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Don’t remember that bit in the biopic of St. Freddy… funny that.
It was in the same bit as his aids / hiv awareness work.
Elton John played Sun City
Michael Jackson played Sun City as did
Rod Stewart
Black Sabbath
Dione Warwick
Tina Turner
Franks Sinatra ....
BTW artists being difficult, young, dumb and full of cheap recreationals. No real surprise.
wasn’t Safe European Home meant to be ironic / a report of what happened...
Agree about Queen as national treasures. How did that happen?
Also: this - ain't gonna play sun city - sounds better than I remember...
...organised by the guy from the sopranos, lillyhammer etc an includes Springsteen, Miles Davis, Grandmaster Melle Mel, Bob Dylan, Herbie Hancock, Ringo Starr, Lou Reed, Run DMC, Peter Gabriel, Bobby Womack, Afrika Bambaataa, Kurtis Blow, Jackson Browne, Bono ffs, George Clinton, Keith Richards, Ronnie Wood, Bonnie Raitt, Hall & Oates, Jimmy Cliff, Gil Scott-Heron, Pete Townshend - another subject douuble ffs, Pat Benatar, Joey Ramone, exclamation mark, and many many others whose names I barerly recognise so have edited out.
Short memories in showbiz, if you are hot everything else is forgotten
So long as you can keep the ever growing camel train of hangers on in drugs, sex and party invites you can do what you like.
Go 'cold' or try to cut some of them out and you are ****ed. Isn't that pretty much the story of every famous person's crash and burn?
But Clapton comes across fundamentally as a bit of a talented simpleton mixed with pettiness and thuggishness. Apparently him and Ian Botham got on like a house on fire...
wasn’t Safe European Home meant to be ironic …
It was ironic. They thought that they would fit right in given their love of reggae and the Brixton version of Jamaica. The reality was that they didn't, it came as a shock and it taught them a thing or two about positive as well as negative prejudice.
There is an innate tendency to imbue people with the characteristics we think they 'should' have. A lot of people are shocked when larger people aren't as 'jolly' as they originally expected. Then the temptation is to 'blame' the other person rather than question your own prejudice. Understand this and you are at least starting to become self aware....
Well everyone who took part in Live Aid benefitted hugely apart from those it was intended to actually benefit so why single Queen out from the rest? Same story whenever any celeb get involved in any charity work. Of course their main intention is probably mostly genuine, but they're also very aware of the boost to their own careers and wealth these things will inevitably lead to and more than happy to take advantage. Look and how they're tripping up over themselves at the moment doing all sorts of shenanigans for the current cause. It's impossible to separate the two things.
People expect way too much from their pop stars and celebrities and only have themselves to blame when they are inevitably let down. Just enjoy their music and performances and leave it at that. Beyond that they're just normal people. They're pop stars and most are not interested one iota in politics...especially when they are raging alcoholics and drug addicts. I've seen it with my own eyes with mates on high on drugs and alcohol, doing and saying things under the influence which they regret the next day. They're living their life in a zombie state and not exactly in full control of their thoughts and actions or even remember saying and doing the things they're reported to have said and done. Or they're just simply looking to play any gig going to earn an income and get themselves out there if early in their career...and many play the gig they're told to/contracted to so have little say in it.
But Eric Clapton is a pretty unpleasant person full stop. He spent the '60's & '70's in a drunken and drug fuelled haze, but even in his more recent clean years I don't think there is any denying that he's pretty unpleasant.
Agree about Queen as national treasures. How did that happen?
Well everyone who took part in Live Aid benefitted hugely apart from those it was intended to actually benefit so why single Queen out from the rest?
Live Aid gave Queen a boost at a point when they were seen as ageing has-beens. But I thought it was Freddie dying of Aids four(?) years later that turned them into national treasures.
four(?)
Eight, I think?
"Queen played Sun City for wads of cash and were pariahs for it.
Then they do a set at Live Aid and suddenly they are national treasures again"
Always remembering that Freddie was a Zoroastrian from Zanzibar thus not "white" as we understand it now, and especially 30 years ago
What's Freddie's religeon got to do with anything?
That apartheid was a system supported and championed by Christian churches in South Africa seeking to force their ideology on other faiths and subjugate their followers increasing st. Freddie’s hypocrisy perhaps?
That apartheid was a system supported and championed by Christian churches in South Africa seeking to force their ideology on other faiths and subjugate their followers
The hypocrisy of dyed in the wool Afrikaners and their Dutch Reformed Church is something of truly epic proportions.
