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Many, many times and misquoted nearly even time - especially by the more vocal remoaners.
There has NOT been a full detailed study into migration as past Governments are well aware that results won't be what they want.
Migration is positive is a VERY broadbrush statement. It's positive in the US, Australia and the UK. Even when you look into EU migration you can make a broad positive statement thats it's "positive" but that hides a significant disparity between that from the relatively wealthy western EU states (generally qualified people taking well paid jobs) and those from the A10/8 more recent joiner states who are much more likely to claim in work benefits.
It's a very simple and incontrovertible fact that if uncontrolled immigration is "good" then controlled immigration will be better. My view is uncontrolled immigration is very cleary not good in particular when the countries concerned have vastly differing levels of prosperity. Jeremy Corbyn gets this and made a direct comment about it on Andrew Marr last week.
I see from the pages before we still have the classic Remainer holy than thou, we are more intelligent etc nonsense.
Untrue. I have linked to several earlier in this thread. Ths studies have been done and we know that the benefits are positive.
Corbyn is a protectionist
It's a very simple and incontrovertible fact that if uncontrolled immigration is "good" then controlled immigration will be better.
I love assertions presented as "facts".
That statement is, as made, simply nonsense.
I reckon you would throw someone out of your office who made that kind of ridiculous statement in a business pitch. I would.
It may be that controlled migration is better (for a start you would probably want a skills demographic in line with the local population rather than one biased to high or low skills) - but it is not "a very simple and incontrovertible fact". That's a "let's ignore the evidence, I know better" type statement.
Agreed Jamba?
As for this statement...
I see from the pages before we still have the classic Remainer holy than thou, we are more intelligent etc nonsense.
I won't respond in kind. I will rise above that sort of stuff. 😉
It's a very simple and incontrovertible fact that if uncontrolled immigration is "good" then controlled immigration will be better
Still having trouble with facts I see. Controlled immigration could easily be worse;
- Increased bureaucracy/levels of staffing
- Holding up the immigrants required for jobs meaning many business with too few workers
- Putting people off due to above and working elsewhere
Easier to just leave as is and take the small negatives as they are.
igm - MemberLove it. "The Irish Sea looks like a natural border. Shall we use that?*"
"Boom" said the DUP*note - this may not actually have been said - though the DUP do seem to have reacted to it.
Well not quite, but of course the DUP have to be seen to react angrily to the idea of [i](gasp!!)[/i] an island Ireland. After all, they campaigned to leave, for no apparent reason whatsoever other than that mystery £500,000 donation. They're now locked in some kind of circular straw man argument - an "Irish Sea Border" would harm northern Irish businesses.
But 61% of NI trade is with the EU (not to mention 87% of NI farm income dependant on EU subsidies) and over half of that is directly with the Republic.
Can't have a hard border because that's a surefire way to reignite the troubles, and a digital border won't work.
A sea border is the only option that makes sense, but then it would mean the DUP took a giant step towards a united Ireland, and further dissolution of the UK for the princely sum of £500,000.
mrmo - MemberI think the summary, you created this mess, now clean it up.
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Pretty much.
A sea border is the only option that makes sense, but then it would mean the DUP took a giant step towards a united Ireland, and further dissolution of the UK for the princely sum of £500,000.
I don't think anyone ever suggested the DUP weren't interested in being bought.
Love it from Bertie Ahern describing the possibility of Ireland following the UK in leaving the EU.
"We're mad but we're not [i]that[/i] mad!"
😆
It's a very simple and incontrovertible fact that if uncontrolled immigration is "good" then controlled immigration will be better.
I'm quite surprised that jambalaya thinks that the big bad govt will do a good job of ensuring that the right people come to this country, versus letting the free market work its magic. I, in contrast, think that if a govt of any colour attempts to set quotas for particular types of immigrant, it is likely to bollocks it up hugely.
igmI don't think anyone ever suggested the DUP weren't interested in being bought.
No of course not. There's no doubt they were bought. I believe they took that money under the assumption (like many) that the Brexit vote would fail, so it was just a handy wee earner. When the dust cleared, you have to ask how or why anyone could conceivably make a pro-brexit argument for Northern Ireland, it's a lose lose situation.
