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Is the EU report on the irish border that Jamby keeps on pushing as solving the problem the same report that the UK govt stated does not present an adequate infrastructure-free solution?
Seems the UK government is now not going to shaft its citizens living in the EU and vice versa, how very noble of them.
Spain said the same but now there is this:
What have you seen on citizens rights? I haven't seen anything recently
yep no checks at Dover and other borders , not sure it complies with WTO rules though .
no checks on the UK side. Plenty at the french side.
yep no checks at Dover and other borders , not sure it complies with WTO rules though .
<div>Two opinions I have come across, either may be right or wrong,</div>
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<div>you can have no border checks but you need to have no border with anyone, ie scrap passport control at all airports....</div>
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<div>or you must have a border to ensure rules of origin etc.</div>
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<div>Either way the UK can have no border but that won't stop the rest of the world imposing them to protect their businesses etc.</div>
“No border” was never a serious option, it’s just indicative of the quality of blether that comes out of the mouths of the govt we are currently blessed with.
no checks at Dover and other borders
I wonder how much this is forced on the government because they've realised they just can't build the infrastructure and hire the people in time, and the costs would do horrific things to the UK budget.
Just imagine what people will think when it turns out we can't afford to build a new hospital or recruit nurses, but we can afford to build customs posts and recruit vets to check livestock, or highly paid Capita consultants to write shonky customs software or...whatever.
Does this mean I can go to Belgium stock up on chocolate and bring it back without being stopped?
Facebook suspends controversial data firm Cambridge Analytica
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43440043
red line may caves in to EU demands.... but we can sign trade deals during the 21 month transition shame they'll take 6-10 years to negotiate 🙂
Good job by the growns ups today , or not ?
Oh I think we can all applaud Teresa’s excellent achievements...so long as our priority is to applaud Teresa at all costs and ignore the reality of what is actually happening, like a good Tory serf.
Just hope some of the spineless ****ers have the guts to vote it down like they keep promising to do. I’m not holding my breath though.
<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">TBH I am struggling o think of an issue where they have moved and one where we have not</span>
hmm.... not strictly Brexit but does suggest something very wrong at the heart of the uk media.
The express readers do seem a little upset
Tomorrow DM front page should be interesting !
cchris2lou
Only on theEU side for not just chucking the whole thing away. this is exactly what we could have had a year ago. The EU have their position based on legal certainty. The tories can either like it or lump it. there was no room for the EU to move on 90% of it. For example creating two classes of EU citizens in the UK - simply not possible for the EU
hmm…. not strictly Brexit but does suggest something very wrong at the heart of the uk media.
the bbc deny "photoshopping" but they are the same image with the hat doctored to look more "russian" and less fisherman which conveys a message when tinted red and plastered over the kremlin.
except that from the image provided it looks like it's just been tinted red all over, rather than the hat specifically being messed with. just look what they've done to the presenter as well, the monsters.
i would imagine that for every image of corbyn in front of the kremlin they've done one of maybot in front of the munster's house.
if you were looking for something to demonstrate bbc bias IMO you need to do better.
Do feel a bit sorry for fishermen, they actually believed that Tories/Brexiters have a crap about them.
Even moggys half arsed flapping looks forced these days.
Ruth Davidson now bricking it that all those gains in scotland are history
if you were looking for something to demonstrate bbc bias IMO you need to do better.
Try reading the link mrmo posted then. Oh, and using your eyes. That BBC photoshop is frankly outrageous.
i would imagine that for every image of corbyn in front of the kremlin they’ve done one of maybot in front of the munster’s house.
I am rather more interested in what you can demonstrate rather than what you can make up in your own head.
while we get to sign trade deals in the interim?
😎 you have no idea what the deal said do you 🙂
As you are here, Ninfan, could you give some examples of how Britain has so far benefitted from the Brexit process, you know, simple things like companies investing in Britain on the basis of how much cheaper and easier it will be to do business post Brexit. I've looked and failed to find.
yeah, i read the link provided, and TBH i'm unconvinced.
