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the attackers racially abused Amo as they were beating him
And yet the headline reads "not a racist crime".
The police.... edited
[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-government-to-scale-down-climate-change-and-illegal-wildlife-measure-a7674706.html ]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-government-to-scale-down-climate-change-and-illegal-wildlife-measure-a7674706.html[/url]
More good news i think we can all agree. Pesky red tape...
mattjg, interesting how one article states racist and the police state it isn't...so who is telling the truth?
Gotta love the Remoaners; even with their vastly superior intellect they get outmanoeuvred by the thick racist Brexiteers ... oh the shame!!
Then even though its the Brexiteers who will suffer the most from the economic doomsday - the Remoaners are the ones most scared of it (even though they themselves will be ok in every worse case scenario anyways).
How dare we care! 🙄
mattjg, interesting how one article states racist and the police state it isn't...so who is telling the truth?
My understanding is the cops don't believe the attack on the Pole was racist, but presumably due to a dispute and the shopkeeper was attacked for intervening not for his race.
Gotta love the Remoaners; even with their vastly superior intellect they get outmanoeuvred by the thick racist Brexiteers ... oh the shame!!
And Aaron Banks 14 million quid, and the editors of the Mail, Sun, Express and Telegraph etc.
Fundamentally Leave used rhetoric and Remain used logic. For a lot of the voter base rhetoric trumps logic. It's hard to beat "Take Back Control" with people not interested in analysis, even when it's false.
And it's obviously not true that all leave voters are racist, very few people have said that. It's leaver self victimisation used by the people pulling the strings to create a sense of grudge.
Then even though its the Brexiteers who will suffer the most from the economic doomsday - the Remoaners are the ones most scared of it (even though they themselves will be ok in every worse case scenario anyways).
Not true we're all going to suffer, especially our kids.
"You Brexies really have messed up Britain haven't you?"
Aye well it was nigh on a perfect country before June last year, no crime of any type. Lions lay down with lambs, the country flowed with milk and honey, we were beating swords into plough shares, work was one day a week, beer fags n drugs were free and everyone loved each other. The poor were not being crapped on daily by the educated classes and the perpetual moaning machine was not yet invented.
The above is what an independent Yorkshire will be like. Honest.
You left out flogging a dead horse.
mattjg, interesting how one article states racist and the police state it isn't...so who is telling the truth?
Indeed we are living in strange times. In France a Jewish woman was murdered by a Muslim who subsequently has been linked to extremist views. Police said it's not a hate crime. At a peace demonstration in her memory this weekend - the white march - masked men tried to disrupt it. Not hate crimes say the authorities.
Aye well it was nigh on a perfect country before June last year
No it had many problems. Almost none of which were caused by EU membership or will be remediated by leaving it.
Gotta love the Remoaners; even with their vastly superior intellect they get outmanoeuvred by the thick racist Brexiteers ... oh the shame!!
That the thick outnumber the clever isn't really anything to gloat about is it? It's bad for all of us, probably worse for the thick though.
by the educated classes
I didn't think education was a class thing everyone can be in the educated classes if they choose to be - some like Bob just choose not to be.
thecaptain - MemberThat the thick outnumber the clever isn't really anything to gloat about is it? It's bad for all of us, probably worse for the thick though.
The thick outnumber the clever? That's assumed only if you are in the Remoaners camp I'd guess.
I do appreciate how you adhere to the stereotype though
The thick outnumber the clever? That's assumed only if you are in the Remoaners camp I'd guess.
I do appreciate how you adhere to the stereotype though
Any evidence (like a real fact) the leaving is going to be good? Don't bother with any 'taking back control' or 350million a week for the NHS, but a real, concrete benefit?
Remainers still moaning. Still trying to justify remaining in the EU. Still hurling insults. Still bitter. Poor them.
"No it had many problems. Almost none of which were caused by EU membership or will be remediated by leaving it."
Do bears shit in the woods?
Whatever your view on Brexit, getting Yorkshire free of the rest of the UK is a priority. If we have our way at the Yorkshire Independance we'll be out of the EU, UN, any other big letters with a U in, maybe even the Universe.
