Fox hunting and snare trapping is illegal... Still doesn't stop them, they truly belive they can do what they want.
Fox hunting and snare trapping is illegal… Still doesn’t stop them,
****k me, I loathe Brexit as much as the next person, but let's not be an echo chamber. Is this is our example of Brexiters relaxed attitudes to laws?
I have had plenty of heated debates with city dwelling brexit supporting family members, and I never got the impression that fox hunting and snare trapping laws were at the forefront of their thinking.
Many brexit supporters may be ruddy faced, but I don't know any that have a beagle, a bugle, a ready supply of sloe gin, a 12 bore shotgun and a horse called Misty
A bit reactionary maybe, but my badly made point is that brexiters are much like fox hunters.
We've had examples of snares being set in nature reserves, and toffs poorly attempting to justify them.
It's disgusting..
I guess it's the self entitled attitude I was drawing parallels with. Me me me me me
Me me me me me
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They are the same nobheads who butt into any conversation about poverty and go on about how they know a bloke who drives his BMW into Leicester city centre,
Exhibit A: a literal quote from under the Rees-Mogg Common People video on YouTube:
More propaganda, trying to tap into the rich man = bad class war fear, those days are gone, the poor don't follow that carrot so easily anymore, we aren't little toys for the the REAL rich to wind up and play with anytime they like, funny video but thats all it should be taken as no more, you really think the poor can afford to holiday several times a year in their second or third homes abroad a year ? They would be lucky to have a council flat in their own country, thats how much remainers care for the poor.
What the actual?
JRM isn't REAL rich? Really? Estimated £150 million personal wealth. Founded an investment company that looks after funds worth £5.5 billion.
And does anyone actually "think the poor can afford to holiday several times a year in their second or third homes abroad a year"? Of course they can't. They are poor. If they could afford that then, by definition, they would not be poor. I can't afford that and I'm doing reasonably well!
Is he arguing that the poor should be able to afford that and it is just the pesky EU that means they are "lucky to have a council flat in their own country"??
Why was it 'secret'?
Because, if you have a retarded, unworkable idea, you do not want it made public so that people can critique and ridicule it.
See also "we can't tell you what we want to replace EU membership before we trigger the A50 process… we have to keep it secret from those we need to negotiate with."
Because, if you have a retarded, unworkable idea, you do not want it made public so that people can critique and ridicule it.
Nails it!
Bit like Mystic Hunt on R4 earlier in the week (or last week, the sheer quantity of cobblers being spouted makes one day indistinguishable from the next).
Interviewer: What are these alternative arrangements?
Hunt: They are alternative and they are arrangements.
Interviewer: Specifically what are these alternative arrangements?
Hunt: They are alternative and they are arrangements and they are 'technology'.
Interviewer: Specifically what are these technology-based alternative arrangements?
Hunt: I can't tell you - it's a secret.
I had to drive my car whilst listening to this - don't they realise how dangerous it is to drive whilst being convulsed with laughter?
We're just "Playing our cards close to our chest"
We’re just “Playing our cards close to our chest”
Nah - our cards aint even that good...
Tusk has got a better grasp of the situation than anyone I've read or heard on the UK side:
But the facts are unmistakable. At the moment, the pro-Brexit stance of the UK prime minister, and the Leader of the Opposition, rules out this question.
"Today, there is no political force and no effective leadership for Remain. I say this without satisfaction, but you can't argue with the facts."
With the possible exception of Binners.
#votebinners!
Unfortunately that wasn't Tusk's only comment, and while I agree with his "special place in hell" comment, it is bad diplomacy and again another comment from him that just fuels the brexit nutjobs.
Sensible politicians need to find ways of fighting populist messages without falling into the emotive traps that actually play into the populist agendas.
But… what's the plan?
Plenty of people I know who voted for Brexit came around to this opinion before Xmas… they still think we should Leave… but now see that no one leading the campaign, or in a political position and now pushing for Brexit to "respect the referendum result", has presented a plan that works for them… and say they would now vote to stop this (at least for now), given the chance. This is why the "nutjobs", as you put it (they are not representative of all those who voted Leave don't forget) go along with the "no deal" nonsense… what they really mean is that they think we don't need a plan… as they can see there isn't one… and should press ahead without one and just see what pans out.
Tusk will infuriate those pushing for "no deal"… but is that avoidable? On the other hand some of those who voted leave will be nodding along with him… they voted expecting politicans to sort this whole thing to our advantage.
a special place in Hell for those people who support Brexit”
indeed, couldn’t agree more.
Vote for me and everyone will receive their own pet unicorn. Honest! 😀
About as credible as the Brexit pitch from either party. Emma Barnett on Five Live before had someone who maintained they were apparently the Shadow Business Secretary. When asked to clarify the Labour Party's position on Brexit, she reiterated that it hadn't changed. On being elected Jeremy would pop over to Brussels and negotiate a deal that would end freedom of movement, have the UK in A customs union with the EU but not THE customs union, and retain tariff-free access to the single market while not being part of the single market
... and unicorns for everyone.
They also had a labour back-bencher on who stated the bleedin' obvious by describing her own parties position as 'ridiculous'. Apparently Kier Starmer, who does seem to be about the only sane person on either front bench is pressing for the Labour leadership to actually engage with reality and state that we need to remain in the customs union and the single market to retain jobs, and this would mean accepting freedom of movement and continuing to pay in to the EU budget.
