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We’re completely screwed, aren’t we?
Yes. Realistically the only way out now is partition.
“no more bloody commissioners from bloody Bombay telling us all what to do”
Politics, Populist, population, populus, popularis, idiots.
That's exactly the point. The Leavers won the vote but have lost every single thing since.
It won't affect them of course. Lord Lawson will drift into his dotage in France, Arron Banks will decide that politics isn't for him and will follow his cash via Gibraltar, Tinkerbell Cocksnott will continue being a jobbing journalist at large, Farage will try his hand at presenting news shows on Fox or RT, Jacob Rees-Mogg and Priti Patel will continue to campaign hard for a return to 1953 and it's a safe bet that Boris, Liam, David and Michael will make a mint despite their congenital incompetence.
TG wins the internet with this comment
If we are going to be screwed over by the end result, it will be the half-wit remainers fault.
Coz it's definitely the fault of treasonous remainers & not the bullshitting Brexiiteers or the gammony fools that voted for brexit without checking to see if there was a plan for it first 😂😂😂
Apparently they make wine in Australia and South Africa, and Wetherspoons wishes to introduce us to them. Has anyone tried wine from these continents and are they better than the vinegar that passes as wine from France, Spain and Italy?
That depends entirely upon whether you judge wines from SA and Oz on the basis of the crap wine they export, or the good wine they keep 😉
On Whetherspoons boycotting European (not if if read it right EU) drinks.
I’ve been boycotting Whetherspoons for some time now over the owners idiotic (and frequently contradictory) stance on Europe. (To be fair, it hasn’t really been a hardship.)
I expect my posturing will have as much effect on Whetherspoons as theirs has on the European drinks industry.
Especially as he says he has contracts running several years.
"No move on prosecco"
So full of shit.
One of the many things I've learned since the referendum, is how much "New World" wine enters the EU/UK tariff free, and how low the tariffs are on the rest.
For example Jacobs creek is owned by French firm Pernod Ricard. I am sure there are many more like that.
So...are Weatherspoons going to stop selling Guinness too?
Is there any 100% solid good news?
If we are going to be screwed over by the end result, it will be the half-wit remainers fault.
Well it was the quarter-wit Brexiteers that dragged us down this path...
If we are going to be screwed over by the end result, it will be the half-wit remainers fault.
Yes, because when i see a bus about to be driven off a cliff rather than stand in front of it alerting the passengers of the situation, the correct course of action is to get on board because it's what they want, and therefore it should be what i want too.
There's are clearly halfwits in this situation but i don't think it's me 😉
So to understand - the government made an agreement to do something, and then immediately reneged on it once they'd passed the sticking point that forced the discussion? Not got past history on that, after all, have they. I just hope that the chickens all come home to roost sooner rather than later, before it really is too late.
As to whoever asked whether this is how business negotiates deals? I've done a few in my time and if I relied on 'haha, i had my fingers crossed when i signed so it doesn't count' - I'd be out the door with my arse in my hands faster than you can say 'David Davies'
May has little choice but to try to hold a deeply divided party together, but the parliamentary arithmetic is strongly in favour of Remainers. If the rebels depose May then they won't stand for a Brexiteer becoming the next party leader.
While it's fair to label May as a can-kicker (her time as Home Secretary was noteworthy for her highly successful screw up of the Westminster pederast investigation which is now dead in the water as Brexit requires all available political bandwidth), she's running out of options to sate both sides of her party.
It really shows how desperate May is. And which group she's effectively being held hostage by.
Everyone knew that she'd either lied to the remainers or lied to the Brexinutters. And everyone knew that we'd all know which within 48 hours
And now we know.
So for the sake of buying herself 2 days she's properly pissed off the saner members of her party to placate a bunch of headbangers who will never ever be placated
So I would imagine that having been sold a line, the rebels/traitors/enemies of the people will now feel no inclination whatsoever to go along with any more lies/compramises
The Berxiteers have had no problem at all dealing in blatant lies
I hope this marks the point where the gloves come off and the remainers start playing by the same rules as the lying scheming charlatans they're up against
I have never in 40+ years as a political geek seen a government so divided and so much breifing against ech other and so much public dissent.
It really is unbelievable
and still they have not come up with a proposal that they can agree with let alone one acceptable to the EU
How much longer can they hang on?
Forum to the rescue. I have forgotten the name of the person that caused this calamitous mess.
Died a couple of years ago I think. I can picture thingamyjigs face, or is that a pigs face and his cock and balls?
Looks a bit like a fat Michael Schumacher. Please help it is really annoying!!
I think Mays plan is just to lie to each faction in turn every week until they all just forget what they were arguing over & she can get back to her wheat field.
At this point she has no credibility left to lose so it doesn't matter how dishonest she is, and amongst her cabinet/party/government, it's not as if dishonesty is an impediment to success !