What I'm saying is they took an illogical stance (pro brexit) and now they have to take another illogical stance (anti Irish Sea border) in order to avoid a potential reality where that £500,000 brings us closer to a united Ireland.
jimjam - I'm not disagreeing with you. It's my whimsically cynical side showing.
Or is it cynically whimsical?
Did anyone see newsnight yesterday?, the ranty Tory MEP - she seemed to be based in an alternate world, they just talked over her in the end.
Was regarding the damage that Brexit looks set to do to aerospace industry and aviation
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40743826
The focus always seems to be on economics. But how about real people's lives. This is one of the most truly depressing things I've ever read
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/28/brexit-the-eu-nationals-exiting-britain-a-bit-of-me-is-dying-but-i-cant-stay ]The EU nationals already leaving in droves[/url]
What it says about our country, and what it has become over the last 12 months shames us all. Forget the figures and statistics, this documents a retreat into insular, swivel-eyed, backward gazing nationalism. It's an embarrassment!
Yes work with m any European scientists who are incredibly anxious about the future here, most already making their exit plans
Eurotunnel implied FX rate £1 = 1.40€ 😯
UK paid crossing £102, Euro paid crossing 143€ Same crossing checked on UK and French website, to be neutral it should be around 114€
In addition to EU nationals leaving there's also the fact that many people from the UK living abroad who would normally come back in due course will now never come back. That's certainly my situation. I'm ready to move back to Scotland but I'm not bringing my foreign girlfriend and my foreign kids back to the UK until the lunacy subsides.
I'm also not bringing my degree level education (paid for by the UK) and I also won't be bringing back the not insubstantial savings we've accrued working abroad over the last decade.
The UK could be about to experience a brain drain never before seen in a western country.
I'm missing the point, Jamba. Companies have scammed exchange rates for years.
Well that's a bit of a shocker considering airport rates are supposed to be 1:1 as leople here like to post (hence my ripost). Eurotunnel are a bit daft though as you can just buy the ticket on either site although possibly it requires a "local" credit card
@kimbers well according to head f-wit Ryan all flights to the EU are going to dissapear 🙂 Airbus is in a dreadful mess, layoffs and profits way down, A380 orders particularly poor and issues with engines for the new plane, nought to do with Brexit.
@tmh prior "studies" have been far too broad, did not break out immigration properly by country and by job type and compensation and hence tax paid. You need to do that and then start stratifying where visas woukd be granted and where they would not and/or only short term visas. Also any study needs to FULLY cost impact on housing, infrastructure and helath service provision.
looking good, fairly obvious really.
Problem is since Maybot gutted customs & borders the review becomes that much harder....
ID cards on the cards, ironic considering its why Davis quit gov last time
Loved Johnsons response to the review- basically WTF?, no one told me. 😆
No wonder bariner & the rest of the EU are frustrated at our lack of progress, the brexiters STILL have no plan.
That's why easyJet have set up their new offices in Austria and moved 100 planes to be registered there.
Even if by some miracle, the brexies get their act together, it will be too late for many industries.
Still onwards and upwards stuff upper lip, Dunkirk spirit etc
PS here's a great whine from Dyson....
http://www.fwi.co.uk/news/brexiteer-dyson-warns-government-not-cut-farm-subsidies.htm
The UK could be about to experience a brain drain never before seen in a western country.
It has been seen, Irelands main export for decades was people, hence the diaspora. However you are right in that if brexit goes badly the UK will suffer a major brain drain.
Eurotunnel are a bit daft though as you can just buy the ticket on either site although possibly it requires a "local" credit card
Actually the really daft thing is I paid £70 (ish) for my crossing a couple of weeks ago. Have the prices gone up for the holidays by any chance?
PS - if the study does come back saying EU migration and perhaps even FoM is good for the UK and good for UK citizens / workers, will you join us Jamba? You know I'd never shut the door on you, you old prodigal.
Jammers... serious question.... instead of just quoting figures and statistics, have you got anything to say about the social cost of this car crash? The way we look to the world? About the real people who's lives are being ruined by the rise of this small-minded, petty and really nasty nationalism?