While that obviously begs the question 'then why leave at all?" at least it symbolises a novel new approach of a British politician, for the first time in 3 years, who isn't actually living on planet penis
51 days to go and I just blinked.
Entire portfolio is now cash.
At least Tusk has had the balls to say something definitive, not just kick the problem down the road. It's time (actually well past time) May stood up and said two options, crash out or extend / revoke artcile 50, any middle ground deal is dead. Actually I think the only viable options now are crash out or revoke artcile 50, extending it requires 27 other countries to agree and with the way we've behaved I would expect all 27 to agree.
Unfortunately crash out requires nothing, revoke article 50 requires integrity which I don't think May has. We're about to find out what real austerity is not just the Tory lite stuff we had after the banking shambles.
Entire portfolio is now cash
Not sterling I hope 😉
Tusk makes comments that are undiplomatic it's true - but how often do we rail at policitians for not speaking their mind or answering a question straight? At least we know what he thinks (and more importantly the remain door isn't closed), the loons who want to crash out he can't do anything about, it's TMay who has control and their influence is present because she lets it happen.
a special place in Hell for those people who support Brexit”
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I did actually let out a cheer when I heard this
Proper crap reporting from the Beeb
https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1093146820719591427
This is how it should be reported - I expect more from the BBC
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1093123908390318080
Princejohn if you click through the link in the tweet you shared you'll see that the BBC headline now says..
Donald Tusk: Special place in hell for Brexiteers without a plan
It's reported in the Telegraph and In headlines without the "plan" qualification though
https://twitter.com/MagicMagid/status/1093147708959965185?s=19
Good thread from the Mayor of Sheffield on it all as well.
it~ not the first time that Tusk has spoken clearly about his feeling towards Brexit. and i for one applaud him for it.
one of the few people who seems to have a grasp on what Brexit means for those on both sides of the Channel.
@olddog, the earlier BBCpolitics tweet was indeed simply "Donald Tusk: Special place in hell for Brexiteers" which is a long way from the far more targeted reality of…
"I have been wondering what that special place in hell looks like, for those who promoted Brexit, without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out safely"
The BBC tweet (and other reporting by others) suggests he was attacking Brexit supporters, rather than the likes of Boris and Farage.
... which is exactly what the Sky tweet says in the headline and the Telegraph and the Sun. At least the BBC have now corrected.
Yes, I said others have also twisted it.
Not including "those who promoted Brexit", leaves it hanging in the air that he's critizing half of the 2016 electorate. He isn't. He is specifically on about our politicians, and those that bank rolled them.
The sky tweet at least says "those who pushed Brexit", making it far clearer who the words were aimed at.
Tusk makes comments that are undiplomatic it’s true
Why only the other day someone here stopped masturbating about Farage for a minute to tell us he was in fact, “not a diplomat” in what I can only assume was some kind of praise.
I guess the real point is that he felt the need to say something this strong (and was not off the cuff apparently) to make the point that May is wasting everyone's time. He's an astute politician and knows how his comments will be taken and used.
Not sure what his tactic is - the no deal brigade are always going to take as more ammunition for their rhetoric which is worrying, and why I get the sensitivities around how it is reported.
Peter Bone has described Tusk's remark as a "completely outrageous insult".
This will be the Peter Bone who described Van Rompuy (Tusk's predecessor) as having "all the charisma of a damp rag and the appearance of a low-grade bank clerk".
I think the word is 'snowflake'.
Driving home the point that there was not, is not, and we're still pretty far from, any semblance of a plan? Driving home the point that the people really pushing for it at this point are increasing rabid 'brexit at all costs' types. Asking TM if that is really how she wants to align?
This will be the Peter Bone
That was farage.
I wouldnt have thought they would be getting upset. After all the only reason to do so is if they didnt have a plan.
The DUP spokesman has responded to Tusk in a calm and measured way (I am still not completely sure it isnt a fake account).
upset fruitcake
I've got pot plants that are brighter than Peter Bone
Princejohn if you click through the link in the tweet you shared you’ll see that the BBC headline now says..
Donald Tusk: Special place in hell for Brexiteers without a plan
It’s reported in the Telegraph and In headlines without the “plan” qualification though
The main news page of the BBC website has updated, but it's still misleading -'Special Place in Hell for no plan Brexiteers' Just using the word Brexiteers which he didn't use makes it sound like it's an attack on the people.
However to be fair the BBC haven't quite got to Leave.EU levels yet...
https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1093142336551505921
Just as you’re physically wincing as you don’t think you could possibly be more embarrassed to be British, one of the usual Brexiteer bell ends manages to up the ante
The ****s!
51 days to go and I just blinked.
Entire portfolio is now cash.
Surely the smart money is in gold futures!
On that note.....
I fancy buying some gold. Anyone know if it's easy to do with a Hargreaves landsowne account?
Seems blindingly obvious to me…
https://twitter.com/thomasbrake/status/1093104264933711875?s=21
The government have negotiated a withdrawl deal. Put it to the people. Far from ideal, but what option is at this point?
If the deal is excepted, we may still require another referendum choosing, or accepting, a new relationship with the EU, but that can happen during the transition period (or more likely, looking at how the last two years have gone, just after it was due to end). So, despite the #FinalSay hyperbole, this may well be only one step of many, but it gets us pass the current impasse, and avoids a very messy April 2019, no matter what the result. This could well be the only way to block "no deal" happening in 2019 (it may still happen a few years down the road of course).
