[Closed] EU Referendum - are you in or out?

sbob - Member

I'm not sure.
Are you linking to a story of a positive nature, or dwelling on negativity and proving my point?

Im not quite sure where a bank not quitting the UK would be considered good news, I mean its not bad news, but they arent employing anyone new, they are just moving buildings, Post brexit is this the best we can hope for?

If you can find some genuine good news, please share it

like this?

https://www.ft.com/content/4959296c-13a3-11e7-b0c1-37e417ee6c76

Japan’s business lobby issues fresh Brexit warning to Theresa May

Call for ‘deeper consideration’ comes as some German companies reveal plans for shift from UK

Not sure what your point is? Media bias?

Forum bias.
How is it spin to report on DB committing to a 25 year lease for their headquarters in London?

As a side note, I'd love to know what engine and search terms you used to find that link... 😉

How is it spin to report on DB committing to a 25 year lease for their headquarters in London?

your missing the point

a bank moving buildings isnt even vaguely newsworthy

unless the country is about to do something so stupid that people looking for a positive spin on brexit link to it as 'good news'

How is it spin to report on DB committing to a 25 year lease for their headquarters in London?

Read the article. The spin comes from the article author who does the jamba-thing of telling us that plummeting sterling is really a great thing. He even slipped in "Remoaners" 🙄

As a side note, I'd love to know what engine and search terms you used to find that link...

You alluded to Deutsche Bank being in the news so my search term was "Deutsche Bank" and the engine was Google News.

That article was the 3rd hit, and the first that seemed relevant assuming you weren't talking about them "reducing cheque clearing in euros in Middle East".

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Deutsche+Bank#q=Deutsche+Bank&tbm=nws&*

I'm not quite sure where a bank not quitting the UK would be considered good news

😆
Anywhere but here kimbers, anywhere but here.

Thanks for further bolstering my point.
In a constantly changing world, of course a 25yr commitment is good news, yet you manage to spin it negatively. 🙂

that's the point - their bananas suddenly became grade 2 product and they had to rename them to something else to get grade 1 back again.

this is simply not the case.

The exporters might have incorrectly labelled them class one before the rule was introduced but all the rule did was standardise gradings. Standardisation of gradings helps consumers know what they are buying

yet you manage to spin it negatively.

I really didnt have to try hard

your logical fallacy managed it for me 😉

That article was the 3rd hit

Your google must work differently.
Even using your link, above the Forbes article I get:

Deutsche Bank commits to London by securing new HQ
Telegraph.co.uk-23 Mar 2017

Deutsche Bank commits to new London office
BBC News-24 Mar 2017

Deutsche Bank is planning a new London HQ despite Brexit
Business Insider-24 Mar 2017

Deutsche Bank in vote of confidence for post-Brexit London
Local Source-Financial Times-23 Mar 2017

Deutsche Bank shows faith in post-Brexit City with new HQ plan
Highly Cited-Sky News-23 Mar 2017

Deutsche Bank puts faith in Brexit Britain with new City headquarters ...
Local Source-City A.M.-23 Mar 2017

As I say, all before your link but then my google (Win 10, Firefox, ABP) must work differently.

In a constantly changing world, of course a 25yr commitment is good news,

A 25 year lease agreement is great news for their prospective landlord.

But I'm not sure what can be read beyond that?

yet you manage to spin it negatively.

Whereas you seem happy to completely ignore the negative aspect of the story: Deutsche Bank's prediction for the future of sterling.

Your google must work differently.
Even using your link, above the Forbes article I get:

Yes, Google tailors results based on past hits.
(That's why you probably see Singletrack show up in your results so often)

I also got a bunch of stories relating to the US and Donald Trump, since I've been googling them too:

Reviving Deutsche Bank in US is priority for CEO John Cryan
Financial Times-26 Mar 2017

Trump Wants To Restructure $300 Million Loan From Deutsche Bank
ETF Daily News (blog)-27 Mar 2017

Deutsche Bank in Bind Over How to Modify $300 Million Trump Debt
Bloomberg-27 Mar 2017

Donald Trump still personally guarantees $300M in Deutsche Bank ...
The Real Deal Magazine-22 hours ago

kimbers - Member

I really didn't have to try hard

your logical fallacy managed it for me

I congratulated one of my *scientist friends on securing more funding for research the other day.

Remind me to retract my congratulations, as according to you it wasn't in fact good news. 🙄

*Genuine coincidence, however tasty. 🙂

GrahamS - Member

Yes, Google tailors results based on past hits.

So even Google agrees with me about your bias!

And yours evidently, yes.