X did not say that this was a general policy of the BBC or that there was some institutional directive to ‘smear’ Jeremy Corbyn.
so someone at newsnight wants sacking for having a laugh? fair enough, these are difficult times. down with this sort of thing!
if you think the image above demonstrates that Jez's hat has been messed with i'd suggest you use your eyes and see if the presenter is looking very clear in the same image. good grief. i'm afraid i find it laughable how those on the right and those on the left 'both' say that the bbc is biased against them. who in favour of, i wonder? the greens?
ninfan - wat have the tories got for their year of posturing and infighting? exactly what was on the table right from the beginning and in the process they have used up a lot of time and a lot of goodwill. and this is only an outline agreement - the legalese still needs to be written for most of it, there are still huge questions over the NI border and "until everything is agreed nothing is agreed"
Ninfan, the way you and the other Retreaters carry on you'd think that we are the skinny kid in the EU playground.
Them nasty Germans are stealing our dinner money.
We are not a skinny kid, we are the big tough guys more than capable of running the playground .
No ,you lot would rather run away back to mummy where she tells you how "special" you are.
You make out like you are some sort of warriors of St George. You are just a bunch of pathetic Retreaters.
I would rather we stood up and took our natural place in Europe as Leaders.
As you are here, Ninfan, could you give some examples of how Britain has so far benefitted from the Brexit process,
We haven’t left yet...
you have no idea what the deal said do you
yes, it says we get to sign trade deals in the interim
...<i> the United Kingdom may <u>negotiate, sign and ratify</u> international agreements entered into in its own capacity in the areas of exclusive competence of the Union...</i>
perhaps comprehension isn’t your strong point?
And that was always going to be no issue. ~Can you tell us what has been gained from the year of pusturing and infighting? This is the deal available a year ago and may has dropped every single red line.
I would rather we stood up and took our natural place in Europe as Leaders.
Your idea of leadership is to be the Captain of the Titanic?
Can you tell us what has been gained from the year of pusturing and infighting?
About as much has been gained from a year and a half of shouting “it was advisory” and “we demand a second referendum”....but enough about the Labour Party.
ps. It appears they’ve decided that to divert you from their posturing and infighting over Europe and worrying about what hat Jeremy is wearing on Newsnight, what you need is a nice bit of Billy Bragg:
So sure the EU is going to fail then?
yes, it says we get to sign trade deals in the interim
And how long do trade deals take ninfan, will any be complete in the next 5-10 years after Brexit?
Your deflection from Edu's actual question speaks volumes about you, but we all know what you're like anyway. Perhaps comprehension of a question is not your strong point.
Let's place bets on how many trade deals are signed during this transition period. What's your estimate, ninfan?
On the trade deal front French journos are talking about a Canada style deal rather than Switzerland or Norway. Have a look at that deal and see how you like it. I can't see the UK getting anything better as I can't see the UK being willing to pay the level of pro-capita payments Switzerland and Norway make.
Here is a nice table from a US perspective, 45 month average isn't so bad but how many do the UK have to complete and with the shitshow of a government and Liam Fox in charge, how much extra time is that going to take? Bets ninfan, how many do you reckon we can do and how long will they take? Does time matter or just the fact we CAN sign agreements make you happy and you don't care how long it really takes?
I expect future trade deals will be signed much more quickly since they are remedial action and not new action. They will be needed to keep existing arrangements going. Whether they will happen quickly enough is yet to be seen. Companies are run by people, and it won't take much for them to think '**** this shit' and shop elsewhere. And those elsewhere competitors will be jumping all over customers of UK companies.
I also don't expect the trade deals to be favourable to us.
Your idea of leadership is to be the Captain of the Titaniic.
More pathetic loser talk.
see if the presenter is looking very clear in the same image. good grief. i’m afraid i find it laughable how those on the right and those on the left ‘both’ say that the bbc is biased against themi find it laughable how those on the right and those on the left ‘both’ say that the bbc is biased against them
I find it funny both sides see bias but what worse is when someone is presented with an image denies its been doctored, tries to say other bits have been doctored and then imagines they do it to everyone
Given the kremiln backdrop its not hard to work out what the image manipulation is for - one does not even need to imagine.
The BBC, the organisation that gave you the Iraq war.
I find it funny both sides see bias but what worse is when someone is presented with an image denies its been doctored,
The lefties didn’t claim it had been “doctored” they claimed the hat had been photoshopped to make it look more Russian
Demonstrably false:
I find it funny both sides see bias but what worse is when someone is presented with an image denies its been doctored,
The lefties didn’t claim it had been “doctored” they claimed the hat had been photoshopped to make it look more Russian
https://twitter.com/JohnClarke1960/status/974766676213420033?
