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Farage isn’t the leader of Reform, he’s the owner
Does anyone know of any billionaires who buy their way into things?
His Twitter/X/Whatever feed really is like some Tourette’s style stream of ignorant consciousness. Totally scattergun reposting of all and sundry of the European far right on subjects he clearly knows the square root of **** all about.
If the impression he’s trying to give is that he’s a useful idiot, then he’s succeeded. If not, well….
I wonder what Trump makes of all this? Or if he’s even noticed? Surely there must be at least some sane voices left in the Republican Party asking whether they want someone at the heart of government allying themselves so closely with such dubious far right individuals and organisations?
Some of them are literally Nazi’s. Even Farage knows where the line is that separates his own racism from the genuine neo-nazis, and is careful to stay just the right side of it.
You have to wonder at the power of the Twitter algorithm and how it's turned Musk himself. There's no other way to explain how he's managed to go down his own far-right circle jerk, rabbit hole.
Not sure if he's either turned on Farage or that the toad has suggested that doing actual work is a bit much and that they should get someone in to do the hard work so he can go back to being a roving mouthpiece (and ignoring the fact that he's a local MP - obviously)
There’s no other way to explain how he’s managed to go down his own far-right circle jerk, rabbit hole.
There are plenty of other possible / plausible motivations. See previous page for a few.
Surely there must be at least some sane voices left in the Republican Party asking whether they want someone at the heart of government allying themselves so closely with such dubious far right individuals and organisations?
The answer would probably be yes we do.
Surely there must be at least some sane voices left in the Republican Party asking whether they want someone at the heart of government allying themselves so closely with such dubious far right individuals and organisations?
Yep
But
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2025/jan/01/elon-musk-donald-trump
Not much of a circle jerk when it's just one person. That's a flasher having a **** in public.
Not sure why why Elons getting into season 2 of Trumpton, if you look at how well it went for all the previous contestants 🙂
You don’t need to be much of a thinker to realise that the only winner is Trump.
Why is this thread still open in preference to the original one?
https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/elon-musk
This is the original one.
This is the original one.
Why is it elon-musk-2 then? (and started a year after the actual original?)
The one I can see that has just been closed is Elon musk 3 and only a few months old.
How many threads does that roaster need...
Hes been shitposting for 24hrs straight and the latest one is a poll saying should America liberate the people of Britian from their Tyranical Govenment . YES / No
Someone needs to take his phone away when hes on a drug fueled sesh -- Idiots lapping it up as well.
Far from normal - My pal thinks hes the messah and is just ignoring the oddity of it all and laughing.
Dont wish ill on anyone - but hope this is the wheels falling off him mentaly as its dragging too many with him.
Yeah I know, thats why I posted about him washing up with Walowitz. The question mark is because emoji's don't work. Should have been a laughing face but I didn;t realise it hadn't posted properly.... ? (eye rolling emoji)
The Reform Party needs a new leader. Farage doesn’t have what it takes.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1875904634419859928
The great thing about that comment by Elon Musk is that it betrays the fact that he knows absolutely nothing about UK politics.
Firstly anyone with the most basic understanding of UK politics would know that Reform UK's recent success is overwhelmingly down to Nigel Farage. Six months ago Reform were predicted to not have one single MP following the general election, all that changed the instant that Nigel Farage declared his candidature and announced that he had become leader of Reform.
And secondly Musk would know that Yaxley- Lennon is a political liability and electorally toxic.
I find it hugely encouraging that Musk appears to be so clueless about UK politics, it certainly reduces his potential to cause dangerous and effective interference.
I don’t think his ignorance is limited purely to UK politics. He seems to know absolutely **** all about any of the subjects he pontificates on
Its like spending an evening in the pub with a coked up scaffolder
Tbh I think at least part of it is the reaction of a bruised ego because Farage didn't agree with him.
"Anyone who doesn't agree with me doesn't have what it takes to lead Reform" would have been a more honest statement. I doubt he actually believes that Farage isn't an ideal leader for Reform.
