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Anna Soubry;
I have NO doubt, Jacob Rees Mogg is running our country.
Blimey.
She absolutely lashed him on R4 just now. Sounded a touch unhappy.
Not really helped by the media. You would sometime think that Rees Mogg was the only MP they could talk to and gets a disproportionate amount of air time. Just as Farage did pre-referendum and he wasn't even an MP.
Wonder why that could be ?
Largely because he’s the elected leader and spokesperson for the eurosceptic wing of the party (The ERG)?
If only "no deal" meant we stay in the EU. JRM et al cant lose as it is.
Perhaps all these euro skeptics could get together and form a party of their own.... Maybe then they could agree what they want.
Shame on Brandon Lewis, truly shocking.
Darren Grimes. Just another nasty little incel revelling in the squalid far right circle jerk. A lot of the recent nonsense with trump and brexit can be attributed to bitter little men who can't get their leg over.
Interesting interview with a Dutch MEP on Radio 4, who was quite diplomatic despite no doubt looking on at this with complete incredulity
He pointed out that while all this nonsense is going on here, the Dutch have recruited and trained over 1000 new customs officers in anticipation of the upcoming carnage.
Does anyone think that such practicalities have even entered the vacuous moronic heads of the Brexiteer hardliners? Of course it bloody hasn't! They don't have any answers or solutions. They're just wreckers!
His use of language was also interesting. He pointed out that in Brussels they don't recognise the phrase 'Hard Brexit'. They instead refer to it by a more accurate name... 'Chaotic Brexit'
Perhaps all these euro skeptics could get together and form a party of their own
Its interesting that the threat of a no confidence vote seems to have worked by making some pro EU tories back down. Whereas on the other side the brexit mob are happily threatening exactly the same and only havent done so since the Maybot is dancing to their tune.
On the Labour side Kate Hoey is great. Her response to her local party starting to mumble about getting rid of her is that she represents her constituents first. That would be a constituency that voted heavily in favour of remain.
Little Bo **** to make a 'resignation statement' to the commons this afternoon, according to Sky.
Knives are coming out.....
https://news.sky.com/story/johnson-resignation-speech-could-signal-another-leadership-bid-11440292
Interesting interview with a Dutch MEP on Radio 4,
I heard this as well.
All our government seem to do is repeat contradictory nonsense and blame the EU, whilst other countries are actively preparing for the worst.
Perhaps Teresa May knows that, when push comes to shove, the remainers by their nature, are not rash and self-destructive, whereas the Berxiteers are effectively just suicide bombers who'd happily bring down the government without a second thought, no matter what carnage that unleashed on the country.
You simply cannot reason with these people. Rationality or compromise has no place in their warped worldview.
Imagine being in her position? Imagine having to deal with these fundamentalist lunatics on a daily basis?
no wonder she wants to go on holiday early
Little Bo **** to make a ‘resignation statement’ to the commons this afternoon
Maybe he is resigning as MP after failing to apply to Acoba for his Telegraph job. That would require some integrity though.
I was going to say I cant see him putting the knife in since the maybot is dancing to the brexit mobs commands but then again I doubt he gives a toss about brexit beyond his own personal gain so who knows.
France too, is recruiting 100s of new customs officers & Calais port authority have bought up extra land for lorry checks.
EMA vote loss is a conundrum for May, legally bound now to stay in an association only open to EU or EEA members & overseen by ECJ.
Mogglodytes amending Vat collection position from chequers, changes substance so Bercow will now refer it to Lords, where it will get pummeled.
Of course tory mps probably wilt again when it comes back.
Ultimately if we crash out with no deal Mogg & ERG will be squarely to blame, which will provide some schadenfreude amid the shitshow
In Boris's head he's imagining his speech will something that will go down in history, upstaging the Geoffrey Howe speech that brought down Thatcher
In reality it'll just be the usual, needlessly verbose, self-serving verbal diarrhoea that always streams out of his gob
****!!!
LyingBloHard resignation?
Dont give me hope.
