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But the law right now is that we will leave on March 29, with or without a deal. Until that law is changed, parliamentary votes on anything are worthless.
This is true - but it does at that point give an idea as to what to do next. If 'we' don't want to leave with no deal, it starts putting remain options on the table, something we've not had since the original ref.
(He says looking at his half full glass)
Top trolling from Donald Tusk.
Posting a kids drawing of a Unicorn on Instagram 😂
Hence amendments are key - my post end of last page
Salvini isn't in a position to veto as he's not an EU leader. I hope others do though. After the vote tonight, the only option on the table for the PM is to revoke A50. I suspect tories and May know this and she'll be thrown under the bus as the leader who cancelled Brexit.
A question for Roberto Azevedo...
"Who are you? I'd never heard of you. Nobody in Europe had ever heard of you.'"
Chancellors Spring Statement leaked
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/economy-doing-brilliantly-if-you-compare-it-to-28-days-later-says-hammond-20180314145883
What a lovable bloke you are. No chance of you being first against the wall come the revolution
The British need to learn some humility. There was a Guardian article a while back saying that we needed a huge blow to the country to bring that about. I was just more direct in the way I said it.
Come the revolution, I'll be in a country with more effective and intelligent leadership - such as the Philippines 😀
What should happen next:
• Quietly revoke Article 50
• Tell Brexiters we left with no deal
• Send them blue passport covers
• Give them special long queues at airports/ports
• Charge them for roaming calls/data
• Give them food and medicine ration books
• Get on with life
They’ll abolish all tariffs, then they’ll cut corporation tax or abolish it completely, then, inevitably, having destroyed the tax base its bye bye NHS, bye bye welfare state, and everything else….
At least we'll be able to tell every brexiteer until the day we die - "how's that 350m a week for the NHS working out for you" whilst laughing from our our private hospital beds.
Or for the aging middle class gammon voters, "how's that non existent minimum wage old age social care working out for you?"
More than enough schardenfreude to last several hundred lifetimes.
A nice counterpoint to the 'it's the remainer parliament thwarting the will of the people'
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/the-brexiteers-have-blown-it/amp/
Thanks Torsoinalake. This is bang on the money..
Brexit was fine until Brexit arrived; it worked better in theory than in practice not least because as a theoretical matter it was all about unleashing a greater Britain whereas, in reality, it has become a retreat. And worse than that, a retreat which has emphasised our smallness, not our majesty. Project Fear? No, Project This Is How It Is and no amount of blather about German car companies or Italian prosecco-makers can disguise or make up for that.
If the above about a conspiracy to remove the option of an extension is to be believed, then that Spectator piece as usual is woefully missing the mark.
A50 revocation or no deal. We're into the endgame, with not many Parliamentary options left. No time to change the government, no opportunity to remove TM as leader.
What should happen next:
Source for that, if anyone cares:
https://twitter.com/damocrat/status/1105571463778709504
Some of the comments are interesting. Eg,
https://twitter.com/Wrexit/status/1105589909509885952
Today is fun in the Facebook comments sections - People who want to leave, calling MP's traitors for voting to leave with TM's WA.
I've just checked my copy of The New Oxford English Brexionary and it says:
"Traitor" (noun): Anyone who disagrees with a vocal leave voter. See also, "undemocratic."
HTH.
apparently Theresa May 'understands the voice of the country'
presumably because they are all saying the same thing to her F--- O-- !
So how many MPs are going to vote FOR no deal?
Will a poor showing shut up Duppity Mogg?
I think, when the dust has finally settled on the last nasty few years of in-fighting, belligerence and hatred, history will show that we could have left the EU in 2019, but the MPs who wanted to do so more than any other, were so hellbent on the most destructive, ill suited (for the vast majority of the population) version of it, they actually stopped it happening.
JRM, the postertoff for Leave, knowing that 'No Deal' will be shot down in flames tonight, knowing that once out, we were free to negotiate trade deals with the rest of the world at our own pace without doing the UK terrible harm decided that rather than leave in 16 days, voted against it.
It's almost seems that rather than having an issue with the EUs rules, how they distribute money or how they consider how bendy a banana should be - seem more interested in damaging for the UK economy for some reason...
Farage daring the EU to reject any request for an extension. Verhofstadt seems to agree:
Farage's argument literally seems to be "I'm an annoying tit and if you have an extension then you'll have to put up with me for much longer"
Good to see Toadyface is still spouting lies.
I do like the term "Moggmentum" from that Spectator article, that's going to be my favorite descriptor for the ERG from here on...
Farage daring the EU to reject any request for an extension. Verhofstadt seems to agree:
"Gaping chasm"
I was thinking exactly the same thing Nige.
