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This whole no-deal thing is sounding more awesome by the minute:
https://news.sky.com/story/uk-faces-potential-consumer-panic-and-security-gaps-under-no-deal-brexit-says-government-document-11775217
No doubt more fake news - except this time presumably written by some quislings in the government. No doubt Jakob will be hunting them down... 🙂
the pound is really going south vs the yen at the moment, snaffle up those shimano bits sharpish.
Re: The above... WHAT THE FSCK??? What FSCKING planet are this idiots on if they think that is a good thing?
Let's be honest, most of them likely have money in currency, so I reckon they will be making a few more quid out of giving the pound a kicking
the pound is really going south vs the yen at the moment, snaffle up those shimano bits sharpish.
In six months our main currency could be XTR cranksets, so time to stock up.
In six months our main currency could be XTR cranksets, so time to stock up
"let them eat cranksets"
What do we think Boris's exit strategy is if he can't get a new deal( with no backstop) and Parly block no deal:
(1) try to take no action so leave anyway - but risk of losing no confidence vote and forced into GE looking weak. In this scenario to avoid a no deal crash out a unity remain candidate would need to be appointed as PM immediately, ask for A50 extension and call a GE. That would require a lot of cross party working
(2) Prorogue Parly and take no action and so leave on 31 Oct. Not legally possible no I think?
(3) call a GE and stand on a no deal platform?
(4) Call a 2nd ref no deal versus remain
(5) something else?
(5) something else?
He has achieved his birthright of becoming PM so any of the above or maybe 6).
He has presented so many faces to so many different people I really dont think it is predictable. It is whatever a)will serve him best now b)what will look best in the history books c)country/party/whatever who cares? See a and b.
If he calls a GE just b4 31st oct will we just let no deal happen?
More details on the potential 'free trade deal with US'. Its gonna be biggly...
https://news.sky.com/story/us-says-no-free-trade-deal-with-uk-unless-digital-tax-scrapped-report-11776240
Probably won't need that tax money anyway. Tories will no doubt be reaping more crops from the magic money tree plantations 🙂
The USA approach to the UK in terms of trade is "bite down on this, were going in dry".
We're screwed without the backing of our 27 friendly neighbours.
Eddie Mair delivering an absolute zinger
https://twitter.com/Kishan_Devani/status/1157624280273903618
At least she is honest, I don't think she meant to be though.
what a moron
At least she is honest,
The affair with Mark Field (yes that Mark Field) lasted 18 months, towards the end of which she became pregnant. Truss told friends that the baby was her husband’s and when it was born, he was named as the father on the birth certificate. Indeed, Truss’s marriage survived the scandal.Though the affair was well-known around Westminster, no one told the selection committee at South West Norfolk.
I thought Cummings said there'd be no more leaks?
Tim foil hat time, as this one was mostly 'green' is it a plant?
I’ve come around to the conclusion [finally prompted by the inevitable bullshit promises for future funding for the NHS in the papers today] that Cummings will win this election for Johnson, when it occurs, and we will be leaving the EU without a deal. But I still don’t know which comes first. And I still don’t see the opposition doing anything to fight back. If you are richer than the rest of us, and you haven’t already, make sure your assets aren’t all in the UK. If you’re in a position to get health insurance, get it, even if you don’t agree with having it.
Whereas I think the opposite - we won't be leaving with no deal and Johnson won't win the election (as he will lose seats to Brexit party due to not getting Brexit done).
Cummings will have a strategy that reduces Brexit Party support where it matters to keep seats, and take Labour votes where they need to win them. They won’t just be taking a punt and hoping with this, they will be fully on it. Now. The summer won’t be wasted. Meanwhile… over at Labour…
[ obviously, I hope you are right, @kerley, well, apart from BP winning seats in any numbers ]
Mostly behind a paywall but you can get the gist. If GE late enough then no deal happens by default
There is a theory that Cummings is pushing for an 8 October Budget to delay confidence vote. Also if budget voted down they can say it's a forced election even though they are putting money into police and NHS etc. BTW the extra funding is capital - for buying equipment, renewing estate etc, - no good for more staff, medicine...
Hmmm I reckon the only option Boris has is to head for no-deal brexit as it’s the only way he has any chance of keeping HMS Tory afloat.
It’s a win-win for him and he has to do nothing as that’s the default.
If parliament does stop him the optics are being set up for him attempting to do the will of the people but being subverted by the cabal of remainders going against the people which will play well for his election campaigning and the current stuff coming out of more money nhs /police/one strike policing etc ticks the boxes makes it looks like they’ve already started the election campaign.
