Yes Ed. You started the bickering on this thread. Wrecked it nicely. Ta
Ernie was daft to rise to you but everyone can see you started the bickering. Very obvious
Well, before this gets closed, no, it's not an echo chamber and slightly amusingly... This bickering proves that I suppose.😁
Hahaha,
If STW has a right wing conservative bias then Marx and Mao are centerists 😂😂
I wouldn't describe it as an echo chamber though. Plenty of nice threads to break out tea and biscuits over. A good thing IMO as long as arguments are made respectfully.
Well, before this gets closed
I think they're bickering about something off-topic that nobody else cares about.
Inevitably, Brexit 😂
*Glances at thread.....
*Hovers.....
*Ponders.....
*Thinks better of it......
*Waves......
*Scrolls on by......
Edited: Previous post got reposted for some reason, weird.
This brings to mind another thought.
some folk on STW seem able to remember ( and care about) who said what from years ago. I can barely remember what I said yesterday. Its just not that important to me.
discuss at the time, get heated perhaps. But remember it years later and bear a grudge? Not me and clearly not some others either but clearly some folk do
I find that odd.
I bet you’ve got a spreadsheet all to yourself…
🙂
some folk on STW seem able to remember
My recollection is reasonably good, which does mean I remember EL's long sabbatical - through choice I believe - from this forum so it is hardly a surprise that he didn't post on the Brexit thread because he was largely absent during much of the time it ran - so I don't believe it was a case of dscretiion being the better part of valour.
I also recall Ed being surprised to discover that Jamba worked in financial services and that THM didn't live in Scotland so I don't think he is overly blessed with deductive powers, rather like a certain French inspector.
My recollection is reasonably good, which does mean I remember EL’s long sabbatical – through choice I believe – from this forum so it is hardly a surprise that he didn’t post on the Brexit thread because he was largely absent during much of the time it ran
I was around at the time of the referendum and I did post before and after the referendum. I have never posted on the current Brexit thread.
I have a long established belief that it is impossible to have a sensible debate on here about the EU, so I tend to do myself a favour and not get involved. This is what I wrote six years ago in response to a comment made by GrahamS :
listen Graham, I’ve kept mostly off the 159 pages of pointless arguing on this thread.
On the one hand you have UKIP inspired xenophobic gibberish.
And on the other hand you have the “EU is awful but if you don’t vote Remain a big bad Tory government will come and get you, and also it probably means that you support racists murdering people in our streets” argument.
Leavers want to focus on the hordes of Muslim terrorists queuing up to enter the UK because of the EU.
While the Remainers want to focus on personalities rather than real issues, ie, “Don’t you just hate IDS, Gove, and Boris? Well then vote to remain in the EU”.
The possibility of having a sensible debate on the issue is about as likely as me voting Tory.
So beyond making the occasional foray I quite frankly can’t be arsed.
Posted 6 years ago
And this was my response to the claim that Leavers were all loonies:
I didn’t say that. Loonies of all persuasions seem to hate the EU.
Well if you are opposed to the neo-liberal agenda opposing the EU makes a lot of sense. I don’t think it provides evidence that you are some kind of loony.
I question the sanity of those who claim to be socialist and yet support the EU.
It’s a bit like claiming that you’re going to vote Tory after saying that you despise everything that the Tories have done.
“You need to speak to someone” would be my suggestion.
Posted 6 years ago
REPORT
I contributed quite a lot to the thread but refused to get bogged down into the nonsense arguments which both sides in that thread had a passion for. I made my opposition to the EU very clear from the very start. Just like I continue to do so today.
I was around at the time of the referendum and I did post before and after the referendum. I have never posted on the current Brexit thread.
I did have a recollection of you posting on it but your old user name seemed to fall into disuse I guess about 5 years ago and that thread had hardly reached adolescence then!
Yeah my old username was ernie_lynch, I had a long self-imposed break from posting, although I would still read stuff. Then I couldn't use my old username as I didn't know my password and the old email provider freeserve no longer existed, so I re-registered as a simple solution.
