legally binding and everyone knows that.
So why is Davis trying to wind the Irish up? And why does he suddenly want to backtrack? And what do you think will happen if the UK tries to keep the other bits of a deal and not that one? (Not saying they will of course)Davis just needs to learn to shut up. Idiot.
He's "clarified" hsi statement by saying that the agree ment is legally binding.
He's a special sort of inept - publically suggesting he'll renege on an international agreeemnt made just a day earlier. Hell of an image to present for a country that's expecting to be nedotiating trade agreements. Although he'll be long gone by the tiem that actually happens, if ever.
I don't know how he's still in a job after being caught lying to Parliament last week.
I'm in an industry that normally feels it first when things start to get tight. I think things are slowing down markedly. This time of year is usually mad busy, but not this year. The contrast to last year is huge. Its dead on its arse, to be honest. And that's the general consensus from a lot of people I'm talking too.
I’m in the crayons business too, London based and mostly working within property marketing and the last year and especially the last 6 months has been the worst I’ve known in 12 years freelancing. I’ve not had a sniff of anything substantial since August. Initially I was glad of the break as I’m normally turning work away but it’s got to the stage where it’s starting to look a bit bleak.
Im not sure if the befuddled old man thing is an act or it's all just taking its toll on him !
It's not an act.
[i]"What's a requirement of my job? I don't have to be very clever, I don't have to know that much, I do just have to be calm."[/i]
You’re aware that Keighley (Anne Cryer) is nowhere near Rotherham?
Fair pint.
But...
...KEIGHLEY.
Anyway, Ian Paisley JR? Really? Well done on finding an impartial commentator. 😆
Ninfan - you young innocent you, I’m always at my calmest when winding folk up and there’s a peculiar sort of serenity that comes when you’re playing for high stakes.
Read the words from his mouth. I suspect he was trying to calm the JRM / PB Brextemist wing down and hadn’t realised what he was saying to the Irish.
But then to contradict the true point that didn’t need pointing out with one that was probably less true... the man’s a fool.
The gao between the interview and the headlines is as wide as ever. And the guardian requests contributions to quality journalism???
DD and the EU saying the same thing. Other nations can either welcome the truth or not. Their choice
DD and the EU saying the same thing. Other nations can either welcome the truth or not. Their choice
but DD has since 'clarified' saying it is legally enforceable...
the mans a genius or a fool
The vote will not be to go back to where we were. That decision has been made.
That will change. Democracy and all that.
EU now confirming that joint Brexshit report is not legally binding
In the same manner that referendum result was not legally binding.
But A not legally binding document must be a refreshing change for David Davis, as opposed to last week's not actually existing documents.
Doesn't this now mean there are 3 confusing statements relating to the agreement, which isn't actually an agreement until everything is agreed, and isn't legally binding anyway?
1. The agreement is not legally binding
2. Nothing in this document is agreed until everything is agreed.
3. If nothing is agreed the UK will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union.
So does that mean that if the EU27 just walk away and ignore us, we're now committed to remaining a member?
EU briefed €100bn to FT. Around €75bn was their base case. Remember the EU wanted this money upfront and in return FOR NOTHING.
May has made it clear its £35-39bn in return f for an extensive free trade deal and a 2 year transition period. All paid as/when & if due. No deal, no money.
Also way to go EU on the deal with Japan. The EU sells Pork (and other agricultural products) tariff free and Japan sells cars. Explains the EU’s value system totally
Also way to go EU on the deal with Japan. The EU sells Pork (and other agricultural products) tariff free and Japan sells cars. Explains the EU’s value system totally
Those are the biggest exports from the respective countries before the free trade agreement was even agreed. How can this have anything to do with the "EU's value system"?
EDIT: seems I am not alone as the FT reported a few days ago the deal is known as “cheese for cars”
How about EU car exports ? Cars for Cars and Food for Food. Going EU Food for Japanese Cars seems daft to me.
UK / Japan deal will be interesting, services for cars and components ? I think we’ll go for cars vs Japanese tech investment (inc electric / hybrid vehicles) and gty manufacturing will be expanded generally
It is "cars for cars" - i.e. tariff free in both direction for cars?
How about EU car exports ? Cars for Cars and Food for Food. Going EU Food for Japanese Cars seems daft to me.
Unless you are European farmer of course ad Japan has limited agri resources and the EU does food quite well. But that is not the whole agreement of course but Jambalaya you keep spouting your nonsense.
Japan dont need free tarifs on cars, they already make them in the UK and Europe.