I reckon the game is attempt Crash out and clean up at the election after which gives him 5 years as the new emperor as he really hasn’t any wiggle room to do anything else.
Be more remainder 😉
BTW the extra funding is capital – for buying equipment, renewing estate etc, – no good for more staff, medicine…
It’s all about the sound bite tbh and he can milk the bus thing again.
If parliament does stop him the optics are being set up for him attempting to do the will of the people but being subverted by the cabal of remainders going against the people which will play well for his election campaigning and the current stuff coming out of more money nhs /police/one strike policing etc ticks the boxes makes it looks like they’ve already started the election campaign.
As I said a while back… anything now done by Parliament to stop No Deal won’t/can’t include a General Election before our current exit date (thanks for the ‘strategy’ Milne) so will be successfully painted as undemocratic, and weaponised to help the Conservative Brexit Party push aside both Farage and Labour (and anyone inside the party not Brexit enough). Meanwhile, the people you would like to be on “our side” are happy to sit back and watch this mess unfold… and I still imagine they think that the fall out from the damage will give a future Labour government the chance to rebuild the country outside the EU… a long game at the expense of your children and mine, and one that is very unlikely to pay off, IMHO.
I still don’t know which comes first, No Deal Brexit or the Johnson victory, and I suspect they don’t either. Both October and May elections are probably being carefully planned out. Well, on one side that is. Someone point me at the roughest sketch of how this can be avoided now… because I can’t see it. Even if an extension is forced by a temporary government, that’s just fuel on the fire of the election campaign that’ll result in a No Deal exit next year (which is probably Johnson’s best path).
The Labour party is going the same way as the French PS has gone, into oblivion. The next step is a split and/or mass defections. It only takes one leader to properly fail/betray their electorate to finish a party for years or even for good. Corbyn is doing just that, failing the thinking center left. If I wouldn't vote for him or his party (I don't have a vote), they've got no hope because if people like me with a desire to see a strong welfare state funded by taxing a healthy economy don't think they are capable of achieving that they've lost their core (edit: core is wrong word, "enabling" is better) voters.
Paying lip service to Brexit rather than denouncing the poverty and social inequality it will bring is Labour's downfall.
Edit: I haven't seen anything to convince me that Brexit won't happen at the end of October. And if it doesn't then Farrage is next PM.
As parliament has to vote for a GA it is not a given just because the government fails a confidence motion or cant get a budget through.
What odds on a Ken Clark government of national unity being called.
"GA" ?
Cummings is saying 'no-deal inevitable' as he wants it to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. It may well be but it would suit the scumbag for everyone to give up (although in fairness labour seemed to have anyway).
Good old Boris has started deliver on the bus pledge - approx £3.5m per week added to this years NHS budget (so 1% of the way there) -anyone remember how much we committed to spending on no deal preparation last week?
GE - general election - I assume.
I don't know what the fixed Parly act says. Maybe if VONC successful then a new "unity" PM can be installed (as per one of my options above) purely to get an A50 extension then CA a GE. Would take sone serious cross party working
Along with a lot of people, I think I'm now just despairingly resigned to the fact that No Deal is now inevitable. I don't believe, given their previous track record, that enough Tory MPs are prepared to put their money where their mouths are and do anything to stop it. And thee labour party seem happy to just sit back and let it happen in the hope they can blame the Tories for it. It's a total dereliction of duty, but we're all surely used to that from them by now.
What is more worrying though is the fact that people seem to regard No Deal as some kind of endpoint. It isn't. It is the beginning of something ... the complete re-shaping of our society in the American mould. The disaster capitalists are salivating at the thought of what they can achieve in the resulting chaos. The NHS and the welfare state, as we presently know it, won't last 5 minutes.
EU regulations that restrict any form of rapacious capitalism will be shredded en masse. Bye-bye workers rights and environmental controls as the government slash taxation to business and the rich in a race to the bottom
Unless you're one of the top 5%, then your future is going to be very very bleak indeed
Wonder if it'll turn out that gina Miller was the catalyst for No Deal. Without her intervention we'd be out with May's deal, and probably wouldn't have BoJo in charge. Hopefully the house will temper the current trajectory but it seems to be getting less likely every day.
Sorry GA typo for GE.
Reading Guardian (selective?) reports from round Europe the current UK government more of a soap opera than actual reality.
Consensus appears to be shifting towards cutting the UK loose and come back when/if you get your selves sorted out. Major trade deals are more attractive with EU than UK and it will solve a lot of production delivery problems to restrict manufacturing to within the EU.
