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11 to go - told you it was challenge to beat. Good luck


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 5:03 pm
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What's with the compulsive counting THM ? I have a friend who does that,but he's got OCD,why do you do it?,is it so important to you?


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 5:08 pm
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Amusement. I doubt that we’ll get the full bakers though

And there is little Brexshit news until we get down to trade. We’ll be talking about colours of passports next.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 5:21 pm
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We covered that earlier,can't you remember? Between that,and you being unable to remember how you earn a living,I'm beginning to worry that you may have a problem.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 5:30 pm
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Dannyh,what's that question you keep asking him? I think he keeps forgetting and would like the reassurance of a reminder.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 5:34 pm
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And being able to count things again.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 5:35 pm
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I am the obsessive one but only one of us went back and counted 😆
And you seem to be getting trolled on all sides

I doubt that we’ll get the full bakers though
Remember you said you stopped counting at 12 - deary me you do seem forgetful these days- you seem to forget almost everything you say on here


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 5:37 pm
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Any details regarding the 'behinds the scenes stuff with grown ups' yet?

...no..?


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 5:59 pm
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PLease don't upset him,people with short term memory loss can become quite paranoid when questioned bout it.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:03 pm
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Any details regarding the 'behinds the scenes stuff with grown ups' yet?

...no..?

Recent statistics suggest that behind the scenes, the grown ups are mainly watching porn on the Internet.

They probably drink the odd cup of tea too, but there's no data to support that.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:16 pm
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Perhaps that's why THM has gone quiet?


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:18 pm
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thats unfair, some of them are busy misleading Parliament about whether they have, or they have not, got dossiers on the impact of Brexit.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:20 pm
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DP


 
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TP


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:20 pm
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Things that won't get you kicked out of the Conservative party:
- lying to parliament
- gross incompetence
- using the n word
- masturbating on the job

Things that could get you kicked out - having a sensible opinion about brexit


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:31 pm
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Mattyfez,you may say that,but they are all grownups,working hard behind the scenes to deliver a successful outcome (in their opinion)


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:35 pm
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Ask the man who counts.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:36 pm
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Mattyfez,you may say that,but they are all grownups,working hard behind the scenes to deliver a successful outcome (in their opinion)

That's sort of the problem, isn't it? What constitutes a "successful" outcome - is it one that preserves the current trade relationship as much as possible, one that keeps EU familiies together, one that keeps the peace in Ireland, or one that keeps forriners out, and passports blue? Has this been defined by our glorious leaders, and if not, what sort of democracy is it that allows the unelected "grownups" to decide on it for themselves?


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:41 pm
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Mattyfez,you may say that,but they are all grownups,working hard behind the scenes to deliver a successful outcome (in their opinion)

Well there is the Irish border issue, no amount of cups of tea, burying heads in sand or furious masturbating is going to fix that.
The flippance is unreal.


 
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But THM assures us they are "grownups" thus implying that our desired outcomes are childlike,and can be ignored.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:46 pm
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It's ok, we're going to build a new boat. Panic over.

Boats are well known for thier prowess in diplomatic international relationships.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:47 pm
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Anyway,enough footling about,I'm just reading up on Treponema Pallidum,it's symptoms appear to include short term memory loss,obsessive behaviour,and paranoia.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:49 pm
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It's ok, we're going to build a new boat. Panic over.

Jam exports should cover the cost.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:49 pm
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Log entries of the trade ship HMS Brexit.

Captain May, 22nd Jun 2018
We have been resupplying in Jamaica for the last month. We have traded brass buttons for a hold of bent bananas. These delicious bananas far surpass the straight ones forced on us by the European badlands. Ships surgeon Dr Hunt is most pleased with a deal he struck with local producers. He has traded all the ship's medical supplies for a hundred weight of sugar cane. It was felt that this was worthwhile and would sweeten our deal upon return. We have also procured 10 of the strongest local men to assist in the voyage and provide breeding stock for our return. I don't know how the people back home will take to this. We may have to get them to keep their eyes and mouths closed and sneak them in under cover of darkness. We are heading off tomorrow for a short jaunt to the New World Colonies on the mainland.

