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Plus not sure he could actually choose not to pay it. Bit like ending your mobile phone contact early by just not paying it anymore and keeping the phone. People will be coming round to get the phone...
Do you think anyone will do any deals with us especially the EU if we renege on legally binding obligations?
I still maintain that Labour are only still fielding Corbyn because they do not want to win an election at this point. The ones that are running Labour obviously want the tories to completely own the mess from start to finish.
I think the conservatives are going full no deal in the hope that someone steps in to stop them and give them an excuse. It's a ridiculous situation to find ourselves in.
Now Bj saying US will have to compromise to get trade deal with UK ..... Yeah right 😂😂
And Corbyn still wants to head the caretaker government and call a GE with a referendum to follow. Why not just go for the referendum first? I don't trust him as far as I could throw the chip on Binners shoulder.
going for the referendum first means a long caretaker government. going for a ge first means a short one
He can't be interim PM though.
Unless it's written in stone that I will get a chance to vote in a Referendum for revoking A50 I'm not voting for him in a GE.
Its been labour party policy for ages and made 100% clear a couple of weeks ago. Referendum with remain as an option.
You problem now is the lib dems who refuse to play with labour
Unless it’s written in stone that I will get a chance to vote in a Referendum for revoking A50 I’m not voting for him in a GE.
That's been Labour Party policy for the past couple of weeks. That doesn't mean that they will campaign for Remain, just that they would offer it as an option in a referendum.
We’re crashing out*. End of.
*Source: Slowest car-crash in history.
I guess you missed the bit where I said I don't trust him?
Have we discussed the power interconnectors - UK/Europe and UK/Ireland - which provide both import and export.
Back in 2015 the imports accounted for c7% of UK's power requirements with an objective of getting to c22%.
Tariffs anyone?
A 'Remain Option' or an 'Option for Remainers'?
Genuine question. The last quote I read said 'Options for remainers'. If there has been new wording since then I haven't read it.
And if someone does show me a quote where he says 'remain option' which one should I believe?
I think the conservatives are going full no deal in the hope that someone steps in to stop them and give them an excuse. It’s a ridiculous situation to find ourselves in.
Tbh it’s the only option they have left. Which is why they are playing it so hard.
After the Brexit date they are able to commence talks with the eu without any time restraint/parliamentary oversight and they’ve done Brexit so all boxes ticked an none of those annoying tax avoidance directives to enforce.
With Remain on the ballot paper
. simple, direct and no quibbling. Its a slight shift in position. Its been that way for weeks.
dude of doom - the problem with that is before we leave any deal is subject to qualified majority voting, after would need to be unanimous and of course after brexit and we go to the EU for a deal which we will need they will ask " where is our 39 billion, what about the NI border adn what about the rights of EU citizens in the UK" - or in other words the same issues will exist and our bargaining position will be worse
Its been that way for weeks.
11 days.
And very few people know… because it has in no way been communicated to the public by a leader who struggles to even spit the words out.
after would need to be unanimous
A key point. Trade deals are far harder to arrive at than the temporary retention of EU benefits in the withdrawal agreement. And the details of a trade deal as far reaching as we need with the EU will take years… yet we are throwing away the safety net they are offering to us to bridge that time. What on earth will happen in the meantime? I keep hearing intelligent people I trust now use the word “certainty” about a No Deal Brexit… utterly depressingly gaslighted group of nations that we are.
or in other words the same issues will exist and our bargaining position will be worse
Exactly!!
Ah but the thing that Boris needs most is achieved Brexit has been done people’s will respected.
Brexit party goes way of UKIP Tory party safe and Boris keeps his job
Hmm did we have a bargaining position to start with 🙂
Ah but the thing that Boris needs most is achieved Brexit has been done people’s will respected.
Until many of the people whose will has been respected are worse off and then it may be a case of Boris not doing it right.
Trade deals are far harder to arrive at than the temporary retention of EU benefits in the withdrawal agreement. And the details of a trade deal as far reaching as we need with the EU will take years… yet we are throwing away the safety net they are offering to us to bridge that time.
Yep... great isn’t it 🙁
Until many of the people whose will has been respected are worse off and then it may be a case of
Boristhe EU not doing it right.
Sadly. Or at least that’s the message being pushed hard right now… ready for that post Brexit election.
A ‘Remain Option’ or an ‘Option for Remainers’?
@Brucewee that's been my concern, i dislike/distrust the vagueness.
Remain on the ballot paper - thats the position and has been for weeks.!
Remain on the ballot paper – thats the position and has been for weeks.!
Aye, about 2 weeks
Sadly. Or at least that’s the message being pushed hard right now… ready for that post Brexit election.
Yes that is what they will try but No Deal exit will be 100% down to Boris. Parliament are against it and it won't be anyone's fault but his.
But it's still the default position unless something happens, something miraculous...
All boris needs to do is sit on his fat ass spouting platitudes and wait...
