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apparently gove turned down the job offer…..
Is that now a clean sweep that every single one of the leading Berexiteers has run a mile when actually charged with delivering it?
Where’s he gone, now that the poo is not only on the fan, but liberally sprayed across the entire country?
This man wouldn’t know hypocrisy if it stared him in the face
Rees Mogg really is a slithering shite of a man.
Say what you like about the tories but their stationery is exemplary.
make it up as you go along why don't you
perhaps they should put it on the side of a bus!
Say what you like about the tories but their stationery is exemplary
Wonder what they do when one resigns....toilet paper?
Maybot has vowed brexit will happen
Which is pretty surprising considering
Loathsome is not resigning so i guess she wants out
I assume they'll get enough letters but I can't see her losing the vote. Wonder what Rees-Mogg is planning.
All I can add at this stage, at what must be 3 years since we started this whole sorry mess is - what a bit of a mess.
It comes to a point when you're praying the The Queen dissolves Parliament (in Acid if needs be) and we start afresh.
This is great, I love watching the world burn.
Wonder what Rees-Mogg is planning.
Hopefully a long walk off a short pier. Whatever it is it will be sniping from the sidelines preferably using someone else as a puppet so he can dodge the blame.
Loathsome is not resigning so i guess she wants out
I don't think so, she just wants to implement the result of the referendum because she believes that to be the right thing to do. You know democracy, it might not be fashionable but some people believe in it.
On the bright side, I sold a bunch of stuff on ebay last night to europeans, on the strength of the pound's nosedive.
No genuinely, that's the only bright side.
With all the vitriol on here and snakes in office I find some solace in that
"she just wants to implement the result of the referendum because she believes that to be the right thing to do. You know democracy, it might not be fashionable but some people believe in it."
Nice little snippet from Sturgeon
"David Mundell wrote to May a few weeks ago, warning that “any deal that threatens the integrity of the UK’s internal market” was a resignation issue for them. Where is David Mundell now, she asks. Does he have the principle to resign? Both Dominic Raab and Esther McVey have warned that that the deal is a real threat to the integrity of the UK, she says."
Remember Davidson and Mundell ( with a lot of help from scottish labour) got 13 mps mainly in coastal areas and their biggest selling point was that fishing would not only be under UK control but Holyrood control. so there is that point as well as the "integrity of the UK" Fisheries policy will remain in EU hands under this deal indefinitely and under Westminster control after that if it ever comes back from the EU
So will Mundell have the guts to resign or will he carry on the pointless stoge? Davidson is in real trouble as well as it now clear that even Scots tories are treated with contempt by Westminster tories and she has lost one key plank of her position .
You know democracy, it might not be fashionable but some people believe in it.
Yes of course. Which is why she wants to limit the democratic options available to MPs around it. Its also odd how the opinions of all the brexit voters just happen to be for her flavour of Brexit.
Say what you like about the tories but their stationery is exemplary.
Isn't it Sam Cams family company that provides it all? Keep it in the family?
Theres a certain irony to all that lovely stationary being used to call for the head of the woman left to clear up the mess her husband left when he curled one out on UK democracy then promptly ran off
"Its also odd how the opinions of all the brexit voters just happen to be for her flavor of Brexit."
i think you might be a little out of tune on this statement . Resignations in Cabinet and the wider ****tersphere of Brexit voters seem to disagree .
I think the original statement reflected trying to deliver on the democratic right of the electorate rather than the democratic powers of the elected .. however shite that may be
JRM mentioned David David and BoJo as potential future tory leaders. Is that really the best he can come up with? Sweet ****ing lord. Hardly strengthens his hand in challenging May does it? Hopefully putting such a clown in charge triggers a GE, Article 50 is stalled and some form of brexit hiatus ensues. I'd put JRM is as Foreign Secretary and send him off to the Saudi embassy for a chat.
Is that now a clean sweep that every single one of the leading Berexiteers has run a mile when actually charged with delivering it?
I think you are correct. The hypocritical sniffling idiots. BoJo has vanished off the face of the earth (which is no bad thing)
@binners. Indeed, I hear the wallpaper in No 11 is also to a very high standard.
I think the original statement reflected trying to deliver on the democratic right of the electorate rather than the democratic powers of the elected .. however shite that may be
I was going to post something similar, but that sums it up.
You know democracy, it might not be fashionable but some people believe in it.
