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Our local Nursery closed due to Covid too. I think Staff not kids.
@poah glad you had a good day back.
Can't wait to be able to get away from my kitchen table and back to the office. Maybe Nicola will give us some idea when tomorrow...
Which region are you in, Longdog?
Not even worth asking, I'm 37 with no issues and got my first 2 weeks ago meanwhile plenty older folk and those with health issues haven't in the same area. No idea.
Pitchforks out for sharpening in Tweed Valley.
(TLDR: This is a local town, for local people, are you local?)
https://www.peeblesshirenews.com/news/19156367.coronavirus-lockdown-rule-breakers-visiting-peebles/
(TLDR: This is a local town, for local people, are you local?)
At least they've stopped with the 'vulnerable rural communities' pish and have pretty much embraced just being annoyed at outsiders for its own sake.
One of us is confused, what's a local authority boundary?
"The rules clearly state you should not cross local authority boundaries.
And I don’t think for a minute these are all residents that live between Leadburn and Eddleston."
Leadburn is in Midlothian. Eddleston is Borders. I read it as all the cars he sees coming through Eddleston must be coming from Midlothian as there aren't many houses between the two villages.
Meh, just wait until it opens up properly again.
I noticed quite a few more motorhomes about this past weekend up here on Speyside, it's gonna be a fun time when travel restrictions end 😆
Its a reasonable assumption, to be fair. Peebles locals won't drive to Glentress - cars coming from the South could be from within Borders county.
Cars coming from the North are by definition from outside the local authority, there are just a few houses between Eddlestone and the county border.
I have seen the day-trippers (and day tippers judging from the state of the free camping bits of the Meldons) they park in the council parking lot, get a takeaway coffee and wander about the parks and the closed shops on high street. How bored would you have to be?
How bored would you have to be?
I've been known to drive a few miles and "picnic" in the car, just for a different view. I don't think it's boredom, just desire for a bit of a change. If I lived in Edinburgh I'd be finding it incredibly difficult to stay within the guidelines, the moreso when I see many folk aren't.
At least they’ve stopped with the ‘vulnerable rural communities’ pish and have pretty much embraced just being annoyed at outsiders for its own sake.
My favourite was back when the EWS visited in 2015 and the Innerleithen locals complained about cyclists using the cycle path
Why is concern about “vulnerable rural communities pish”?
Because they aren't particularly vulnerable to coronavirus tranmission. Urban communities and particularly poorer urban communities are the ones that have been most vulnerable in this pandemic.
well apart from the 4th years but can’t have everything
Turd, sorry; third year here. They have ALL started smoking.
Peebles locals won’t drive to Glentress – cars coming from the South could be from within Borders county.
Lol, course they wouldn't.
Why would you drive to Glentress from Peebles? You get gouged for parking, the cafe is shite, and the better trails are Soonhope, Janet's brae lane area anyway?
Madness I tell you!
Depends how nice their T5 is.
When is non essential" building work going to be able to recommence been any hints ?
Had an escape of water related to the -19degree c incident a few weeks ago and insurance have stripped out all the damaged interior -floors /plasterboard etc and left the driers but as we are living in the house they cannot send their contractors in for the refit as it's no longer "essential"
Also had our solar install postponed due to this as well but that's not even close to essential - it would be nice to have a floor and walls again - that said the insurance didn't class running water as essential either...
but as we are living in the house they cannot send their contractors in for the refit as it’s no longer “essential”
Won't send..... 😉 they've viewed your posting history and are currently drawing the straws as to who goes...
Because they aren’t particularly vulnerable to coronavirus tranmission. Urban communities and particularly poorer urban communities are the ones that have been most vulnerable in this pandemic.
Whilst statistically true, and probably true for many of the risk factors in transmission; the rural demographics may be older and the hospital facilities are likely further away an less well equipped so there is an argument that they are more vulnerable. I think the culture shock when the gates go up might be a bigger issue though - and I'm quite sure that there are lots of rural communities (who don't directly benefit from tourist traffic) who would quite like the townies to stay away.
for parking, the cafe is shite, an
The cafe is excellent. I really like it and the people who work there are brilliant as well.
No cases here in Shetland for 5 weeks. Now 6 cases linked to the local primary school that was closed yesterday 😥👎.
Still here despite over half the population being vaccinated now.
Turd, sorry; third year here. They have ALL started smoking.
I know that I shouldn't laugh, but I did find that quite funny.
For anyone watching the Scottish govt update - Is it my imagination or has the regional tier system been quietly abandoned?
Peebles is gonna be gridlocked on the 26th of April....