So, that leaves his two years as a Business Analyst for the Government no closer to any deals or proposals for trade with countries outside of the EU?
That man out to be brought before the stocks and pelted with shit, never mind rotten fruit.
Go ****ing riddance if this story is true.
He can go sod off to his brothers massively profitable Investment Bank and create all sorts of chaos with private money for a change.
https://news.sky.com/story/johnson-resignation-speech-could-signal-another-leadership-bid-11440292If the Cowardly Lion really wants to own this mess, why not let him?
I'm guessing it's still 'not the right time' for him to be our glorious leader. 🙂
Wahoo, wartime rationing next - just as British food and produce was starting to pick itself up from the decades df post wartime shitty processed food and lose it's reputation as europes shittiest countrty for food.
Wonder if all those working class chav mothers voted for formula milk shortages.
While I'd love to see Boris launch yet another leadership bid, as he'd lose it by a mile, find out how despised he actually is with the Parties MP's who'd decide it, while probably destroying the Tory party in the process, this really isn't the time. I can't imagine you could possibly pick a more destructive time to have one
Not that that, or any other consideration, would ever enter the narcissistic ****s head!
He really is just a pathetic bargain basement Trump
Maybe it's going to be a humble apology for the illegal spending when he was part of the Leave campaign?? LOL.
Ultimately if we crash out with no deal Mogg & ERG will be squarely to blame, which will provide some schadenfreude amid the shitshow
Only if they get held accountable. My money would be on them using the situation to profit from though. Its part of why they are being the string pullers at a distance rather than actually being in a position where they can be held truly accountable.
Wonder if all those working class chav mothers voted for formula milk shortages.
Wow.
Logic and reason went out of the window a long time ago.
The campaign of misinformation has continued.
This links heavily to a fake news site politicaluk.com
Why edited, HH? Link not as you thought, or have they got to you too?
Consensus here at Slow Towers is that MPs should sit with their fingers in their ears yelling "la, la, la".
https://iea.org.uk/publications/freedom-to-flourish/
This is the thinktank that is influencing the leading brexiteers - they want to cut things like the working time directive, REACH chemical regulations, GMO labelling etc.
If BloHard resigns doesn’t that lead to a by election in his constituency??
Binners - is there some kind of IEA watch or counter think tank?
https://iea.org.uk/?s=&fwp_paged=3
The amount of complete horseshit that the are churning out is really quite outstanding, these contributors need to be singled out, kept an eye on and refuted with the same or a greater level of cohesion than they are showing.
It's his resignation as Foreign Sec I believe.
He's not going to resign as an MP. He's going to torpedo May so he gets a shot at the leadership, like the self-serving mop that he is
Shall we play Boris Bullshit Bingo?
I'm going with
1. Brexit Betrayal (5 times)
2. Will of the People (4 times, minimum)
3. Global Britain
4. Halcyon Days
5. take our place on the world stage
Lions roaring.
6. Weak and wobbly
7. Capitulation
8. Taking back control
9. In office but not in power - sorry, now I'm just reminiscing!
Last one has been used already in PMQs
Five rebels away from a general election...Tick tock...
Wonder if all those working class chav mothers voted for formula milk shortages.
Yeah... care to explain that one?
10. Empire
11. Churchill
12. White cliffs of Dover
13. We'll meet again
14. 1966
15. 1945
16. Fudge
also shockingly a DUP MP has been caught up in a corruption scandal (I know can heradly believe it myself)
Ian Paisly banned from HOC for 30 days for ilegally taking bribes from sri lankan government (I gues Liam fox wasnt available)
So May is 1 vote down for crucial brexit votes after the summer
17. Honorable Thing
18. For the People to decide
19. Back the PM (wildcard entry there)
The self serving child will have some way to go to beat the Donald here but I reckon hi might have a go.
20. If it falls to me to start a fight to cut out the cancer of bent and twisted journalism in our country with the simple sword of truth and the trusty shield of British fair play, so be it. I am ready for the fight. The fight against falsehood and those who peddle it. My fight begins today. Thank you and good afternoon.