Captain May, 30th June 2018,
Eastern American coast. We conducted a trade deal of leathery, bland, sterile meat. Master of the ship's purse Mr Hammond agreed to stay behind in return for his weight in chlorinated chicken. The locals we found to be rude and did not stay more than a week. We have a long voyage around the Horn to reach The Pacific islands.

Captain May, 15th Sept 2018
Tragedy struck today upon our arrival in Hawaii. There appeared to be a misunderstanding between the locals and Able Semen Johnson during a welcoming ceremony. Tensions rose, sadly resulting in our ship's interpreter Mr Davies having his head smashed in by a group of angry locals. Our lack of medical equipment was a disadvantage and coating his wounds in sugar sadly had little effect. Able Semen Johnson has been an inconsolable gibbering wreck ever since. I hope he returns to his normal self soon.

Captain May 5th Oct 2018
We have arrived in a land called Korea. The people here are funny. Very angry, as they appear to be at war with their Northern neighbour. They have yellow skin and slanty eyes. We were introduced to a clever man called Mr Sam Sung, who makes a small shiny device you hold to your face called a Tefelon. This magic item let's you talk to people in another room. Not getting the supplies we had hoped in Hawaii resulted in us having to trade half a dozen of these devices in exchange for half of the succulent bent bananas in our hold.

Captain May 12th Nov 2018
We set off for the final long last leg of our journey. Since we are thankfully no longer allowing people into our Little Britain from the European badlands to work anymore we have been asked by our countrymen if we can pick up some people to replace them on route home. We intend to stop in India, Ceylon and Rhodesia to pick up the best doctors, dentists, lawyers and bank clerks. We will have the remainder of our return journey to persuade them to clean our streets and hospital floors. I am sure Mr Fox has methods with which to persuade them.

Captain May 3rd Feb 2019
We enter the lions mouth. We are passing Gibraler on route to Syria. We are hoping to squeeze 50,000 refugees on board to make up further for the loss of workers from the European badlands. The people back home do not know about this aspect of our journey, but I am sure they will be delighted by our humanitarian efforts. We must be sure not to stray too close to the Northern shores where Italian, French and Spanish sirens have previously lured unwary mariners onto rocks with dreams of Rioja, Chianti and Camembert. We must stay focussed and not deviate from our course to the Eastern Mediteranean.

Captain May 3rd March 2019
We have successfully passed Gibraltar on our return home. We will be back in Blighty in a week or so, and miss it terribly. We have been away for approaching a year now and all hope that Our Little Britain has not changed at all.
We return sun tanned, and with half a hold of bent bananas, sugar, six tefelons, 150lbs of chlorinated chicken,some Indian doctor's Jamaican strongmen and 50,000 Syrian refugees. This mission will become the stuff of legends in years to come.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:52 pm
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😆


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:54 pm
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P.S. Surely Able Semen Johnson is an American by birth,and will be refused entry on your return to GB,as he is a foreigner ?


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 6:57 pm
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Brilliant. I'm sealing this.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 7:00 pm
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Shame only the bakers in the end. Still must be a STW trolling record and well deserved. Sad, but well deserved


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 7:40 pm
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You should be taking it as a compliment to your evasiveness,sneering,condescension,and refusal to answer simple questions with facts.Well done you,what do you do for a living? Failed tutor in a minor public school?


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 7:53 pm
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So you still reply to me, when i am not mentioning you, and I am the one with the obsession and you still forgot what you said

I lost count as 12, so could be even more


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 8:00 pm
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Anyway - back to Brexit.
Have a read of Lord Adonis's resignation letter - seems pretty lucid and closely reasoned to me therefore I am looking forward to a grown-up explaining to me why I am wrong.
https://news.sky.com/story/read-lord-adonis-letter-to-pm-in-full-as-labour-peer-quits-government-role-11188763


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 8:07 pm
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So, in this clip, is Paxo being 'obsessive' or is Howard being an obtuse twerp and refusing to answer a straight question because the honest answer is an embarrassment?

