Dont fret he has Ninfan for company 😆
Nifans just on the windup. THM actively hates scotland and the scots. Plenty previous for using pejorative racist terms when refering to scotland.
Mind you - you can tell a lot about a man by the company he keeps Ninfan so I would be careful if I were you
Good to seeing you making things up again TJ.
Perhaps you could try a killfile then you wouldn’t have to state false things in your constant quest to be so abusive. Just a thought....
The true Scots haters are those who were prepared to use lies and deceit to damage their own nation. The set the tone for Brexshiteers to follow
The original post truth politicians, but unlike Brexshiteers they did at least publish their BS for all to see. Had another amusing skip through Scotland’s Future this evening. Were Banks and Bojo ghost writers?
So, if the early morning press conference is to announce that a move to trade talks is coming soon… will the government need to start to do the analysis and political discussion required to decide what we're after from the talks… you know, the stuff they claimed, and we thought, they'd been doing since the referendum? Dare I use the "plan" word?
They have said what we are after from the start*. But both sides have unachievabke positions so you can’t plan too much without finalising the terms of access. That will be determined only after the next stage has progressed. Even then it will go down to the wire as the EU will need to keep playing games.
* obviously thus is not what is moaned about.
But why wait for politicians? The key decision makers who drive the economy are well ahead in planning for different outcomes.
I know I'm feeding the troll by saying this, but seriously what is wrong with THM?.
Why so divisive?
We are all European citizens for now (thank ****).
Many of us have diverse families that live in different locations and we and we'd very much like to keep it that way.
The rules are already in place for those that seek to take advantage.
The rules have never been enforced.
Ask theresa. She was absent from her duty before she accidentally became PM
our plan is to deny we have a plan so the EU dont know we really dont have a plan
our plan is to deny we have a plan so the EU dont know we really dont have a plan
there is a plan; it's a single piece of paper with "take back control" written on it in crayon.
We are. I have enjoyed Frankfurt, Paris, Madrid and Brussels in the last few days and have always been a full supporter of FOM and against harming the interests of Scotland - hardly divisive. Quite the opposite
I have lived in France and one mini THM studied there too. That’s why I voted remain
I am also against our government abdicating their duty of care to uK citizens who have chosen to live in Uk.
Timewasting trolls.
Indeed
binners - Member
You've got to laugh, unless you'd cry
Regarding that link (which is funny by the way) as it is very true.
I genuinely felt gutted after the referendum for a long while. Totally alienated in my own country it seemed.
Now, I've taken to trolling the HYS forum on the BBC news site whenever a Brexit discussion is up! Its soooo cathartic.
It's sad I know but Brexit is such a disastrously bad idea and so helplessly "planned" for that it's enthralling as a Remainer to see the replies I get to my ecstatically happy Remainer posts on there.
Extolling the virtues of a second referendum etc and commenting how out of control, "taking back control" is!
You just can't make this sort of news up. Its like a parallel universe. I genuinely dare to think there will be a second referendum.
I live in hope.
In the meantime it's delicious to see the Brexiters on the BBC site tear into the Tories as the Tories tear into themselves.
It's a thing of beauty.
There will be a deal, inspite of the shambolic Tories, it'll be fudged enough just to keep the swivel-eyed brexies happy.
Tories problem is that they picked up the torch of the Brexiter lies and have tried to carry out on, rather BV than being honest with the public
@dannyh one of the advatages of a WTO Brexit (or “no deal” if you prefer) is that it is a clean break.
@Jamby.
A clean break isn't always a good thing. Just saying it sounds like a line from Eastenders.
What is it you think we need a clean break from?
What regulations would you like to see us unburdened from and to what aim?
What do you think it is about the EU that actually holds us back, how is Brexit going to solve these issues and do you think that even if we do become more prosperous after Brexit (which I think 95% of people think is impossible), that the extra prosperity will benefit a majority or just a minority?
Yeah, absolutely.
There will be an agreed deal and as you say it will be a cluster fudge of a mess designed to try and keep everyone happy. Which is utter folly. Even within just the Tory party.
Anyway.... Then we move onto the trade deals! Remembering that the divorce agreement was billed as the "easy" part by the Brexiters. Really!? Lol
dannyh
What do you think it is about the EU that actually holds us back, how is Brexit going to solve these issues and do you think that even if we do become more prosperous after Brexit (which I think 95% of people think is impossible), that the extra prosperity will benefit a majority or just a minority?
I'd really like to know the answer to that too. Not from one individual on here as such but from Leavers in general?
The problem some people have is they sold brexit as this magic unicorn solution to everything, dismissed all criticism of the plan, ignored any difficult detail and complained that people were just being bitter by raising questions to them. Now they either have to accept they were wrong or double down, go all in on the fantasy.
Lets face it if you really believed that the aim of poker was to have a collection of different low value cards you might consider putting your house on that hand, sorry I mean other people's house.
What do you think it is about the EU that actually holds us back, how is Brexit going to solve these issues and do you think that even if we do become more prosperous after Brexit (which I think 95% of people think is impossible), that the extra prosperity will benefit a majority or just a minority?
I would massively prefer a free trade and freedom of movement deal with many of the former commonwealth nations, particularly the US, Canada, Australia, NZ, USA, Caribbean nations etc.
There are various reasons for this, but shared language, history, legal principles, developed scientific links, education models are just a few of them.