Also reading how one UK manufacturer had spent £200k stockpiling for last March deadline and now not prepared to spend again for October deadline if it happens.
I think we are slightly guilty of playing into Cummings hands by beginning to resign ourselves to no deal. There is still a lot to play out.
the complete re-shaping of our society in the American mould
Far too optimistic. Little old UK doesn't have the clout. You need to think of somewhere much poorer.
The beginning of something, yes, very much so. A series of embarrassing submissions to not just the US, but any place that decides the UK is less important to them than they are to the UK. Brexit is the end of a Union and the start of a long humiliation. Without the EU banking passport (no deal Brexit) you can expect financial services in the Uk to be decimated and without that the UK drops down the world GDP ranking with each year that goes by. Outside the top ten within five years is my prediction.
But it still hasn't happened yet.
Farage playing to his right wing American masters again...
https://twitter.com/i/topics/news/e277831927
There is still a lot to play out.
There is. If/when nothing gets resolved by October the shit will really hit the fan.
Interesting piece in the Guardian on how the rest of the world currently views Brexit
The article by the Indian reporter I thought was particularly pertinent ....... (reproduced below)
Mihir Sharma, author, Bloomberg columnist, and senior fellow at the Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi
I visit the UK regularly and was there during the referendum. I was surprised but not shocked at the result. The Westminster system, which we share, is meant to conceal the real “will of the people”. It’s a bad idea to combine that with referendums. You might discover what people actually want, which is usually something politicians, and reality, can’t deliver.
The result, observing the saga unfold from afar, is high comedy: a political class that is trapped by its own promises and lies into delivering the undeliverable and which is now losing all credibility as a consequence. It’s been strange to watch the incredible arrogance on display in England (not Britain), which reveals itself in this belief that they will somehow be a desirable location or partner for other countries once they leave Europe.
Such a giant and inexplicable act of self-harm would be sad if it happened to a country less sure of itself, but when it happens to England, it is amusing as well.
Britain confuses its standing with that of London. London is a great global city. Britain is a small European country with ideas above its station. People will continue to shop in London. Companies will locate less in Britain. The Indian government will pay less attention to the British prime minister and more to Brussels and Berlin.
It seems to me that too many people in London seem to believe, deep down, that Brexit won’t happen. They don’t seem to realise they are now strangers in their own country.
As a political analyst, I have learned quite a few things from Brexit. For one, I see it as a warning of the danger in allowing a single issue to take over all politics, all economic planning, and in fact all conversation. Brexit has dumbed Britain down.
For another, politicians need to realise that in democracies like Britain or India, people are always angry: whether at austerity, or decreasing living standards, or immigration, or religious diversity. Anger just needs a target. The Brexit referendum gave them one: the EU. The country that invented the Westminster system, intended to control popular anger, seems to have forgotten how to run a democracy.
India, like others, has noticed for the first time that Europe exists independently of Britain. India thought of Europe as Britain’s backyard. Brexit means we will now develop independent relationships with European countries. Britain, and London, will become less important.
If Brexiters think that negotiating a trade agreement with India is going to be easy, they are in for a nasty shock. There is a far stronger belief in Britain than in India in the power of nostalgia and a “shared history”. It won’t impact trade negotiations at all. If Britain wants a deal, it will have to concede India’s demand for easier work visas for professionals and students. It will have to relax immigration. This is as non-negotiable for New Delhi as it is for Brussels. I’m sure Brexiters will be fine with that!
Britain’s reputation for common sense and pragmatism has been severely damaged by Brexit. I doubt it will survive a Boris Johnson premiership.
Mihir Sharma, author, Bloomberg columnist, and senior fellow at the Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi
The article is bang on the money, but don’t expect any brexiteers to take any notice. It was written by a foreigner and one with a brown skin to boot.
Taking a slightly different tack, if Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe was actually called Nancy Ratcliffe and was white I reckon the Mail and its readership would be advocating some kind of SAS hostage rescue or a nuclear strike. As it, barely a whisper, and certainly no tub thumping. I wonder why......
Maybe it is time to cut Scotland and Ireland loose, see how they get on.
No.
And **** off.
I read that Guardian article yesterday. The whole thing makes for thoroughly depressing reading. We're an international laughing stock. A banana republic run by fanatical lunatics and clowns
Ironic that its actually strengthened the EU as every nationalist party that was advocating leaving the EU has had to STFU after watching 3 years of this rolling car crash.