Hint, I [b][u]also[/b][/u] know the correct answer to that one.

Know what I mean? 😉


 
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Remainiac throws a strop ... how is this even news ? It must be a slow day.

Fundamentally he is reigning so he can try and reverse Brexit from the House of Lords. As I said this is not news.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 9:00 pm
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Hé seems to know what he is talking about.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 9:03 pm
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So... is he actually wrong about things like East Coast?

Or are we just going to dismiss any valid points by calling him a "remoaner"?


 
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So... is he actually wrong about things like East Coast?

Practically nobody will think he's wrong about East Coast, it's an absolute joke. His only error was to underestimate just what a total farce it was going to be when it was privatised in 2015.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 9:19 pm
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Jambalaya code remainiac=person who knows things.


 
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You should be taking it as a compliment to your evasiveness,sneering,condescension,and refusal to answer simple questions with facts.Well done you,what do you do for a living? Failed tutor in a minor public school?

🙂

thats my guess


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 11:04 pm
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This just got ecoteric.
I've obviously missed something.


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 11:09 pm
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Log entries of the trade ship HMS Brexit.

Very good! 😆


 
Posted : 29/12/2017 11:10 pm
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[img] [/img] I've worked it out 😉 THM writes for the express


 
Posted : 30/12/2017 7:39 am
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Britain has a crack team in place ready to strike trade deals around the world..

Got to be a typo in the word "crack".

Got to love it though, makes it sound like we have a hardened team of negotiators fresh from SAS boot camp taking on the world!

I bet Terry and his mate Rob (aka the crack team of 2) don't know about this yet. 😀


 
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Log entries of the trade ship HMS Brexit.'.....

That was good, cheered me up no end. 😀


 
Posted : 30/12/2017 8:07 am
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"crack team" = "team on crack"?


 
Posted : 30/12/2017 11:29 am
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It seems you now call Ireland when you want to speak to Europe.

Our priority is to conclude a free trade agreement with the European Union”, Minister Julie Bishop told Newstalk.

“And we see Ireland as a great opportunity for us to work with countries of the EU, through Ireland.”

http://www.newstalk.com/Australias-priority-is-to-trade-with-the-EU--Australian-Foreign-Minister-on-the-opportunities-and-impact-of-Brexit


 
Posted : 30/12/2017 11:34 am
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Well they are currently negotiating a trade deal with the EU which will be concluded well before any UK deal.


 
Posted : 30/12/2017 11:36 am
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Let's hope so and that it's a better process than the Canada deal. They were even talking about establishing a new dispute agency and preventing the likes of the Walloons from vetoing

They can be quite flexible when they put their minds to it.


 
Posted : 30/12/2017 11:50 am
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They can be quite flexible when they put their minds to it.

Trade deals with Oz or Canada are a very different beast to the UK leaving EU. UK HAS to be in a worst off position than within EU or others will follow. Simples.


 
Posted : 30/12/2017 12:11 pm
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thats unfair, some of them are busy misleading Parliament about whether they have, or they have not, got dossiers on the impact of Brexit.

Running interference whilst the real business is done (in the shadows)


 
Posted : 30/12/2017 12:20 pm
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Remainiac throws a strop ...

Brexshitter reduced to sarcastic terminology.


 
Posted : 30/12/2017 1:28 pm
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Remainiac throws a strop ...

Or brave patriot puts his country before himself.
A noble warrior bravely trying to pull a floundering ship safely to shore.
A man not afraid to throw off the shackles of foreign billionaires ,to stand up and say "I am a true son of Albion"
A man who looks forward to a shining future not running home to hide under the bed with the curtains drawn.
**** the royal boat lets have a whip round to get a statue of him.


 
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noble warrior bravely trying to pull a floundering ship safely to shore.

