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I did that, made the choice to move here, but the loss of the freedom of movement leaves me in an unknown state. I _have_ to wait until March before I know whether I need to apply for a work visa and that is despite spending a year in a job here.
I'm counting down the time until I can apply for a Swedish passport and not have to think of myself as British any more.
As I have said many times before, my key reason for voting remain was because it was as clear as the nose on your face that this lot would make a monumental f up of leaving.
If we are doing Brexit songs - I vote second verse and chorus of Piranha's version of Tom Hark...
My friends say that we're heading for a grotty time
It's just a bit of slapstick and a pantomime
We're heading for disaster but I just don't care
Shut your eyes and count to ten, you won't be there
[Chorus]
The whole thing's daft
I don't know why
You have to laugh
Or else you cry
You have to live
Or else you die
You have to laugh
Or else you cry
If we are doing songs...
England made me and here I'll stay
Emgland made me, let England deal with me.
I will fight these ****s until the day I die.
What a mess!
Eek.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46564884
So a little more cost associated with Brexit - every little helps...
& what's going to happen to the E111 health form thing?
& what’s going to happen to the E111 health form thing?
invalid. travel insurance costs will go up like they are for non-EU destinations at the moment.
We've really shown them & taken back control.
or that may just be project fear and the EU will fall over themselves to treat us plucky brits that manage to escape...
or that may just be project fear and the EU will fall over themselves to treat us plucky brits that manage to escape…
How, exactly, does one go about claiming political asylum?
travel insurance costs will go up like they are for non-EU destinations at the moment
Extra fun/expense if you have a pre-existing condition, like T1 Diabetes.
And… raising your eye from your summer jollies… think about UK citizens living and/or working in the EU.
and the "amusing" part of the ETIAS thing, it isn't a visa so any attempt by the UK to impose a visa as some brexiteers are calling for means reciprocal treatment. ETIAS won't apply and you would then be liable for a full visa.... which from what i can find is of order 50-60 euro.
How, exactly, does one go about claiming political asylum?
Or you move to RoI under CTA, try and get a job, remain resident for years, claim irish citizenship and then can relocate at will in the EU.
We really are ****ed arent we. Destined to be stuck in limbo on the fringes with none of the benefits but all of the costs.
I'm about to go visit my parents who both voted to leave, should be an 'intersting' few hours avoiding any mention of this shit storm.
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How, exactly, does one go about claiming political asylum?Or you move to RoI under CTA, try and get a job, remain resident for years, claim irish citizenship and then can relocate at will in the EU.
Or move to NI, and when it inevitably reunites with the the Republic, job done.
Or possible emigrate to Scotland for the same thing. You can help this process by telling your MP to chuck those whingeing subsidy sucking Scots out of the Union. 🙂
Anyone else noticing an increase in the number of Brexit conspiracy theorists that are popping up? Along the lines of "It's all a secret Remain plot between May, the EU and the media - they've planned this all along". In that case, well done Mrs May you've played a blinder, you had me fooled into thinking you and you colleagues really had no clue what was happening from one day to the next.
We really are **** arent we. Destined to be stuck in limbo on the fringes with none of the benefits but all of the costs.
Blue ****ing passports. Traitor.
invalid. travel insurance costs will go up like they are for non-EU destinations at the moment.
Yes my parents will be ****ed because my Dad has pre-existing conditions and struggles to even get insurance. Both ardent remainers in case you were wondering.
I’m about to go visit my parents who both voted to leave, should be an ‘intersting’ few hours avoiding any mention of this shit storm.
You should give them a hard time for landing you in the shit.
I’m about to go visit my parents who both voted to leave, should be an ‘intersting’ few hours avoiding any mention of this shit storm.
The dawning realisation that this is still all going to be up in the air over Christmas has come to me. Christmas with my Brexit voting Daily Mail reading inlaws has never looked so dreadful. To cap it off my MiL's brother died last week so I've had to promise to be nice to her when all I want to do is shake her by her triple lock pension.
Idle thought...if we all knocked off our inlaws over the festive season not only would the world be a better place but also if a 2nd referendum comes to pass there's a chance we'll get to call the whole thing off.
Or possible emigrate to Scotland for the same thing. You can help this process by telling your MP to chuck those whingeing subsidy sucking Scots out of the Union
I'll not deny that I've been feeling somewhat remote from much of the shenanigans on the basis that we might have one last chance to escape from the forthcoming bourach. I can't say that I feel particularly optimistic though.
I think the @crazy-legs theory that the (a) Tory front bench will back a referendum before the Labour one does is starting to look more likely…
Pressure is mounting…
https://twitter.com/jameschappers/status/1073590413821386753?s=21
…the details match up with his post very closely.
I note that the EU., an organisation consisting of no less than 27 different countries all with their own particular needs and cultures, have all been able to cooperate and agree with each other on the point of whether or not the Brexit deal is closed.
Brexit? Of course!! Who on earth would want to belong to a union as shambolic and disorganised as that? Eh? Eh?
Oh, wait....
