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Logic would suggest that it's going to have an impact on olives and brie supplies, but that this will be compensated for with an influx of curry and kebabs
Actually... that should have been on the side of a bus. I'd definitely have voted for that
Will no-one think of the steak bakes, eh...?!
Has anyone seen Cummings and duke from the doonesbury cartoons in the same place?
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YOu do know who Duke is in real life? Hunter S Thompson.
Satire is dead!
I'd love it if Cummins went full on Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas at the tory conference, with Gideon in tow as his Attorney/Editor...
HST is probably doing about 189 rpm at that comparison. He would have made very short shrift of the bulk of our current political class.
I guess on the plus side I don’t eat much fresh fruit or veg
Are you Scottish?
Managed to knacker a knee in Leogang last week. Took the usual trip to Zell Am See hospital where we’ve been many times before. They did an X-ray but basically said they wouldn’t do an MRI and I should get one done when I get home.
It felt like they were getting me out of there ASAP. I wonder how long it takes them to claim back through the EHIC system and if they are under instruction not to spend much time/cash in case they don’t get it back before Brexit?
We’ve always been really well looked after before but it definitely seemed different this time.
Still, “sovrinty”, blue passports, Brexit means Brexit.
Without London, the rest of England would be pretty poor.
Utter horseshit. Without London then we'd have had centuries of investment in other parts of the country and they'd be better off.
Still, “sovrinty”, blue passports, Brexit means Brexit.
In other, less broken bone type health news anecdotes, my mfjnr cannot get his eczema treatment. It's manufactured abroad, and guess what? Not importing it, because Brexit. So that's nice.
I look forward* to a smorgasboard of shortages in the near future.
* I don't.
Without London, the rest of England would be pretty poor.
Without London then we’d have had centuries of investment in other parts of the country and they’d be better off.
I can’t change “centuries of history”, sorry… others were talking about making Wangerland/England minus London a new country outside the UK & EU (jokingly I assume)… I simply pointed out that wouldn’t be that rich a country without London (jokingly you could assume).
Without London then we’d have had centuries of investment in other parts of the country and they’d be better off.
Hahaha. As if there's a finite amount of money in the country and people choose to spend it in London rather than other places!
Without London somewhere else in the South East would have become London. Just look at a map and have a think. Or rather - why do you think we have London now?
other countries are not so centralised with one city sucking all the money out of the economy.
Yes, yes, the country is too focussed on one city… but that wasn’t the point I was making… it was that if you had a “New England” that broke away now, without NI, Scotland & London (something that isn’t going to happen), the result would not be a rich country… because when people say England is a rich country, that is very much an England that still has London in it. If you, entirely hypothetically (jokingly?), removed London from England it would not be anywhere near as rich.
and Scotland who support the UK economy - take london and scotland out of the picture then england is barely viable
other countries are not so centralised with one city sucking all the money out of the economy.
Ludicrous to think that London sucks money out of the economy - it creates it. Get a grip.
Also, lots of other countries are the same. Paris, Stockholm, Oslo, Helsinki, Edinburgh, Cardiff. Countries that don't have one pre-eminent city are either amalgamations of historical regions each with their own pre-eminent city or have been planned in modern times.
Molgrips you're talking such a load of garbage. London doesn't magically create money, oh it doesnt matter
Enjoy your Brexit. At least understand why it's happening ...
No moilgrips - it sucks money out of the rest of the country and concentrates it in London. all the government depts, all thosestaff paying high housing costs thus needing london weighting on slareies, high housing costs all over = money from the public purse into private hands in housing benefit.
Paris does not dominate the french economy in the same way = other cities get a slice and france has been a unitary country longer than most.
Like it or loathe it, but London attracts lots of foreign investment / business start-ups in things like Fin-Tech - the come because it's London, not Birmingham or Manchester. Take London out the equation and they'd simply invest in another country - not the UK. Two key factors are money and talent - we continue with our "hostile environment" then we'll hit the economy hard - they'll simply take their money and jobs elsewhere.
Molgrips you’re talking such a load of garbage. London doesn’t magically create money, oh it doesnt matter
You're going to have to explain that. I can explain my argument:
It's easier for businesses to work with each other when they are closer together. So they are more productive, in economic terms, and they grow. When there are a lot of businesses in one place, they make money and the people who work there spend it, often locally. That is why nearly all cities are richer than the countryside. (Also why house prices are higher - because more people need to work there). Businesses can have more local customers and thence make more money. This has been how it is as long as there have been cities. So really big cities have a stronger effect, as long as they aren't too big to affect communication. Economies create money - the bigger an economy, the more it creates. So for the reasons above, London creates more money than Cardiff which creates more money than Caerphilly and so on.