STW an echo chamber? No.
Repetive with the same circular arguments? Yes.
Although if there were an echo the author would inevitably argue with it.
An echo chamber is a closed system, it seeks to actively expel dissent.
Well, it’s not “the management”/STW doing it, and there’s obviously no written official policy, but that is effectively exactly what happened/happens.
"I'm so unpopular! It must be everyone else's fault!"
Is that the problem, that we have a vastly higher than average proportion of people who aren't idiots? So when, say, a flat earther dips their toe in the water they're shocked when they get robustly rebuked? Perhaps because they've come here from an echo chamber?
Well done you, using a decade out of date definition to paint me as a racist.
Go ask the average person on the street today what woke means and race will figure very little.
We were asked what it means (was it you who asked?). I explained. Any inference thereafter is your own.
If the question had been instead to ask what "someone on the street" thinks it means, that's a wholly different question and you'd have to ask them because I've no idea. What it means to you is however you've chosen to redefine it, it could mean "buying a sandwich" for all I know.
"Woke" in this context (ie, as opposed to meaning "not asleep") has referred to racial awareness relating to African Americans for like a century, it just wasn't all that common this side of the pond. It's recent redefining to be a pejorative as you've just done is a white pushback to the Black Lives Matter movement.
Those of us who remain have been banned, moderated and warned into avoiding subjects where the playground mob is offended* and then report. When was there last a religion thread? We’ve been trained.
Bollocks.
Are you calling him a liar?
I'd profer if you really feel that strongly about a bunch of mostly white middle-class medicated old sours disagreeing with you on an incestuous forum, you probably need to get out on your bike a little more
It can be a source of knowledge, but that knowledge can be gained elsewhere. The rest of the noise can be ignored if you choose.
I have a long established belief that it is impossible to have a sensible debate on here about the EU, so I tend to do myself a favour and not get involved.
That's at least the third time today (OK, yesterday, it's post-midnight) that you've asserted how much you don't get involved with EU / brexit conversations. You're still not very good at it.
For what it's worth though, for all that we've had a difference of opinion at a user level, I don't recall you getting many if any warnings / bans. To my memory you've always been civil (just bastard hard work to debate with😁).
You can unintentionally avoid the swear filter, although probably less so these days. Especially if it is a combination of words. I once got in trouble with a mod for using a less polite version of halfwit.
If that happened - and I have no way of checking now - then it was a mistake in Moderation. Policy, in so far as there was ever anything approaching a policy, was that users should just allow the swear filter to do its job and not be penalised when it doesn't.
Are you calling him a liar?
I'm not calling him anything, I'm saying he is incorrect.
I was a moderator for ten years, I know what is and isn't allowed and he's incorrect. Fact. Whether he's being deliberately incorrect and therefore lying, I have no way of knowing. You'll have to ask him that.
I've seen any number of "I was banned because..." or "we're not allowed to talk about..." or "I had a warning when..." posts and in the vast majority of cases they are, shall we say 'economical with the truth' at best. Or hyperbolic, perhaps.
But, "bollocks" was quicker to type than a bunch of sentences.
OP - try reading the bike forum once in a while and give the chat forum a rest.
That’s at least the third time today (OK, yesterday, it’s post-midnight) that you’ve asserted how much you don’t get involved with EU / brexit conversations. You’re still not very good at it.
I beg to disagree, I think I am very good at it! I have always made my position quite clear - I am opposed to the EU, but I avoid debates about the subject, especially 6 years after the referendum, because firstly it is impossible imo to have a sensible debate about it and now secondly because staying in the EU is no longer an option, nor is rejoining. I actually get some stick due to my refusal to debate the issue.
There are 10 kinds of people on forums -
Those that are interested in what other people think
Those that understand binary
I like the bit where Binners is a brexiteer
More or less than when he was Hitler?
I’m going for a variation of the Lemmy defence. The Nazi’s had better typography, as many metal bands will testify
However, I could never be a Brexiteer due to their appalling insistence of only using 2 primary colours
Your up early.