Just waiting to see anything about holiday accommodation now and might finally be able to settle my own plans for May
Edit: "All tourist accommodation will be able to re-open, subject to any restrictions."
Peebles is gonna be gridlocked on the 26th of April….
I think the valley is off any of the oab_family plans until last week in November...
Not sure about abandoned but for sure it seems like some of the biggest components are gone. Like, no travel restrictions from April 26th, self catering open nationwide, seems like the pubs, gyms is all national. maybe there's still tier elements for other stuff but I didn't hear any mention
I could accept that with some provisos spi. In addition to what poly said poverty is common in rural communities and one of the drivers of transmission was high density of population. That also exists in rural communities, though it may be atypical. There is also a a problem of housing shortage and low wages which leads to people living in overcrowded and poor quality housing. Then there's the long distance to travel for hospital treatments and the fact that local services are often dependent on only a few people with sickness cover being really difficult to provide. Anyway Edinburgh Uni is doing a study on the effects of COVID-19 on rural communities, I hope they do actually consult rural communities on that
I think the valley is off any of the oab_family plans until last week in November…
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I am disowning him... 😉
Wait, so I can meet 49 other people indoors a month before before I can meet 5 others outdoors... Eh?
So what about Scottish students who attend English universities? It looks as though those English universities (like the Scottish ones) will be accepting students back on campus by the 26th of April, but travel outside Scotland is still banned. Or does returning to study count as essential travel?
So what about Scottish students who attend English universities? It looks as though those English universities (like the Scottish ones) will be accepting students back on campus by the 26th of April, but travel outside Scotland is still banned. Or does returning to study count as essential travel?
Restrictions on journeys between Scotland and other parts of the UK are likely to be lifted on 26 April, or "as soon as possible thereafter".
However, Ms Sturgeon warned that international travel would not be possible until at least mid-May due to the risk of importing new cases of the virus.
Again, clear as mud. Nothing about when we can get across to Lewis. The roadmap only mentions travel "within mainland Scotland" allowed as of 26th April and doesn't mention the islands at all.
As we move from "stay at home" to "stay local" on 2nd April, can I assume that travelling to, say, Lochinver from Aviemore is local enough (same LA)?
So what about Scottish students who attend English universities?
What about Scottish Universities and students who, on the say so of Nicola, said that there would be no face to face for the rest of the year are now being told there will be face to face? This after giving up halls and moving home for many...
Wait, so I can meet 49 other people indoors a month before before I can meet 5 others outdoors… Eh?
Take a Bible/Koran/Torah/Light Sabre on your next group ride.
Did Nicola ever say that there would be no face to face for the rest of the year for university students? I know some universities announced that, which surprised me at the time, but I can't recall it ever being government policy. Maybe I just missed it though. We've certainly not said anything to our students about the summer term yet and have always worked on the assumption that we'd provide some face to face teaching if it was allowed.
I don't recall Mrs Sturgeon saying that re Universities.
Take a Bible/Koran/Torah/Light Sabre on your next group ride.
Going to start a cult. Who's in? I can probably get hold of some goats.
Nothing about when we can get across to Lewis. The roadmap only mentions travel “within mainland Scotland” allowed as of 26th April and doesn’t mention the islands at all.
Yeh the way presented everyone else can go all over scotland and into the rest of the uk, but we (Shetland) might not be allowed to go to the mainland still, essentially because we're in a lower tier. Though she said we'll have the option to go down to tier 2, not that we will.
Effectively no change here for some time to come really 🙄 Certainly nothing that works for me anyway.
scotroutes
Full MemberAs we move from “stay at home” to “stay local” on 2nd April, can I assume that travelling to, say, Lochinver from Aviemore is local enough (same LA)?
The document Jason Leitch posted says yes. Though I don't think it's official til he's been on Off The Ball.
The islands stuff seems like a pretty big screwup tbh.
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trail_rat
Free MemberWhen is non essential” building work going to be able to recommence been any hints ?
I had a spark out doing non essential work today inside the house (East Dunbartonshire) . The company is working normally as far as I can see.
There's a lot on that list that's already happening, non essential travel being the main one. I've been guilty a couple of times but only for exercise in a (very) non crowded area.
Going to start a cult. Who’s in? I can probably get hold of some goats.
I’ve always assumed the surprisingly large numbers permitted for religious worship were because if you’ve picked the right god they’ll look after you?
There’s surely no other explanation - it’s not like the church could have an unhealthy influence on the state?