May will just keep alternating her lies to either faction each week, until they forgot what it's about. She has no reputation left to tarnish<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">It's not like dishonesty is an impediment to success in her party, anyway!</span>
Peston's take here
https://m.facebook.com/1498276767163730/posts/2073864526271615/
The overriding priority within the Conservative party is to prevent a damaging split that could damn them to a long period in opposition. Imagine for a moment if the Conservative vote was split between a moderate pro-EU party and a rabidly anti-EU party, this would leave the door open for Labour. That's the nightmare scenario for every Tory leader since Major, who indeed have successfully kicked that can down the road until Cameron had the bright idea of holding a referendum.
If only the party civil war had erupted while they were in opposition.
If we are going to be screwed over by the end result, it will be the half-wit remainers fault.
Brexiters don't like us remainers calling them stupid. How can we not when there are comments like this.
I bet the gammons are like:
But of course. Why shouldn't we just blindly go along with a decision that stands to make many of us poorer simply because?
Its not just the economics - I abhor the overt racism from the leavers.
[quote=TurnerGuy]Remaining in the EEA or customs union is in no way leaving the EU, which is what people voted for,
I'll bet my bike that the vast majority of leave voters - actually, the vast majority of all voters - hadn't even heard of the EEA when they voted. The notion that "we knew what we voted for" is yet another leave lie beyond superficially "wanting out" with no real notion of what they wanted out of. Christ, we're nearly two years down the line and the government still hasn't even clearly defined what we supposedly want yet, let alone made any significant inroads into achieving it. Something that, y'know, might've been useful do before the referendum... 🙄
but the remainers refuse to accept the plainly obvious meaning of the referendum and the result.
The meaning of the referendum was a failed attempt to bring cohesion to the Tory party. The meaning of the result - a 50:50 yes / no result beyond any statistical significance - is that we're a country divided. The sensible thing to do would have been to then try and find out why.
Your concept of "plainly obvious" leaves something to be desired.
If we are going to be screwed over by the end result, it will be the half-wit remainers fault.
Norfolk & Waypal. No way, no how are you pinning the blame on us for this. I said months and months back that when it all started to go properly sideways - as it inevitably will and indeed is - the leavers would try and spin it so that it was anyone's fault but their own.
It is, after all, how we got here in the first place, making Johnny Foreigner a convenient scapegoat for everything the UK government has screwed up both before the referendum and during the subsequent negotiations ("the EU is punishing us!!" etc). In 2017 literally a third of the Daily Express's front pages ran with some sort of anti-EU / anti-immigration / anti-foreigner propaganda.
So no. **** that and the horse it rode in on. You broke it, you pay for it. Grow a set and have the common decency to take some responsibility rather than impotently finger-pointing. The blame lies wholly on corrupt businessmen, incompetent politicians, and many voters who were whipped up into a xenophobic froth and swallowed all the lies. Don't you ****ing dare try to pass the buck onto us now.
I agree..
*applause* Cougar
... and breathe.
*applause x2*
Nicely put Cougar.
Shut up Cougar and get on the bus. They won and we lost remember, so we all have to sit on while the leavers drive us into oblivion. It's called taking back control.
Im loving that 'taking back control'
.................... has led to no one having control as the bus careers along the wrong way up the motorway, with no one steering or having a clue where we are going
+137 *polite applause*
I couldn't have put it any better.
Internal documents drawn up by the European Council show that the bloc is planning what to do “in the event that the United Kingdom is still a member state of the Union” after March.
Hahaha!
Very, very well said Cougar and hits the nail squarely on the head.
Yep Cougars elegantly nailed it ...
You can stay cougar.
Any way this Arron Banks thing has me thinking if you had £9.6m spare would you spend it as a political donation and what would you be after.
I don’t see how if you like money you’d give it away,unless it wasn’t yours or you were getting some quid pro quo.
+1 Cougar!
Any way this Arron Banks thing has me thinking if you had £9.6m spare would you spend it as a political donation and what would you be after.
Probably needs it's own thread that one!!
But to give anyone close to £10m I'd want to make sure I could make it back at least and hopefully make at least 1.5x my investment within the next 2-3 years, after that looking at a lower recurring return.
But the EU has said a withdrawal deal needs to be finalised before October this year
perhaps our glorious leaders shouldnt go on their recess this year.
Any way this Arron Banks thing has me thinking if you had £9.6m spare would you spend it as a political donation and what would you be after.
Depends on where the money was sourced from, probably.
I see the Brexit Dividend is getting wheeled out again. May has no conscience at all.
I see the Brexit Dividend is getting wheeled out again. May has no conscience at all.
But some will believe it, the idea that the money currently exists because of Brexit may be a myth if you have educated yourself. However as most people won't they will believe what they are told.
It is a huge failing of democracy in the UK, no one bothers to actually fact check what they are being told. The main reason why the referendum should never have been called is simply that a huge subset of the electorate would never have bothered doing basic research beyond what they were fed by Dacre, Murdoch etc.
Classic 'tell a lie big enough'.
Sadly many will believe at least some of it.
Hopefully this is really going to piss off the Remain Tories and give them some more grrrrr.
It’s strange how the real Opposition has to come from members of the same party.
It would also be a good time to write to your local Tory mp saying how wonderful it is that the future of your local hospital is saved and ask about what improvements they have planned.