"Goodwill to all men....... so long as you aren't black, brown, gay, socialist or independent thinking".
his racist outburst has definitely been whitewashed, Scuse the pun, as I first heard about it in a guardian article only a few years ago and it’s not widely known.
Im not sure that it’s been deliberately whitewashed - just that Clapton has so little relevance to anyone these days (or for the last 25 years or more really) that nobody writes about him, makes a film about him, etc.
My kids have no idea who he is. I doubt if my wife knows anything more about him than Layla (the song, not the story behind it) and the song about his son. Other than a very specific demographic, nobody cares.
(And his outburst was filmed and is on record. I’d be surprised if there was only one occasion?)
I knew all about Claptons racism.
That apartheid was a system supported and championed by Christian churches in South Africa seeking to force their ideology on other faiths and subjugate their followers increasing st. Freddie’s hypocrisy perhaps?
Google Dutch Reformed Church and knock yourself out.
Here’s a starter for you;
This policy of racial separation, according to South Africa’s Council of Churches in 1947, was "not only born of circumstances but has its basis in Holy Scripture." Theologian J.H. Kritzinger wrote:
"Scripture teaches that God willed racial apartheid and we as Christians may not make light of it."
Oh. So you meant ‘some’. Just checking.
Oh. So you meant ‘some’. Just checking.
Yes because if I’d meant all Christian churches I’d have written that, but don’t let that spoil your faux indignation.
his racist outburst has definitely been whitewashed, Scuse the pun, as I first heard about it in a guardian article only a few years ago and it’s not widely known.
Could be because he said those things at a time when it was more socially acceptable.
just that Clapton has so little relevance to anyone these days (or for the last 25 years or more really) that nobody writes about him
You're forgetting the STW music fan demographic
Could be because he said those things at a time when it was more socially acceptable.
Probably said it while a 15 year groupie was giving him a BJ
You’re forgetting the STW music fan demographic
He said 'little relevance'. I don't think did forget...
Clapton disappeared up his own jacksie in the early 70s from what I know of him.
I got sucked into a BBC4 doc on him a while back. It all boils down to Ringo's wife.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/pattie-boyd
Probably said it while a 15 year groupie was giving him a BJ
😁
No, said onstage in a recorded concert. And I’ve got a vague idea that he might have said similar while being interviewed.
It was 1976, 44 years ago when the UK was a different place. I can't possibly condone what he said in the slightest but that article linked to just looks like a hatchet piece, one stop short of clickbait.
If people want to use that as reason to slag him off then they probably should get a bit of a life. If you don't like his music then there's plenty of other stuff to listen to.
but that article linked to just looks like a hatchet piece
How do you want the words "Wogs go home" to be reported?
How do you want the words “Wogs go home” to be reported?
An attempted reply to this would be most entertaining, I feel.
It all boils down to Ringo’s wife
That would've made it an epic love quintangle 😀
If you don’t like his music then there’s plenty of other stuff to listen to.
I don't fink dis fread is about da moosic
Being told you are God + vast quantities of drink and drugs = messiah complex, often with highly fascist overtones. Roger Waters wrote about it in The Wall (Waiting for the Worms).
How do you want the words “Wogs go home” to be reported?
How was it reported in 1976? And how did people react to it then?
That would be quiet interesting to know.
How was it reported in 1976? And how did people react to it then?
That would be quiet interesting to know.
I doubt it got much of a mention relatively speaking.
Which has very little to do with whether it is 'ok' now or was 'ok' then.
How was it reported in 1976? And how did people react to it then?
I was too young to know at the time but it was still being mentioned in articles in the 80s.
I find it odd as he idolised so many black artists and claimed to reject commercialisation. Perhaps it was partly the drugs and booze or perhaps he was (and maybe is) just a complete arsehole, though I find that most people making such statements are plain ignorant and have been fed some prejudiced bollocks for long enough that they genuinely believe it. Modern examples: Daily Mail readers and anyone who thinks Nigel Farage is an honourable person.
The issue I have is with the fake outrage in 2020 about something a prominent musician said in 1976. Yes it was dreadful, but self-indulgently roasting him on a forum now is just a bit pathetic. Is that the only way people can feel good about themselves nowadays?
How was it reported in 1976? And how did people react to it then?
I think we’ve already done this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism