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Well they were looking to target people who would respond to and share emotive bollocks dressed up as fact, "muh animal rights" seems to root these types out quite quickly on social media.
Little update on our visit to hospital here in Austria, my wife was in hospital for 4 days, had a rod inserted through her arm, received fantastic care.
Here’s the view from the hospital balcony!
Her EHIC card was out of date so we had to get a temporary one emailed through, the cash desk hadn’t received that so initially the bill came to just under €5000, once they had the temp EHIC card the bill was €47.
Better check that travel insurance when we take back control.
Finally some good news!
After weeks of scaremongering, a British firm has been given the contract for printing ration books.
(pinched from HIGNFY site)
Yes but have they got blue cover ?
No, they will have an orangey/brown or green cover just like they used to have when Britain was great.
I hope that new powdered egg factory is going to staffed by the best of British?!
At least we can stop wearing budgie smugglers
Union Jack shorts and British Bulldog tattoos only from now on
Re: The bbc article linked to above:
More nonsense from channel4 as well:
https://order-order.com/2018/07/27/channel-4-news-admit-no-evidence/
Guido fawkes, the ultra right wing website? Lol!
I'd take anything on there with a pinch of salt, it's a spam fest, just look at it 😉
Yep the Guido defence is fairly suspect and desperate!! Fun to see them squirm a little, they probably know who's most in the shit
The reasoning on those Guido fawkes links is hard to follow. I think it looks dodgy. The very short 4 second statement that they run with, about no evidence of mercenary activity looks clearly like there is more to the statement or context is missing.
The very short 4 second statement that they run with, about no evidence of mercenary activity looks clearly like there is more to the statement or context is missing.
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, I've never seen people do that before 🙂
Worth watching the channel 4 reports on the delightful Aaron Banks that they’ve been showing all week. He’s dodgier than a dodgeball team from Dodge City.
Any politician with a shred of integrity wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole. But then when it comes to words like integrity.....
All that does for people like Banks is up their value - until they get caught.
I know perhaps we don't scrutinize our mainstream press enough, but to going to sites like this isn't always healthy. If a C4 investigation concluded that the Earth was round people would be into sites like this for reports to the contrary.
Hang on… why do Facebook have the ads? If there was no intention of running them? I'm curious now…
And a special section from the South African police are investigating something … but that isn't newsworthy because … why? Because C4 news don't know all the details of the investigation? Right…
A recommend twitter thread, for those still "meh" about the relevancy of the Facebook stuff:
https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1022892244649562112
Great summary of latest on brexit negotiations
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/27/brexit-eu-may-raab-johnson-food-barnier
Thus Theresa May’s grim avant garde theatre cycle continues. Waste time getting an agreement on an idea that has already been rejected by the EU. Take it to the EU. Get rinsed; repeat. On Thursday, Barnier explained that attempts to appeal to EU leaders over his head were a waste of time. On Friday, Theresa May was in Austria to attempt to appeal to EU leaders over his head
Meanwhile....
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1022794007825580032?s=19
Your future looks Raabish.
I recommend tinned goods, an electric fence, two rottweilers and a shotgun. 😲
What happens when we leave and the whole "fall back on WTO" goes tits-up because one country wants to negotiate our shoe lace export tariffs, do we still export shoe laces during the negotiations or do we end up with a shoe lace mountain until a deal is agreed 18 years down the road?
We have to agree our WTO tariffs apparently, bit like a trade deal.
We have to become a Most Favoured Nation and there are already objections from Canada New Zealand and the USA particularly around subsidies for Farmers.
Its not straight forward or quick.
Its another Brexiteer myth
A perfect summary of the reality of this impending disaster
https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1022981237395402752
Sooner we are out the better. All this uncertainty is bad for business, and only exacerbates the mental well-being of those people scared of change.
As recent polls continue to show, the general public are disillusioned with the governments handling of Brexit. What should have been a straight forward plan of leaving the EU, has now been allowed to be complicated and distracted by big business who make their profits off the back of cheap labour; politicians concerned about the gravy train coming to an end; the loony-left wingers who appose anything democratically voted for, and a sizeable number of gullible media fed members of the public.
Jesus wept! What's it like, being you?
We have to agree our WTO tariffs apparently, bit like a trade deal...
Its not straight forward or quick.
Yeah, I get that - I was just wondering what happens while we're trying to negotiate trading our various goods and services with 167 other self-interested countries who smell UK-flavoured blood in the WTO waters.
Sooner we are out the better. All this uncertainty is bad for business, and only exacerbates the mental well-being of those people scared of change.
As recent polls continue to show, the general public are disillusioned with the governments handling of Brexit. What should have been a straight forward plan of leaving the EU, has now been allowed to be complicated and distracted by big business who make their profits off the back of cheap labour; politicians concerned about the gravy train coming to an end; the loony-left wingers who appose anything democratically voted for, and a sizeable number of gullible media fed members of the public.
Nice trolling and if you are not trolling - wow
What should have been a straight forward plan of leaving the EU, has now been allowed to be complicated
There red was never a plan just a soundbite
the reality is always more complicated than the idea
if 50% of the democracy is opposed to you then it is always going to be a tough sell.
As for those people who say we voted and need to get over it. This entire process has been brought about by people bitching for the last 30 years. Why didn’t they just get over it? Democracy is fighting all the time for what you believe is right if it is populist or not.
What should have been a straight forward plan of leaving the EU
The Devil is in the detail. Who knew?
Next week - resolving the straight forward plan closing out Middle East peace talks.
and a sizeable number of gullible media fed members of the public.
I was trying to explain irony to my niece the other day. Now I have the perfect example. Thanks!
It's easy to say "straightforward plan" but it's like me saying "I have a straightforward plan to restart this motorbike that hasn't moved for a decade", throwing a 5mm allen key at it, then blaming France when it doesn't start.
Sooner we are out the better. All this uncertainty is bad for business,
It is, but so is walking away from the EU.
You say it should have been straightforward. Why? We've spent the last 40 years integrating everything with the EU, we cannot simply walk away. It's far too complicated.
You seem awfully concerned now about what's bad for business, but you didn't seem to care about that when voting leave, when businesses were telling you then needed to be in.
I'm now of the opinion that non-xenophobes who voted leave simply have absolutely no idea what the EU actually does. So when you're told how difficult this is going to be by people who know, rather than listen, you think you know better and claim they are scaremongering. Then when it proves difficult you'll blame the EU or the government.
It's as if I asked you if it would be a good idea to climb Everest, and you say yes, then I tell you how expensive and difficult it is and you tell me off for complaining.
My kids do this kind of thing. They come up with a plan to do something and I have to explain why it can't be done immediately. You're like my kids, except they actually listen and learn.
Sooner we are out the better.
Absolutely. It's like driving your car at a brick wall, better to get the grisly impact over with as soon as possible, removing all that tremulous uncertainty over whether you should maybe apply the brakes or maybe steer a little bit.
If mooman thinks extraction from the EU was an easy plan made complicated, their in for a shock when we start trade negotiations with other countries afterwards.
This may well be the most disastrous piece of economic self harm ever committed - and every single piece of evidence points to that - SO FOR GODS SAKE GET ON WITH IT!!!
It's just so darned complicated.
Leave the EU?
But stay in the Single Market, Daniel says so. And certainly not join the EEA, but perhaps join EFTA? Or just leave all of them? Which of these options did the 52% want? "Leave means Leave" is just meaningless.
Sooner we are out the better. All this uncertainty is bad for business, and only exacerbates the mental well-being of those people scared of change.
I think you mean "Sooner we stop all this Brexit nonsense the better. All this uncertainty is bad for business".
Please don't stop Brexit i want to see the great unwashed doffing their caps to Master Rees Mogg "ont way down pit" while " taking the bairn for his first shift"
They all deserve each other.....
Sooner we are out the better. All this uncertainty is bad for business, and only exacerbates the mental well-being of those people scared of change.
As recent polls continue to show, the general public are disillusioned with the governments handling of Brexit. What should have been a straight forward plan of leaving the EU, has now been allowed to be complicated and distracted by big business who make their profits off the back of cheap labour; politicians concerned about the gravy train coming to an end; the loony-left wingers who appose anything democratically voted for, and a sizeable number of gullible media fed members of the public.
And the prize for most obvious troll of 2018 goes to.......