@jamby. I like to think my contribution is at the more intelligent and thoughtless end of the debate. Mind you some of the folks on here must be psychic as they seem to be able to tell us the future. A person on here even knows his kids future is knackered due to Brexit, if he could see into the future for that why have them kids.
Whatever your view on Brexit, getting Yorkshire free of the rest of the UK is a priority. If we have our way at the Yorkshire Independance we'll be out of the EU, UN, any other big letters with a U in, maybe even the Universe.
So quit belly-aching and demand a referendum from Theresa May. If Nicola Sturgeon can do it, surely you can?
Or are we saying that people of Scotland have more determination than those of Yorkshire?
Remainers still moaning. Still trying to justify remaining in the EU. Still hurling insults. Still bitter. Poor them.
Not moaning at all, we're pushing for what we think is best. That's how democracy works, it didn't stop on June 24th 2016.
A 16-17 vote, with the 16 homogenous and the 17 very splintered, is not a sound foundation. You know it.
You think this is in the bag. It's not and that blind spot could well be the leave campaign's undoing.
My understanding is the cops don't believe the attack on the Pole was racist, but presumably due to a dispute and the shopkeeper was attacked for intervening not for his race.
Is being Polish a race? It could 'just' be over a girl, for example, but equally could still be an anti-immigration hate crime, and the police are probably being careful in what they say while investigating that line.
The (brave) shopkeeper stepped in and his race had no bearing about him then being attacked for stepping in, ergo not racially motivated. That the attack then involved racial insults according to the witness doesn't mean it was racially [i]motivated[/i], but (if true, and not sure why it wouldn't be) it would seem that it was carried out by a bunch of racist scumbags.
Hopefully they are found and appropriately dealt with.
@oldnpastit Steady on lad. We aint remoaning,have you ever witnessed a person born of the county of York have right winge about anything? Well other than prices.
Our next step is to bring in outside consultants to help us get an indy referendum. We have two candidates, Mr Farage and a Ms Sturgeon. They both have been closely link to successful (one of them anyway) indy campaigns only one likes to get down the pub for a few pints. This candidate also has the added qualification of being opinionated and thick skinned, this will help in communication the Riddings. The other thing that separates them from the other candidate, they won.
Why have we not interviewed a Mr Salmond? We wanted someone who simple Yorkshire folk could trust when he spoke, failed that one. Also his racing tips are rubbish. Also he lost.
I'm declaring UDI for the People's Republic of Surrey Hills.
We'll be linked to London City State via the Esher corridor, so won't be leaving the EU, and parking spaces at Walking Bottom will be for citizens only.
I don't understand why the people of Yorkshire seem so content to live under the yoke of us southerners.
I think it must be because they are weak.
Edukator - Reformed TrollAnd yet the headline reads "not a racist crime".
The headline is just wrong, they seem to have missed the difference between "racist" and "racially motivated". If you attack someone because they spilled your pint then racially abuse them, it's racist but not racially motivated. (headline writing often not done by the person who wrote the article)
oldnpastit - Member
I don't understand why the people of Yorkshire seem so content to live under the yoke of us southerners.I think it must be because they are weak.
It's so they can get our (proper) beer tariff free
I think it must be because they are weak.
Ssssshhhhhhh - they've yet to notice the debilitating effect of beer pulled through sparklers.
"I don't understand why the people of Yorkshire seem so content to live under the yoke of us southerners.
I think it must be because they are weak."
That we are lad that we are. Those of us in the Free Yorkshire movement keep on trying to tell the good folk of this county that living of the tax of those wealthy hard working southerners is not right. They send us money pay for the YHS, buy our lamb, beef, peas and beer to humiliate us. They walk, climb n ride our trails, spend money int pubs. We hate this of course and cannot wait to be free but poorer. We'd sooner be poor masters than rich slaves.
Getting in to Yorkshire will be chargeable after we win vote if you are coming from the south.
"Ssssshhhhhhh - they've yet to notice the debilitating effect of beer pulled through sparklers."
