[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

Juncker has a GSOH also seems that he appreciates May's fragile position by the way he bigs her up for the press.

An endorsement from Juncker is not necessarily a boon for a UK politician in terms of mainstream media coverage. It's a bit like Trump saying nice things about you.

Mays ability to generate a deal no one likes much is awesome...sorry sensible and grown up 😉

So we are not really leaving , are still paying and we have no say

No one would have voted for this beforehand not leaver nor remainer so there is no way anyone can claim this as a victory. It is also just a delay of the issue with no solution as NI should be termed

I don't think Herr Juncker would be impressed by the comparison.AFAIK he's not a ginger narcissist,fantasist, and molester of women.

So we are not really leaving , are still paying and we have no say

I don't think Herr Juncker would be impressed by the comparison.AFAIK he's not a ginger narcissist,fantasist, and molester of women.

Not what I meant :-)- just that being aligned, or matey with Juncker will get you slammed by the Mail etc just as much as being Trump's mate gets you criticised by liberal media.

The three conditions have now been met by agreeing to the EU's original demands:

Divorce payment as demanded by EU (rather than 20bn), good
Good Friday agreement respected in terms of national unity without customs check points, excellent - and the whole UK remaining in the customs union (did May read my posts on this thread ? 8) )
Citizens rights respected for those already there and the ECJ around to enforce the promises - better than nothing

Now there needs to be a trade agreement that satisfies 27 countries that are in the same customs block. This is where it gets tricky. Macron will block anything that allows the UK to lead a race to the bottom socially and fiscally and benefit from it. this is where you find the cake so dry you can't swallow it and Brexit chokes to death. 😛

oh edukator have some faith in us will you we will talk big then at the last minute ditch all our principles, capitulate and agree to anything 😉

I suspect the outcome will be we pay more., have less access and less influence over the EU than if we stayed

Its beyond parody this and a result no one wanted beforehand

Nope - sorry didn’t get past first point

Hard brexit seems to have been choked - good thing - now on to unique deal for UK. But yes this will be tough

We can but hope.

Otherwise we'll get the most pointless Brexit ever, where we stay in the all the bits of the EU that the Brexies hated, while simultaneously paying handsomely for the privilege, losing our Grants/Rebates and losing our seat at the table to 'nope' the crazier federalist plans that they are baking up.

Great job! What was the point?

It seems to me to be just kicking the can down the road, but possibly lining up either stay in CU/SM later on or as good as by having permanent regulatory alignment (albeit without the ability to influence unless we are clever enough to influence the way Norway does)

We have always set out to ensure ACCESS TO the SM and CU from the start

Ed any reason why you chose to ignore Junkers comments that “today’s result is of course a compromise” when claiming (incorrectly) that the UK has agreed to UK original demands?

Nope - sorry didn’t get past first point

Which means you so hate other people being proved right you can't bring yourself to read it, or more probably you read it and it so upset you that you promptly posted some nonsense about not having read it.

Pathetic

Edit: of course Junker said it was a compromise. He's a good diplomat, an often drunk and always smarmy diplomat but to the end a diplomat capable of dressing up a win as a compromise for the sake of diplomacy. He got where he is by rubbing everybody up the right way whareas the Brexit team members have got where they are rubbing up the good people the wrong way and the bad people the right way.

Everyone has access to the single market under WTO

Irish border issue has worrying text (see statement from Irish PM). It basically says if EU/UK do not reach an agreement it will fall back to full regulatory compliance. Clearly non-workable as if there isn’t a deal we should go to clean Brexit and WTO

From my perspective discussions heading in totally the wrong direction.

"kicking the can done the road" is exactly what the UK wanted, we always maintained that some issues couldn't be fully resolved without trade talks and that has essentially been accepted.

From my perspective discussions heading in totally the wrong direction.

That's reassuring.

No I simple noted that your first point was 100% incorrect. It did get better tbf but poor start. Do you hate “our” gov so much that you could bring yourself to check the facts?

Farage is seriously pissed off

This can only ever be a good thing

😀

57bn or post something to prove me wrong, THM, I'm happy to be proved wrong but would like a link. That's close enough to the original round-number 60bn being mooted hundreds of pages back to satisfy me as a European.