If that’s not a troll, and is actually what you think, then it’s time for lab coat with the suspiciously long sleeves and the room with mattresses on the walls, and the floor, and the ceiling.
Crackers.
Can we sort world peace next ?
it's not often we get a relative privation thrown into the mix
Hmmm So this ‘Change’ thing that people are so scared of,tell me what exactly will change ?
Should probably add and why it should be good 🙂
Hmmm So this ‘Change’ thing that people are so scared of,tell me what exactly will change ?
Well the UK has a problem with obesity, this change should help by reducing the available calories.
We also have an issue with air pollution, the inability for aircraft to fly and the rationing of fuel should make some inroads into this issue.
Ahh… the second person making the obesity joke. Please don't. The health of kids is genuinely at risk here… make fresh food more expensive/rare and most people's diet will become worse. And that's before USA steps up the pressure as regards food standards.
I think you missed the joke, it wasn't a serious point about obesity just as it wasn't serious about air pollution....
All I have read is excuses and potential problems to not change/do things differently.
You people must always look at your glass as half empty ... I really do pity your sorry depressing lives.
mooman, I bet you **** a brick when you were told that the population of Turkey was marching on your country, or panicked when you thought a Bulgarian violent criminal was coming for your job.
I, like millions of other around the country were keen to see people from Europe freely coming here to live and work, and also to allow us to do the same in other countries. We liked the institutions we were part of and the freedoms and rights enshrined within them.
You and millions of others have ended this possibility, and should not be allowed to forget it.
I have a theory that human beings would perform better without having a head on their shoulders, which generally just gets in the way anyway.
I've asked for volunteers to test my theory, by lopping off their head with a big axe to see how they get on
Unfortunately, All I get is excuses and potential problems to not change/do things differently.
These people must always look at their glass as half empty … I really do pity their sorry depressing lives.
Mooman, I have never posted on here before rather just been reading the thread from time to time and despairing at some of the arguing and name calling but also looking for valid arguments and points of view. I am definitely heavily on the remain side but want to know the upsides of what looks inevitable. So can you let me know
- what are the things you hope will change
- and what do you think should be done differently?
I should also say why I think remaining would have been a much better idea, but I am interested to know what will replace these advantages and why leaving the EU will be better:
- freedom of movement (for me and more importantly my children)
- larger trading block, no need to negotiate individually with every country around the world
- easy trading with geographically close neighbours
- environmental and personal protections in European law
At the moment I am sorry to say my EU glass feels less than half empty and it has me very worried for the future. Not particularly for me, I am well enough off and have my own business, but for society in general I don't see it going well. So convince me.
I am feeling as much let down by name calling remainers as brexiters. Calling people gammon and stupid however much you disagree with their viewpoint is extremely counterproductive and meaningless.
Rob
Calling people stupid is stupid.
It's becoming more and more difficult to avoid though, as time goes by, and questions that many of us asked BEFORE the referendum still haven't been answered, by anyone, but still the same trite is parroted. Details matter. Nothing of importance has been addressed yet. It's getting close to "bonfire of the insanities", or "delay, fumble and mumble" come next March. No workable plan for anything else, from anyone, in the UK. Let's face it… It's either SM or FTA to replace EU membership, and planning needs to start 2 years ago, after we decide which we want. Nothing decided. Nothing planned. No transformation projects in place. Glass half full of nothing.
All I have read is excuses and potential problems to not change/do things differently.
Go on then what do ‘you’ want to do differently ?
I’m not disagreeing with you, I really loathe the way this has played and it just shows what muppets we have in power.
Go on then what do ‘you’ want to do differently ?
The flaw here is you are trying to be rational to irrational people. That time is over.
They are not to be reasoned with, they are to be fought against.
They are not to be reasoned with, they are to be fought against.
Bit late. They won.
Carry on screaming at the sky if it makes you feel better.
There is a tiny minority of very rich and thoroughly unpleasant headbangers who ‘won’
The rest of us?
We’ve all lost, big time! The only difference is that some of us (say 48%) are horribly aware of it. The rest are about to get one hell of a rude awakening
We don't need to eat American chlorinated chicken. We have a surplus of the home grown headless variety.
Leavers do most of the shouting, it is hilarious.