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Milo Yianopoulis is good for a laugh too

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42517555 ]his editor thought so[/url] 🙂


 
Posted : 30/12/2017 2:34 pm
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Don’t be daft, read what I said again, I would prefer us to be able to choose the best, rather than lumbered with the worst

EU regulation on freedom of movement is quite clear on this, EU nation states cannot restrict citizens freedom of movement based on previous criminal convictions. It is absolutely freaking ridiculous that we can refuse entry to the U.K. to (for example) Mike Tyson purely because of his rape conviction, but cannot equally refuse entry to a convicted murderer, paedophile or any other criminal on the basis of their EU citizenship

I will let you in on a little secret. Based partly on the fact that I know so many people that have come to the UK from the EU freely to work, including not only my sister in law, but my son's best friends mum, and a close friends wife, my sense of national identity is very fluid. I live in Scotland, in the UK, in the EU, and if being pedantic on the World. I feel these people are no less my countrymen and women than my own parents. Plenty of remainers feel this way. Sadly Ninfan et so will never experience this. Yes, there will be incredibly rare example of unsavoury people coming here, however I feel enriched through the relationships I have with those I have described and believe passionately that this is a price worth paying.

Don't use the argument that our link to the EU stops people from outside the EU from coming here. 50% of our immigration comes from outside the EU. I have NEVER met a single brexiteer that honestly wishes to see more 'brown' people coming here at the expense of EU nationals after Brexit, least of all Farage, who I have regularly heard use that argument, and he ends up in cold sweats when he doesn't hear English on the tube!

Financially we may manage by scrambling about like blue arsed flies on the Bounty trying to get back some of the trade from elsewhere that Brexiteers have sabotaged by chucking trade in the the bin from our doorstep.

It is the moral and social aspect of Brexit that leaves the most unpalatable taste. I find it hard to reconcile that my kids will not have the same travel and work opportunities that we have had all because millions of people are afraid of Lithuanian murderers. As I said previously, Brexit is a shambles and a disgrace that leaves the UK in the moral and social gutter.

That Raft of the Medusa cartoon is excellent.


 
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Very well put.


 
Posted : 30/12/2017 2:49 pm
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TBH i can't understand why tyson wasn't allowed in to the country, but i can't pretend to have looked in to the story. i believe that if the debt to society has been paid, people should have the chance to improve their lot without prejudice.
if there is a genuine ( ie appreciable ) risk of re-offending then people convicted of violent crime should not be released at all.


 
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I live in Scotland, in the UK, in the EU

This is another stupid thing about the whole affair. People complaining about the EU doing this and that as if they are an outside entity. As of now, we ARE the EU. There is no 'them'.

However we are creating a 'them' who will be against us.


 
Posted : 30/12/2017 3:48 pm
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Wot athgray said.... Spot on.

As he says, the economic issues worry me less than the social and moral.

The environment stuff could go either way but almost certainly won't.

I can see no silver lining at all. I am not moaning btw. I am expressing how I feel and think.


 
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As of now, we ARE the EU.

This is so true molgrips, but clearly not everyone feels like this.

I don't want Britain to be like the way it seems to be heading.

17 million wanting to do trade deals with countries as long as they don't have to get too involved with the natives who are probably HGV driving rapists.


 
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Seeing who we trade with already I am not sure we could get any lower ethically (thinking weapons selling)


 
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Fundamentally he is reigning so he can try and reverse Brexit from the House of Lords.

Sounds like he deserves a knighthood as well, then.


 
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Appropriate choice - sette in an unelected chamber in order to reverse a democratically achieved result. And be awarded for doing so. The irony continues - how bad 😉


 
Posted : 30/12/2017 5:37 pm
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I seem to recall you whinging quite a lot at the imposition of business rates on public schools in Scotland, a democratically achieved result, the irony continues- how bad 😉


 
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Appropriate choice - sette in an unelected chamber in order to reverse a democratically achieved result. And be awarded for doing so. The irony continues - how bad

The HoL is there to scrutinize democratically achieved results, whether they be referendum results or bills created by our democratically elected politicians, otherwise what's the point of it?

The irony THM is your apparent turn around on the HoL. I thought you were a staunch supporter?