Running that search in "Incognito Mode" still gives that story as the third main hit (i.e. after the compressed ones at the top).

It's from Forbes, it's not like I pulled it out of some obscure news website AND it is a positive pro-Brexit article.

(i.e. after the compressed ones at the top)

Would that be after all the ones that I posted? 🙂

Would that be after all the ones that I posted?

Yup, the Trump/US ones come first, then your ones, then the main links:

Here's a screenshot if you are still confused about how I could possibly find that story:

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I agree they are different systems, obviously, but I don't think it is as undemocratic as the detractors make out.

Whereas I think many people think a member has equivalent powers to a member of our parliament. You also miss out the fact that any decision by the parliaments can be effectively vetoed by the Council of Minsters.

Regarding Bananas it was illegal to sell bananas which did not meet the regulation size, this was amended in 2009.

Regarding Bananas it was illegal to sell bananas which did not meet the regulation size, this was amended in 2009.

So a regulation that was repealed 8 years ago and had nothing to do with banning bendy bananas in the first place.

Good reason to leave the EU now 🙄

AND it is a positive pro-Brexit article

Though earlier:

Whereas you seem happy to completely ignore the negative aspect of the story: Deutsche Bank's prediction for the future of sterling.

Not at all.
The main aspect of the article was negative. The positive bit was sandwiched in the middle of all the negativity.

Not that according to you or kimbers it is positive:

A 25 year lease agreement is great news for their prospective landlord.

But I'm not sure what can be read beyond that?

So it isn't positive?

WRT your screenshot; 14 news articles, six with positive headlines, one with negative.
So that's seven that illustrate my point. 💡

I'm off to do something more worthwhile, I think I've got some cats to plait out back...

GrahamS - Member

So a regulation that was repealed 8 years ago and had nothing to do with banning bendy bananas in the first place.

I don't know, why don't we discuss it?
It's not like the actual legislation which did refer to bananas with "abnormal curvature" has been linked to has it?

Get back here Kitty.

Good reason to leave the EU now

The fact it made a stupid regulation in the first place is pretty indicative of how it has and continues to involve itself unnecessarily. Markets have developed certification standards for years without them needing to be enshrined in law, it was one of the original purposes of the livery companies in the City of London.

The main aspect of the article was negative.

You clearly haven't read it.

It was written by a pro-Brexit author who says he'd [i]"take it with a pinch of salt myself"[/i] and explains why a falling pound it [i]"makes our own exports cheaper, meaning there will be more of them"[/i] and is [i]"exactly what will deal with that current account deficit."[/i].

So it isn't positive?

It's a [i]good thing[/i], but I'm not sure I read a building rental it as a huge commitment.

If you read the Telegraph article (your top hit) it also notes: [i]"The lender also has several other leases which will expire in the coming years, and over time hopes to reduce its presence from the current 15 buildings in London."[/i]

That article also quotes the Chief Executive as saying they have [i]"strategic goals of increasing efficiency"[/i]

WRT your screenshot; 14 news articles, six with positive headlines, one with negative.

All you alluded to was something in the news about Deutsche Bank.

I naively thought you might be referring to the (positively spun pro-Brexit) story from the day before yesterday, rather than old headlines from five days ago.

But yeah, course, bias. #fakenews 🙄

It's not like the actual legislation which did refer to bananas with "abnormal curvature" has been linked to has it?

Yes it has. I linked to it. And it doesn't ban bendy bananas does it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Regulation_(EC)_No._2257/94
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:1994R2257:20060217:EN:PDF

The fact it made a stupid regulation in the first place is pretty indicative of how it has and continues to involve itself unnecessarily. Markets have developed certification standards for years without them needing to be enshrined in law, it was one of the original purposes of the livery companies in the City of London.

Trading block seeks to define legal trading standards at the bequest of traders.

Not sure I see the issue there. Certainly I can understand that if I were a grocer ordering 50 tons of bananas from mainland Europe I'd want some kind of assurance that I'd receive something looking like this:

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And not this:
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It's not about bananas guys! Not for me anyway.

TurnerGuy - Member

funny how I never said that they were banned

:scratchchin:

'Nanas again

It's a classic brexie myth,

Just like Cummings etal bragged about

Of course it's all lies, just keep repeating it and it'll focus the debate on these terrible regulations that supposedly? ruin all our lives

Meanwhile the Scots are of and Britain is becoming ever more parochial, the stark inequalities in our communities will only get worse, crumbling standards in education, NHS, social care, local council funding all conveniently ignored while we celebrate our sovereignty 🙄

I naively thought you might be referring to the (positively spun pro-Brexit) story from the day before yesterday, rather than old headlines from five days ago.

