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[quote=Leku ]So you get paid even if your students don't turn up? Sweet gig dude.
I think he means even if they fail their 11+
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Never believed the doomsday nonsense.
Well we will see what happens if the trade deal tips over the point for too many people. I assume you have one that says Departments X,Y &Z are heading out of the country etc. Somebody will be putting those plans into action.
- unless people delight in doing the UK down?
You confuse being realistic and accepting that decisions are yet to be made which could still go either way are not putting the country down, it's called being a realist.
I hope we are witnessing the turning of the tide.
There's no popular appetite for Brexit any more, just a renegade government that's about to fall apart.
There's no popular appetite for Brexit any more, just a renegade government that's about to fall apart.
Talking to a bloke at the weekend banging on about how Brexit was going to make Great Breat Great again and what a fantastic thing getting blue passports was going to be.
I asked if he was happy that £485m was going to be spent to bring out the new passports and if he knew why the country was actually called Great Britain. He didn't like any of that and retreated into saying that it would stop the darkies coming here. It was a bit like a parody.
Meantime I see clients putting off decisions to invest in new buildings or actively focus sing in mainland Europe or in the Middle East instead.
All the racism/nationalism was why we lost. But we can't say that...
Nope terrible Remain “Project Armageddon” campaign with nothing much positive to say about staying in except “we can reform tje EU” - this being patently untrue based on past 20 years
I asked if he was happy that £485m was going to be spent to bring out the new passports
To be fair, that number is for new biometric features - the colour change really doesn't cost anything like that much.
(Which still doesn't excuse us as a nation for having so royally screwed up and launched into the stupidityfest that is Brexit).
Nope terrible Remain “Project Armageddon” campaign with nothing much positive to say about staying in except “we can reform tje EU” - this being patently untrue based on past 20 years
I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the UK be taking thier turn at EU president right now, if it wasn't for the hissy fit we just threw?
nothing much positive to say about staying in
There was plenty of positives put forward so that’s just more of your bullshit.
Fancy a dog whistler like you denying that xenophobia was a massive part of Leave. 😆
[quote=oldnpastit ]the colour change really doesn't cost anything like that much.
My understanding it that the direct costs are about the same as changing the colour would cost if we're still in the EU. Which does raise an interesting idea if changing the passport colour is enough to keep people happy...
I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the UK be taking thier turn at EU president right now,
It would have also helped if we had elected MEPs who were interested in actually working with Europe rather than a load whose only interest was taking the cash and talking about going back to imperial measurements.
There was plenty of positives put forward so that’s just more of your bullshit.
And we still lost?!? 😯
“we can reform tje EU” - this being patently untrue based on past 20 years
jambafact!
the UK has been very influential in driving reform of EU law in areas of finance, science environment etc
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/amendments.html
but if teh Leave campaign will be remembered for something itll have been victory at any cost built on lies
https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/
Official EU voting records* show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellows Sara Hagemann and Simon Hix.In other words, UK ministers were on the “winning side” 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%.
we had massive amounts of influence, but weve swapped it all for blue passports
And we still lost?!?
The reasons why you so aptly demonstrate on a daily base.
And we still wait for you to provide us with some information regarding the behind the scenes 'grown ups'.
I'm expecting him to hand in his homework anytime now.
"and stil we lost " we haven't lost yet THM we are still in Europe you have just given up the fight . We live in a democracy the grown ups can continue to argue for what is best for the country until we cease to be a democracy.
And we still wait for you to provide us with some information regarding the behind the scenes 'grown ups'.
Alternatively you could watch the news and/or read a paper
Info on individual grown ups and what has been achieved to date all available
None suits the moan narrative though, hence the denial/we are still waiting retorts 😀
we had massive amounts of influence, but weve swapped it all for blue passports
Also can't understand why Brexiters complain about the EU being a protectionist racket, but then want to leave it. Surely better to be inside the protection?
We were in one of the world's biggest most powerful economies. Now they are our rival. Smart move.
Alternatively you could watch the news and/or read a paper
It's not behind the scenes if it's in a newspaper; we've covered this already in the never ending round-about that is THM's garbage soundbites / playing the victim card.
They publish the results - where do you think the results come from and why are they news?
Not diffcult is it?
Reality isn’t sound bites 😉
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Apparently it is difficult as we're 400 posts on from when you mentioned 'behind the scenes grown up stuff' and you still can't post anything of relevance.
As always you exude vacuity - I don't think in the history of the internet has one person posted so much but said so little.
Ever considered a career as a Conservative politician?
Apparently it is difficult as we're 400 posts on from when you mentioned 'behind the scenes grown up stuff' and you still can't post anything of relevance.