Hate crimes are up 85% in a year in manchester. It's the same all over the country?
To quote your hero, is that all "a price worth paying?"
No wonder bariner & the rest of the EU are frustrated at our lack of progress, the brexiters STILL have no plan.
It's been stalling tactic after stalling tactic. Pointless court case; back of an envelope "plan" delivered at the 11th hour; hey let's have a General Election; now we have to deal with hung parliament; negotiations finally started, "here's our demands" - "you can't have them" - "oh, ok then"; and now we're embarking on a study on immigration to tell us something we already know.
A year on from the referendumb, we're no clearer and no nearer. Even if I thought leaving the EU was a fantastic idea, the people supposed to be organising it are clearly utterly incompetent. Either that or as someone else said earlier it's brinkmanship. Even the most rabid of Leaver can't possibly still believe this is going well, surely.
A380 orders particularly poor and issues with engines for the new plane, nought to do with Brexit
Agreed. It's the wrong plane. Good for the UK - Asia run but nowt else really. (IMHO - I am not an aviation expert)
if brexit goes badly the UK will suffer a major brain drain
Like we've got surplus to spare in the first place.
I said brinkmanship Cougar - others may have too.
Could equally be incompetence.
Or as you point out, reluctance. It does look like they are trying to do anything other than sort out Brexit.
a great whine from Dyson
Nice pun
a great whine from Dyson
Nice pun
Dyson vacuum cleaners,they [list]really suck[/list]
I said brinkmanship Cougar - others may have too.Could equally be incompetence.
Or as you point out, reluctance. It does look like they are trying to do anything other than sort out Brexit.
Thanks for that - it's not a term I'd heard before. Every day's a school day (for some folk).
"Reluctance" seems the most plausible to me. Let's put aside "the will of the people" for a minute as we all know that's propaganda. The current government has been given a large amount of money by rich businessmen like Aaron Banks and newspaper owners to make Brexit happen. That's the real reason we're here, to turn Britain into a tax haven for billionaires. So they're under a real pressure to make it work.
The problem is twofold. The first is that with every day that passes it's becoming more apparent that it cannot work in any sort of meaningful way that makes us better off; we've been looking at "least worst" scenarios for months now. "Hard Brexit" is off the table thanks to the GE and "soft Brexit" will never be allowed by the EU. The only realistic option available to us is "no deal." And that sounds like a whole barrel o' yuks.
The second is that fundamentally the likes of Davis, BloJo and May are self-serving bastards. Their necks are on the block here. And deep down, they know we're ****ed. They're trying to whip up public support with increasingly desperate rhetoric ("Brexit means Brexit / the will of the people / work together / let's give 350m to the NHS / red white and blue" etc etc) and slowly but surely the people are seeing through the veneer. And none of them, not one of them, wants to be the one who pulled the trigger. The one who goes down in history as the person responsible, the person accountable. Not one of them wants to commit career suicide.
It's a dichotomy. They're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Faced with a referendum-a-like binary choice of leave / remain, neither of these options mean that they get to walk away looking good. And up there in their ivory towers, suddenly going "yeah, we've changed our minds" is going to unleash a career-ending right-wing backlash that they're terrified of.
There's only two ways I can see out of this. One is brinkmanship (thanks again). Run the country into the ground until all but the most fervent Brexiteer goes "oh shit"; and I'll hazard that there is a very large percentage of folk who voted Leave based on misinformation and now regret it (no joke, I heard two old ladies today who both voted Leave because they thought they were getting pounds, shillings and pence back).
The other is as I've said right since the start, offer a third option which is to remain in the EU but for Parliament to review and address the reasons people wanted to leave in the first place (eg our immigration policy), most of which we have a good deal of control over and choose not to exercise. This will surely please more people than any other option whist allowing Parliament to escape with some shreds of dignity. The only fly in the ointment here is the people I mentioned in the second paragraph who are bankrolling all of this, which might explain why they're opting for brinkmanship instead.
TL;DR, the current government are in a bind and they are either very, very clever, or very, very stupid. From the outside looking in, it's tough to call either way.
Dyson vacuum cleaners,they
really suck
Since Dyson turned out to be a Leaver, mine's just been gathering dust.