So thats how its done!
As someone living with a German citizen here in the UK I can relate to every one of these stories.
We too are making our plans to leave. It may not be for a while as a farm is not the kind of business you can simply shut down overnight. But for all the reasons given by the people in that article we also have no great wish to remain here any longer than necessary.
That makes me sad welshfarmer. All the best.
That's a pretty depressing read.
It's ok, immigrants will still be given visas to come here, don't worry!
No-one on the Brexit side seems to have considered whether or not skilled EU migrants will actually *want* to come here any more.
No-one on the Brexit side seems to have considered whether or not skilled EU migrants will actually *want* to come here any more.
These people seem to be positively relishing the prospect:
yup europeans i know are all considering their future in the uk
@kimbers did you see my post about how UK Passport applications from French have doubled. IMO people won't leave if they have decent work and will need a VISA to return. It's a two way street. The UK is a very attractive place to live and work, our economy is so much more vibrant than the vast majority of the EU. Plus the language, people want to improve their English. It's the gateway to better employment opportunites globally.
UK Passport applications from French have doubled
Of course they have. Obvious why.
UK Passport applications from French have doubled
Didn't see that post. Doubled from what number?
I'd guess that pre-Brexit there weren't that many French folk looking to get UK passports, because FOM meant they didn't need them?
So doesn't seem very surprising there is an upsurge there. What will matter is how that compares to the number of people leaving.
Did we do this one yet?
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/01/now-sovereign-nation-must-bring-back-imperial-units/ ]Now that we are to be a sovereign nation again, we must bring back imperial units (Daily Telegraph, 2nd April 2017)[/url]
Ok, anyone able to enlighten me as to why it's more acceptable (possibly aimed at the Leavers/Brexiters) to let migrants in who'll earn MORE than £35k pa than just let migrants in?
Is it so we now won't upset the
, or we want to upset the middle classes or something else?Bob's
There are 400,000 French in London, many will have businesses and families in the UK now so it's no surprise some are doing their best to stay. I would expect "doubled" would mean from one low number to another, as previously there was no need for a UK passport.
But ask yourself - if you were a smart young Euro looking to move and shake things up a bit, would UK be at the top of the list any more?
No not for me either.
As for those disparates from the much poorer EU countries working for a fiver an hour on the black market, or exploited by criminals at their country of origin, or part of gangs, will they still come?
Now that we are to be a sovereign nation again, we must bring back imperial units (Daily Telegraph, 2nd April 2017)
Hard to believe this is real. Good grief.
and good luck finding people who understand them. I am 50 so can use metric and imperial as have used both all my life but most people under 30 won't have a clue.
a cwt what now...
[I]and good luck finding people who understand them. I am 50 so can use metric and imperial as have used both all my life but most people under 30 won't have a clue.[/I]
Yep.
Last time someone said this to me I responded with "agree, the chain is a much under-used measure - and remind me, how many stone in a hundred-weight?".
Knobs.
I'm early 50's and can work in both, yet many folk can use neither competently - ie what does a kilo/pound 'feel' like.
@welshfarmer where are you thinking of going and doing what?
We're 100% English - no fast EU passport route for us - but have links to a community in France where we're welcome, we're doing the "what-ifs".
Knobs
Word.
50 too.
Journeys in miles, bike weights in pounds, everything else metric! There are people who want to go back to £ s d too (12 d in a s I believe). And some who are willing to pay any price to get a blue passport.
Pathetic.
Science lessons about to get harder then.
Even the Americans use metric for science these days (because the numbers actually work out without odd conversion factors that really just change the imperial back into metric for the calculation).
Telegraph idiot is also wrong. I frequently buy pint bottles in the supermarket and pour them into pint glasses at home if needed.
I know not all Brexies are idiots, but some of them...
I know not all Brexies are idiots, but some of them...
You can play an endless substitution game with this.
Not all leave voters are *s but most *s voted leave.