Why waste a vote winning lie thou 🙂
So the magic money trees being shook again at a time of most need 🙂
I like that the torygraph report that this is May's way of uniting the country behind brexit 😂😂
Doubling down on a lie obviously the conservative way
I can tell you that what I'm announcing will mean that in 2023-24 there will be about £600m a week, more in cash, going into the NHS.
Fantasy promises thou.....a lot can happen in 5 years.
Doubling down on a lie obviously the conservative way
Not all Conservatives…
https://twitter.com/sarahwollaston/status/1008283502998179840
And the Labour Party is also lead by liars…
Are they going to repaint the bus with 600 millions instead of 350 ?
Are people really going to fall for it ? How thick do you have to be ?
If (nearly) all the papers, and TV channels, repeat the lies in unison, as do most leading politicians, then yes, of course people will fall for it, in their millions. They don't need to be stupid, just lacking the time and motivation to investigate. This little group of nations is on course to a very dangerous place.
https://twitter.com/chrisgiles_/status/1008216901376512001
(follow his whole thread, as he runs through how all other papers are "reporting" this spun story)
I see the Brexit Dividend is getting wheeled out again.
I've just been looking into this.
NHS annual increases in funding:
Actual average increase for 1948-2018 = 3.7%
Announcement by Theresa May for 2018-2023 = 3.4%
Correct me if I'm wrong, but 3.4 is less that 3.7.
So in effect the Government has announced a below average increase in normal funding dressed up as a genuine improvement, then spun it as a ‘dividend’ from Brexit.
Is that inflation-adjusted?
Otherwise the high-inflation 1970's might skew the numbers.
Read all of Chris Giles' thread… those figures are for inreases above standard inflation, but not adjusted for the far higher medical costs inflation that the NHS is now experiencing. It also takes no account (because it can't) of the extra inflation heading our way if the USA gets the huge increases in drug prices it is pushing for… a key factor in the "desperate times" trade deal we'll be looking to make with USA ASAP.
Another Conservative talking straight…
https://twitter.com/drphillipleemp/status/1008325071075672064
I will say again, that how MPs are handling Brexit has at times surprised me, both good and bad. Some MPs have come across generally as decent people who do mean good, even If I might not agree with their ideas, and others really do some across as self serving scum.
WM and the UK really needs major reform, that much is clear.
^We could start here...
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At least none of the papers are hailing the brexit bonanza.
The mail is blaming the nhs for putting up middle class taxes.
Hopefully this has massively back fired on the soppy cow.
She does seem to be the High Priestess of bad political timing. Even the Leave side have not been pushing the 'Brexit Dividend' too hard of late.
If we have a recession she'd probably claim NHS spend rising as a proportion of GDP as some kind of policy triumph.
At least none of the papers are hailing the brexit bonanza
Unfortunately the Scottish press leapt upon it to declare it a benefit of being in the Union, praising the £2Bn Scotland would receive and completely ignoring the costs of Brexit.
At least none of the papers are hailing the brexit bonanza.
She does seem to be the High Priestess of bad political timing.
I think the most the right wing press have their knives out for her now.
I think the Mail yesterday had something on it. I just left a copy of The European on top of the pile.
Its a shame jambs isn't on here, wonder what his take would be?
https/<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">/twitter.com/SkyNewsPolitics/status/1008668128237113349?s=19</span>
Taking back control, one relinquished benefit at a time...
Meh, that will be met in kind, even as a remainer, Barnier seems to be allowing the EU to spite themselves as well - as they will simply lose access to five eeye intelligence.
Putin must be laughing his arse off. His investment in the campaign was certainly money well spent.
The EU will simply ask for a fee for the UK government join all those agencies.
That Brexit divident is being split quite a lot of ways !
as they will simply lose access to five eeye intelligence
fakenews
Snowden leaks revealved that the USA already share with most European countries individually via the NSAs Foreign Affairs Directorate
Still, Brexit is a massive win for Putin,
Irony is, its Mays foolish red lines & Tory hard brexit that is making us a 3rd country & forcing us onto the back foot here.
The points about data protection & ECJ jurisdiction are the reason that the UK have been shut out of big pan-european drug trials
Its a big headache for pharma & research & exactly what David Davis said wouldnt happen is happening 🙁
Its a big headache for pharma & research & exactly what David Davis said wouldnt happen is happening .
At least he consistent there
Its a big headache for pharma
Pharma usually has a remedy for headaches
As I’m sat in a posh hotel I get to read the Torygraph and get the world as seen through the prism of right wing nut jobs.
They’re calling for the establishment, post-Brexit, of ‘Free Ports’. As anyone who’s read No Logo knows, in places like Myanmar they refer to them as ‘Export Processing Zones’, but most people just refer to them as what they are....
Sweatshops
What the Brexiteers really want. What they’ve always wanted. Worth noting where they’re to be set up.... Liverpool, Hull and Belfast. Not Surrey then?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2018/06/18/free-ports-can-raise-us-mire-brexit/
Funny how the Brexiteers want to erode employment rights even further isn't it?