I'll remember in the future that you filter your news to stories younger, but not older, than three days.

#coughbullshitcough
😀

Or perhaps instead of playing The Pronoun Game with a vaguely worded post about [i]"that little piece of news..."[/i] and an amusing photo of Bojo doing his Jimmy Hill face you could instead provide an actual link to the thing you want to talk about?

Trading block seeks to define legal trading standards at the bequest of traders.

I'm not sure it had a terminal effect on any traders, but the point being market standards don't need to be made into law, the world relies on many standards that aren't laid down in regulation.

So May now wants [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39416864 ]a "deep and special partnership" after Brexit[/url].

Is that better or worse than a Red,White and Blue Brexit?

It was in the news, I thought the protagonists on here liked to be informed and would have been aware of it.
It's positive news, in spite of Brexit, that no one had mentioned.
Funny that it had been mentioned on other forums, but not here.
I hadn't mentioned it sooner as I thought I'd give the forum a chance to prove me wrong. 🙂

So May now wants a "deep and special partnership" after Brexit.

Joint custody of the kids and still get together for birthdays and Christmas?

It was in the news, I thought the protagonists on here liked to be informed and would have been aware of it.

I was aware of it. I was also aware of the further nuances since the original story broke five days ago, so I linked to something more current that covered both points and asked you if that was what you meant because you hadn't bothered to explain.

Still struggling to see what your issue is with that but do carry on. I have cats to plait.

still get together for birthdays and Christmas?

The fun continues
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39417715 ]MPs 'walk out' in protest at 'too gloomy' Brexit report[/url]

Glaring at each other over Turkey?

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So May now wants a "deep and special partnership" after Brexit.

She just said that? After her behaviour the last 6 months?

She's totally lost it hasn't she.

Sbob. Can you at least promise me that, extreme circumstances notwithstanding, you will stick around on here for the next couple of years at least? I doubt even you are going to be able to explain away all the bad things that are going to happen as the result of either bitter foreigners or pessimistic remain voters.

You carry on enjoying yourself in the meantime, fella. Just please don't do a Houdini when it all starts to turn to shit, yeah?

Jamby, Ninfers and Chewie likewise, please.

It's your victory guys, you should be proud.

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Actually when Brexit isn't a success could all the Brexies follow Dear Leader Nige's example and leave the country.
That will at least leave room for some hardworking Poles and Romanians instead of you work shy bunch. 😉

She just said that? After her behaviour the last 6 months?

She's totally lost it hasn't she.

I think Davis, might have finally done some of those sums about what a hard Brexit would look like 😉

dannyh - Member
Jamby, Ninfers and Chewie likewise, please.

Let it go, let it be and be happy. 😛

chewkw - Member
dannyh - Member
Jamby, Ninfers and Chewie likewise, please.
Let it go, let it be and be happy.

happy that me & my kids are about to be stripped of their EU citizenship?
based on a heap of lies

why should I be happy about that?

chewkw - Member
dannyh - Member
Jamby, Ninfers and Chewie likewise, please.
Let it go, let it be and be happy.

POSTED 4 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST

Errr, let me think, errrrr.......

No.

Stick around, yeah?

kimbers - Member
happy that me & my kids are about to be stripped of their EU citizenship?
based on a heap of lies

why should I be happy about that?

Can you speak other EU language fluently? If you can then you have no worry coz all my European friends can speak English fluently. If you cannot even speak any of the EU language then you have never been part of EU.

dannyh - Member
Stick around, yeah?

Yes, will be sticking around for a very long time coz it's our turn. 😛

Given chewkw's reaction when I suggested meeting for a beer, if he exists at all he's probably a bit of a keyboard warrior and the chances of him sticking around on this thread when Brexit fails / trashes the country are roughly zero.

igm - Member
Given chewkw's reaction when I suggested meeting for a beer, if he exists at all he's probably a bit of a keyboard warrior and the chances of him sticking around on this thread when Brexit fails / trashes the country are roughly zero.

The opportunities for UK will be unlimited if you open your mind up ... let it go by looking at the bright side of things. I will stick around coz the opportunities are here for me too. No longer control by EU bureaucrats ... we are free! Free! Freedommm! (not the Scottish Hero Mel Gibson btw) 😛

Can you speak other EU language fluently?

Think youll find I got a B in GCSE German
(My wife also lived in Spain for a while so is pretty handy at Spanish)

but yeah other than your pointless whataboutery Im still presently an EU citizen, about to have that removed against my will

all because the mindless zombies of the cult of brexit say so....

still...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-legislature-idUKKBN16Z20W

Yes, will be sticking around for a very long time coz it's our turn.