Its fair to say that absolutely nobody is keen to replicate our arrogant neo-colonial, nationalist stupidity. The EU has never looked more appealing.
the queen should surely step in soon
"Boris you're ****ing up my empire"
Binners, not quite. There are still quite vocal minority parties in a lot of the central states of the EU that are pushing for their own version of leaving the EU, or at least complaining about the imbalance of it towards the richer, northern countries.
Nationalism and xenophobia is rearing its ugly head all over the place here as well.
"Ich schäme mich für meinen land" is something I've said more than once recently.
I'm hoping that it'll all get knocked on the head and brushed under the carpet.
I hate this state of limbo.
Europe is made up of France and Germany with 25 other hangers on providing a bit of mutual support for each other and paying into the protection racket?
The other 25 countries ?
Haven't you got a Daily Express editorial column to be writing?
I will agree that there is an element of truth to that outlook, but you could also argue that Europe is 27 nations trying to work together. There is inequality amongst the individual countries, but the main goal is to change that and work together.
*awaits the use of the phrase 'federalist superstate'*
The continent of Europe contains 44 countries.
Even the most blinkered of nationalistic, populists douchebags across the EU will be looking at Brexit with a frown.
Ever since the ref public opinion of the EU has improved, even in countries with strong nationilst surges like Austria, Greece & Italy
The lesson is that it doesn't matter how many people you can get to vote for your unicorns
Without a plan it will be a humiliating disaster.
So cheers brexiteers your deceit & incompetence has at least had some positive effects!
The UK needs a reset in terms of its attitude towards the rest of the world, although I’d take that article with a pinch of salt - the most nationalistic people on the planet are Indians.
SOAS who are about the most “woke” university in the UK consider that India will never amount to be a leading global nation.
https://www.soas.ac.uk/blogs/study/will-india-become-superpower/
What is this demographic challenge? Well, an analysis of global population trends shows that over time, most likely by 2025, India will become the world’s most populous nation. But much of this growth is taking place in two states: Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. These two states are India’s largest and third largest states (with a combined population of 302m), but also India’s two poorest states (with a per capita income ranging from US$347 to US$450 a year). In this light, vibrant economic growth is unlikely to be sustainable in India. We are already witnessing the first signs of stagnation in the Indian economy.
In order for India to be a global power in the 21st century, it would need to develop its military capabilities and diminish its dependence on natural resources. The country would also have to devote substantial fiscal resources towards military expenditure.
Given the burden of a rapidly growing poor and unskilled population, it is hard to fathom how the Indian state will be able to allocate scarce resources into making it a militarily and economically powerful nation
They are desperate for visas to try and hoover up as much expertise as possible, like China was a few decades ago.
Haven’t you got a Daily Express editorial column to be writing?
I suppose it's only marginally better than cut, copy & pasting the daily mash or whatever they think up for you.
The continent of Europe contains 44 countries.
Even better what do the other 42 do then? Other than pay into the protection racket.
I think you may have to look up the meaning of 'protection racket'. Just a minor detail but I don't think that many protection rackets end up as net contributors to their protection racket, actually paying money out. And the other members of said schemes don't generally end up as net beneficiaries.
France and Germany need to maybe take some advice from Big Vern..
Your knowledge of the EU is strong. Not all European countries are in the EU.
But you knew that, so keep trolling and come back in another 20 pages with your great one liner.
Maybe it is time to cut Scotland and Ireland loose, see how they get on.
I'm game, maybe England could just declare independence from the UK and leave the other 3 countries in the EU.
Wales will stick with us till the bitter end
the question is will NI or scorland hit the ejector seat button before johnson launches us turbo charged off the cliff edge?!
little britain here we come!
OI! Don't you be running off and leaving us with all those mad bastards.
Don't lump the English all in together
I've already mentioned the solution... Independence for the South East of England. Thats who's responsible for this madness. This is the decades log obsession almost exclusively of the flag-waving eejits in the home counties.
Those lot can float off towards America, and I reckon the rest of us would get on just fine, remaining in the EU 😀
I think you may have to look up the meaning of ‘protection racket’. Just a minor detail but I don’t think that many protection rackets end up as net contributors to their protection racket, actually paying money out. And the other members of said schemes don’t generally end up as net beneficiaries.
At least it was VIZ and not the mash ad nauseum.
The rest was just the usual I'm right because my other agreeable people say so drivel, Suck it up buttercup its happening and your moaning on the web about it did nothing.
Wales will stick with us till the bitter end
Because they have nothing else. FFS what does Wales have to actually offer. No oil whisky or salmon.