There is already an almost seamless transition in many fields - but our trading relationships with all these countries is controlled by the EU.
mikewsmithdouble down, go all in on the fantasy.
That is what I am definitely worried about. Many people having to make humiliating public apologies and losing even a pretence of having ethics. Just not going to happen is it.
Farage, Johnson etc would sooner drag us back into the dark ages and once there still tell us we are cooking our food on camp fires in the woods because the EU still has it in for us.
It will always be someone else's fault.
Meanwhile Rome burns.
3 of those deals are in progress right now with the EU.
Dealing with the USA from a position of weakness is a massive risk and IMHO a mistake.
As always people forget that the UK is part of the EU and therefore part of the control.
I would massively prefer a free trade and freedom of movement deal with many of the former commonwealth nations, particularly the US, Canada, Australia, NZ, USA, Caribbean nationsnever going to happen.
I removed the killfile to see this
teamhurtmore - MemberGood to seeing you making things up again TJ.
Perhaps you could try a killfile then you wouldn’t have to state false things in your constant quest to be so abusive. Just a thought....
You got a ban for using pejorative racist terms about scots IIRC ( or certainly a warning)
Your hatred for uppity Scots is clear from your decent into racist name calling
Go on - try the racist name calling again
You are beneath contempt
Good morning to you too. What a pleasant chap you are.
Put the killfile back on and have a nice day. Avoid the news this morning though....
So did you or did you not have posts removed and a warning / ban for using racist pejorative terms about scots?
I hope for the country's sake that they've got it right this time....
Put you kilfille back on and save everyone the boring abuse. Your attempts at bullying don’t work with me.
We shall see Cody. Looks like some folk have had long nights and little sleep. Odd if the impossible happens and we can finally get down to discussing trade.
Let's see what the border deal is.... if we're all back in the CU as a result I could accept progress. JRM and his mates, maybe not......
Some clever grown ups have clearly been working very hard.
Some clever grown ups have clearly been working very hard
Junker and Tusk..
They might even have read the EUs impact assessments..
Some clever grown ups have clearly been working very hard.
Did they give David Davis the night off then?
THM's experience of Scotland is based on eating at The Witchery and playing golf around the St Andrews Links - at least going from some previous posts.
Which is fine, obviously the Visit Scotland life is a part of our country and a very nice, pleasant part of it.
Doesn't really give the whole picture. I doubt he's been up the Hilltown in Dundee on a Saturday night.
can we get this back on topic, i suspect we all have opinions on THM and TJ and Jamba and probably many others too.
Seems like 'progress' has been made, no border between NI and the RoI and GF agreement upheld. Which I think has implications for the rest of the UK too, otherwise the DUP will be out.
Makes me wonder what the frothy mouthed exiteers will make of it. JRM will be sharpening his wit as we speak......
No one yet saying what the compromise is that I can see.
No me neither......
But I'm sure some adults who aren't total idea-gogues will sort it out, it's just making sure 'they' don't find out where these talks are so they can derail them.
"49. The United Kingdom remains committed to protecting North-South cooperation and to
its guarantee of avoiding a hard border. Any future arrangements must be compatible
with these overarching requirements. The United Kingdom's intention is to achieve
these objectives through the overall EU-UK relationship. Should this not be possible,
the United Kingdom will propose specific solutions to address the unique
circumstances of the island of Ireland. In the absence of agreed solutions, the United
Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the
Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the allisland
economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement.
Which in summary seems to me to be - well that last idea was a crap one so we're agreed we need a better one.
I suppose technically it's progress 🙄
Check out @RobertsDan’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/RobertsDan/status/939029342360711170?s=09
The UK remains committed to "full alignment with the rules of the customs union and the single market"
In the absence of agreed solutions, the United
Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the
Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the allisland
economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement.
Punted it down the road, then.
🙄
EDIT: So which industries 'support North/South cooperation'? Wouldn't that be pretty much everything which flows between North and South, people and goods?
Hard Brexit fans are NOT going to be happy.
So brexit means brexit, except it doesn't 😆
....and another 10 years of ECJ oversight as well, of course.
Next week at Westminster will be rather entertaining, I feel. 😆
Sooo what exactly are we leaving?
Dear, dear....
Farage has just said that its good news for Mrs May as she can now proceed to the next level of humiliation.
I do wonder if she's got cabinet support for this. Late night discussions, did she cut them out of the loop? Hope not.
Stop moaning 😉 the less impact the better. Unlike the 99% wrong gang, this is what has been largely expected.
(YGH - sorry never been into dogging. But Stakis (in those days ) casino and some snooker halls did make in into great nights out in Dundee!.. The Tay, the Tay....)
Punted it down the road, then.
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So basically the “solution" is to promise regulatory alignment until and unless we can work out any other solution. AKA "Let's pretend we are leaving".
thecaptain - Member
So basically the “solution" is to promise regulatory alignment until and unless we can work out any other solution. AKA "Let's pretend we are leaving".
It does sound that way. Semantics, basically. Interesting to hear that she conducted much of this from the UK last night, then flew to Brussels to shake hands and pose for photos. Which sounds like she was massaging the Cabinet/everyone else who's pulling the strings on Brexit, which hopefully means she's got buy-in from them.
Juncker has a GSOH 🙂 also seems that he appreciates May's fragile position by the way he bigs her up for the press. A wee soundbite, Teresa, to help you sell it to your people.