It's perfect for him and his elite cronies as the new EU tax evasion laws won't apply, and that, if you ask me is what all this has been about since the beginning.
Today is the all-party meeting to try and come up with a plausible plan to stop Boris driving through a no-deal Brexit.
Does anyone expect anything other than petty bickering, party self-interest ad subsequent blame-storming and grandstanding?
Dominic Cummings must be laughing his tits off as he prepares for the inevitable upcoming general election that Johnson is about to call, and Corbyn has this morning said he'll back
Dominic Cummings must be laughing his tits off as he prepares for the inevitable upcoming general election that Johnson is about to call, and Corbyn has this morning said he’ll back
You don't want a general election before we leave? Even if it's the only way to stop no deal? There is a plausible plan on the table. The only thing MPs have to do is support it and it will be successful. It depends what's most important to them, stopping no deal, or party/self-interest?
Remain on the ballot paper – thats the position and has been for weeks.!
Aye, about 2 weeks
Thanks both 🙂
UK Parliament is back from recess next week. Up until then this is all grandstanding and supposition. Things are about the get even more interesting. Lets find out who holds their nose and puts the good of the country ahead of party politics and personal gain.
The only thing MPs have to do is support it and it will be successful.
in the real world corbyn doesnt have the numbers, that fact has not changed
You don’t want a general election before we leave?
Yeah, Binners’ complaint makes little sense to me. An election before we leave, or an election once an extension is granted… both work. Of course, if it’s the former, you had better have already been hammering home a clear message as regards Brexit while out on the campaign trail…
There is a plausible plan on the table. The only thing MPs have to do is support it and it will be successful. It depends what’s most important to them, stopping no deal, or party/self-interest?
Is this the making Corbyn PM without an election plan? Tories will not back it. And anything they do now to stop No Deal Brexit will damage their party and destroy their one political careers, so it’s not really that which is the issue. Their objection to making Corbyn PM is more fundamental than that. They do not trust him or his Straight Left team to lead the country, even for a short time. They honestly believe that making him PM will be bad for the country. Their minds won’t be changed on that, so this plan was still born. I’m increasingly of the opinion that it was just a move to kill talk of a cross party temporary government, and little else.
If a snap election is called tomorrow, with Corbyn still in place as Labour leader, the Tories will walk it, as Boris's no deal, hardline rhetoric has shot the Brexit Party's fox. All those senile old racists voters will return to the fold.
That's the sad reality
Dominic Cummings is well aware of this
That's why they'll definitely call one. It also dissolves parliament and brings that cliff edge even closer, while what passes for the opposition continues to flail around hopelessly.
The Lib Dems, with their attitude over the last couple of weeks, now look about as much a cause for optimism as the leadership of the labour party
It’s too late to move North and vote SNP, isn’t it, sadly. So… vote for one of the shit UK options, just not Tory or Brexit Party… sadly it comes down to that choice, again. You can’t come to power based on that negativity alone… you need to be the positive option… I can’t see this going well, at all.
I still entertain a fantasy that the Sinn Fein will turn up and take their seats. And somebody will get a picture of the expression on BoJo's fatuous face.
Does anybody read the NewsThump ? I love the allusion to a classical epithet they use for BJ. In much the same way it was always "the wily Odysseus", "the brave Hector" etc etc it is always "massive b****nd Boris Johnson". How fitting.
NewsThump is always on the money. From today:
Horrible posh middle-aged white men announce plans to keep everything ****ed up
I've been on holiday for a week so I've just skipped the last 20 pages. Did I miss anything interesting?
What a surprise. For months remainers have been demanding that labour commit to a 2nd ref and remain option, now they have the goalposts are moving to revoking A50. Labour will never support this, because it gives the tories all the ammunition they need to paint Corbyn/labour as enemies of democracy/the people etc. The tabloids would plaster 'Corbyn the Dictator' all over the front pages and everyone will lap it up, including the people who demanded he take a revoke A50 position.
Isn’t the solution to stopping no deal obvious, just support Maybot’s deal?
Isn’t this a sensible compromise that respects the result of the referendum while avoiding no deal?
If Corbyn wants what’s best for the country why doesn’t he just support it?
goalposts are moving
Some “remainers” have always been pushing for us to withdraw our A50 notification. 6 million people signed a petition asking for it. LibDem conference voted for it. The Cherry amendment tried to make it the failsafe. I still personally think that the way forward is another referendum (reluctantly) but many people have been consistent in saying that A50 should be revoked ASAP. There is nothing to stop a majority government in future proposing an alternative to EU membership, and get us out of the EU, even if we do go down the revoke route. Democracy doesn’t stop.
What a surprise. For months remainers have been demanding that labour commit to a 2nd ref and remain option, now they have the goalposts are moving to revoking A50.
I know, it's crazy to think that once you get part of what you want you should keep asking for the rest.
[ only hearing sensible noises coming from that meeting today - a glimmer of sense and hope? ]