Binners I have a Dutch friend who has settled here who is going through exactly the turmoil covered by that article. Its awful. The worst thing is that he knows that there are people who voted out, who he classes(/ed) friends who voted out with not a thought of what it could do to his very real personal situation.
Binners I have a Dutch friend who has settled here who is going through exactly the turmoil covered by that article. Its awful. The worst thing is that he knows that there are people who voted out, who he classes(/ed) friends who voted out with not a thought of what it could do to his very real personal situation.
"Yeah, but not you though, you're ok, it's all those other immigrants."
Yep although even my leaver friends are far too nice to actually say that, that's the assumed implication. And I can't disagree with my Dutch freind for feeling that way.
Ps great post earlier cougar. Agree wholeheartedly.
I am increasingly confident we are going to see the wheels come off this whole thing soon (maybe not all at once, but one at a time)
Oh yeah, and brinkmanship only works assuming we have any position to cause damage (to the EU). Unfortunately for the Tories, we don't. The EU know this and the Tories know this.
What a bunch of absolute ****s the British look like at present. We deserve it.
We do have the capacity to cause damage to the EU- in fact we already have. It's just, we can't do it without also harming ourselves. The question you, and the EU negotiators have to ask is are our glorious leaders stupid or sociopathic enough to do so.
(yes, probably)
Yes fair point NW. I do not believe that they are either stupid or sociopathic enough to go through, but clearly they are reckless enough to get themselves (the Tory party) into this in the first place.
Also what would going through with it actually mean anyway? In the medium term, brexit is un-implementable. And the medium term is a long time in politics. Hence i suppose, "transition".
Nice party Coug's?
The para on Aaraon Banks and the government was very amusing....Overen by the idea that any politician goes out of his/her way to run the country into the ground.
My party seems very staid in contrast,
Oh yeah, and brinkmanship only works assuming we have any position to cause damage (to the EU).
I was meaning more in terms of self-harm than harm to others. If people want something which is bad for them you can say "no" or you can promise it to them and let them find out the harm for themselves.
My party seems very staid in contrast,
Which party would that be? I've lost track.
Ah I see what you mean cougar, I suppose you could view it either way.
Thm, I guess the willingness of those in power to run the country into the ground, is proportional to their level of cowardice with respect to facing the reality of the electorate's wrath.
The longer it goes on, the worse things will get: For the British generally and them personally.
It's got a strange kind of symetric beauty about it.
@tmh prior "studies" have been far too broad, did not break out immigration properly by country and by job type and compensation and hence tax paid. You need to do that and then start stratifying where visas woukd be granted and where they would not and/or only short term visas. Also any study needs to FULLY cost impact on housing, infrastructure and helath service provision.
Spot on, why do we need a bigger study when you have already presented us with the answers...
YOu should probably be careful what you ask for though, a study into all that will probably tell you what common sense would that a mostly young and healthy bunch of immigrants has a much lower footprint than the aging UK population and contributes more before either staying and becoming britsh or leaving.
Months in and still no good news, unless you count the prospect of being taken roughly from behind by one of Trumps kids during the trade negotiations. It will be interesting to compare the UK vs EU deal with Australia (well in 5-10 years when the UK one is finished)
[quote=jambalaya ]Well that's a bit of a shocker considering airport rates are supposed to be 1:1 as leople here like to post (hence my ripost).
Supposed to be? Do you not believe it? I could do with some cheap Euros though - given you seem to be the expert on this, could you explain how I get the Eurotunnel rate when exchanging my pounds?
[quote=mrmo > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/28/taoiseach-leo-varadkar-ireland-not-design-border-brexiteers
I think the summary, you created this mess, now clean it up.
I'm wondering if this is the key issue. It's not like it's got no publicity at all, but I'm not sure people appreciate how crucial and difficult this issue is.
Because personally I think I'd rather try to solve the Middle East Problem than attempt to work out a solution to the post-Brexit Irish border. Is there any possible solution acceptable to all parties?
Not only that, but this issue also kind of scuppers the "no deal" option - because that would result in the worst possible "solution" which pretty much everybody would hate (not even the DUP, despite a hard border satisfying some of their ideologies).