Which is also hugely encouraging. It's great to see that he is primarily driven by negative emotions rather than positive analysis, it makes his political interference potentially far less effective.
Six months ago Reform were predicted to not have one single MP following the general election, all that changed the instant that Nigel Farage declared his candidature and announced that he had become leader of Reform.
Thats a slight reinvention of what happened. They were predicted to probably get a handful of seats hence why he decided to stand in the best looking choice.
That's not how I remember it. But fair enough, have you got a link in which Reform UK where predicted to win seats before Farage announced he had become Reform leader?
I totally agree that Farage decided to stand in the GE simply because he knew that with the collapse of support of the Tories it would be his best chance ever to secure that elusive Westminster seat.
But whatever the precise details I think it is still fair to claim that Farage's press conference and announcement that he had become Reform leader significantly changed their fortunes during the general election campaign.
Edit : I have just checked and nearly all the seat predictions before 3 June when Farage became leader showed no seats for Reform, after his announcement they pretty much all showed that Reform would win seats.
Google "opinion polls for 2024" then click Wikipedia and then click "seat projections", it even shows the point when Farage became leader. I can't do the direct link.
It’s great to see that he is primarily driven by negative emotions rather than positive analysis
... and is one of those people who always have to be right when arguing on the internet? Smiley emoji.
What I don't get - having sampled some of the noise on twitter before I finally left the other day- is how his fans believe there's a global conspiracy, but that the world's richest person and soon to be pres of the us aren't in on it?
Oh. My question: my work has an x feed which I include on my standard signature . Time to edit I guess...?
But fair enough, have you got a link in which Reform UK where predicted to win seats before Farage announced he had become Reform leader?
This is one poll
There is also plenty of evidence that they were carrying specific polling in Clacton to weigh up his chances. Note there isnt a massive difference in their actual polling numbers before and after. Just like with Labour they primarily benefited from tories staying home and, in their case, from labour doing so as well.
There’s no other way to explain how he’s managed to go down his own far-right circle jerk, rabbit hole.
It probably comes as no surprise but a good deal of the Silicon Valley movers and shakers are pretty radically Alt-Right in their political leanings. From the mid 90's Curtis Yarvin ran a blog under the name of Mencius Moldbug that was more or less 'required reading' (because they're all nerds, after all) which basically argued that the best form of govt is run by 'accountable' Company Exec/King Emperors. Peter Thiel published a similar political thesis back in the 1990 in a a book called The Diversity Myth which argued that the world should be run by white men, and included such charming nuggets like the 'fact' that rape awareness/crisis centres was just a way for women with 'last night regret' to vilify men.
Elon has been self-basting in this stuff for decades now, it should come as surprise to no-one that he holds these views.
Hes been shitposting for 24hrs straight and the latest one is a poll saying should America liberate the people of Britian from their Tyranical Govenment . YES / No
Hopefully he's about to implode into a gibbering wreck, repent of all his ****ishness and start investigating religious retreats/orders.
Doubt it though. The prick.
I see Andrew Tate has now jumped on the Musk bandwagon. It’s quite the accumulation of wrong’uns he’s managing to pull together. We just need Jordon Peterson now for a full house
But is it Musk actually tweeting?
He could be hacked by who knows ... Russians, China, Bezos,?? .... And he can't possibly own up to it, can he ?
But whatever the precise details I think it is still fair to claim that Farage’s press conference and announcement that he had become Reform leader significantly changed their fortunes during the general election campaign.
Genuine question: Is Farage actually that electorally appealing? I haven't lived in the UK for over 20 years, and have completely missed his rise to fame/power. I don't consume UK media on a regular basis, and seen from the outside it's hard to work out his appeal.
I don’t think his ignorance is limited purely to UK politics.
Ignorance? Shit-stirring (or being a "disruptor", as professional arseholes call it) is often more effective if you not only ignore facts, but wilfully set out to get others to ignore them.