Edit: I've never said I hate the Btiish government, please don't put words into my mouth. I used to very much enjoy listening to Jo Cox and there are no doubt some other good people but they haven't made it into European media sources.

Everyone has access to the single market under WTO

We want to be able to have tariff free access which you must be aware of

Edukator - Reformed Troll

From my perspective discussions heading in totally the wrong direction.

That's reassuring.

From my perspective discussions heading in totally the wrong direction.

That's cheered me up a bit.

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Tell me this...
Can I still buy my chocolates tariffs free?

Tell me this...
Can I still buy my chocolates tariffs free?

The bespoke deal for the confectionery sector has been allocated approximately 17 minutes of discussion time at some point in July 2018. Wait your turn. 😀

So there's no chocolate impact assessment?

Jamba,that's very reassuring,probably the nicest thing you've said for ages.

[quote=zippykona ]So there's no chocolate impact assessment?

there is a galaxy of them all suggesting a Boost for the industry

NB not eaten chocolate for about 20 years do they even do these bars?

And further more,Nige agrees with you http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-42276855

Everyone has access to the single market under WTO

suggesting a Boost for the industry

That's the last thing the industry needs, yet more bloody standards.

At least you weren't out of date enough to suggest marathon trade talks.

[quote=thejesmonddingo ]And further more,Nige agrees with you http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-42276855
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Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage says of the deal, "It's not Brexit, we voted to leave the European Union.

"She (the PM) has given a foreign court jurisdiction over us for many years to come."

He added: "Now at best we will not be leaving until 2021 and the next general election will be fought n this issue".

i'm snickering at these chocolate puns.

Of course under nige and his racist mates, all dark chocolate will be banned.

Still,Nige will find it easier to get his pension 😈

What's the crux of this? Are we heading for a stealth noBrexit?

At this rate May will have us signed up to the euro as part of the deal to "leave" 😆

It is possible Mrs May is the most adept politician in the Nasty Party,she has achieved her original goal of Remain,whilst presenting it to the swivel eyed loons as a Soft Brexit. She will retire on a high note 😀

Possibly a 50 Euro note !!

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Everyone has access to the single market under WTO

Gove has already expressed his admiration for the deal. Take it he hasn't read it yet. And Bojo has to fly to Iran today to try to repair the damage he caused earlier, so is unavailable for smoke-filled rooms* this weekend.

*not currently smoke-filled due to over-regulation.

Considering all the crap she has/is enduring and the almost impossible nature of the task, she could emerge from this with the last laugh. The incompetent remainer who just pulls off a Brexshit deal. That would be ironic ( and a relief)

What's the crux of this? Are we heading for a stealth noBrexit?

Looks like we are giving up membership of the EU but retaining access to the SM via a new form of trade agreement.

Still marathon talks twix now and Brexshit and the real crunchie time. Is there room for a new Malteser adjustment for everyone to revel in?

[quote=thejesmonddingo ]It is possible Mrs May is the most adept politician in the Nasty Party,she has achieved her original goal of Remain,whilst presenting it to the swivel eyed loons as a Soft Brexit. She will retire on a high note

Indeed. She may be doing her own Verbal Kint performance right in front of our eyes, and we're all being hoodwinked.

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So everyone in NI gets to retain their EU citizenship says the G (including ironically my friend from Derry who voted Leave ... and since applied for Irish passports for his kids!), but I'm English so I don't.

So how is that not treating NI differently to the rest of the country?

mattjg - Member
So everyone in NI gets to retain their EU citizenship says the G (including ironically my friend from Derry who voted Leave), but I'm English so I don't.

So how is that not treating NI differently to the rest of the country?

Indeed. The SNP will be all over this by about 11am today.

they do anyway as they are all Irish* and can get an Irish passport

If its the case that NI citizens can get it via just being in the UK then expects a shit storm from disgruntled folk from the other nations - including some English- but esp the Scottish who voted to remain

* I assume many loyalists disagree but they can still get an irish passport

So you accuse me of lying, THM, "100% incorrect" you said and then fail to post a link to prove me wrong because you can't because I'm right.

You are a dishonourable person.