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It’s great to see that he is primarily driven by negative emotions rather than positive analysis, it makes his political interference potentially far less effective.
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Erm, have you not been paying attention since about 2015?
Genuinely no, I have very little interest in Elon Musk, what has he been doing since 2015? I assume it has something to do with the EU referendum.....did he interfere?
Starmer was right to just sigh, dismiss him as a Dick, then move on.
Musk is just a blustering bell end, like that annoying kid at school always desperately seeking attention, who just happens to own a social media platform.
He’s obviously got the attention span of a goldfish and by this time next week he’ll have completely forgotten all about grooming gangs and he’ll be on about building Teslas on the sun, annexing Mexico or some other bollocks
Starmer was right to just sigh, dismiss him as a Dick, then move on.
I think we need a much stronger reaction, at least in legislative terms, just ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away will not work, the oligarchs will keep taking more.
Having read what Starmer said I think thats a good counter and well said. Not just a sigh and move on but a detailed factual unemotive counter.
The only thing I would like to have seen is a better labelling of the far right idiots as racists and neo nazis. I know its not Starmers style but I would have like to see something closer to the "racist shite" and "traitor" thats been said by scots politicians
I think the point was that negative campaigning has been a huge industry since 2015.
Don't like something? Here we are to legitimise you pinning it on the EU, immigration, etc. And in any case, it's all done to a backdrop of "well it can't get any worse".
How many conversations between Brits in the street, pub, hairdresser etc do we think are positive and how many are just moan-fests about how the country is "going to the dogs".
I'd wager 80:20 in favour of miserable, moaning bastards. And a majority of them blame their unhappiness on someone else, rather than critical self-examination.
And a majority of them blame their unhappiness on someone else, rather than critical self-examination.
And whenever anything is suggested to make people's lives better, they object, whether that's LTNs, bike lanes, housing, whatever. Because everyone has to be as sour and miserable as they are.
I am not sure what that has to do with Elon Musk. My point is that Musk's judgement appears to be particularly poor if he thinks Reform should replace their leader, Farage is clearly an excellent leader for Reform, he ticks all the right boxes for their supporters.
It is obvious Musk is upset that Farage doesn't agree with him that Yaxley- Lennon is a great asset, and that is the only reason that he is calling for Farage to be replaced.
Musk is allowing his personal emotions to interfere with a sound political strategy. Which I think is great, and I am hoping for a lot more of that.
Just seen that Australia are looking to limit the influence of people like Musk with strict spending caps - https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/australia-moves-to-ban-billionaires-from-buying-elections-387027/
My point is that Musk’s judgement appears to be particularly poor if he thinks Reform should replace their leader,
I appreciate that your point was intended to be specific to Musk, and how you felt that him being driven by negative emotions and not positive analysis meant that the effectiveness of his interference would be weaker as a result.
The point that I was obviously failing to make clearly enough is that UK politics (and elsewhere around the world) has been very effectively hijacked by people driving negative emotions rather than using positive analysis for the last 10 years and more, which is partly why we are in the shitehole that we are in.
I've just seen what Starmer has said today, I'm quite impressed, knocks all the nails on the head imo
In a major speech on NHS reform, Sir Keir Starmer said on Monday: “Those that are spreading lies and misinformation, as far and as wide as possible, are not interested in the victims. They’re interested in themselves. Those who are cheerleading Tommy Robinson are not interested in justice.
“They’re supporting a man who went to prison for nearly collapsing a grooming case. These are people who are trying to get some kind of vicarious thrill through street violence that people like Tommy Robinson promote.”
I do think more focus should be put on pursuing Musk legally though. I was indifferent to Musk until this case emerged and I have disliked him ever since.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50695593
Obviously the United States legal system is always going to benefit those with money but it would be nice if Musk could face both the courts and legislation outside the United States.
I think we need a much stronger reaction, at least in legislative terms, just ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away will not work, the oligarchs will keep taking more.
The thing we've been in Govt is that not only can you create laws, you can backdate them...
Can't understand why Pedo Guy is taking such an interest in UK politics. Did it just start with the riots last summer or has he been trying to stick his oar in previously? Surely he has enough to worry about on the other side of the pond.
Nothing to see here.
Surely he has enough to worry about on the other side of the pond.
I think it's about ego more than influencing UK politics. If he really just wanted to influence UK politics, for whatever reason, it would be sensible to do quietly and subtly in the background, as many other billionaires do, not shouting loudly and publicly from his twitter platform.
He certainly has the money to do that but his current public shenanigans are more likely to damage the causes which he claims to support than to help them.
Nothing to see here.
Correct.
Just like nothing to see in one of Sean Combs investment funds buying into twitter and Musk allegedly saying he is a friend.
my work has an x feed which I include on my standard signature . Time to edit I guess…?
Send an email to HR asking them why it's company policy to promote political bias, foreign interference in UK politics (technically could be construed as treason?) and hate speech, and list some examples.