I would expect he is under obligation not to.
Don’t do yourself down - your winning that contest by a mile
December was full of announcements from the behind the scenes stuff. Just because you choose to ignore that doesn’t make progress go away
Still keep moaning if it makes you happy. The world is moving on...
The remoaner mantra - deny progress is possible.....moan.....deny progress has happened. Life just be miserable with half empty glasses the whole time
Well if December was full of behind the scenes stuff it'll be easy for you to give us some examples right?
"The world is moving on." and is the UK building lots of new factories and warehouses for it's role in that new world, or is the United Kingdom being left behind as the world moves on?
Rumour has it that we might get blue passports.
I have [b][i]"Feed… the… troll…"[/i][/b] to the tune of the Band Aid single playing in my head for some reason…
It really is quite staggering how one man can be so sanctimonious
Crank. Yesterday’s data showed that we are. Manufacturing doing well.. The Uk is getting on with it fortunately
Really yesterday's data showed we are building factories and wearhouses ? Can you link me to that ?
The good news from the PMI survey is that the recent pick-up in manufacturing output has been concentrated in investment and intermediate goods, [b]which suggests that companies are seeking to expand capacity[/b]
From the remoan rag - they must have hated writing that
Can you link me to that ?
You'll need to form an orderly queue to get your question answered by the Brexit Oracle.
deadlydarcy - MemberThere was plenty of positives put forward so that’s just more of your bullshit.
The problem is, the remain campaign could only give real positives, since they were selling a real outcome. The leavers could give any positives they liked, because they were selling an imaginary one. Or rather multiple imaginary ones.
It's hard to sell a real bike for the real price when the competitor is selling imaginary hoverbikes that apparently make you money, while telling everyone your bike costs £350 million and there are 80 million turkish people in the box.
Err link to show actual building of factories and wearhouses like what you just said was happening .
You know something to put the lue to stuff like this :"UK construction industry optimism slumps to five-year low, survey reveals
Brexit concerns, high import costs and fears of economic slowdown lead to fall in volume of commercial projects"
Ah that'll be the stuff going on behind the scenes. You know the grown ups things.
You need to look forward not back.
Don't ask questions respect democracy and the will of the people!
[url= https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-brexit-was-only-supposed-to-blow-the-bloody-doors-off-1.3342337 ]Very good from Fintan O'Toole in the Irish Times. Brexit was only supposed to blow the bloody doors off![/url]
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The problem is, the remain campaign could only give real positives, since they were selling a real outcome. The leavers could give any positives they liked, because they were selling an imaginary one. Or rather multiple imaginary ones.
The learned the lessons from the Indy campaign
"Quick, look over there…"
teamhurtmore - MemberThe learned the lessons from the Indy campaign
Thanks for your inevitable donation of whataboutery, it adds a lot of value
is it a squirrel?
Rare for Owen Jones to be on the button, but not a bad effort today in the guardian. Obviously a STW reader given this para
Instead, it seems that too many stop Brexiters are making the same mistakes some leftists have traditionally made: looking for traitors, not converts; defined by what they are against, not what they are for; purist; cult-like; treating the wider public as politically backward; angrily dogmatic; yelling at people on[s] Twitter.[/s] STW
FTFH
First off, I’m not convinced by the campaign’s aim, and here’s why. Some stop Brexiters recite, almost as a mantra, that the referendum was only advisory (despite the government sending a pamphlet to every household in Britain promising them that the government “will implement what you decide”). If the referendum result was simply cancelled, it would be regarded as a coup against democracy not just by leave voters, but by many remainers. Faith in democracy may never be rebuilt – “more people voted for Brexit than for anything else in British history and the establishment thwarted it”, the refrain would go. It would surely be the greatest shot in the arm for the radical right in British history
Ok the last bit is going a bit off piste, but a good start
"looking for traitors"
"defined by what they are against"
Sums up the pro Brexit people I encounter on twitter, for sure.
In meatspace pro Brexit people seem less keen on calling people traitors, they're reasonable people, but by definition are defined by what they are against (the EU) not what they are in favour of… I don't know two who share the same view of what should replace EU membership, and I do know a fair few.
You missed the word “stop” as in stop Brexshiters
THM, that extra bit you added with your edit is a reminder why another referendum is probably required, very hard for any government to endorse EU membership now without a second vote on that issue, even if "the people" are in favour of it (at some point later than 2016).
Keep repeating the flawed mantra. It won’t change anything
"Feed… the… troll…"
Can someone send me a message when THM gives up on his stuff please? Thread a bit pointless while he is.