@longdog - interesting I wonder if we could do a swap - I’d gladly be stuck on Shetland for a few months with virtually no cases around and no influx of tourists; you could have central belt mayhem when people who normally spend Saturdays at the football, soft play and shopping centres can’t do that but are now allowed to travel to quaint little towns... whilst we and the surrounding councils consistently fail to stamp out hotspots especially in the poorest communities.
There’s surely no other explanation – it’s not like the church could have an unhealthy influence on the state?
I think that timetable for easing restrictions says quite a lot about the pressures and prejudices of the Scottish Government.
There’s surely no other explanation – it’s not like the church could have an unhealthy influence on the state?
I'm no fan of religion, but as part of the UN Human Rights convention there is an expectation that states "ensure, in particular, the right of all persons to worship or assemble in connection with a religion or belief".
If you were religious you could argue that your basic inalienable human rights are being infringed by being prevented from gathering and any restriction must be removed as a priority. It's hard to make the same direct argument for going to the Golfie or taking a foreign holiday.
What you need to do, as suggested above, is form a new religion and take advantage of the special pleading that it gives you.
@poly yeh sounds great here in comparison eh? Until it's today that your daughter is in hospital several hundred miles away having a baby and your mams there too, old fragile and losing it and it's going to be over a year since you've seen them due to restrictions. Add to which I've not been able to get my injections for OA in my wrists down in Abz for over a year now.
I am glad i don't have the central belt issues, and glad I've still got a job, but it's not all rosie wfh up here either.
My point though, was that when youse should be get eased off and able to travel more and within the whole of Scotland and into England, we won't be if what Nicola is saying comes to pass.
@poly yeh sounds great here in comparison eh?
Yes, and of course I'm being somewhat flippant, but the last thing you need is an influx of tourists bringing outbreaks with them.
Until it’s today that your daughter is in hospital several hundred miles away having a baby and your mams there too, old fragile and losing it
keep in mind that travel to assist with care/vulnerable people (whether old or new mums) IS permitted.
Add to which I’ve not been able to get my injections for OA in my wrists down in Abz for over a year now.
as is travel for medical purposes - and as much medical stuff is supposed to be continuing as possible. I'd be on the phone to the ARI (or wherever it should be getting done) asking what the plan is.
I am glad i don’t have the central belt issues, and glad I’ve still got a job, but it’s not all rosie wfh up here either.
My point though, was that when youse should be get eased off and able to travel more and within the whole of Scotland and into England, we won’t be if what Nicola is saying comes to pass.
I was pretty amazed that she's announced what she has (for the mainland). It was of course missing significant detail. I'd expect that some sort of arrangement will be found that lets islanders access the mainland but perhaps keeps the islands off limits to the rest of us for a little longer. I presume they'll still want them open by summer for the tourist money.
@tomd - if you are going to quote the UN Human Rights Convention you need to actually quote it...
I’m no fan of religion, but as part of the UN Human Rights convention there is an expectation that states “ensure, in particular, the right of all persons to worship or assemble in connection with a religion or belief”.
If you were religious you could argue that your basic inalienable human rights are being infringed by being prevented from gathering and any restriction must be removed as a priority. It’s hard to make the same direct argument for going to the Golfie or taking a foreign holiday.
the phrase assemble in connection with a religion does not appear anywhere in the declaration of rights: https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights
There are a bunch of other articles which are relevant to the restrictions we face: 3. Life; 13. Movement within our own states; 20. Peaceful assembly; 27. Participate in culture and arts. [all my brief paraphrasing]
Article 18 - which is the right to religious belief - doesn't say "must have the right to gather indoors" nor "must have the right to gather in bigger groups than those without the same belief".
The issues within Article 13, 20 and 27, which are legitimately being limited to ensure that Article 3 rights are protected are at least as arguable as any interference with religion argument. There's various rights to family life (dotted amongst all the articles) which mean that the interference with my ability to visit parents in a different LA area are also being interfered with. If we have prioritised one groups right over another - that would seem incompatible with Article 30.
The European Convention on Human Rights incorporate the UN article 18 rights with the caveat:
"Freedom to manifest one’s religion or beliefs shall be
subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are
necessary in a democratic society in the interests of public safety,
for the protection of public order, health or morals, or for the
protection of the rights and freedoms of others."
My bold.
I think what you have actually quoted is a statement by the UN committee on human rights urging states what to do (in normal times - its from 1981) - not an "inalienable human right".
Nobody is preventing people from worshiping, either individually or indeed collectively, but doing so in LARGE groups INDOORS is obviously highly questionable, and I think its legitimate to ask why that right is given higher priority than all the other rights listed above.