Jambas, you can provide me with the links of the overly broad analysis if you like - they would be easy to counter. If by broad you mean (irony coming here .... 😉 ) the ability to reconsider that immigrants are not only a supply of labour but also a source of demand, then the breadth of analysis is welcome even required. Otherwise people get into the myopic debate about how immigrants simply take/consume resources when nothing could be farther from the truth.
Cougar - a very pleasant dinner one. I was assuming by the more elaborate (!?!) points above that you had also had a "nice" evening too. I would recommend reading Banks' books for an accurate understanding of his position. It's a rather disturbing read...
I see Fox has said he didn't know about and doesn't agree with Hammond's 3 year transition plan after all....
One can only imagine the mixture of frustration & pity felt by the negotiators on the EU side as they look at their counterparts at the mercy of their clueless and bickering ministers.
THM - happy to read Banks book, buying it I object to. Got a second hand copy?
Kindle version I'm afraid
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Kindle version I'm afraid
Darn. There ought to be a way to send the file through but I bet there isn't.
I have no idea, sorry
I bought it relucntantly, very reluctantly, on the basis of its better to know your enemies and how they won! It's illuminating if disturbing, but better than simply ignoring the events.
Oh I don't disagree, it's just sending my money to that wrecker.
I'm also not drinking in Wetherspoons or buying anything Dyson etc.
(my apple autocorrect tries to put Dyson in as dysfunctional - Freudian)
This classic clip more or less sums up the UK negotiating position.
"Yeah, but not you though, you're ok, it's all those other immigrants."
More or less verbatim what my sister's in-laws told my wife.
Jammers... serious question.... instead of just quoting figures and statistics, have you got anything to say about the social cost of this car crash?
They can all go and live in Asia - do try to keep up!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-05/british-retirees-watch-frozen-pensions-disappear/8161786
Brexit keeps on giving....
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/30/liam-fox-denies-cabinet-deal-on-transitional-eu-free-movement ]Liam Fox has just contradicted everything Hammond said the other day[/url]
its almost like they're all just winging it, literally making it up as they go along, and saying whatever pops into their heads? And that nobody has a ****ing clue what the actual policy is, on account of there not actually being one. On any topic
Truly an absolute omnishambles!
It'd actually be funny if it wasn't so increasingly obvious that the results are going to be absolutely catastrophic! Not for the protagonists, obviously. They're safely insulated from the fallout by their wealth and power. Just us 'little people' who'll be left to pick up the tab, same as with the banking crisis.
Something to look forward too eh?
At this point it is clear that we don't have a functioning govt at all. Barnier might as well be negotiating with me as with Davis.
Could we apply for Merkel to provide an interim government for the UK. 😉
As many have been saying for a while UK universities and research already being damaged by Brexit.
https://elpais.com/elpais/2017/07/19/inenglish/1500483801_779025.html
Good for other EU countries as some excellent scientists already heading home
No smoke without fire as they say, still looking like a strong and stable government. United in purpose to deliver something.
As many have been saying for a while UK universities and research already being damaged by Brexit.
And as others have said maybe they are realising it's time to stand on their own two feet rather than rely on handouts and overseas students.
Missing the point phil. The UK has been a leading research centre due to its excellent universities AND freedom of movement which made it a great location for collaborative funding from the eu. The UK is removing 2 of the 3 things that made it attractive. Students will still get study visa's for the cash but research will leave and that is what makes good universities great.
And as others have said maybe they are realising it's time to stand on their own two feet rather than rely on handouts and overseas students.
What does that actually mean, for a university to "stand on its own feet"? Where is a university to get money from if not "handouts" and tuition fees?
Universities thrive on international cooperation. You know why the Internet was created, because intellectuals wanted to communicate wxith each other.
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/should-referendum-brexit-threads-be-a-ban-on-a-cycling-forum ]Anyhow, what are you doing on this thread, Phil? You wanted it banned.[/url]
philxx1975 - Member
And as others have said maybe they are realising it's time to stand on their own two feet rather than rely on handouts and overseas students.
what you fail to understand is that science is all about collaboration, being part of the EU has made that much easier, not just through shared funding also researchers being able to work here, we attract a huge amount of talent from overseas, especially from the EU via FOM.
as I and others have repeatedly been stating EU workers are already leaving, thanks to the vote, our hostile press, the lies of politicians and the shambolic lack of a plan at the heart of government taking skills and knowledge with them.