Yeah… care to explain that one?
The middle class ones will still be able to afford it and were more pro-union, or could at least afford not to care if they weren't.
Also, I'm an arsehole. I guess a bit of soft eugenics would help stop us getting into these messes in the first place.
Also, I’m an arsehole. I guess a bit of soft eugenics would help stop us getting into these messes in the first place.
Education and accurate information rather that innuendo and blatant lies might help too.
You need to be clever or educated enough to recognise lies, propaganda and misinformation in the first place. Unfortunately, the part of the population that isn't clever enough to work it out for themselves - also shows complete contempt for the value of the "liberal elite" teachers and education services - the product of the Pink Floyd "Another Brick in the Wall" generation of cockwombles.
He really is just a pathetic bargain basement Trump
Trump is the bargain basement, Boris is more Poundland!
a bit like most governments for the past 30 years, from what i can tell.
x post: my comment WRT contempt for teachers and education.
a bit like most governments for the past 30 years, from what i can tell.
x post: my comment WRT contempt for teachers and education.
People get the government they deserve, everyone's happy to round on teachers and education - whilst the upper-middle classes don't feel as though they have any skin in the game as the kids go to private.
So who gives a ****!! Whilst the working classes don't care about state education out of ignorance and some kind of collective depression, the upper-middle classes and upper classes don't care either! So that leaves all the lower-middle class people, who are then split between lefties and aspirational tory voters who also hate the state education system.
How utterly bizarre, and apparently ignorant of the facts, were the results of last nights Commons vote?
So, we 'must' now remain part of the EMA? Hooray!
Well, no. EMA means EFTA/EEA, which means four freedoms.
So, when it comes down to it, membership of the EMA will be sacrificed as an unworkable 'nice to have'.
I still don't see any realistic alternative to a no-deal Brexit.
People get the government they deserve
Totally agree. I've pretty much had enough of people complaining how shit things are only for them to keep voting for tory governments and things like brexit. Many of us who are fortunate enough to be insulated from any economic shocks will not have much sympathy when those at the bottom start howling about their jobs disappearing and their cheap goods getting more expensive. There's long been a connection between the liberal middle classes and the working class in that many in the middle classes started with nothing and worked their way up. They were more than happy to contribute to help others do the same but I fear brexit may have broken that understanding. The result will be further class division and entrenchment, and ultimately greater suffering for those at the bottom.
The working classes don’t care about state education
Not sure on that. Back when I was a kid it was drilled into me that doing well at school was the only chance I had of doing well in later life. Trouble is now that's no longer the case, you can do well, get a degree, and still have a high chance of being in a minimum wage job.
I grew up in a rural east midlands area DazH, in the comp that I went to - no one gave a shit and the parents didn't give a shit either - kids who worked hard were openly bullied by the 90 percent who didn't care.
My parents experience of teaching in state also heavily contrasted with their experiences of teaching in private schools, sure there were snotty parents who would sometimes complain in the latter, but complaints made at state schools were invariably because a parent was upset that their badly behaving and abusive child was reprimanded.
Not sure on that. Back when I was a kid it was drilled into me that doing well at school was the only chance I had of doing well in later life. Trouble is now that’s no longer the case, you can do well, get a degree, and still have a high chance of being in a minimum wage job.
Only if you go and study English or another bullshit degree - there's a huge shortage of Computer Science and STEM graduates who can earn a **** tonne in the tech and financial world. You don't even need that brilliant of a degree to earn good money off the bat in tech. A mate of mine graduated with a 2:2 in CS from a middling university and ended up on 40k in London within 6 months of leaving uni.
Just don't be an idiot when picking your degree - English and History is for rich kids unless you get into Oxbridge.
Personally, I think we should be sending our state kids on 1 year educational exchanges with the ****ing Peoples Republic of China to drill what kind of world we are now living in, into them.
Depending on your outlook you might want different things following the Boris “speech”
if you want a head Brexit and disarray you most likely want May to turn round and say nuts to the lot of you I’m out... there would be no time for a real negotiation and the Tory’s would be in war.