Poly,my daughter and mam are being cared for by others, husband, family members etc, so there is no essential need for me to travel.
Wrt my wrist, the issue isn't the travel, but that the procedures aren't being carried out due to covid, although due to their lack of vc facilities (maybe there's a grdp/procedural reason why the consultant can use her own laptop/phone??) I still haven't had results of an mri I did manage to get done back at the beginning of December (woodend hosp). I've rang a few times and I'm doing so again today. Not sure why I can even have a letter though regarding my results.
had a spark out doing non essential work today inside the house (East Dunbartonshire) . The company is working normally as far as I can see.
Was he working on behalf of a corporate insurance conglomerate or a spark you appointed.
I'm aware I can get trades folk in who are willing to break the rules quite easy. But it'll come out my pocket not the insurance.....
My insurance company (Admiral) have just paid out for a leak in my kitchen and advised I appoint a contractor. They sent out their own bunch to assess the damage and leave behind dehumidifiers etc and then to come back report / collect their stuff. Not once has there been a single mention of whether this would be legit under the rules or not.
I presume they’ll still want them (islands) open by summer for the tourist money.
I hope so. We are booked first week of the holidays (2nd July) to Harris & Lewis...
I presume they’ll still want them (islands) open by summer for the tourist money.
I hope so. We are booked first week of the holidays (2nd July) to Harris & Lewis…
Those in tourist related roles will want them, there's plenty here who's income doesn't rely on tourism who don't.
I just want this over. I've done as I'm told and will continue to do so, had my jabs, but just desperately want to get back to normal.
Normal for me doesn't mean international holidays, festivals and sports. It means not enforced wfh which makes my job more difficult, seeing friends and family and getting some rides and walking in somewhere with trees and rivers.
Lets just see how the rates go the next 3 weeks. See what the response is then. Rates up and hell just open it up for the greater good. 😛
They sent out their own bunch to assess the damage and leave behind dehumidifiers etc and then to come back report / collect their stuff.
Yep. They did that. That was essential. I'm at the make good stage.
Part of me knows they are pulling my pisser but once the excuse is gone they will have to sort it.
Fyi they have been slow and painful at every stage so far.
lightfighter762
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Lets just see how the rates go the next 3 weeks. See what the response is then. Rates up and hell just open it up for the greater good. 😛
tbh I suspect further we go along this time line, it'll be more hospitalisations and deaths that will be the driver of further restrictions. More the vaccine gets rolled out there will be less reliance on infection rate playing the major role in any decisions.
tbh I suspect further we go along this time line, it’ll be more hospitalisation and deaths that will be the driver of further restrictions. More the vaccine get rolled out the less reliance on infections play the major role in any decisions.
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tbh I suspect further we go along this time line, it’ll be more hospitalisation and deaths that will be the driver of further restrictions. More the vaccine get rolled out the less reliance on infections play the major role in any decisions.
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I think this is already happening. The announcement three weeks ago was all about returning to regional tiers and how the infection rate per 100,000 cut off levels were being drastically lowered. The announcement yesterday made no mention of any of that from what I heard, and interestingly, also no mention of the Rangers supporters out celebrating which had previously been threatened as a reason to extend lockdown.
tbh I suspect further we go along this time line, it’ll be more hospitalisations and deaths that will be the driver of further restrictions
I believe I heard Nicola say yesterday that of the groups vaccinated so far, they account for 99% of the groups hospitalised so barring any mutations that increase hospitalisations in the 1%, we will see case numbers rise in general, but hospitalisations and deaths remain low
Talking now on tv re new testing strategy issued today
I believe I heard Nicola say yesterday that of the groups vaccinated so far, they account for 99% of the groups hospitalised so barring any mutations that increase hospitalisations in the 1%, we will see case numbers rise in general, but hospitalisations and deaths remain low
Whilst that is true. If you reopen significantly and have widespread transmission you get large enough numbers in the younger/healthy population to still cause problems as well as of course meaning that the 10% or so of people the vaccine doesn't work for in those vulnerable groups are much more likely to be exposed... Last week she said the aim was maximum suppression ("zero covid") - that doesn't fit with a let numbers rise so long as hosital/death rate is low.
Yep. They did that. That was essential. I’m at the make good stage.
Part of me knows they are pulling my pisser but once the excuse is gone they will have to sort it.
Fyi they have been slow and painful at every stage so far.
Unfortunate situation. Luckily I've had no pushback at all. For reference, my experience with Admiral as car insurers was abysmal, but this has been superb. I didn't need to speak to anyone at Admiral, lodged claim online then it went straight to their assessor (Sedgewick) who were superb.