Far be it from me to suggest the wildcards. 😉
mattjg - MemberAs for those disparates from the much poorer EU countries working for a fiver an hour on the black market, or exploited by criminals at their country of origin, or part of gangs, will they still come?
Chuck in free health care, housing and education for yourself & family ... it's a very tempting offer. Especially if one of your family has a health concern already.
Of course we will be using imperial units, Brexit is all about recreating the myth of Empire, listen to the rhetoric;
A great trading nation, ruling the waves, global Britain, They need us more than we need them, Johnny foreigner reduced to someone who is seen not heard? (like moomans coment??-you can pick our fruit out of sight but you better bally well not be in my GP surgery!!),
Feet and inches, pints and pounds, hurrah!!!
Deluded jingoism at its finest
kimbers - Member
(like moomans coment??-you can pick our fruit out of sight but you better bally well not be in my GP surgery!!),
Except mooman didn't actually write that ...
Which kinda illustrates the problem the typical Remoaners has ... their superior intellect interprets thick racist comments into logical & intellectual facts; but unfortunately only their own minds can see it.
Which kinda illustrates the problem the typical Remoaners has ... their superior intellect interprets thick racist comments into logical & intellectual facts; but unfortunately only their own minds can see it.
Whatever your point, this remain voter (I won't answer to Remoaner, no democrat would use that phrase) needs it explained more simply please.
Hard to believe this is real. Good grief.
I put the date on the link because I honestly had to check it to make sure it wasn't their April Fool's story!
Clearly it all went wrong when we went to a metric currency. Perhaps post-Brexit will see a return to groats, or shiny pebbles, or the skins of our fallen enemies? 😆
"God Save The Queen" is to be officially replaced as the national anthem by "One World Cup And Two World Wars"
I put the date on the link because I honestly had to check it to make sure it wasn't their April Fool's story!
The journo is probably just filing copy to get his invoice paid.
But some of the readers probably believe it!
I wasted my one "Premium" story a day to read the full content. He really doesn't say much beyond what you get in the preview:
But we have been forced on to the Celsius temperature scale, which is less precise than Fahrenheit; we can't buy groceries in pounds and ounces, or petrol in gallons, or wallpaper in yards, even though these measurements are second nature to most of us.Laws criminalising imperial measures must be repealed. Pol Roger has announced that it will once more sell champagne in Churchill's favourite pint measure: British companies must now follow where a French one has led.
No reasoning. No discussion of the pros and cons. No thoughts on the possible impact of this change. He just says we should do it and then bibbles off onto other swivel-eyed stories, specifically:
Huge amounts are spent investigating so-called “hate crimes” that are nothing of the sort: it is pretty hateful to have one’s home violated by a burglar....
..If the police won’t prioritise the hate crime of burglary, the Crown Prosecution Service should stop prosecuting those who give burglars what is coming to them
And
It will be very hard for the Government to explain its reasoning if Mr Farage remains un-knighted come June.
😯
Wow. And in his next breath he'll be saying "why won't remain voters get behind us".
How many flaggons are there in a groat anyway?
But some of the readers probably believe it!
Yeah I'm not sure who exactly he means when he says "these measurements are second nature to most of us".
I suspect he specifically means people like him, Telegraph readers in their late 50s and beyond.
Pounds, yards and gallons are pretty far from "second nature" to me and I'm in my early forties.
You could just replace pretty much all of Simon Heffers delusional ramblings with the sentence "Weren't the 1950's absolutely bally marvellous? Lets got back there, shall we. NURSE!!!", and have done with it.
In fact, that pretty much covers the entire output of the Daily Telegraph
I can't see the whole Heffer article, it's paywalled but the part I see is pure Poe's Law. "celsius is less precise than fahrenheit", someone explain to this man how to do fractions...
GrahamS - MemberYeah I'm not sure who exactly he means when he says "these measurements are second nature to most of us".
I suspect he specifically means people like him, Telegraph readers in their late 50s and beyond.
Like he said, Us. Everyone who doesn't is obviously Them.
kerley - Memberand good luck finding people who understand them
Games Workshop nerds.