If you want a softer transition having someone at the front less crazy and seemingly willing to take the crap and be a scapegoat you probably want her to stay
If there is a GE it would be an odd campaign as no one wants the victory. Can you imagine the self sabotage and the debates 😀
The middle class ones will still be able to afford it and were more pro-union, or could at least afford not to care if they weren’t.
Gotcha, I shall retract my neck, thought you were having a go at folk who use formula 😉
Can anyone see the UK leaving the EU with any kind of deal? Every day it seems another obstacle appears and thwarts Mays Brexit plan. The rest of the world must be looking at the UK and thinking "What on earth are you lot playing at."
I truly despair!
How utterly bizarre, and apparently ignorant of the facts, were the results of last nights Commons vote?
As exemplified by
1. Patten Amendment from EU Withdrawal Bill, means -
Illegal to bring about changes to Irish border which “feature physical infrastructure including border posts or checks and controls” or any lessening of cooperation “provided for by Belfast Agreement”
And
2. The Mogg/DUP Amendment to Customs Bill
Makes it unlawful for Government to allow N Ireland to be part of separate customs territory to Great Britain, as suggested in EU draft backstop agreement - no customs border in Irish Sea
As as I read it the first one says there cannot be border controls- physical or electronic. The second one says that NI cannot be a special area with a border in the sea.
So bye bye WTO and magic customs agreement? It’s like retards spamming keys and screaming at each other. All I can hope for is that the HoL actually read it point out all the contradictory parts and send it back down
Nope. We are going to crash out. See Cornholios post above, that is truly dire.
Stock up on canned and dried foods and buy a crossbow people.
Sanity will prevail and it will get cancelled. Though the EU may extract a heavy price for that.
What happens on the morning of a No Deal?
Is there anyway the country won't grind to a halt and a financial crash?
Will flights start to be withdrawn before we leave?
Do we put troops on the NI border?
Will there be troops on the mainland?
Weve seen what an inch of snow can do to this country.
Things could properly kick off if there's even a hint that the supermarkets are out of food.
I think certain people will be in hiding on the glorious day of freedom.
Sanity will prevail and it will get cancelled. Though the EU may extract a heavy price for that.
Agree. The EU wouldn't let it happen just to teach us a lesson. It may be the time when a lot of people realise the EU are not as bad as they thought when they stop the country from harming itself. Most probably won't notice it and just keep asking when the dirty foreigners are being kicked out of the country..
I wonder if thecaptain might be correct.
Interesting polling on stay in EU -v- no deal today.
Igm - what are the numbers then?
I think certain people will be in hiding on the glorious day of freedom.
More likely they'll be at their second or third homes in Tuscany or Ardeche
Nothing will happen on the day and it'll be spun that "look everything is fine". Things will likely change fairly quickly after that and we'll be totally unprepared.
Sanity will prevail and it will get cancelled. Though the EU may extract a heavy price for that.
I completely disagree. I think we will be out as a strange third country paying huge amounts to be part of the medical, safety and security services that used to be club benefits. FOM will go. Customs will transition to a weird fee paying system and everything will be more expensive
Agree. The EU wouldn’t let it happen just to teach us a lesson. It may be the time when a lot of people realise the EU are not as bad as they thought when they stop the country from harming itself. Most probably won’t notice it and just keep asking when the dirty foreigners are being kicked out of the country..
Then we have a stab in the back myth and a far right political insurgency.
Great.
What happens on the morning of a No Deal?
run on the banks, release of ration cards, no flights, ports collapse, shelves start to empty because of panic buying, soldiers on the streets, looting, curfews, lay offs, power cuts. I can also see MPs being given armed guards to prevent retributions.
It has the potential to get very messy very very quickly. I think that the direction of travel will be clear early next year and it might be worth looking at booking a holiday for the end of March next year, just in case.
What worries me is that will still be about a year away from getting permanent residence for my wife, hopefully we both won't lose our jobs. But if we do, I'll be moving to Makati and never coming back.