If they've done the assessment, can you not settle the claim, get your money and hire your own contractors? I was strongly advised by Sedgewick not to use their lot, as it would add a huge lead time.
Zero Covid is a fantasy without a "whole UK" approach its that pesky border issue again. Unless there are plans to build a wall (and make the Geordies pay for it)....
hels
Free Member
Zero Covid is a fantasy without a “whole UK” approach its that pesky border issue again. Unless there are plans to build a wall (and make the Geordies pay for it)….
Zero covid is a fantasy anywhere, it'll turn into something less concerning assuming vaccines are effective and continue to be so, but they won't eradicate covid, it'll still be around.
tbh she shouldn't use the term. As all she really means(she's explained this) is suppressing it as much as possible. Which is the correct current strategy, but assuming the vaccines continue to be effective, then suppression becomes less important. Cause we need to open up, we can't live like this forever.
There is the fear of mutations, but we can't live in fear of the what if. Over to the gov(s) to fix the crap test and trace system and to help accelerate worldwide vaccination as much as possible.
Weekend of 1st/2nd May shaping up for a perfect storm:
1) reopening of pubs/alcohol (at start of that week)
2) holiday weekend
3) just after payday
Already planning my escape to the middle of nowhere to avoid the potential carnage.
Though I don’t think it’s official til he’s been on Off The Ball.
It is the best place to get covid info.
I've just driven through the Meadows to Holyrood car park and it feels like any other year when we get the first bit of good weather. Loads of people hanging out at the Meadows, usual drinking etc. Car park at Holyrood was rammed and that was at 6pm.
Well, you're allowed to meet others in small groups outside for socialising...
I’ve just driven through the Meadows to Holyrood car park and it feels like any other year when we get the first bit of good weather. Loads of people hanging out at the Meadows, usual drinking etc. Car park at Holyrood was rammed and that was at 6pm.
C'mon Steven , what do you expect . Decent size city , A lot of students and a lot of people in the city centre with no gardens. It's the same as stating Portobello beach is busy or longniddry for that matter. Any of the park spaces or local beaches will obviously all be busy in the good weather It dosent really mean people are breaking rules.
I’ve just driven through the Meadows to Holyrood car park and it feels like any other year when we get the first bit of good weather. Loads of people hanging out at the Meadows, usual drinking etc.
Sounds great.
Already planning my escape to the middle of nowhere to avoid the potential carnage.
Much like everyone else. I think the middle of nowhere is going to be somewhat busier than usual...
Sadly some were breaking the rules, saw some fairly large groups with no social distancing. This is when we are just coming out of the latest lockdown, there is an outbreak at St Andrews uni and it looks like vaccination supply is going to slow down a fair bit. It's less than a fortnight since Rangers fans were rightly getting stuck for gathering. Everybodys circumstances are different but I'm fed up of the impact on my family and we can't just go out and do what we want to do.
Much like everyone else. I think the middle of nowhere is going to be somewhat busier than usual…
Indeed, but at least some won't venture any further than their nearest pub with a beer garden/pavement.
Predictions for the weekend?
I've seen a few posts on FB that suggest after this weeks unlock timetable announcements some have basically taken things as "crack on".
I am also aware of more and more friends and family arranging meets across the country.
If there is good weather I am predicting traffic jams and overcrowding at the usual honeypots. Part of me doesn't blame anyone for this - we all are feeling the need to get out and/or meet up with friends. However it is a concern.
Sadly some were breaking the rules, saw some fairly large groups with no social distancing
Been the same all the way through. But remember lots of the students are in larger bubbles than families because of the nature of their accommodation. Some may be breaking the rules but not all. Yesterday, there was at least decent separation between the groups. Groups of parents doing school drop off / collection were less responsible.
I feel the same way as Matt. It may be that case numbers are not going to be that important as long as hospital numbers stay low but it feels like the rules are out the window now.
Zero covid is a fantasy anywhere, it’ll turn into something less concerning assuming vaccines are effective and continue to be so, but they won’t eradicate covid, it’ll still be around.
tbh she shouldn’t use the term. As all she really means(she’s explained this) is suppressing it as much as possible. Which is the correct current strategy, but assuming the vaccines continue to be effective, then suppression becomes less important. Cause we need to open up, we can’t live like this forever.
Its a really badly named term - but its an internationally used term for maximum suppression, not eradication. It is a challenge without the whole island of Britain adopting it - but I think whilst its politically not the public strategy in England, behind the scenes they may actually be heading that way.