I’m a vampire as well as a Nazi Brexiteer
jeepers that escalated from what was actually a fairly interesting discussion
I avoid debates about the subject
I find that the best way to avoid debates about a given subject is to not post several times a day proclaiming how much you're not talking about it.
jeepers that escalated from what was actually a fairly interesting discussion
You are not surprised about that though are you 🙂
There is a bike forum? Well blow me, I just learnt something new....
What a very strange thread this turned into.
What I will say is that we hand very few warnings, especially relative to the number of posts and members. Bans you have to do something spectacular to be banned and will be against the rules we all agreed to. Life bans are even rarer.
You do a good job. And thank you.
Anyway, the only valuable thing I'm taking from this thread is that I think we should all start using the word "hyperbollocks"... it has a nice ring to it.
Bans you have to do something spectacular to be banned and will be against the rules we all agreed to.
Not in my experience.
Bans you have to do something spectacular to be banned and will be against the rules we all agreed to.
Very much agree with this - a couple of times I've been on the end of personal abuse/insults, responded in kind and waited for the temporary ban, only to find the mods have carefully taken the time to delete the offensive posts from both sides.
Not in my experience.
Cool!
Sorry Mods - I didn't think this would descend into a row! I thought it an interesting topic
TJ. Your initial post just seems miles put to me. So completely inaccurate on both counts.
I totally agree with the following. And am frankly gobsmacked that you see it otherwise. It's actually quite scary that you seem to think STW threads are a non EC and are representative of the population as a whole.
Every political thread can be summed up thus : “we all hate the Tories, we all hate brexit”.
It’s hardly “a huge variety of views”.
It’s what might be described as an echo chamber.
This is just insanity:
I would now consider folk like rone, Dazh and Binners as brexiteers as they have accepted it
Aha, this sums up my thoughts perfectly
Is like calling you a Russian Nationalist because you’ve accepted that you can’t personally go out to Ukraine and fight.
I wouldn't say it's an echo chamber, but it is very much a dad's playgroup.
There's an awful lot of showy-offy opinionating in the vain of "soon they will recognise that I am in fact right about everything if only I can post loudly enough". There's huge amounts of passive aggressive "surely you can see" or "are you disagreeing with this expert?" which on the face of it looks fine enough but is designed to wind people up. Some posters (especially on political threads) do it all the time. There's a lot of "listen to me" and not a lot of "I'd like to know more about, can you tell me?"
I lurk mostly nowadays 'casue it can be quite unpleasant. It does "smell of boy" here quite a bit.
^ yeah, but its the smell of a boy who believes that you dont need to wash if you paid over £50 for your organic artisan merino base layers, rather than sterioids, ralgex and a top layer of lynx africa, no?
for a naval gazing thread, this isnt the worst ive seen
(high praise actually)
TJ. Your initial post just seems miles put to me. So completely inaccurate on both counts.
Which shows its not an echo chamber?
I don't think its representative of the population as a whole as I said in several posts. We are missing the hard right and the ideologivcal brexitters ( mainly)
I would now consider folk like rone, Dazh and Binners as brexiteers as they have accepted it
thats my opinion. Disagree fine. shows its not an echo chamber
labour are now a brexit party - thats undeniable. IMO if you now support labour then you support brexit. You have the right to a different opinion and the space to express it. I used to think Starmer would be a good PM and was honest. Th last few weeks and that big speech shows he is neither. He has travelled to become a brexiteer so is complicit now in the greatest act of self harm to the UK in my lifetime.
labour are now a brexit party – thats undeniable. IMO if you now support labour then you support brexit.
I'd vote Labour because it's a two-horse race here and they aren't the Tories. It stinks but there's little other option. If you think that means I support brexit then you haven't been paying attention for the last six years.
labour are now a brexit party
No it isn't. It is not Labour policy to leave the EU. It is Labour policy to accept that the UK has left the EU.
You can't exit from something which you aren't in.
Cool!
Not really, but there you go.