Genuine question: Is Farage actually that electorally appealing?
Here's an update from 2024:
| Reform UK | Nigel Farage | - 21,225 - | 46.2 - | n/a | |
| Conservative | Giles Watling | - 12,820 - | 27.9 - | −44.0 | |
| Labour | Jovan Owusu-Nepaul | - 7,448 - | 16.2 - | +0.6 | |
| Liberal Democrats | Matthew Bensilum | - 2,016 - | 4.4 - | −1.8 |
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It helps him, of course, that all major media providers in the UK have been infatuated with him for the last quarter of a century. The only people who have been on Question Time more than him are people who've been appearing since the 80s, and were all senior MPs and government ministers. Farage wasn't even an MP until last year, and yet was paraded out on the BBC constantly. Presumably because they considered him 'box office' or 'engaging' or whatever. 'Clickbait', before such a thing existed?
Farage has shown again and again that he has huge appeal to roughly 20-30% of the electorate. So there was a grim inevitability to him eventually grabbing a parliamentry seat somewhere and somehow.
The issues are twofold:
A: He's got no interest in actually running anything so once his mob actually get put in charge of something it tends to fly off the rails pretty fast, UKIP spent the 2010's getting counillors elected here and there, most of whom were evicted after one term because they were useless at actually doing the job.
B: The other 70% of the UK basically loathes him and if we were ever in a scenario where it looked like he had a shot at number 10, we'd see tactical voting on an unprecedented scale to stop him.
He's a very effective grifter and grievance merchant, and for him Elon's £100 Million was the holy grail of grift, it's deeply amusing that his determined attempt to arse-kiss his way to an absolute fortune has blown up in his face.
Tommy Robinson has been funded by US right wing dark money for years, that's not news sadly.
Come on Keir, you can do better than a mild dressing down in a press conference. How about sweeping windfall taxes on Tesla and any other company in the UK associated with the Space Karen? Or charge him with incitement/conspiracy and start extradition proceedings? There's an opportunity here for the UK to lead the world in standing up to petulant billionaires, he should take it.
being a “disruptor”, as professional arseholes call it
Never a truer word. The second someone says they are a 'disruptor' in a role you know two things:
1. Most of the time they are a big-headed, ignorant, bullshitting ****.
2. You need to put some metaphorical and physical distance between you and them ASAFP.
In the case of Musk, I wouldn't give him the time of day if he offered me a million quid merely to do so.
Come on Keir, you can do better than a mild dressing down in a press conference. How about sweeping windfall taxes on Tesla and any other company in the UK associated with the Space Karen? Or charge him with incitement/conspiracy and start extradition proceedings? There’s an opportunity here for the UK to lead the world in standing up to petulant billionaires, he should take it.
Nah. Special Forces 'hit'. Then just shrug about it when asked.
Why do people think Musk is a genius?
He’s made some astute IT business decisions and made a lot of money.
He’s not an engineering genius building new batteries and developing space rockets.
He's become more than a genius to his followers they see him more like a Guru, and it's got to him. He was never known as being a Man who accepted feedback well from anyone. I can't imagine how sycophantic and delusional his inner circle is. Imagine that ego mixed with the power of being the 'Richest Man in the World' and the influence of the US President Elect's ear.
His house is built on Sand, his wealth is mostly in Telsa shares, currently Tesla is valued at about $1Tr, but that value is partly a market bubble but mostly based on expectation. If you calculated the 'true' value of Tesla as a car company, it would be relatively modest. They only made a profit once, in 2020, but that was from other manufacturers giving them money to off-set their own ICE cars. That scheme has ended.
They face some serious issues, other manufactures are catching up AND whilst they might only be 95% there so far with battery tech, they make fundamentally better cars. At the same time, Europe seems to be softening on banning ICE cars and Trump, however much he owes Elon, is never going to push EVs, his base would hate it.