And… raising your eye from your summer jollies… think about UK citizens living and/or working in the EU.
I have a good friends whose mum and dad recently moved to France permanently.
One has a debilitating illness which will never go. Both massively strong Leavers. Like many leavers, logic just doesn't seem to apply.
I've spent a Coyle of hours on the BBC Have Your Say section this afternoon. Ostensibly discussing May's complete and totally predictable humiliation. Again.
Honestly, the majority of leavers are utterly radicalized by Brexit. Logic and common sense count for nothing. On the few occasions there is an admission something is not really going well with this process it's always someone else's fault. The EU, May**, Remainers being "unpatriotic."
I'm sure if we crash out on WTO terms, the WTO will be the next "elites" to be blamed for any hardship suffered! It's always someone else's fault.
Wish to Christ I had recent Irish ancestry to get an Irish passport but no dice.
**Can't stand her but was always a poisoned chalice.
My hope is Scotland leaves Uk for EU. Then says anyone born on the island of Britain can have Scots EU passport.
If I bought a house in N.I and paid council tax would I be an N.I citizen. If I and 10 other people then bought the cheapest shack in NI with our names on the deeds would we all get NI citizenship?
Christmas with my Brexit voting Daily Mail reading inlaws has never looked so dreadful.
**** 'em. Life is far too short to be somewhere you don't want to be. I haven't seen my mam for a couple of weeks and don't want to visit any time soon (me, remainer; her, DM reading loon) 🙁
Someone needs to tell the Brexiteers that we should stay in, what would be better - to leave? Or to hatch a Machiavellian plot to destroy the EU from the inside?
https://www.politico.eu/article/why-the-eu-should-fear-a-second-uk-referendum/
I mean ****, if they think we're that evil already - we should just go full Russian, start funneling money and support to the yellow vests and the FN.
Blue **** passports. Traitor.
And toblerone. At least that’s secured.
If I bought a house in N.I and paid council tax would I be an N.I citizen. If I and 10 other people then bought the cheapest shack in NI with our names on the deeds would we all get NI citizenship?
No you would be a Brit living in Northern Ireland, Sorry but you need to be born in the island of Ireland to get an Irish passport(mind you being born in Ireland isn't always enough, I don't fully know the rules on that), or the child/grand child? etc of an Irish citizen.
Apologies if this has been done but it is equally hilarious and terrifying
Sadly that is representative of a lot of our population.
And why a 2nd referendum would be a risky move...
Just watched that James O'Brien clip. When asked what was so terrible in York, the chap explained it was ''the state of everything!'' What does that mean?
I thought the caller was very nebulous.
Given he was born in 1983, and thought we should go back to the 1990’s, I think he just didn’t much like being a grown up.
And under WTO rules we are so rurally ****ed.#
York is pretty much remain
York is pretty much remain
The guy was a very depressing caller.
I wish he had asked
''What have continental Europeans ever done for York??''
athgray
"What have continental Europeans ever done for York??"
Pillaged it mainly, but that was a very long time ago.
I am not sure the Vikings would appreciate being called continental Europeans.
Pillaged it mainly, but that was a very long time ago.
Vikings may have taken York by force, however assimilation led to York becoming an important trading post.
I am not sure the Vikings would appreciate being called continental Europeans.
I don't think the Vikings would have cared about the context or connotations of being called continental Europeans
Listened to that - depressing.
I know he said he was 35 but he sounded about 19. I too however would not trust the uk populous not to vote brexit again given the chance even though they now have concrete evidence that wierdly having your cake and eating it turns out to not be as easy as Bozza would have you believe the first time around.
The Roman’s who founded York I’m sure would be down with being called continental Europeans.
He sounded simultaneously 15 and 70 tbh
mefty
I am not sure the Vikings would appreciate being called continental Europeans.
The Italians did it first. Although to be fair, I don't think they pillaged it. 🙂
It was capital of the future EU Roman Empire for a wee while - if you regard the base of the emperor as the capital.
Anyone else think that Junker looked and sounded like he had been on the sherry from the BBC news clip with T-may, last night?
Plus the old boy was ruffling that blond woman's hair in an over familiar sort of way.... Awkward.
”What have continental Europeans ever done for York??”
Brought huge amounts of cash into the city? Big euro-tourist town. Also hen nights - but they’re mainly Geordie.
I am not sure the Vikings would appreciate being called continental Europeans.
given that the vikings were influential from the Caspian to Northern England, I don't think they've have minded to be honest.
given that the vikings were influential from the Caspian to Northern England,
The vikings who rebranded to be normans were quite fond of the idea of a united Europe.
Plus the old boy was ruffling that blond woman’s hair in an over familiar sort of way….
Typical EU behaviour, will be much better when we are out of it and can go back to restrained non emotional interactions.
TM likes old perv though, she was quite happy to reinstate 2 MP so that they could vote for her.
Anyone else think that Junker looked and sounded like he had been on the sherry from the BBC news clip with T-may, last night?
From other clips I've seen of him, he probably had.