You could have a lot of fun with it. Also advise them you're removing the link until they can clarify.
Should keep them busy for a while.
I think it’s about ego more than influencing UK politics.
I think it's a lot to do with money as much as anything else. Twitter has been configured to amplify a certain kind of rightwing content and appeal to troll-like personalities who get a thrill from both amplifying that content themselves and having their own content amplified.
But it has also been configured to monetises widely shared posts. So Musk is feeding controversy into the system and amplifying controversy because it rewards him/twitter and also gives little cash-packed thrills to the people he wants to keep feeding content into twitter.
Its a factor thats overlooked in the role of social media in relation to events like Southport (and elsewhere) riots - is that the people who were seeding and sharing the misinformation that lead to those riots were getting financial reward for doing so. $0.85 per 1000 views - Musk's own tweets can get audiences of billions - both with the content he creates and the stuff if shares by others - by amplifying the likes of Tommy Robinson he's also giving them a little bit of dough and signalling to keep putting the content in.
The only thing I would like to have seen is a better labelling of the far right idiots as racists and neo nazis. I know its not Starmers style but I would have like to see something closer to the “racist shite” and “traitor” thats been said by scots politicians
Yes, but Scottish politics especially in Westminster is about perennial opposition.
Plenty of Labour minsters are now having to mumble about things being said in the past and looking forward to a constructive relationship with with the orange Chimpanzee in Chief. Unfortunately the government benches have to deal with being diplomatic as well as idealistic.
It's like the Gaza vote, why have an acceptable but useless motion that skirts just the diplomatic side of calling it a war crime when you can have an equally useless motion just the wrong nuance to break up the Labour vote and keep the Tories in power for another 5 years. This country doesn't need yet more 6th form common room rhetoric politics to combat Farage, We could do with a little bit of consensus politics in this country but the way the SNP goes on I sometimes wonder if they'd be politically palatable in any coalition.
Even on Facebook... (I only still have an account to contact far flung friens) it's just 99% BS on my feed.
I only log in once a week or so now as it's so bad... The other day I reported a thing that popped up on my feed for hate speech... It was a picture of a migrant boat with a picture of chief Brody (from Jaws) saying "we're gonna need bigger sharks".
Apparently that's totally fine and they didn't remove the post or ban the author.
(currently established) Social media is just a total cess pit.
Apparently that doesn't breach guidelines of hate or inciting violence...
I am not sure what that has to do with Elon Musk. My point is that Musk’s judgement appears to be particularly poor if he thinks Reform should replace their leader, Farage is clearly an excellent leader for Reform, he ticks all the right boxes for their supporters.
It depends on what the expectations of Reform are. Farage is good as the leader of a protest party but doesn't appear to have the ability to take it any further than that. He's very bad at deciding on and sticking to a logically coherent position, and his wider appeal is very limited as he's got a lot of baggage from Brexit.
He appears to be like Johnson in not actually wanting to do the work other than campaigning/grifting. For example he's asked 17 written questions and voted 26 times since becoming an MP. Lowe has asked 631 and voted 44 times.
I think many a true word spoken in jest
co0ncensus politics with Faraqge?
He appears to be like Johnson in not actually wanting to do the work other than campaigning/grifting. For example he’s asked 17 written questions and voted 26 times since becoming an MP. Lowe has asked 631 and voted 44 times.
20+ years as a MEP and on track for a £6k a month pension 🙁
1 in every 6 voters who exercised their right in July would say so.That’s not to be dismissed.1 in every 6 people you walk past in the street.
This is off topic but 1 in every 6 voters is not even close to 1 in every 6 people you pass in the street, turnout in the last election was below 60% so around 1 in 10 at best. I'd say Farage is the reason most people voted Reform and without him they will struggle to get any closer to Government, but that's based entirely on the views of people I know personally that did vote Reform
I think we need a much stronger reaction, at least in legislative terms, just ignoring the problem and hoping it will go away will not work, the oligarchs will keep taking more.
Yup. There are any number of avenues for Starmer to stand up to Musk and other billionaires' malignant influence on UK democracy and society:
- Party funding reform
- Media regulation (football clubs have the 'fit-and-proper-person test, why not newspapers and tv channels?)
And the big one:
- Stringent regulation of social media to prevent harm to kids and vulnerable people, eliminate bullying and exploitative content (you don't have to go far on xitter to find that), and ban incitement and other nefarious activities.
All the above would have wide public support and are long overdue. Is Starmer going to ignore them because he's scared of what a rich manbaby says on his internet toy?
I only log in once a week or so now as it’s so bad… The other day I reported a thing that popped up on my feed for hate speech… It was a picture of a migrant boat with a picture of chief Brody (from Jaws) saying “we’re gonna need bigger sharks”.
It’s the weird ai art they do with the extra fingers and toes that does it for me or the weird London pictures.