Demonstrably false:
Demonstrably false:
You seriously need your eyes tested
Aye the hats look identical in every way and there is no way to play spot the difference
You used to actually make points rather than just look dumb as you frantically attack " lefties"- Its verging on obsessive compulsive behaviour
Could you at least make decent points or do decent digs as this is very poor on both counts. Where is your mojo dude? Have you lost a muse or something?
I would say try harder but you cannot do that, how about try better to troll?
The UK might leave the EU but it looks more likely that it will still obey EU rules and will pay a higher price for the privilege.
Go Brexit !
Im still chuckling that ninfan thinks we can sign trade deals during the transition
Some very funny brexBrexi flapping about betrayal by Theresa the appeaser on ****ter
You seriously need your eyes tested
You seriously need to click on the link...
The UK might leave the EU but it looks more likely that it will still obey EU rules and will pay a higher price for the privilege.
That’s like saying that having to exit through the gift shop is equivalent to being trapped in the museum
the link where they admit they doctored it - you cannot even do links that support your view anymore
Seriously are you ok?
I don't need to buy anything in the gift shop to exit.
they admit they doctored it
Straw man, you’re the only person who has used the word “doctored” rather than photoshopped.
you might want to recall how upset you got about the exact meaning of “phonetapped” a few months ago 😉
I don’t need to buy anything in the gift shop to exit.
Neither does the UK, hence why Hard Brexit remains an option. Some of us would be happy to just jump out the museum window I’m sure, but doing it to avoid having to go through the gift shop seems excessive, doesn’t it?
Straw man, you’re the only person who has used the word “doctored” rather than photoshopped.
Actually, given that we're talking about the BBC, "doctored" is a more appropriate term: photoshop is of course a brand name - other photographic manipulation software is available.
But back on topic - have you any idea how pathetic you look trying to split hairs on a widely accepted synonym?
As the UK government Is finding out, the jumping out of the Windows options is not the best, maybe the Window is too high and it would hurt too much ?
But back on topic – have you any idea how pathetic you look trying to split hairs on a widely accepted synonym?
They colour washed the picture, nobody altered the hat to make it “look more Russian” the BBC have confirmed this and Petapixel article verifies it.
The corbynistas claim was false, the worst they can claim is that by putting Corbyn next to the Kremlin the BBC were suggesting that someone who:
had a decades long flirtation with totalitarian left-wing regimes,
held closed door meetings with known soviet spies,
had his own agent name with a soviet intelligence service,
took holidays behind the iron curtain and
was employed by Russia Today
Might have a soft spot for the Russians...
The BBC are such beasts 😄
Colour washing makes it look more Russian. It's removed the detail and the result is it looks more Russian. Ask any primary schol kid to take a look but not a politicised adult.
I find your dislike of things Russian bizarre, Ninfan, Brexit was after all a Russian-propaganda-big-data victory.
look can we please get back on topic about how badly the government are doing regards Brexit
Michael Gove just took a pasting in parliament over the betrayal of UK fishing industry as we have now lost our input into EU fishing quotas until 2021 when the next brexit betrayal will kick the fishermen in the nuts
Colour washing makes it look more Russian.
Yeah, that black hat looks so much more black now...
Sorry Comrade, Its putting it on top of a Russian stooge that makes it look more Russian 😉
look can we please get back on topic about how badly the government are doing regards Brexit
We just got closer to Brexit, how is that doing badly?
Michael Gove just took a pasting in parliament over the betrayal of UK fishing industry as we have now lost our input into EU fishing quotas until 2021 when the next brexit betrayal will kick the fishermen in the nuts
LOL, complaining that we won’t have ‘input’ into quotas - which will continue to exist only while we are still in the EU. Oh noes! (instead you should be reflecting on why the EU are making such a big deal of fishing when, according to remainers “the UK doesn’t have any bargaining chips”)
As I said before, what we see is remainers clutching at straws and casting around for upset Brexies who in reality are cheering this latest step in the long walk to freedom all the way 😄
So not only did you not read the deal that May agreed re trade deals, you dont know what we just gave away re fishing rights, either 😎
you can google it (other generic terms for seraching the internet are available)
Weve just agreed to extend our time in the EU until 2021.......
Its all going exactly as the brexies planned right 😉
well engaging with the troll worked just as well as usual - the strangest thing is how proud and pleased he is with himself to type such utter drivel/ lies. I am off to photoshop an image of ninfan he will accept is not doctored. Anyone got a Dunces hat I can use for the process ?
Back to an actual debate Yes Kimbers May capitulated on her red lines yet again,.