The louder you shout, the more you can drown out the ominous sound of aproaching reality, and a day of reckoning
Bit late. They won.
Carry on screaming at the sky if it makes you feel better.
As has already been pointed out on this thread, it's rather daft to suggest remainers give up and accept things when the anti-EU lot did the exact opposite for 40 years. When we leave, it'll just turn around and the remainers will campaign to re join.
And they'll have every right to do so, the exact same rights the leavers had to campaign to leave.
Worth a read through this article about Tommy Robinson, and the internet campaigners from all over the word supporting him, with reference to involvement in the Leave campaign.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/tommy-robinson-free-tommy-twitter-data
My sister in law posted a pro brexit rant the day after the vote, I cut n paste it in here,
Did wonder where she got such bizarre ideas fron
https://twitter.com/C4Ciaran/status/1023321024971124741?s=19
Have we done Gove and Bojo meeting up with Bannon.
Does this mark the beginning of the end of the Conservative party as we know it?
No, tell me more.
Then again it’s not too daft to expect the regular Remoaners on this thread to be crying that they think their life is over for another 40 years ...
The system has not worked for the majority the last 40 years, and things were looking to get worse; the Remainers knew the EU had to change, but they had no plan on how to do it; so the majority voted for change ... it’s as easy to understand as that.
Then again it’s not too daft to expect the regular Remoaners on this thread to be crying that they think their life is over for another 40 years …
Agreed,however the issue is that the EU served as a useful scapegoat and enforced certain minima. Your about to see what the Tories really want unleashed, and it certainly isn't what the majority voted for.
Interesting article in today’s Observer, on the unholy alliance taking shape between Steve Bannon and Tommy Robinson, and by the looks of it the arch-opportunist Boris Johnson. They really do see Brexit is the beginning of a right wing coup
Another mooman post lacking any kind of substance? What a surprise.
Most leavers struggle to get right what the eu actually did or how it impacted life in the UK.
The system has not worked for the majority the last 40 years
How did 'the system' not work?
If the Remainers didn't have a plan, what about the Leavers' one - they've had two years and spent billions and they still can't come up with something workable. Meanwhile the EU economies continue to move ahead as we head back to the 70s.
Worth a read through this article about Tommy Robinson, and the internet campaigners from all over the word supporting him, with reference to involvement in the Leave campaign.
S'funny - I'm old enough to remember the internet campaigners from all over the world who supported Julian Assange. You know, back when he was a left wing hero rather than a key player in the Trump-Russian collusion illusion.
As has already been pointed out on this thread, it’s rather daft to suggest remainers give up and accept things when the anti-EU lot did the exact opposite for 40 years. When we leave, it’ll just turn around and the remainers will campaign to re join.
And they’ll have every right to do so, the exact same rights the leavers had to campaign to leave.
I agree completely - fair's fair after all - so its agreed, you can have another vote in 40 years, yeah?
The system has not worked for the majority the last 40 years, and things were looking to get worse; the Remainers knew the EU had to change, but they had no plan on how to do it; so the majority voted for change … it’s as easy to understand as that.
The majority have been told for years that it doesn't work when the reality is that, by and large, the opposite is true and it is our successive governments who have failed. However, the majority were led up the garden path for the self-serving aims of the minority (Reese-Mogg, Johnson, etc. the working mans friends...)… it’s as easy to understand as that.
It is a shame that you can't see or understand it, but you will feel the negative effects soon enough. And then you will feel cheated, robbed and angry and have no one to blame but yourself.
I don't resent the majority of leavers, I pity them for their inability to observe, digest and understand what is going on and act in a rational manner.
Hello ninpoop.
Transporting your whataboutery here to see if it will get traction?
Good luck with that.
I think most people had Assange down as a self-publicising charlatan from the off Ninfan.
Did you have a point?
I think most people had Assange down as a self-publicising charlatan from the off Ninfan.
Ah, just the gullible leftie nutters then:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/12307023966240768
You’re using Jezza as the benchmark of opinion?
And this is relevant to Tommy Robinson, Bannon and Brexit, how exactly?
Here comes the inevitable irrelevant attempt at distraction… starting to think Ninfan is actually a pro troll, not just a… [ self-censored to prevent post being deleted and another warning issued ]