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^^ No,I don't think anyone can be certain of the year or century yet.😁
Typical... what a great way to spoil my birthday... ba*****s
My money is on Groundhog Day, and the Maybot repeating today’s activities at the eleventh hour again in October as we’re basically exactly where we are now
It’s like purgatory
One Tory just said: "Remain has won"
If that happened, I think I'd run out of words. Stunned simply would not cover it.
If I genuinely had to put my own money on it... and I might (anyone know the odds, I'm not a gambling man?) I'd say we are looking at a second referendum now. Every day that goes by makes it look more inevitable.
Edukator - this one fits
We've already said goodnight, If you wanna go then you had better go now!
Tellingly she also said Corbyn would never support staying in the customs union or the single market.
Apart from the facts of course - Corbyn has been pushing hard for that since ages ago
Still - HOey is somewhat deluded. another in the wrong party
I don't think that's fair tbh. She could be seen as a kind of alternative Corbyn, ploughing her own furrow but still mostly along with the spirit of the party. I think delusional is a good way to describe her attitude to brexit, and her hypocrisy is hard to take ("you should represent your constituency if they're brexiteers but not if they're remainers" and "it's terrible that cyclists run red lights, PS please ignore that time I got arrested for running a red light") but that doesn't mean she's in the wrong party- I think she's just in the fine tradition of Labour randos.
The new date makes a "people's vote" very difficult...to persaude enough MPs to support it and then pass the necessary legislation.
Any gammon explosions yet?
Educator, got to be a Clash vs e17 mashup on the stay/go theme.
The new date makes a “people’s vote” very difficult…to persaude enough MPs to support it and then pass the necessary legislation.
Why is that then? Makes it as easy as before just that it becomes a condition of any version of leave we accept to run it past the people. The only thing that will change the balance significantly at this point is a GE
HOey shuld be in UKIP - and should have been thrown out of the labour party. Moving steadily to the right over her time in parliament. Hers is not a left wing objection to the EU - its a xenophobic one.
Agree about Hoey on newsnight openly praising the ERG like that was telling.
She should just join ukip & be done.
Corbyn should have been booted years back too for disloyalty, good to see you are still keeper of the true party lists tj.
Parties just need bums on seats most of the time so long as they fall in line when required.
This is a point where you could look to the US primary idea and a much bigger engagement with the local area if they had a wider preselection stage there is a chance the mps who don't fit would be gone. But that requires a lot more engagement from people at a local level.
Anyway at this stage local and eu elections are the next battlefield to influence Westminster
May talked to Labour so she could get the extension and put the wind up the opponents to her deal in her own party.
She's now going through the Commons leave diary to look for the date when most of the opponents of her deal are due to be abroad so she can reschedule MV 4....and MV 5....6
Local and EU elections are going to be a problem, there is still no unified remain option to vote for. "Change" have chosen the wrong leader in Chucka, he is all smarmy presentation, nice suits and no substance, and I think most people know that.
Remain really needs an honest and skilled speaker to lead the charge, someone like David Lammy, but I don't see him leaving labour and I don't see labour putting him front and centre.
Having multiple "Remain options" is less of a problem in MEP elections, due to the voting method used (that the UK chose), and the Change UK lot haven't picked the leader you think they have. The next few weeks might result in Labour committing to a referendum and sweeping up most of those votes anyway… pressure will be ramping up inside the party now… and not just from those that have already been (very ably) vocal about it like Lammy.
When did Chukka become leader then? I must have missed that
I agree that remain needs a figurehead. One of the reasons we're in this mess is that Dave and Gideon arrogantly took control of the Remain campaign. I mean... could you possibly be more 'establishment'? Or (at the time) more justifiably disliked?
They shouldn't have been allowed anywhere near it. It enabled charlatans like Boris and Farage, who are both about as 'establishment' as its possible to get, to get away with the preposterous position of portraying themselves as men of the people against the 'liberal elite'
Is Gina Millar busy? I'd love to see her do it, as she's a shrewd, intelligent operator, but also because she's a woman and not quite the right colour, the gammons would go absolutely mental!!
Knives are out for May. She should leave the ERG a parting gift - like revoking A50.
Is Gina Millar busy? I’d love to see her do it, as she’s a shrewd, intelligent operator, but also because she’s a woman and not quite the right colour, the gammons would go absolutely mental!!
good call but is she not a "respect the referendum" person - ie her objections were all about process not outcome?
Knives are out for May. She should leave the ERG a parting gift – like revoking A50.
The impotent rage of the ERG, since their failure to oust her last December, is a constant source of amusement. Mark 'I was in the TA' Francois can go as puce as he likes, and rant and read out poetry all he likes, the fact is that until next December theres pretty much **** all him and his mental mates can do about it.
This makes me very happy 😀
Has he reached "Alex Ferguson" on the colour chart yet?