Enjoy your Brexit.
You've got to be ****ing kidding if you think arguing that big cities make more money makes me a ****ing Brexiteer. That has SERIOUSLY pissed me off. What kind of half wit links those two things?
Or is anyone you disagree with on any topic a scumbag and automatically a Brexiteer, a racist, fat, and anything else you don't like?
No moilgrips – it sucks money out of the rest of the country and concentrates it in London. all the government depts, all thosestaff paying high housing costs thus needing london weighting on slareies, high housing costs all over = money from the public purse into private hands in housing benefit.
The amount of inward investment that happens BECAUSE it's London absolutely dwarfs the extra cost of labour. If it didn't, they wouldn't bloody well go there would they? These companies are perfectly able to invest anywhere they like. So why do they choose London? Is someone forcing them against their will?
other countries are not so centralised with one city sucking all the money out of the economy
Because they have land borders. Where as the UK has a big **** off sea who’s narrowest point is guess what? Pretty ****ing near London.
Just thinking a bit more about ways out of No Deal. Isn't the most straightforward simply for Parly to pass legislation torevoke A50?
Isn't that what the full remain parties - Lib-Dems, SNP - be pushing for rather than a GE.
Or do they really prefer a GE because Labour are looking weak and, especially Lib-Dems, have a lot to gain in a Westminster election?
Maybe a test of their integrity?
Cherry amendment was designed to make that a possibility, ie. Parliament being able to revoke A5O at the final hour, as a backstop if you like, if we were heading for an imminent No Deal exit. Guess who worked against that? Other than the Conservatives that is. Go on, guess who…
While the media keep focused on the fuss over the backstop (so that blame can be targeted at Ireland, even though it’s Brexit campaigners who claimed NI wouldn’t be a problem), it seems much bigger aspects of the WA are dead in the water thanks to the new government’s fresh aims…
https://twitter.com/tconnellyrte/status/1159569598267744256?s=21
Cherry amendment was designed to make that a possibility, ie. Parliament being able to revoke A5O at the final hour, as a backstop if you like, if we were heading for an imminent No Deal exit. Guess who worked against that? Other than the Conservatives that is. Go on, guess who…
... but Lib-Dems should be pushing the revoke A50 option, reminding us the public, that there is and alternative to a GE and real prospect of Boris calling a GE that falls across 31 Oct and caused a no deal crash out.
Or is the prospect of winning a few seats and having sway in a hung Parly more important to the Lads - as I said a test of integrity
other countries are not so centralised with one city sucking all the money out of the economy
Paris, Dublin, Brussels are great examples of this.
Just look at any population density map of Europe to see how many countries only have 1 large centre of population, thus commerce.
Germany is slightly different but Munich, Frankfurt, Cologne and Berlin dominate commercial activity.
tjagain
and Scotland who support the UK economy – take london and scotland out of the picture then england is barely viable
Stop dripping economic pish about Scotland in peoples ears and hoping it will become a fact.
From a report on deficits and surpluses throughout the UK.
Net fiscal balance per head, 2016-17 (in £s)
NE England 3,718
NW England 2,684
Yorkshire and the Humber 2,199
East Midlands 1,650
West Midlands 2,296
East of England -895
London -3,697
SE England -2,150
SW England 975
England 158
Wales 4,251
Scotland 2,651
N Ireland 5,014
UK 695
(A negative number means a surplus)
And before you bring it up. The oil revenue from the north sea is approximately equal to the support Scotland has received from UK wide pooling and sharing.
Heres a graph (black is "scottish oil money" that went south, red is "uk tax money" coming north). Areas not so different?
from here
but Lib-Dems should be pushing the revoke A50 option
It’s dead. Sorry. SNP weren’t alone in pushing that Cherry amendment… but a huge section of MPs were against it, led by, well you know who.
The only way to dress this option up as a way out that could bring along the “what about 2016 democracy” nervous MPs shying away from it (ignoring those that would never vote to stop Brexit in any circumstances) is to change the language to “Revoke A50, and then have a public vote”… paint it as pressing “hold” rather than “stop”.
So for the reasons above, London creates more money than Cardiff which creates more money than Caerphilly and so on.
And Caerphilly makes cheese, therefore Brexit.