Also if the other referendum had gone the other way would you now be taking a similar "you must get over it and make things fabulous again, these McRemainers should embrace Salmond he is wonderful" sort of a stance that you are here?


 
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The irony continues - how bad

He's ****ing Trump


 
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Of course but the Scots were too canny to fall for Salmonds BS

We even let lots off ill-educated people vote - as is their right - despite being lied to. That’s how it works. Of course the same people now deny others that right - see ^

The only people who should be whingeing about business rates on a Scottish schools are those who will now be excluded from private education because they can no longer afford it and the taxpayer who will most likely lose out.


 
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ATG - you are correct re the role of the HOL


 
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We are Leaving the EU against the wishes of the people of the UK. Bang on about "democracy" all you want, but the country shouldn't be stuck in 2016 for eternity.


 
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Apparently that is exactly where THM thinks we should be stuck for eternity.


 
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Really the referendum was undemocratic. A small group of people got what they wanted by capitalising on sentiment relating to other things, and manipulating the electorate.

Not really democratic when you put it like that was it THM?


 
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Especially as CMD,who called it,stated it was advisory,not binding.Did you forget that THM ?


 
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How many times have we posted that on here THM ?


 
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Of course but the Scots were too canny to fall for Salmonds BS

We even let lots off ill-educated people vote - as is their right - despite being lied to. That’s how it works. Of course the same people now deny others that right - see ^

The only people who should be whingeing about business rates on a Scottish schools are those who will now be excluded from private education because they can no longer afford it and the taxpayer who will most likely lose out.

Just on this subject.....CIS roles have been falling in Scotland for about a decade, down about 10% on where they were since 2008, and its largely been due to the schools putting their fees up, by about 15% overall in that same period.

In turn, kids are transferring into state schools, which can do the same job, results wise, for about half the cost. This is a fact. Lets leave aside the other benefits that CIS allegedly provides and constrain ourselves for now to academic achievements only, exam passes.

The schools themselves, when challenged, state that its because of constrained finances caused by- you guessed it- the crash of 2008->today.

Now, I know you'd like to claim that the SNP are forcing parents to turn to state schools for their education, denying them choice, but the fact is that this is [i]already happening[/i] due to the global economic catastrophe and its overall effect on the UK economy. A form of austerity, if you will (you and I have debated the use of this term in the past, you may recall.) So- its already happening, and has been for circa 10 years.

My opinion on the SNP's current rates redrawing is this: its a [i]fair[/i] thing to do, as there should be no distinction between the 2 streams of education in Scotland- no benefit should be obtained because private individuals wish to start a school. Its a business, as seen by the fact that they took a necessary economic decision based on their market, and put their fees up-thats what businesses do.

I can cite evidence to prove all this if needed.


 
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We are Leaving the EU against the wishes of the people of the UK.

Of course we are.


 
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Especially as CMD,who called it,stated it was advisory,not binding.

should have made it binding on a two thirds majority like most constitutional change in the rest of adult world (funnily enough it's what the original eu ref would have passed on)


 
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If Corbyn was elected ,the pound collapsed and lots of businesses decided to leave the uk would he be deemed a success or a complete ****ing disaster?


 
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Of course but the Scots were too canny to fall for Salmonds BS

Of course, It’s interesting to see how many of those who have been filled with apoplectic rage about the Sectoral reports were previously so keen to defend Wee Eck’s shenanigans over the non-existent legal advice on EU membership.

should have made it binding on a two thirds majority like most constitutional change in the rest of adult world

Just imagine what the usual reactionaries on here would have been saying if that condition was applied to (past or future) indyref?


 
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Just imagine what the usual reactionaries on here would have been saying if that condition was applied to (past or future) indyref?

There _was_ a similar condition at least for the first Scottish referendum.


 
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Of course, It’s interesting to see how many of those who have been filled with apoplectic rage about the Sectoral reports were previously so keen to defend Wee Eck’s shenanigans over the non-existent legal advice on EU membership.

Nice shot at a tie-in, love your work.


 
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