This is off topic but 1 in every 6 voters is not even close to 1 in every 6 people you pass in the street
No, but if 100 people don't vote, then we must extrapolate that 14 of them would have voted Reform. That's the problem with not voting.
Besides, I'd be confident in saying it is highly likely to be 1 in 6 people one passes in the street - 52% of people who voted in the 2016 referendum voted Leave. There is a fetid undercurrent of prejudice and bigotry in the UK.
No, but if 100 people don’t vote, then we must extrapolate that 14 of them would have voted Reform.
Lolwut? Care to show your working on that?
He appears to be like Johnson in not actually wanting to do the work other than campaigning/grifting
Funny you should mention the fly-tipped sofa, but he’s presently trending on Elon Musks platform for this, which Kemi and chums may want to bear in mind while having an opportunistic pop at Labour and Starmer…
Who'd have thought a child of apartheid South Africa would turn out to be a far right racist. Where's James Bond or the Jackel when you need them.
Lolwut? Care to show your working on that?
14% of votes cast in the UK general election were for Reform.
Assuming those that didn't vote were happy to be dealt whatever outcome those who did vote generated, then we must assume 14 of every hundred non-voters would have voted Reform.
It's not that ****ing difficult to understand.
Having read what Starmer said I think thats a good counter and well said. Not just a sigh and move on but a detailed factual unemotive counter.
Agreed but the problem is in the world we are now living in a worrying amount of people seem to prefer to believe in a brief post on X vs watching Starmer's statement on the news so ultimately it's not really an effective counter.
I agree with some others that if Musk continues or escalates his garbage then we should legislate blocking X in interests of national security or similar, it's not about stifling free speech when he's just spouting lies to the gullible and uninformed which can have serious consequences in the long run. We all witnessed the bullshit on X last year that sparked riots and can clearly see the negative effect it's having on US politics right now. We need to stop pretending it's just a harmless platform for people to post nonsense and see it as one of the main sources of dangerous misinformation in this country.
I can't see any realistic hope of it being banned though, not even just for use by government departments, especially whilst Musk still has Trump's support.
It’s not that **** difficult to understand
I mean, imo you seem to be struggling! You simply can't make the claim that you are making with any credibility.
I can’t see any realistic hope of it being banned though, not even just for use by government departments, especially whilst Musk still has Trump’s support.
Which is why Musk should have been more strongly discouraged before he got to this point.
I wasn't entirely joking about special forces - he could easily have had it quietly pointed out to him that Twitter doesn't have a military and especially not a SF capability.
If our military doesn't exist to deter and/or counter threats to our democracy, what is it for?
Musk cannot be discouraged - his is not rational behaviour
it’s not about stifling free speech when he’s just spouting lies to the gullible and uninformed which can have serious consequences in the long run
Very much this. Jess Phillips is now receiving death threats and given recent history then these have to be taken seriously.
I don’t think for a second that that ketamine-fuelled moron gives a flying **** about the victims in Oldham or Telford, he’s just furthering his own agenda and to hell with the consequences.
Jess Phillips on the other hand, has fought for the rights of women and girls for decades and particularly the cause of victims of sexual and domestic violence. As those people are at lengths to pint out….
‘We stand by Jess’: Telford survivors criticise Musk’s attack on Phillips
Not that it’ll register with the hard-of-thinking Musk fanboys, but I think that Kemi Badanoch and the other bandwagon jumpers should maybe consider their positions on this one and ask themselves where their shameless opportunism is leading them
Assuming those that didn’t vote were happy to be dealt whatever outcome those who did vote generated, then we must assume 14 of every hundred non-voters would have voted Reform.
I don't think that logic holds up, a lot more people are very dissatisfied with the main parties, the election turnout was rather low, but most of the disenfranchised just couldn't bring themselves to vote for any of the shitty options, even with such low approval of the right wing establishment (and labour are currently a right wing establishment party) they didn't turn to reform, they are just added to the mass of disenfranchised voters with no real options.
they are just added to the mass of disenfranchised voters with no real options.
This was me. there was no one I could vote for in my constituency
I wasn’t entirely joking about special forces – he could easily have had it quietly pointed out to him that Twitter doesn’t have a military and especially not a SF capability.
I know this is hypothetical joking, but if you think Musk doesn't have access to military/SF given his wealth and contacts, I think you are being naive.
Kemi Badanoch and the other bandwagon jumpers should maybe consider their positions on this one and ask themselves where their shameless opportunism is leading them
They’re little different to Musk other than $$$$$$. Do and say whatever it takes to promote whatever agenda is motivating them this week.
If you don't vote, you are accepting the result of those who do. The voters who exercise their right are considered representative. Therefore they are representative of non-voters too.
And the UK did vote 52:48 in favour of Brexit too - remember?
It all points to 1 in 6 people in the street being 'Reform-minded' for want of a better phrase.
Deny it all you like - doesn't stop it being true.