I can't see the whole Heffer article
I posted the rest of it. What little there is.
But we have been forced on to the Celsius temperature scale, which is less precise than Fahrenheit
WTAF?
The UK is a very attractive place to live and work
It was, until it voted to get rid of all the bloody foreigners.
It doesn't make the place look good, does it?
GrahamS - MemberI posted the rest of it. What little there is.
Ah sorry, I thought that must just be edited highlights
I think he means that the Fahrenheit is more granular.
On the [i]perfectly sensible[/i] Fahrenheit scale, the freezing point of water is 32 °F the boiling point is 212 °F - so 180 degrees between. For some reason.
Whereas that silly Celsius scale goes from freezing at 0°C to boiling at 100°C - so only 100 degrees between.
I do love the idea that Celsius is some evil foreign measurement that displaced the good British imperial Fahrenheit scale.
I mean "Fahrenheit" is not a exactly a common British surname is it? 😆
[I]Ok, anyone able to enlighten me as to why it's more acceptable (possibly aimed at the Leavers/Brexiters) to let migrants in who'll earn MORE than £35k pa than just let migrants in?[/I]
What, no Brexiters in yet?
I assumed that seeing as the tabloids were dictating the rest of government policy, post-brexit, we'd be switching to their recognised units of measurements..... double-decker buses, football pitches, and how many of a thing you have to stack end-to-end to reach the moon
People that need accuracy and a consistent unit of measurement for temperature use Kelvin and Celcius though don't they?
"Experts" eh?
Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit was Dutch, born in Poland.
By the end of the 20th century, Fahrenheit was used as the official temperature scale only in the United States (including its unincorporated territories), its freely associated states in the Western Pacific (Palau, the Federated States of Micronesia and the Marshall Islands), the Bahamas, Belize, and the Cayman Islands.[b] All other countries in the world now use the Celsius scale[/b]
So clearly we should be going straight back there 😆
Maybe we should compromise and go back to Centigrade?
Its a great patriotic British name like Farage and Alexander Boris de Pfeffel JohnsonI mean "Fahrenheit" is not a exactly a common British surname is it?
Agreed I could just about use them and the only imperial ones i use are for height and weight of humans- I can do kg for weight never quite got cm for heightPounds, yards and gallons are pretty far from "second nature" to me and I'm in my early forties.
That said for any calculation Imperial units can **** the **** off as they are terrible to work with
100 Fahrenheit is the body temperature of a cow, or something precise like that, isn't it? (suppose I could Google, but CBA)
That Torygraph article must be a troll.....surely!?
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34931725 ]looks like net migration isn't high enough[/url] oops we need [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39507859 ]more people[/url]
My wife worked for a long time in social care, it will be the old poorer people needing state funded care the most, or Brexiteers if you like. And I my Wifes experience is anything to go by they don't like being looked after by Nigerians and Kenyans.
[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit ]According to Wiki[/url] it is even more arbitrary than that DrJ:
According to a letter Fahrenheit wrote to his friend Herman Boerhaave, his scale was built on the work of Ole Rømer, whom he had met earlier.
In Rømer's scale, brine freezes at zero, water freezes and melts at 7.5 degrees, body temperature is 22.5, and water boils at 60 degrees. Fahrenheit multiplied each value by four in order to eliminate fractions and increase the granularity of the scale.
He then re-calibrated his scale using the melting point of ice and normal human body temperature (which were at 30 and 90 degrees); he adjusted the scale so that the melting point of ice would be 32 degrees and body temperature 96 degrees, so that 64 intervals would separate the two, allowing him to mark degree lines on his instruments by simply bisecting the interval six times (since 64 is 2 to the sixth power).
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Well full marks to Fahrenheit for creativity.
The UK you say. Nope never heard of you, now back in your box 😆
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39565700
Maybe we should compromise and go back to Centigrade?
or as a forward thinking globalised economy we can adopt the Kelvin as our standard measure of temperature. Further as a modern forward thinking country all non SI units should be scrapped and no allowances made for those who wish to cling to outdated concepts such as pints and furlongs.