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The opposition parties have no chance if they try and fight it like a normal election though…
That is the whole idea. Why should they let the opposition parties dictate?
PM BoJo knows if he goes for a No Deal he will win a lot more seats in the North, and perhaps even the first Tory to conquer the North for a long time. 🤔
The Gordon Brown thing about the EU offering an extension without us asking is also interesting.
Difficulty there is how we say yes please. Our legislature has passed an act which says we're leaving on the 31st, without amending that we're stuck. Then we're back to how parliament can bring about legislation, because there isn't really a mechanism for it. Until now there's never needed to be one.
Arguably the queen could accept but she acts on the advice of the PM who is...
Although this final season of Brexit is very entertaining, I cant be bothered to keep up, so I'll just binge the box set.
PM BoJo knows if he goes for a No Deal he will win a lot more seats in the North
What, like Sunderland? Lol!
PM BoJo knows if he goes for a No Deal he will win a lot more seats in the North, and perhaps even the first Tory to conquer the North for a long time.
What like Scotland ? 😄😄😄
so I’ll just binge the box set.
You know it's only being released on laserdisc yeah?
What, like Sunderland? Lol!
That depends on whether they prefer Brexit party more than PM BoJo's Brexit ...
What like Scotland ? 😄😄😄
Not that far north coz that is wilderness ... 😅
Although this final season of Brexit is very entertaining, I cant be bothered to keep up, so I’ll just binge the box set.
Why even bother? Just wait for the next GE to vote. Keep it simple. The current hoo haa is just noises. Go the wrong way and the party gets it in the next GE to be consigned to history.
I like the way PM BoJo hammers the Tory remainders. He should hammer them hard! Harder! Make them bow to the Authorita! Respect the authorita! 💪 👹
What, like Sunderland? Lol!
That depends on whether they prefer Brexit party more than PM BoJo’s Brexit …
I take it you've not seen the swing to lib dem in the sunderald by election a few months ago?
just gives me more ammunition when I get round to doing something about it.
What are you planning? A major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign?
I take it you’ve not seen the swing to lib dem in the sunderald by election a few months ago?
Wait and see coz that is Not even a GE.
I will vote for Brexit party if they are around but if not the next best party that stands their ground with No Deal whoever they are.
If All the parties are sell out parties then I will vote for the party with the greatest chance to challenge the winning party.
Politicians are just looking after their own pockets that's all.
At the risk of feeding the troll,
Why? What do you see as the benefits of no deal? (Beyond bringing down the establishment, which TBH I could get behind.)
Why? What do you see as the benefits of no deal? (Beyond bringing down the establishment, which TBH I could get behind.)
The benefits depend on your interpretation coz both sides (politicians) are just looking after number one first.
The common views are that some say take back control while other say the world is a poorer place to live.
I say make all the establishments sweat! Don't care who they are or which party they belong to. Make them fear! Let them know they are there because they are put there by the people. I lend them the power so do as I say or I vote you out ... if there are enough of me around that is.
If those opposite to my view win then more power to them/you/whoever ...
Look at those fork tongues like Tarzan Heseltine or Kenny Clarke or John Minor can they be trusted? You can have them if you wish.
At the risk of feeding the troll
He's like a dumped partner binging on chocolate and lambrini
Yeah that didn't answer the question, unsurprisingly.
The benefits depend on your interpretation
Well, no, I'm asking for your interpretation, that doesn't require any interpretation on my part.
I say make all the establishments sweat!
As I said, "beyond bringing down the establishment." If that's all you've got then fair enough, though there must surely be less self-damaging ways of achieving that.
Credit where it's due though, that's the same thing dazh wants, at least you're being honest about it.
Wait,
I will vote for Brexit party
Don’t care who they are or which party they belong to.
Which is it?
He’s like a dumped partner binging on chocolate and lambrini
Grapes from Italy and coca from Brazil where they are burning down the amazon.
Sounds like a well thought out strategy.
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1168638957711745025?s=21
You have to wonder how this shakes down for the “natural party of government”, after a major part of it reforms themselves as the Conservative Brexit Party and tries to purge all others.
Well, no, I’m asking for your interpretation, that doesn’t require any interpretation on my part.
I have explained myself many moons ago about bureaucratic organisation so go visit that explanation again as I stand by that.
As I said, “beyond bringing down the establishment.” If that’s all you’ve got then fair enough, though there must surely be less self-damaging ways of achieving that.
Sometimes you just have to dismantle and start again but I seriously doubt the establishment can be brought down, and I have no wish to let any establishment or bureaucracy ride the people like a donkey.
The only way for me to "dismantle" the establishment is through ballot paper. i.e. vote as you wish regardless.
Can you make an omelet without breaking few eggs?
Which is it?
That depends on the candidate or party that I can vote.
If Brexit party fills candidate here I will vote for them if not then I shall vote for a party with strong Brexit credential (if the candidate is a secret reminder than no vote from me regardless) ... think I am pinning too much hope on that.
Dare I remind anyone that I’ve had every insult from nazi/alt-right appeaser to closet brexiteer thrown at me in past few months for daring to suggest the same.
I'm guessing binners means least worst option from McLusky's point of view.
You have to wonder how this shakes down for the “natural party of government”, after a major part of it reforms themselves as the Conservative Brexit Party and tries to purge all others.
I think we might see even more moderate tory MPs defecting if they are forced to choose between sovereign parliamentary democracy and dictatorship.
Maybe it's just wishful thinking as they know what side thier bread is buttered on.
Where their massive pensions are Comming from.
No point engaging with Chew… you’ll just go around in the “EU is bad because it is the EU” circles… not because he can’t make a more cogent case, but because he choses not to for reasons you both fully understand @Cougar & @Drac.
I think we might see even more moderate tory MPs defecting…
I think we will just see more Tory MPs quietly disappear, back into their other lives and work… defections will remain rare. They may play a vital role before they go though.
I think we might see even more moderate tory MPs defecting if they are forced to choose between sovereign parliamentary democracy and dictatorship.
Power come from the people.
They got the power because people lent them.
They are Nothing without the people ... this includes the dictator.
True. I shouldn't have fed him.
Tomorrow should be an interesting day in UK politics. Nice to see them squirming and actually having to think for a change. Sigh. :/
Where their massive pensions are Comming from.
Well it's not the party so I don't suppose desellection worries them on that front.
That said the Conservative party doesn't ask their MPs to "tithe" like Labour(2% of salary) and a few others (greens took 10% in 2011) so they might prefer to stay there.
I guess what I was trying to say is that they're already filthy rich anyway, so it might be a get out of moral jail free card for some, so all bets are off..
I think we could well see some tories that are tired of the bullshit defecting. Might even raise thier profile.
Electoral number crunchers have government losing no deal vote by 10-30 votes tomorrow
If so, will Corbyn go for a GE?
Johnson will only get it if Labour agrees
It's 50/50 whether Johnson would win/lose his majority
And
It would push brexit over the line, so apparently Labour won't vote for it
so what comes next?
Nice to see them squirming and actually having to think for a change.
And I think (now) the thinking needs to be to force an A50 extension AND then get a General Election. I completely disagree with Blair about this being the route to No Deal… I think it is the route to Johnson losing seats, and SNP and LibDems gaining seats, and Labour repeating its 2017 performance (losing some seats, but gaining just as many). That leads to either a Withdrawal Agreement with a political declaration promising a genuine close relationship with all of the EEA, or keeping EU membership, decided in a referendum. Extension + election is the best chance to further erode Johnson’s number of MPs… election in October without an extension means the Conservatives pull the Brexit Party supporters back on side and Johnson gets his majority. Putting a different PM in place to hold a referendum without first having an election will never wash… Blair needs to do more thinking.
Yup looks like Labour may well not grant Johnson his election. That will leave him as a lame duck PM - a minority govt as he will have sacked 20 of his own MPs and Parly legislating against him.
That would be some humiliation!
I have explained myself many moons ago about bureaucratic organisation so go visit that explanation again as I stand by that.
Not that it matters overly, but it'd be quicker and easier for you to just repeat yourself than it would be for me to sift back through some 70-odd thousand posts.
Can you make an omelet without breaking few eggs?
Brexit is more like, "can you make an omelette using the eggs in a cake?"
In any case, you've still not answered my question. Why do you want brexit beyond bringing down the establishment? Or is that the only reason?
Although this final season of Brexit is very entertaining
Dude.. What you meant to say was the final episode of season one.