The quality of a democratic result is only as good as the understanding of the electorate. Or, as Churchill put it, the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.
another letter goes in
so we're upto 3 🙂
I assumed leadsome was sticking around to see if she could get multiple rolls in the cabinet & make her CV look even more impressive 😉
( I know someone who sat with her on a science committee & he described her as the least informed, yet most arrogant non-scientist on the committee )
@taxi25 @makkag as for delivering the result of the referendum they promised.....
"Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU"
"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside."
“The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history"
The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want
Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards
the problem is that this is what the country was promised & expects but its impossible to deliver, this is the paradox at the heart of the demcratic legitmacy brexit
It's all feeling a bit;
I don’t think so, she just wants to implement the result of the referendum because she believes that to be the right thing to do. You know democracy, it might not be fashionable but some people believe in it.
Since when did she have any choice? It's got nothing at all to do with her personal choice - Her team have to come up with something that will get through parliament. Walking away from Brexit would have got no support at all and an immediate no-confidence vote.
I have to say - reading the headlines of the 'deal' last night, I was expecting "some" support, but it seems that it's a poisoned chalice - You really can't say anything definitive about Brexit without 90% of parliament saying they disagree (but with no proposition of their own).
It's an absolute farce, and I'm not sure I've heard from a single Tory MP that I believe is thinking about anyone other than themselves/career - Ken Clarke is perhaps the exception.
i think you might be a little out of tune on this statement
Whilst she hasnt run away yet when you see all her comments it is aligning her view of brexit with the voters. Which, incidentally, then leaves her betraying democracy if she backs this one.
I think the original statement reflected trying to deliver on the democratic right of the electorate rather than the democratic powers of the elected
To do that you need to actually understand what the electorate want.
I assumed leadsome was sticking around to see if she could get multiple rolls in the cabinet & make her CV look even more impressive
She's probably accidentaly locked herself in a toilet, or something
The quality of a democratic result is only as good as the understanding of the electorate. Or, as Churchill put it, the best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.
Which might be true, but the option is to remove universal suffrage. And who decides who's clever enough to vote ?
Has no-one done a 'Downfall' parody of this yet? Standards are slipping.
And who decides who’s clever enough to vote ?
A referendum
Hopefully May will weather the the attempted leadership contest.
Parliament all but guaranteed to vote down her deal.
That leaves no deal, and more realistically an extension or retraction of a50.
Last thing we need is May being ousted or a second refurndum... Too risky..
Why is a s second referendum too risky? Risky for whom?
implement the result of the referendum
So you're saying that those staying in the government are doing so as the exit agreement is necessary to implement the result of the referendum? Fair enough.
Ex-ministers claim that they left government because the exit agreement make it impossible to implement the result of the referendum.
It's almost as if the referendum was fundentally flawed as regards what it asked, and when that was asked, and now the result can be used to justify two contradictory positions.
Well, then as now, to justify multiple contradictory positions, really. But then I've said that a hundred or more times in this thread…
We still don't have a plan for our future relationship with all the countries that surround us. All we have are transition plans and a backstop or two designed to give us years to think of, argue over, and implement a future relationship… and why is no one proposing a new relationship…? Because there is still not a single possible relationship which the British public would ever back over remaining a member as we are now. Multiple contradictory possibilities have to be kept alive to keep Leave support above 40% of voters.
Which might be true, but the option is to remove universal suffrage. And who decides who’s clever enough to vote ?
No it isn't, the answer is representative democracy and not direct democracy - ie referendums/mob rule.
Wonder what Rees-Mogg is planning.
He has a plan?
I assumed leadsome was sticking around to see if she could get multiple rolls
Aye she likes a sandwich.
Which might be true, but the option is to remove universal suffrage.
No, it's not. What we need is to improve education to the point where people can spot bullshit when they see it. Politics, Philosophy, Economics and media studies all need to be on the curriculum. How the hell do you expect people do vote when they have no idea about this stuff?
JRM will be sitting in his stately pile counting the potential millions his Disaster Economics based investment company will be making out this F88K up, fuelled by his antics as an MP. He'll come out of this much wealthier whatever happens... total ****!
I think you'll find that it is largely PPE that got us into this mess, in the form of the Oxford degree course of that name.
Don't worry, labour are contributing to making moggy millions as well.
It's all very funny actually, the country has lost it's collective marbles.
JRM will be sitting in his stately pile counting the potential millions his Disaster Economics based investment company will be making…
His dad even wrote a book (or two) explaining how all this works.