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OI! Don’t you be running off and leaving us with all those mad bastards.Don’t lump the English all in together
thats the genuine nightmare, diminshed & humiliated already from brexit, wangland will keep on electing Tories until we are a singaporean tax haven for the rich and eternal austerity for the rest of us. We'd not be sad to see the back of the DUP obviously but at least the SNP keep the Tories damped down!
Bring on the sunlit uplands!!!!
The rest was just the usual I’m right because my other agreeable people say so drivel,
erm actually he just pointed out that your claim it was a protection racket was poorly thought through (much like brexit in general!)
It gets better.
Just read how much Ireland , Scotland and the Welsh actual cost us to support including the whiny northern scum that complain its all so unfair about how London is the most important part of the country
erm actually he just pointed out that your claim it was a protection racket was poorly thought through (much like brexit in general!)
No he didn't he missed the fact that like most protectionist operations unless your paying in you don't get the benefits of the big hitters.
That Phil bloke seems well informed about other countries. and generous in outlook towards his fellow Brits, doesn’t he? I feel we might learn much from him.
including the whiny northern scum
It’s so unfair when the rich southerners call us names.
Perhaps if we all acknowledged our obvious inferiority to the master race daaaaahn saaaaarf they'd be nicer to us?
If you consider the rest of the country irrelevant Phil, shouldn’t you be a remainder like that Indian author of the Guardian article?
Without London, the rest of England would be pretty poor. And this whole Brexit issue is not the fault of the “South East”, far from it… anywhere in Wangland where anti-immigrant and anti-EU sentiment could be stirred up there was strong support for burning down our current arrangements. No where is there clear support for anything to replace them though… which is why the “No Deal” idea is being pushed so hard… we still can’t see a plan for our new arrangements to scrutinise… because there still isn’t one which “the People” will support more than our current, slowly evolving, arrangements, in any part of the UK, never mind across all of it.
That Phil bloke seems well informed about other countries. and generous in outlook towards his fellow Brits, doesn’t he? I feel we might learn much from him.
Indeed.
So much so that i've just emailed my MP demanding that she petition the Government to withdraw it's support for Scotland immediately and cut them loose from the so called Union
She emailed me straight back and said she's all over it and can count on the unwavering support of at least 34 other MP's
Thanks Phil!
#voteforphil
That Phil bloke seems well informed about other countries. and generous in outlook towards his fellow Brits, doesn’t he? I feel we might learn much from him.
And within minutes one shows up, its like the saying you're never more than 6 feet from a rat.
Perhaps if we all acknowledged our obvious inferiority to the master race daaaaahn saaaaarf they’d be nicer to us?
No and you would still be carrying on like a mug, the French would have burned the country to the ground by now , you wouldn't catch them taking snippets from websites and posting them on the web in protest for their mates to have a chortle at.
Carry on complaining whilst it happens in front of you and doing nothing about it.
The aftermath where you say there's nothing we could do will be equally as brilliant.
And within minutes one shows up, its like the saying you’re never more than 6 feet from a rat.
That's only in the South East of England.
In Wales, you're never more than six feet from a sheep, in Scotland it's a deer. and in t'north it's a whippet.
In all these areas you're also never more than six feet away from an ungrateful sponging scumbag.
Apparently
One what Phil?
I think, if I'm reading this right, we should all be a little bit more French.
Bagsy being Eric Cantona
And I think I've sussed out who Phil Really is
Its you, isn't it Mark?
FFS what does Wales have to actually offer. No oil whisky or salmon.
Water innit.
oh jeeze, francois has a picture of the dambusters on his wall
thats perfect
oh jeeze, francois has a picture of the dambusters on his wall
He was in the Territorial Dambusters but he doesn't like to talk about it.
FFS what does Wales have to actually offer. No oil whisky or salmon.
Water innit.
And the letter 'Y'.
The English alphabet only used to be 25 letters and excluded the now ubiquitous letter Y.
But the Welsh, having first invented it for the production of long road signs that didn't use vowels, then ended up with a glut of them and started exporting them. Initially this was confined to the rest of the UK, where they were mainly used for adding to peoples surnames to make nicknames at school, but it eventually went global.
The original manufacturer of 'Y's, just outside Aberystwyth ceased production in 1993, when production was outsourced to China
Their is still no equivalent of the letter Y in Myanmar and it is actually pronounced Manmar
It's also somewhat ironic that despite an overproduction of the letter L in Wales, they export so many that some Welsh learner drivers have to make do with D plates instead.