It's not even started yet.
Have I missed something here?
Hasn't Corbyn said he is up for the ge? I thought he said that today at some event or other?
So, election on October 14th and very likely a Johnson win based on peoples apathy towards Brexit and thinking just leaving means it's all finished.... Totally forgetting that leaving is just the start of the real Brexit process of course....
Genuine question, did Corbyn rule out a ge today?? To be honest,I hope he has as I honestly think Johnson will probably win it!!😟
The general election is happening. Corbyn is right to push for it, and show himself as keen for it to happen. Making sure it is not entirely on Johnson’s terms is the task ahead.
A reminder that Johnson is going full out for No Deal, and new deal talk is just about blaming it on others…
https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1168543706472943616?s=21
Genuine question, did Corbyn rule out a ge today?? T
Was ruled out by Labour front benches on Newsnight IF it would allow No Deal to happen, that was the trap Blair was warning of
I also think it likely Johnson would win, but if just sacked 20 odd mps (against wishes of their constituency parties) and lost 10+ Tory mps with Ruth in Scotland and DUP lose seat(s) to Alliance in NI...
It's a huge gamble for him, hed have to go full no deal to flush out Farage and that is not universally popular.
It’s not even started yet.
Longest pilot episode… ever!
If they commission the first series proper, I can’t see it getting good numbers.
No serious attempts to get a new deal, because they have no workable plan for Brexit, and need to win over Brexit Party voters who have bought into No Deal nonsense. The trick for them is get a majority for five years before the No Deal chaos kicks in, and before the chase for quick deals (very much on EU & USA terms), after the Brexit date, begins in earnest.
Problem is that they have to drop pretence at chasing negotiations to fully win back bxp voters
That then alienates moderate tories... ( Those that are left)
Support for no deal is about 35%
Is that enough ?
The gamble is that, in most seats, the “moderate Tories” have no where to go… in contrast to all the seats where the Brexit Party has lots of support that could swap to Conservative candidates. The gamble depends on timing… which is why so much effort is going into stopping parliament from moving the date we are due to leave the EU. It also depends heavily on what Farage wants…
No serious attempts to get a new deal, because they have no workable plan for Brexit, and need to win over Brexit Party voters who have bought into No Deal nonsense. The trick for them is get a majority for five years before the No Deal chaos kicks in, and before the chase for quick deals (very much on EU & USA terms), after the Brexit date, begins in earnest.
Yep he never had any intention for a deal unless it dropped into his lap.
He has no real options, changing the pm didn’t really change anything it’s pretty much the same position as TM was in and the clocks still ticking down, all he can do is attempt to out-brexit the Brexit party and hope he can scrape by. Which is why he’s been electioneering from day one, he just wants to keep the job and brexits just a MacGuffin to him.
Just had a journalist on Europe 1 commenting (laughing at) Corbyn's policies going into a possible general election. When a journalist in socialist land* finds Corbyn's policies unrealistically left wing you know Labour is going to struggle in a GE.
* how France is refered to on CNBC
. When a journalist in socialist land* finds Corbyn’s policies unrealistically left wing you know Labour is going to struggle in a GE
Let's pack up and go home then because a broadcaster in another country (that has its own huge social problems) - laughs at Corbyn.
Unrealistically left-wing... How about the devastating right-wing policies we have endured?
If there is an election it will be tight. It will weaken Johnson if Labour win today and don't take his first for an election.
In theory the rebel allianve could still force through a Brecit extension then call a VONC to force an election. Taking control from a PM like that would be a big humiliation for Johnson
But on the flip side - Labour got bounce in 2017 for too reasons (1) A simple choice between Tory austerity or Labour spend - but Boris has been announcing spending on Police, education, NHS already, nothing like Labours plans but enough to blur the lines. (2) May was an utter pile of toss as a campaigning leader - I'm not convinced Boris is brilliant bit he's not as bad. On the flip.side the potential Boris humiliation if Labour play it right and the sacking off 20 popular Tory MPs plus Scotland (as mentioned above) will play against the Tories
Ultimately it will be tight - prob with SNP support needed for a Labour Govt
I've started reading Chewkw's posts on a comedy, over-excited Claudio caluori voice.
Makes them far more entertaining!.