Davis at it again - talking utter bullshine about the backstop! Is he really that dim?
The best outcome one could practically hope for is a return an alternative to the backstop, which allows us to have an invisible border in Northern Ireland.
Everybody really knows that there is a technical answer for Northern Ireland. That’s where we should be looking. If we get that sorted out we get out of the Union and on to the next stage of the negotiation.
No, they know exactly what they are saying. The plan is to get every frustrated Brexit voter to think that “no deal” is nirvana, and the perfect Brexit. They just keep on repeating it no matter what cogent argument is put to them.
It’s the Remainers fault for frustrating Brexit. Nothing to do with the lies and fantasies we spout.
Got my new blue passport today.
Is this what you had in mind Theresa?
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No, they know exactly what they are saying. The plan is to get every frustrated Brexit voter to think that “no deal” is nirvana, and the perfect Brexit. They just keep on repeating it no matter what cogent argument is put to them.
I listened to DD interviewed earlier. A lot of the Leavers are devious plotters and schemers and know exactly what they're up to. David Davis is a different matter though. The observation by his own campaign manager that he's 'as thick as mince' is bang on
He's like a befuddled old uncle who's lapsing into dementia. He probably once imagined, while pissed (which Westminster rumours suggest he is, almost permanently) that there was a 'technical solution' to border controls, probably involving lasers, or tiny computers, or nano-bots or unicorns, or leprechauns or something, but... you know... 'technology, and in his head, thats now reality
Utterly ridiculous that leavers are afraid of a 2nd referendum because they think it might go the wrong way for them, when they are at the same time banging on about the will of the people, isn't it?
Incidentally, some more Brexit chat in my new team at work. At first, no-one mentioned it at work or at clients, cos you know, don't talk about politics, but now people are being openly critical and assuming that everyone else in the room is a remainer. And it seems to be a valid assumption too going on reactions.
Odds on anything productive being done with the next six months? Anyone?
https://twitter.com/mrchrisaddison/status/1116092017002651660
At first, no-one mentioned it at work or at clients, cos you know, don’t talk about politics, but now people are being openly critical and assuming that everyone else in the room is a remainer. And it seems to be a valid assumption too going on reactions.
Yeah being around the businesses I am it's coming up more and more, from the French asking what gets added on top if we win the work (wry smile) to people just waiting for the whole think to be called off in the UK, occasionally somebody pulls a remainer but we should probably just do it - they get a withering look from the rest of the room, quite a few of those types we are starting to suspect are just leave but didn't really mean it voters.
There are still the emboldened foreigner hating lunatics but we all knew who they were to start with.
Brexiters: We hold all the cards!
Europe: ….We’re playing chess.
Brilliant!
DD May be thick, but he is being fed this rubbish as part of an orchestrated campaign.
He's a useful idiot, thats for sure. The very idea that someone as terminally dense as him was put in charge of negotiations certainly explains their failure. He now seems to have forgotten he was ever involved with any of tht.
Parliament presently seems full of useful idiots. Thees not a lot of independent thought going on with the Brexiteers, and an awful lot of unquestioningly spouting the same outright lies and dangerous fantasies
https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote
reminder 1 day left to register to vote in local, May 7th for EU elections
But its all right because Parliment are going on a nice long easter recess from this arvo till the end of the month. I'd say cancell easter and summer rcess unless ou sort this crap out!
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But its all right because Parliment are going on a nice long easter recess from this arvo till the end of the month. I’d say cancell easter and summer rcess unless ou sort this crap out!
Why? longer it goes less likely Brexit it. Extend the life out of it I say. Enjoy yer holidays!
Slightly off topic - anybody else see the uncanny likeness between Julian Asange & David Davis??
@seosamh77 - or no deal depending on who is pulling TM's strigns hardest om a given day and how pissed of the rest of the EU get.
The EU aren't pissed, they want us to stay, so they'll extend it forever if needed, as long as they think the argument is still to be won on the remain side.
Surely the simple population demographics of any extension put it further into remain territory as the Leavers shuffle off to the great Victorian Empire theme park in the sky, and a second referendum can be won easily
I’d say cancell easter and summer rcess unless ou sort this crap out!
Not much they can do right now. Pending the ongoing talks which wont stop due to Easter although will probably end when Maybot reboots and starts at the beginning of MV1 again.
don't for get no-one aged 18-20 has had a say at all. So longer it goes the more we need to know their opinion. I'm all for a 5 year extension.
Yup. Happy days.
Sorry for being dismissive about the "splitting of the Remain vote" @MSP …
https://twitter.com/pascallth/status/1116079561186344960?s=21
So the simple answer is don't vote tory or labour in those elections 🙂
Trying to second guess tactical voting in such a mixed up time is going to lead to some unintended consequences.