That's right. [u]Your[/u] victory, [u]your[/u] turn. [u]Your[/u] responsibility.

Seeing [u]you[/u] and [u]your[/u] kind graciously accept the blame will provide some small crumbs of comfort.

I hope you've enjoyed your metaphorical piss-up because the hangover starts soon.

So wait because Specialized, Canyon, Cannondale etc etc have all put up prices by several hundred pounds thanks to brexshit, does that mean chewk's willing to cover the difference if I want to buy one?

kimbers - Member

Can you speak other EU language fluently?

Think youll find I got a B in GCSE German
(My wife also lived in Spain for a while so is pretty handy at Spanish

but yeah other than your pointless whataboutery Im still presently an EU citizen, about to have that removed against my will

all because the mindless zombies of the cult of brexit say so....

The opportunities for UK will be unlimited if you open your mind up ...

This old chestnut.

The UK already trades around the world. Is your car, phone, cooker, clothing and so on British?

And Germany does it a lot more than us. So maybe we could work at doing it as well as they do instead of pretending it's the EU holding us back.

dannyh - Member

Yes, will be sticking around for a very long time coz it's our turn.

That's right. Your victory, your turn. Your responsibility.

My apology I overstated myself. Not my victory alone. 😆

The Victory should belong to all those that voted to leave the EU bureaucratic system.

Seeing you and your kind graciously accept the blame will provide some small crumbs of comfort.

I hope you've enjoyed your metaphorical piss-up because the hangover starts soon.

The opportunities for UK will be unlimited if you open your mind up ... let it go by looking at the bright side of things. I will stick around coz the opportunities are here for me too. No longer control by EU bureaucrats ... we are free! Free! Freedommm! (not the Scottish Hero Mel Gibson btw)

Not really unlimited if it goes tits up for those with no links outside the country, soon there will be 27 fewer countries you can easily work in. Freedom wou say?

mattjg - Member

The opportunities for UK will be unlimited if you open your mind up ...

This old chestnut.

The UK already trades around the world. Is your car, phone, cooker, clothing and so on British?

And Germany does it a lot more than us. So maybe we could work at doing it as well as they do instead of pretending it's the EU holding us back.

We are just moving on without the EU bureaucratic system that's all. Don't be so gloomy ...

MrSmith - Member
Not really unlimited if it goes tits up for those with no links outside the country, soon there will be 27 fewer countries you can easily work in. Freedom wou say

Chewk, i learnt many years ago i wasn't English, that i was scum, a paddy, a provo, I also knew i wasn't Irish a country i never lived in.

So know i am a citizen of nowhere and would rather carry the passport of a country i don't live in than the an English one.

My qualifications are meaningless, my ability is something else but the sellabilty of that depends a lot on people's spending, access to other markets where those skills are wanted (temporarily) and general economic health.

I'm not saying it is going to go tits up, I'm just saying having the ability to move where an economy suits you better will be more limited after Brexit.

A Polish partner and Irish mother mean I'll be immune to a lot of this but that doesn't mean it doesn't bother me or potentially affect people I know.

mrmo - Member
Chewk, i learnt many years ago i wasn't English, that i was scum, a paddy, a provo, I also knew i wasn't Irish a country i never lived in.

So know i am a citizen of nowhere and would rather carry the passport of a country i don't live in than the an English one.

MrSmith - Member
My qualifications are meaningless, my ability is something else but the sellabilty of that depends a lot on people's spending, access to other markets where those skills are wanted (temporarily) and general economic health.

I'm not saying it is going to go tits up, I'm just saying having the ability to move where an economy suits you better will be more limited after Brexit.

A Polish partner and Irish mother mean I'll be immune to a lot of this but that doesn't mean it doesn't bother me or potentially affect people I know.

The opportunities for UK will be unlimited if you open your mind up ... let it go by looking at the bright side of things. I will stick around coz the opportunities are here for me too. No longer control by EU bureaucrats ... we are free! Free! Freedommm! (not the Scottish Hero Mel Gibson btw)

Lovely to have you back by the way chewkw.

While you have been away I've been trying to dig the UK out of the hole you Brexies have left us in. I've mentioned on here a number of initiatives I've been involved in both in the UK and the US helping the government try to get something new going. I was speaking to DIT just last week and I'll be doing something more with a large manufacturer that has been mentioned on this thread later this week.

In all this I've yet to meet a Brexy doing anything.

I've asked Brexies on here to tell us what they've been doing. The answer has been silence. Nothing. The Brexies are sat on their fat lazy behinds I think.