There is no glory in the isolationaism of Brexit, science & research institutes wont collapse, but UK science & our knowledgebase is lessened.
Today is the final day that countries can apply for the European Medicines Institute to be hosted in their country when it leaves London, another tickbox on the Brexit checklist of self-harm for the UK.
Brexit is an exercise in ignorance
we had this email from the principle last week, worried that we are losing staff
Dear ColleaguesI last wrote to you on the subject of the UK’s decision to leave the EU in March, following the triggering of Article 50. You will be aware that official negotiations on the UK’s exit from the European Union opened recently and that the UK is due to leave the EU in March 2019.
The UK Government now has a webpage with the latest information about the status of EU nationals in the UK. The webpage will be regularly updated as negotiations progress. The webpage includes the UK Government’s policy document, which outlines a proposed offer to EU citizens resident in this country at the time of Brexit. Of course, we may not know the final agreement between the UK and EU for some time and negotiations over the coming months mean that the situation is subject to change.
We note that the information provided currently states:
There is no need for EU citizens living in the UK to do anything now. There will be no change to the status of EU citizens living in the UK while the UK remains in the EU. If you would like to find out the latest information you can sign up for email updates.
I am acutely aware that many of our colleagues face a period of uncertainty and others will also be concerned about the status of family members, friends and work colleagues. We will do our best to provide relevant support and information to staff throughout this period.
I’d like to remind colleagues that there is a range of information available on our dedicated EU referendum webpage. Colleagues in HR remain on hand to help with queries and to arrange a repeat of previous briefing sessions by lawyers specialising in the area of immigration and employment issues, should colleagues indicate this would be useful. Please contact them on their dedicated email address (EUreferendum@qmul.ac.uk).
You may also find it helpful to take a look at both the Russell Group and UUK’s websites as sources of further information and to understand what sector bodies are doing to influence the government’s position. For example, the Russell Group have recently urged EU Brexit negotiators to make research, innovation and higher education priorities in the upcoming discussions.
The Russell Group has also asked its members to obtain feedback on how the Government’s recent announcement is being perceived by colleagues from other EU countries. If you would like to prove such feedback then please email EUreferendum@qmul.ac.uk.
This is an unsettling period – clearly for colleagues from elsewhere in the EU, but also for staff who are anxious to emphasise the importance of a continued open and global outlook, and the benefits we all derive from membership of an international community here at QMUL and beyond. As always, please send any insights or observations to me via principal@qmul.ac.uk.
Regards
[url= http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40772332 ]Brexit: Race to host EU agencies relocated from London[/url]
Relocation plans need to be finalised well in advance of the "deal" being struck. There is no wait and see what kind of deal or transition option available...
Negotiations are quite straightforward, May's 11 point letter spells it out. Hammond btw said implementation period was for a max of 3 years, thats the limit. Fox said he thought 2 years was fine. In the case of Vince Cable there is an awful lot of bark and no bite.
Barnier is stuck as he can't admit that the answer to "what is the legal basis of the Brexit Bill" - is erm ... none.
@cornholio did you see my post that the Medical / Drug Authorisation Authority is here because the expertease is mostly British ? If they move it they'll either jave to pursuede all the experts to move (costly) ot somejow hire more which by all accounts don't exist in Europe. As for things like the EIB it should IMO go and we should withdraw our £6bn of capital.
TMH there will be a social benefit from having a more balanced, global and diversified immigration policy. Whats unbalanced is an unlimited number of predominantly white Europeans and the public's view it's uncontrolled, very divisive.
Nice trolling Cable. 8)
If they move it they'll either jave to pursuede all the experts to move (
I suspect that might be easier than you think Jamba. Since June last year a lot of folk born in Britain think it's not the place it was and leaving might make sense.
more balanced... immigration
So why are you arguing against balance in favour of skilled / rich only? Balanced is what we had.
ah bless....
It's all going swimmingly.