Doesn't he have a channel actually called Moggmentum??
Anyway.. What time is tonight's vote guys??
I do like the term “Moggmentum” from that Spectator article, that’s going to be my favorite descriptor for the ERG from here on…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moggmentum
Apparently it's a thing!
How anyone can think a bloke who's basically the Monopoly Character in looks and manner has their best interests at heart is completely beyond me.
Anyway.. What time is tonight’s vote guys??
7pm same time as always, just a warm up to the footie
I'm going with a slim chance of the sensible properly remove no deal making it through to the live final
Cheers Mike.
Interested to see how all the erg vote....
I think it'll go through unamended, which effectly would be MPs saying they don't want No Deal, but fully except that we're likely to get it, and won't push the government to stop it.
[ another meaningless stitch up ]
Interested to see how all the erg vote….
On the main bill if they step out of line and object to no deal then I expect them to be flogged in the street, it's their objective.
I can wish they get flogged.... Oh, how I wish!
What's truly funny, is how a lot of people voted to punish thems "Jewish bankers" but now there have been a flurry of good articles on how the City is going to weather his pretty well - but the rest of the country isn't.
Ooops.
Did they? 
Did they really say that?
As we head towards the “no deal” scenario, one of our suppliers is German based and they’re now asking for two months order coverage and to be paid up front.
Hey-ho it’s what the people wanted.
don't stop at bankers, almost every category possible of "sticking it to johnny foreigner" is going in approximately the opposite direction to what the brexit voters voted for
How anyone can think a bloke who’s basically the Monopoly Character in looks and manner has their best interests at heart is completely beyond me.
"Rich Uncle Pennybags," fact fans.
If JRM is RUP, he's in the wrong aspect ratio.
Did they really say that?
Anti-globalisation and anti-semitism often go hand in hand - in lexit and ERG/Ukip circles.
But if you take out the Jewish part, it's fairly well known that the vote was partly a **** you to bankers.
its the outcome we dont want but the one we are heading for
still at least Brexit has settled the Tories internal europe conflict once & for all 🙂
Jezzers truly is a prat looking at that graph.
The Guardian on Corbyns performance today....
Profoundly uninspiring. There are times during national crisis when parliamentarians rise to the occasion. But there was no sign of that in those PMQs exchanges. Jeremy Corbyn was absolutely right, of course, when he said that Theresa May’s plan has been decisively rejected, but he did not get very far in challenging May to adopt Labour’s plan and he sounded relatively unengaged considering the seriousness of what is at stake. Although he highlighted some of the horrors of a no-deal Brexit, if anything he probably understated the potential problems, and sounded less passionate about the extent of the mess than he does when he is talking about issues like, say, homelessness or poverty. He restated the case for Labour’s Brexit, but he did not sound like someone poised to drive it through the House of Commons. Still, he had a a better case than May who, partly because of the problems with her voice, was literally pitiful. She had a carefully crafted soundbite (I may have lost my voice, but I understand the voice of the country), but it was not enough to restore her credibility. In the past, May has frequently accused Corbyn of wanting to stop Brexit (a surprise to those who have actually studied his record). But, interestingly, today she seemed to have dropped that line of attack, criticising him at one point for not restating his referendum policy yesterday and at another point highlighting his own Eurosceptic credentials
Anyone know what amendments have been selected?
Interested to see how all the erg vote….
I'm more interested in how Corbyn votes.
The data doesn't correlate with the title in that graph. The title says "vote against no deal" but the data shows no deal vs leave with a deal. Two very different things, and aside from anything else it effectively rules out the ability of remain voters to vote against it.
I bet a vote asking "should no deal be removed as a possibilty? [yes | no]" would have yielded a somewhat different result.
It's becoming more and more clear that today's vote is just pretend democracy, tabled by a time wasting PM. An utter waste of time. Another day knocked off.
but he did not get very far in challenging May to adopt Labour’s plan and he sounded relatively unengaged considering the seriousness of what is at stake.
An article in the Observer by Andrew Rawnsley a few months ago said that when asking those around Corbyn about his attitude to Brexit 'disengaged' was the one that was used repeatedly. He's just happy to let the Tory's get on with it, unopposed, and try and avoid being saddled with any of the blame for the fallout.
https://twitter.com/OwenSmith_MP/status/1105740294006427650
Anyone see the Emily Maitliss video on the Guardian where she looks like she is going to lamp Berry Gardiner?
I think I'm in love.....
Spellman amendment pulled… so there is now no chance for MPs to vote to stop No Deal. Another wasted day.