I think it's ****ing mental that we could potentially face more food insecurity than in the Philippines.
It’s the will of the people innit.
god knows what will happen but it won’t be pretty and a lot of people are going to suffer.
if it all works out fine then I will happily hold my hands up and say “fair play I got that wrong”
If it is the disaster I fear it will be then the likes of Farrage JRM Boris Banks etc should be brought to account
I think it’s **** mental that we could potentially face less food insecurity than in the Philippines.
I think we've always potentially faced less food security than in the Philippines. Whatever food security is.
At least we'll have about 20k to 30k saved by then - will be enough to survive a couple of years in the Philippines even if we didn't have work - but the financial sector there is flourishing, so the wife will be okay. That or we will go to Singapore or she may get to transfer to the Swiss headquarters.
It would just be really nice to have the stability of both of us having the same passport, it's taken us almost 8 years of hard work since we met at uni to get to this point.
I don't really want to live in a country where we need an armed driver and an armoured car, as much as I love that insane country.
Graham - 55-45 for remain, continuing the steady (if bumpy) decline in support for leaving that we have seen since the high point of 64% leave back in 2012
20% less support for leave than 6 years ago. Even with all the Brexy press disinformation, dodgy campaigning and (alleged) Russian support.
Stunning.
I don't subscribe to the idea that polls of 'leave' sentiment in 2012 are that relevant to the likely outcome of a second referendum. 55-45 could easily be one of the polls in the run-up to the 2016 referendum itself, so is no real guide to things changing as the reality of brexit dawns on folk.
If a second referendum was called, Leave would be able to again campaign hard on the idea of 'betrayal' by politicians, arguably even more powerful than their messages in 2016. Remain would be campaigning again on the status quo. A current margin like that does not indicate an easy win for remain.
Sadly, I think it will take direct experience of 'a few bumps' as no-deal Brexit was described by some idiot on the radio this morning to bring about wholesale change in attitude. The past couple of years, if anything, will have hardened anti-EU and anti-politician sentiment.
Remain would be campaigning again on the status quo.
Leave would say Remain would be campaigning on the premise that the country could not make it alone any more and that anyone who now votes remain is giving up on Britain and we would be a puppet state.
it is too late to back down now without some kind of massive changes to our political system
Remain would have an almost impossible task, although I guess they could just bullshit like the Leave campaign did and make wild promises about all the things we could negotiate with the EU if we promised to remain.
Would the EU be prepared to make some sort of token concession as a 'thanks for not leaving'? Would set a precedent though, any country that wanted a sweetener could just hold a massively divisive, expensive referendum, then spend two years arguing with each other before abandoning the idea if the EU let them make a few of their own laws or give them a slightly bigger patch of the Atlantic to fish in or something...
You can never please the brexiteers anyway. They live in a fantasy-land. Have you listened to the drivel they spout? They’re all insane!
Anything less than having two thirds of the globe back under colonial rule by next summer will be considered a sell out and betrayal, and it’s all everybody else’s fault! Especially the EU!!!
Look at the trend.
Remain would be campaigning again on the status quo.
Remain would have to campaign on the ticket of having been to the edge of the cliff, looked over, and decided it isn't so appealing after all, but at the same time realising that we should be more aware of taking control of specific parts of our sovereignty that we always had but never exercised in the past. I hesitate to say blue passports, as that's a trifle compared to some but it is an example. We could stay in EUR and have blue passports, have a tighter immigration policy, etc. if we want to.
Not status quo - things have to change. But you don't have to cut your head off to cure a toothache.
But who'd trust them to deliver on those changes, given politicians of all colours have shown themselves to be have conniving, backstabbing gits of the least trustworthy sort? And in the end I suspect that gammony faced people shouting WILL OF THE PEOPLE and ENEMIES OF DEMOCRACY!! would still have the better soundbites.
Nope. We're ****ed, it's just whether it's going to be a nicely lubricated gentle ****ing, or Nige and Boris holding us down while JRM goes in dry.
That poll / graph doesn't take into account the BS that the public would be bombarded with.