If the guys at the drug agency want their jobs they will have to move full stop. It's leaving along with the other organisations. The UK doesn't have any key government operations outside the UK does it why would the EU?
I'm sure most brexiters will be shocked to know the earth doesn't revolve around Grenwich.
Negotiations are quite straightforward,
didnt Davis say it would be as complicated as the moon landings?
but then he said scheduling would be the 'row of the summer' and on day 1 of the negotiations he meekly agreed to the EU's timetable.
they dont have a clue. maybots wishlist was always fantasy, after her electoral humiliation it may as well be written in smoke.
Whats unbalanced is an unlimited number of predominantly white Europeans and the public's view it's uncontrolled, very divisive.
yeah coz all those brexies want more brown folk instead.... you are kidding no on one with that line!
So.... Hammond, Rudd, Johnson, Fox, Davis, PM all saying completely different things about, transition, FOM, 'implementation', deals
no wonder business investment is down and companies are setting up EU bases out of the UK
even the cabinet cant decide what the 'plan' is 😯
On the European Agencies, banking should definitely go makes total sense and none for it to remain in the UK
Also I love this
The 27 remaining EU countries are determined that the UK will pay the relocation bill, as Brexit was a
Nope, leaving the UK is their decsion. The EU will pay
Yep these 2 are a quick 1000 jobs gone. Now either these people leave the UK or you need to generate 1000 jobs to replace them. I think it was quoted as 40,000 nights of visitor accommodation etc. That's quite a lot of cash to kiss goodbye to. Moving costs would depend on what sort of legally binding contracts were signed when they were located here.
Nope, leaving the UK is their decsion. The EU will pay
quite some brexi-logic there, especially as we arent even looking at EEA membership
only one country voted to turn its back on the EU
that we'd loose the EMA & the new patent court wed been so instrumental in setting up was as usual dismissed as 'project fear' by the bullshitters before the ref
[url= https://www.ft.com/content/1a5df2de-13a2-11e6-91da-096d89bd2173 ]UK would lose two pharma bodies in event of Brexit, lawyers warn[/url]
as for who will pay.... are you are as certain about that as you were of maybots landslide? 😉
Yep these 2 are a quick 1000 jobs gone.
We voted in a referendum [b]overwhelmingly[/b] to get rid of jobs so that we could give that £350M/wk to the NHS and take back control of our borders from all those foreigners.
Suck it up snowflake.
And as others have said maybe they are realising it's time to stand on their own two feet rather than rely on handouts and overseas students.
That is completely and utterly nonsensical. Don't take my word for it, go and speak to others employed in the area of academic research.
Nope, leaving the UK is their decsion. The EU will pay
No, the UK is leaving the EU, the UK doesn't want anything to do with the EU so has asked for the agencies to be kicked out. Quite simply really.
Obviously there is the opportunity for all those people to stay and work for the new agency the UK will set up to duplicate all the functions of the one that is leaving.
Think of all that duplication of red tape you're advocating.
As an aside, seen the comments floating around about the acid attacks and the link to the government getting rid of red tape and the anti free-market rules entailed.
Think of all that duplication of red tape you're advocating
yep
and to administer the [url= http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2017/01/06/britain-will-break-free-of-the-common-agricultural-policy-but-we-still-need-to-subsidise-farmers/ ]CAP payments, setting up our own food & agriculture standards committees[/url] , regional development grants etc etc, current suggestion is indeed to carry out trial to duplicate EMA work in the UK, which will be hugely expensive & time consuming, either costing gov. millions or increasing price of drugs
oh and duplicating Euratom, oh and will have to [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-negotiator-europe-euratom-airline-safety-negotiations-theresa-may-worse-anyone-guessed-a7858586.html ]create a body & inspectors to certify our own aviation safety personel[/url]
then theres the new IT system to monitor EU citizens, and [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-national-audit-office-amyas-morse-customs-check-computer-it-system-a7837811.html ]the new custons it system[/url] oh and [url= https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/31/eu-supports-poorer-regions-tories-abandon-brexit-funding ]LGAs have asked for guarantees that we will replicate the regional development fund[/url]
all hail the bureaucracy of Brexit!