Keep repeating
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Even that’s a repeat 😉
Well you've got to admire his tenacity if nothing else, lol!
Err so no actual link to factories and wearhouses being built then ?
Nah, they make stuff outdoors. No need for factories or some other building you mention.
Lower costs for our race-to-the-bottom UK. 😉
behind the scenes grown up stuff
Have a look at Politico.eu , of course there have been meetings going on behind the scenes. Davies and Barnier are just figureheads and the EU in particular has been very keen to keep individual countries in-line hence the public position that it’s calling the shots which in reality of course it is not. Even stories in the UK press that May’s office is really running the negotiations.
As for Democracy and “giving up”I posted a few relevant numbers which show how Parliament has voted on triggering A50, no to THE single market and customs union
[quote=teamhurtmore ]looking for traitors
Found some 😆
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Davies is a "[b]figurehead[/b]" and it's really the unelected behind the scenes staff in control? I suppose to some extent they must be (well those that haven't been forced to move on for talking truth to power) at least until the government decides what they want to replace EU membership with. Davies' recent comments (about the EU 'cherry picking' if it reduces our access re services) suggest that the "cake and eat it" holding pattern bluff has been upgraded to a "keep the whole cake and eat it all" approach… which I suppose is progress of sorts. Or a method of preventing speedy progress, I'm genuinely not sure. I'd suggest that it might be the latter… that he wants us out of the EU, and in "transition", before the shape of our future relationship with Europe is set out to "the people".
No response to stupidity of Barniers comments re fin services
Do you think DD is capable of what has been negotiated and delivered to data?? It’s the team doing the work
Do you think DD is capable of what has been negotiated and delivered to data?? It’s the team doing the work
Yep all the fun of working hard while your boss screws you in public and undermines your efforts. Really helpful isn't it.
‘‘Twas ever thus. Hence my scepticism re politicians
[quote=teamhurtmore ]Do you think DD is capable of what has been negotiated and delivered to data??
Of course not, but still it seems he has influence over the process.
In the minds of the press - perhaps major
In reality - relatively minor
Fortunately!
(Anyone mention grown ups behind the scenes 😉 )
So these grown ups working behind the scenes?
I don't suppose they are un-elected bureaucrats determining our future by any chance?
If only. They are actually tearing their hair out trying to minimise the harm caused by this ideologically-driven self-immolation.
Sorry, thought something had happened to the thread!
Ignore.
Stupid project fear,
The Tory Brexit turning out just as predicted
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42571828
Spurious links - at least the industry expert was more honest in his interpretation
On the flip side, sensible news and comments from the Ireland and Hungary leading to the inevitable reaction from Macron
indeed
The other major factor, according to the SMMT, is Brexit. Tamzen Isacsson insists it is "the greatest challenge the industry is facing at the moment".Consumer confidence, she says, is key to the health of the new car market.
"If consumer confidence is low, people delay purchases of big-ticket items like cars.
"With so much confusion about the impact of Brexit and where the economy is heading, it's not surprising they're holding back.
The clue in: “the other major factor”.....
On the flip side, sensible news and comments from the Ireland and Hungary
"Mr Varadkar expressed his appreciation for the support from Hungary in relation to Ireland's specific concerns on Brexit, particularly on issues around Northern Ireland." Indeed, hums A nation once again to oneself
an even bigger clue in
"the greatest challenge the industry is facing at the moment".
And both called for, “a Brexit deal that allows uninterrupted trade in [b]goods and services”[/b]
Wonder why?
I don't think the governments of Ireland and Hungary are ruling out the UK (as a whole or NI alone) operating within the Single Market, or sticking with the Customs Union, are they?
No they are refuting Barnier hence the Macron retort
France wants to grab as much of the fin ser action so want different things
EU spilts emerging but the big boys will try to quash the little ones - not for the first time
Yeah, no support for Ireland at all from the larger EU members… [ rolls eyes ]
Don't panic; "David Davis, the Brexit Secretary, said the next round of EU negotiations would generate the same “public thunder and lightning” as the previous stage." have the grown ups been warned?
Yes they know that there will be even more noise
The EU showed it’s own hand re Ireland - after the noise, compromise. We have moved on without a resolution of the border question. Not that this was ever a surprise...
However the border will have to be resolved for any future trade deal with the EU and RoI will have a veto available
Yeah, no support for Ireland at all from the larger EU members… [ rolls eyes ]
Ireland almost ended up a vassal state thanks to the intransigence of the larger EU members post GFC. It sticks in the craw to see the patronising ‘support’ now on offer.
Ireland almost ended up a vassal state
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Did I spell something wrong or did you disagree?