I initially thought that image was doctored and that it didn’t look good for the BBC, but looking again I <span style="text-decoration: underline;">think</span> it’s an illusion caused by the horizontal line in the “Russian” picture that intersects just below the crown of the hat? The individual lines on the outline all look the same to me.
Gove & Davidson both insisted leaving CFP during transition was a 'red line' less than a aweek ago!
We have been here before good people of brextannia, don't you worry the Rees Mogg desire for a de industrialised Britain where our tariff free goods will be so cheap you can easily afford a new pair of shoes for the kids out of your benefits/minimum wage.
Tariff free industrial chicken for the masses made in the US of A and our Farmers will sell their mega expensive free range lamb to India by the ship load...(not sure what the Fishing fleet is going to do as that's actually covered by another law but I am sure it's going to be great)
Just think how far that £ will go! and an Aldi and Lidl on every corner, you won't need an expensive German car you can just walk for your shopping.
Just like the 1950s....
They (current govt) are morons but actually I am enjoying the freak show. The bit I am looking forward to the most is when the poor people transition to piss poor people.... for me i shall simply transition from well off to moderately well off (like a lot of people on here) however the Rees Moggs of the world will be able to spread their wealth and increase it exponentially.
It's a brave new world.... makes you think of Sir Francis Drake plundering the globe "pirates of the free trade deal"
well engaging with the troll worked just as well as usual – the strangest thing is how proud and pleased he is with himself to type such utter drivel/ lies.
It’s like the naughty kid at school. Knows full well the attention they’ll get is going to be bad, but it’s attention so they want it anyway.
Tariff free industrial chicken for the masses made in the US of A
Yep, I'd much prefer to stick with good old European food scandals like Horsemeat burgers and pesticide contaminated eggs.
So you want way more food problems that we have no chance of influencing or rectifying?
Good choice there
I'm with Ninfan on this. I think importing lots of cheap food from America is a great idea. It will put countless farmers out of business which will:
- give them time to think about whether Brexit was such a good idea after all
- means I can buy a nice second home in the country side for a knock-down price
- means I can have delicious beef grown in a massive barn spewing out effluent into the surrounding countryside rather than the annoying tough stringy stuff we grow here that's been raised outside in a "field".
Seems like a win all round.
Yep, I’d much prefer to stick with good old European food scandals like Horsemeat burgers and pesticide contaminated eggs.
So bad things can occasionally happen in a heavily regulated market now and then, just imagine how many more new, and more interesting diabolical things can be free to happen if we deregulated from EU standards!
And no one will want to buy anything from us either as we'll be peddling known untrustworthy products.
Yey!
– give them time to think about whether Brexit was such a good idea after all
Not all farmers voted brexit
Also if your eating stringy crap beef then you need to shop better or cook better
...and I suspect the latter
Well I laughed, Oldnpastit.
I don't think Leave voters are.
https://veritasetlibertasdeannolxxxix.wordpress.com/2017/05/30/5/
I have been saying this since about the 3rd page of this thread. Worth a read, if only for the comments afterwards. 🙂
That article is poppycock, the UK has already implemented everything required by the directive and in a number of areas we acted unilaterally years before the directive was even a gleam in the EU's eye. We have been one of the main pushers of this initiative.
Likewise the EU has just announced a disclosure regime for tax schemes, we have had one for over 10 years.
yeah leading the way 😉
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/30/google-tory-battle-protect-30bn-tax-haven-bermuda
That article is poppycock, the UK has already implemented everything required by the directive
Why do we oppose it if we are already doing it and leading the way ?
That you would dismiss the facts is odd that you would make the claim that where we lead on tax avoidance others follow is absurd and not a view facts can do anything other than refute.
FWIW i dont think this alone is why we want to leave.
We didnt oppose anyhting mentioned in the article linked by WF, indeed we funded the research by the OECD that developed many of the ideas and Cameron drove the International agreement when we were President of the G8
the UK is the biggest centre of money laundering and tax evasion in the world along with its various dependencies and offshore havens and the tories have fought tooth and nail to prevent any real action to clamp down of tax avopidence. Camerons fortune comes from tax avoidance / evasion.
they have talked the talk on it but refused to walk the walk, fought to make any measures toothless.
we are not fooled
along with its various dependencies and offshore havens
For someone who has spent so many years banging on about self governance and independence for Scotland, you don’t appear to understand much about the concepts of legislative and judiciary autonomy do you?