Brexies - good at moaning, good at making noise, good at wrecking. Useless at creating a positive future.

Agreed?

PS - chewkw, I know I'll be fine. The vulnerable won't be. Our children won't be (though I'll be doing what I can to sort that for my own).

Still, at least your Dear Leader has promised to leave the country - now there's a leave campaign I can support.

There are much worst countries in this world then the way you feel about UK ...

There may be worse but i had hoped the UK had grown up. I was wrong and the racists have been given free reign again. I have no desire to live in a country where being called a paddy is acceptable, where being regarded as an idiot or a provo is normal.

Growing up and being insulted because of a name, you soon understand that you do not belong, the more you see and hear the more you learn about what it means to be "English", i have no interest.

I will do what is in my interests. I have no loyalty to the UK and unlike many i am not tied to a UK passport.

So the DUP (yes that's right the DUP not SF) were saying this morning that Irish reunification is back on the agenda partly due to Brexit, the government in Scotland is working towards independence spurred on by Brexit, and while the Welsh haven't said anything definite there are some grumbly noises.
The question for today then is, whether or not you think it will happen, is the break up of the UK a price worth paying for Brexit?
Or for any Scot Nats on, is leaving the EU a price worth paying for independence?

Nick Clegg piece on News night last night from Ebbw Vale was sad.

--angry comment redacted--.

Anyone see the bloke on the news this morning living in Spain and was pro-brexit because he was worried about immigration!!!!?

Today, I'm slightly sad. Today is the day we formally tell our neighbours to go away, while expecting them to go out of the way to help us. Politically I think the next two years will be beyond difficult as we try to negotiate our way out, socially ever more devicive, economically stagnant.
I know long term we as a nation will bounce back, but I think we will be a divided, poorer nation for a while.

TM should have waited till April 1st, would've been far more fitting

Have I read this correctly (yesterdays paper)?

Richard Dyson, one of the high profile Brexiteers (who has alot of his manufacturing made abroad and outside of the EU so a bit disingenuous really) is now appealing to Theresa May to not apply immigration limits to young European engineers so he can employ them in his business.

If that's true, how lovely he encourages people to vote Brexit but doesn't want it to to apply to his business.

Keep the faith European citizens, sit back and enjoy the show as the sheer lack of resource, understanding and arrogance by the government fails to address the needs of the rabid brexitears (not a typo) as poor people deal with inflation, rising interest rates, no change to immigration (perceived or otherwise) and the ultimate erosion of wages and benefits. Then the 48% tell them to go and * themselves when they need help. You reap what you sow ***s enjoy.

Dyson does not give a **** about anything except his empire.

Does anyone buy Dysons anymore anyway?

Part of the past not the future.

we are free!

Today, I'm slightly sad.

As per my regular challenge to the Brexies, they won't pull together to try and sort this, why should anyone else?

After seeing Dysons end of year results it would appear that people are buying their products by the truckload.

Well it's going to be interesting to see how the government actually goes about the Brexit "sale" and as anyone who sells for a living at the higher end of the market will know that controlling the agenda is key to closing a deal. Now I might be wrong but the client (EU) seems to own the agenda as we the sales person (brexiteers) owe the client money from the last project we failed to deliver, sooohh we may want to discuss trade but that's not going to happen until the previous project is sorted and then the client is going to want some tighter controls over the new deal. So in summary we don't control the agenda this normally = lost sale or bad sale. Going forward outside rhe EU every deal we try and do will end up the same way either no deal or a bad deal. No doubt this will not happen due to Brexit magic.

igm - my hope is that scotland will get its independence and remain in the UK

Scotland will hopefully be OK but I am full of sorrow at the damage this will do to england and I am sorry it another nail in the coffin of the UK

Then the 48% tell them to go and * themselves when they need help.

When they 52% have the guts to step and say "sorry we made a huge mistake, you were right, let's not do this, and I absolutely should not have voted to strip you of your rights without your consent", I'll be up for a bit of pulling together.

Until then, as you so eloquently put it, they can go * themselves.

(Not going to happen though).

My last post on here.
I always thought the thatcher death celebrations were a bit harsh.
My goal in life is to outlive may and have a little dance when that bitch dies.
**** you you evil ****ing bitch.

If you Brexshitting cockwombles were in any doubt about what you [i]actually[/i] voted for, let Mr Murdoch spell it out for you

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Petty, small-minded, xenophobic, foreigner-hating, backward looking, little-Englander nastiness

I have never felt so ashamed, embarrassed and saddened to be British. And angry. Really, really ****ing angry!!!