Well known drunk, he's hardly the first - or even first politician - to be so, and won't be the last.
Anyone else think that Junker looked and sounded like he had been on the sherry from the BBC news clip with T-may, last night?
If I had to deal with a confused and inept British Prime Minister asking the impossible, I'd be on the booze too!
Those yellow vests, that's a bit you know, foreign init??
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TM likes old perv though, she was quite happy to reinstate 2 MP so that they could vote for her.
You know what really knarked me about that? It made ****-all difference, she already knew from the whips that she was going to win but not by enough to come out of it looking good, and still decided to bring those 2 back. Just rancid.
10 dicks block an ambulance. What heroes.
One standing there videoing the ambulance they are blocking.
This country is *****d.
Shame Boris's water cannon were scrapped...
Despairing at some of the gammony comments on BBC - apparently we won't need to import our own food, we'll grow our own despite the fact that we import 80% of our food and we need numbers of migrant labour to pick and process it because our ****less natives can't be arsed doing it. Looking forward to rotten cabbage, potato and onion soup already.
Those yellow vests, that’s a bit you know, foreign init??
A bit, gets results though. I was at friends last night and one of them (in dark glasses) sang us his modified version of the Marseillaise, but he sings flat so roped a couple of us into doing it for Youtube for him, I'm on guitar... . He printed a couple of hundred copies for the local manif today with the intention of getting everyone to sing, no news of how it went yet.
Edit: well he made the local press including his lyrics if you flick through the images.
@eduktor I meant for the kippers to be copying I don't think they have translated the mood or support to their am ulance blocking. I hope the police had a word.
Remainers should be wearing their yellow vests and protest by blocking motorways and the city.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46582705
To a surrounded enemy, you must leave a way of escape. - The Art of War
Theresa May has attacked one of her predecessors - accusing Tony Blair of "undermining" the Brexit talks by calling for another referendum.
She called his comments an "insult to the office he once held" and said MPs could not "abdicate responsibility" to deliver Brexit by holding a new poll.
In London last week, Mr Blair said MPs might back a new vote if "none of the other options work".
Labour MPs who back the idea have met cabinet minister David Lidington.
On Thursday about 10 MPs met Mr Lidington, who is Mrs May's de facto second-in-command, to argue for another public vote and make it clear there was no other government plan they could support.
But many senior Labour figures are deeply uneasy about endorsing another referendum.
People are giving her a way out but she is determined to go down fighting
Based on the last couple of weeks, does that make it more likely or not? Hard to tell when black is white, up is down etc.
More likely I think
A second referendum is about the only thing that could easily command a majority in the commons
Well it depends on who is in charge, I can see May flipping before a likely successful no confidence vote in the government as a method of appeasement. Now there is a legal way out it's only give those who are remain less of a desire to accept the shit deal. The hard brexit fans are still a minority however vocal they like to be.
So basically if/when the vote on the deal fails or May refuses to bring it we see what the next steps are.
The important message here is a 2nd referendum is not disrespecting the will of the people or the 1st vote. It's seeking clarification on the direction we go next. No Unicorns, no piles of cash, no fantasies. Just some cold hard facts.
Remember all those Irish jokes?
Looks like they’ll get recycled with a new nationality….
Doubt it. The English would need to be grown up enough to laugh at ourselves again, I don’t think that is the case any more.
Plus, to have jokes made about you often shows a kind of (admittedly paternalistic and patronising) affection. We English are probably just viewed as a bunch of thick twunts who aren’t worth the bother of mocking.
The important message here is a 2nd referendum is not disrespecting the will of the people or the 1st vote.
I think it'd help immensely from a PR perspective if we stopped calling it a second referendum. We had a second referendum in 2016, this will be the third.
We English are probably just viewed as a bunch of thick twunts who aren’t worth the bother of mocking.
From various friends/acquaintances living across Europe or who have been on holiday in Europe recently, it seems to be that we're viewed as a bunch of thick twunts who should be mocked mercilessly for being so unbelievably stupid.
Britain's standing in Europe is at an all time low. It might be helpful if some of that could reach the ears of TM but she'd probably just say "let me be very clear on this, Brexit means Brexit" like a malfunctioning robot.
From various friends/acquaintances living across Europe or who have been on holiday in Europe recently, it seems to be that we’re viewed as a bunch of thick twunts who should be mocked mercilessly for being so unbelievably stupid.
Genuinely - please thank them for at least considering us worthy of mockery. If the shoe was on the other foot, I think my reaction would be “Oh, them. They’re just a bunch of tossers, I wouldn’t bother about them”.
So 30k a year for a 5 year visa for skilled workers or only 1 year visa for low skilled worker and not allowed to come back for a year.
It means I probably wouldn't be able to come and live back in the UK.
It means I probably wouldn’t be able to come and live back in the UK.
And as some who voted leave would say - Job Done!
It's a right mess and will hurt the UK a lot.
how many nurses and care workers are on 30k ?
You seem to be thinking there is logic behind this Chris
LOL - I was just about to post that same link