I sense Elon's is beginning to panic, he's trying to realise his wealth, but the courts are still blocking his $56bn 'bonus', he could sell shares, but he needs the inflated market cap to keep moving. Maybe he's jumped on the Trump bandwagon as an insurance against prosecution. He's got form for market manipulation. An accounting scandal would be enough to cause a run on Tesla shares, after all they only sell 500k cars a year, compared to Toyota who sell 9 million, but somehow Telsa is worth 4x as much?
Genuine question: Is Farage actually that electorally appealing?
He is with certain demographics but he is nowhere as popular with the wider electorate as many people seem to think. In fact his personal ratings are usually about the lowest of any party leader or high profile politician.
His appeal to potential Reform voters is high though and his personal appeal seems to form the backbone of their support. This YouGov poll released on 3 June, the day he announced that he had become Reform leader and would be standing in the GE predicted that Reform would win no seats :
In contrast this poll by ElectoralCalcus a couple of weeks later predicted that Reform would win 18 seats :
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_vipoll_20240626.html
Okay the ElectoralCalcus wasn't typical as it predicted the highest amount of seats but almost all of the polls were predicted Reform seats after Farage's announcement, whilst before his announcement many, if not most, were predicting no seats for Reform.
Anyway the point is that Elon Musk is wrong to claim that Farage is the wrong person to lead Reform. He is in fact the perfect person, a subtle far-right racist who some people fail to understand the danger that he poses, or even that he is a racist.
Who does Musk think is the right person to lead Reform? The previous leader, or Yaxley-Lennon?
It’s great to see that he is primarily driven by negative emotions rather than positive analysis, it makes his political interference potentially far less effective.
Erm, have you not been paying attention since about 2015?
Genuine question: Is Farage actually that electorally appealing?
1 in every 6 voters who exercised their right in July would say so.
That's not to be dismissed.
1 in every 6 people you walk past in the street.
Think on that for a few seconds then try not to feel profoundly sad.
1 in every 6 voters who exercised their right in July would say so.
That’s not to be dismissed.
1 in every 6 people you walk past in the street.
Think on that for a few seconds then try not to feel profoundly sad.
1 in 14 in Scotland. I assume huge variations across both england and Scotland as well
However 1 in 6 unionists in Scotland would change their stance to independence supporters if he gained power in Westminster
Very much electoral marmite with far more loathing him that loving him certainly in Scotland
Because I have a spectacular inability to focus on a task, I decided to tally up who has appeared on Question time the most since the year 2000. Here are the top 20.
It is interesting to note that all of these were MPs for years, often decades, except four. Who are all right-wing rabble rousers. Farage has had one appearance as an MP. TBF though, there is at least a fairly even spread of Right/Centre/Left. (if you take Labour MPs as 'left' which some here would dispute)
| Nigel Farage | 37 |
| Kenneth Clarke | 34 |
| Emily Thornberry | 31 |
| Menzies Campbell | 30 |
| Caroline Lucas | 30 |
| Shirley Williams | 29 |
| Melanie Phillips | 29 |
| Vince Cable | 28 |
| Peter Hain | 28 |
| David Davis | 27 |
| Peter Hitchens | 26 |
| Lisa Nandy | 26 |
| Harriet Harman | 26 |
| Charles Kennedy | 26 |
| Piers Morgan | 26 |
| Theresa May | 25 |
| Diane Abbott | 25 |
| Caroline Flint | 25 |
| Douglas Alexander | 24 |
| Alex Salmond | 24 |
they make fundamentally better cars.
I've been in a few Tesla taxi's over in NL.
They are impressively fast and quiet.
The build quality is absolutely shit and there's little headroom in the back.
Come on Keir, you can do better than a mild dressing down in a press conference. How about sweeping windfall taxes on Tesla and any other company in the UK associated with the Space Karen? Or charge him with incitement/conspiracy and start extradition proceedings? There’s an opportunity here for the UK to lead the world in standing up to petulant billionaires, he should take it.
As fun as it might be, we don't want Politicians who take revenge on people who don't agree with them. He'd be not better than Trump.