He’s just happy to let the Tory’s get on with it, unopposed, and try and avoid being saddled with any of the blame for the fallout
If that's the case, either he thinks his remainer base is thicker than his brexit base and won't see through him or he has some kind of early onset neurodegenerative disease.
Corbyn is on borrowed time now.
It must be fairly apparent to any sentient being that we're heading for No Deal. I just can't see any other outcome, as any other outcome would have to involve a degree of political courage and competence.
Anyone see that as likely, right now?
Spellman amendment pulled… so there is now no chance for MPs to vote to stop No Deal. Another wasted day.
Stolen from another source
Looks like the amendment will
Still be moved but the govt will whip their MPs which could see remainer resignations if they want to vote for it. High drama.
On the spellman amendment
speaker John Bercow says she can't withdraw her amendment and it hasn't been moved, and it is now in the hands of the House of Commons. He makes clear that other signatories can move the amendment later this evening.
Dafuq?
It must be fairly apparent to any sentient being that we’re heading for No Deal. I just can’t see any other outcome, as any other outcome would have to involve a degree of political courage and competence.
I'm just wondering where the easiest deal in history has got to?
I'm also wondering why none of the Leave camp are questioning that or indeed any of the other patently bollocks claim that were made and thinking "hang on a sec, if they lied to us over that...."
Oh I know; it's all the fault of the EU and the Remoaners. Ah, that's cleared that up then...
The BBC are reporting that the runmour coming out of Westminster is that the Maybot intends to brazen this out, let the clock run down and then put her unamended shitty deal back to for a third vote on the 26th of March, on a 'vote for it or we crash out' basis.
That has been obviously the plan since November.
Keep looking busy while the clock ticks down.
Tick. Tock.
Yep maybots has no other plan for months
Did I read that bercow might not allow a MV3 vote though as it's just the same thing again?
If it's the only way the government offers to avoid No Deal in the final days… and MPs have voted to say they don't want No Deal, but have not voted to stop it… then Bercow will have to allow MV3, as the only way to stop No Deal.
It's a trap!
Ah the Malthouse amendment that is incompatible with the EU and basically a meaningless way to no deal by another name will all be the fault of the EU when they point out it's no good. Another tory idiot on the BBC.
Do we know if the Ken Clark one is on the list?
Found the answers - Place your Bets
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/deal-or-no-deal-place-your-bets-now-special-odds-one-night-only/
Well the DFDS Liam Fox is enjoying his time at the dispatch box, he might need a ministerial red box to help him leave the chamber without more embarrassment.
Anyone find it funny how it's never legally binding unless they win it.....
Despite Caroline Spelman's wish not to move her amendment on a no-deal Brexit, the Labour MP Yvette Cooper - a co-signatory - has decided to move it herself.
Expect the result in around 15 minutes.
It's awwn!
Anyone find it funny how it’s never legally binding unless they win it…..
Sadly, no.
Whilst many have talked about how our 2 party system is broken, what's become apparent for me throughout this farce is how broken the parliamentary process is. Full of needless pomp and ceremony with grown adults behaving like toddlers. It's not fit for purpose in a modern society and needs massively overhauled.
🙂
Thank **** for that.
Passed by 4
Bloody hell, that was close!
Needs a second vote only 4 votes in it lol
Who would have ever thought that parliament tv is more entertaining than Netflix
Needs a second vote only 4 votes in it lol
Sadly, no.
Whilst many have talked about how our 2 party system is broken, what’s become apparent for me throughout this farce is how broken the parliamentary process is. Full of needless pomp and ceremony with grown adults behaving like toddlers. It’s not fit for purpose in a modern society and needs massively overhauled.
Maybe if I had used fishy
Get. In.!
So now we have reality vs fantasy, certainly the noise level doesn't sounds like enough want the Malthouse amendment through. Another 10 mins to wait on this one.
I did not think it would be that close, almost half the MP's are OK with no deal.
Tories lost this against the whip too
This is more exciting than the rugby! 😀
How many Tory remainer resignations tonight?
Yep time to find out which ministers are going to resign
Is the so called 'independent group' about to get a lot bigger?
Adler good on the beeb at the moment - pity about the human toad on the other side of the conversation.
what’s become apparent for me throughout this farce is how broken the parliamentary process is. Full of needless pomp and ceremony with grown adults behaving like toddlers.
I dunno. Parliamentary process might get us out of this. The blame lies with May. Not opening up a public debate on what Brexit should be allowing the negotiations to proceed was unforgivable. Why the hell should we all have her version of Brexit forced upon us? She says she's giving the people the kind of Brexit they want. We weren't asked, how the hell does she know?