Morning all.
Can anyone tell me when the riots start, please?
Kelvin - we may be ****ed then. I'm convinced Johnson will time an election to force no deal election - we are then into uncharted constitutional waters
Can anyone tell me when the riots start, please?
Around when 999 becomes overwhelmed by two disasters overlapping. Say, KFC running out of chicken and people fighting over the last crumpets in Tescos.
eat the pudding - there are a whole bunch of reasons why the GERS figures do not represent the true figure - Even Hammond the UK chancellor said if scotland went independent England will take a huge financial hit and the pound would be weaker - because without scotlands money then rUK would be poorer
Anyway - that one has been danced around enough but its certainly true that since the 70s scotland has supported the UK economy
tj, The figures (as shown) show Scotland has had as much out of the UK as it has put in since the start of the oil.
Before the oil, and on into the future, it will continue to benefit by more than it puts in, because thats how countries work (the rich bits support the poorer bits).
These are the facts. No part of the UK outside southern england currently has a surplus so stop the special pleading for scotland as an economic powerhouse. Its misleading nationalist propaganda (though still apparently widely believed) and irrelevant to this discussion.
You always complain that GERS is wrong but have failed to explain why you disagree with the figures used by:
a) nichola's own statisticians (i.e. GERS producers who develop and improve their own figures, use internationally agreed methods, and have stated via FOI that they have never had a request for information refused by "Westmonster"),
b) the book of dreams (based on temporarily favourable GERS figures) and
c) the SNP produced report "Scotlands Future" which accepts them (but then tries to explain away the massive austerity required in a newly independent scotland with magical thinking).
Just drop it, and concentrate on stopping boris and the tories from dividing and bumming us all.
PS I'm not "talking scotland down" any more than I'm talking down NI, wales and the north of england, all of which have deficits.
Around when 999 becomes overwhelmed by two disasters overlapping.
Like when a bunch of kids somewhere decided they didn't have enough trainers and iphones?
Or when Witrose runs out of avocados, manchego and decent quality burgundy... The middle class horror will rock society to its core.
I don't think that there will be much rioting. There will be no point taking out the lack of food or fuel on the people that sell it, it's not their fault.
If protests do happen, like if/when unemployment spikes up, or when fuel runs out, it will be too late. I don't think that the Police will be up for the task of taking on that level of protest and they are cut too thin to control really big protests all over the country. You could use the Army as a back-up, but even the hardest ERG nutter muct realise at that point that they are nothing more than a police state.
eat the pudding - there is a lot of dispute of GERS figures and its certain that they do not show the whole picture
Its a subject I have read a lot around and there are flaws. It was adopted by the SNP as previously it was used as a stick to beat them with. GERs includes a lot of costs that an independent scotland would not have and why if the union is so important for scotlands prosperity is it such a basket case? Take Denmark. In the 70s Denmark had a GDP per capita less than Scotlands, now its double - and all they have is a swamp full of pigs and a surplus of pig shit 🙂 Scotland has oil and whiskey!
some discussion here if interested and there is lots more. Scotsman is very unionist so no bias towards the SNP
https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/what-are-the-scottish-gers-figures-and-why-are-they-important-1-4788244
http://www.businessforscotland.com/question-ask-every-unionist-gers/ ( pro independence group)
Loads more but this is not a debate that wil convince anyone. Remember Hammond stated that losing scotland wouold cost england dear
Just as it would cost Scotland. Imagine turning your back on your largest trading partner, right on your doorstep...
Anyhow, in other news, Kenya has given Boris another strategy to stop debate in parliament
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-49290641
He's already stockpiling beans, veggie curry and corks.
I see from Sky and the BBC this morning that we had a small GDP reduction last quarter, and with this not looking to be great, we're likely in a recession at the moment.
Most of the tabloids are blaming Corbyn and other 'Traitors' for causing uncertainty and reminding their readers our economy is going to fly once we leave. It beggars belief.
Scotland probably is an asset to the UK union. You can tell cos the Tories campaigned against independence and they'd love to be shot of us!
I was in the post office this morning and the guy in front of me was hastily cashing Euros into Sterling because he'd read in the papers that the "Euro was going to crash" - I nearly LOL'd
Its almost a shame THM is no longer here. I'd love to see his spin on this 🙂
Scotland probably is an asset to the UK union
I would agree with that.
Its almost a shame THM is no longer here. I’d love to see his spin on this 🙂
There are some sacrifices worth making TJ 🙂