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Aye I think it's looking like last week might have been a peak of sorts, defo looking like it's starting to wain this week, hopefully it'll continue.
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7 day rolling numbers.
Think that starting to head on a downward way might just save glasgow, south and north lanarkshire from going into level 4.
English mid-term hols next week means we might have to hold off our optimism
Whats the betting on what happens next week?
At the moment its only advisory not to travel out of your area and I am desperate to see some mountains! Likely to be stricter next week?
Hopefully tier one for us in Moray 🙂
Whats the betting on what happens next week?
At the moment its only advisory not to travel out of your area and I am desperate to see some mountains! Likely to be stricter next week?
Answered on the last page I think
New strategy, page 59, no matter what level you’re at, travel for outdoor exercise is classed as essential travel by the looks of it.
seems to be pushing it rather to drive several hundred miles north tho!
I think Mrs Sturgeon is making an announcement today re which health board areas are in which Tier.
Aye. You plague carriers need to stay out of our lovely Tier 1 sanctuary.
*rings bell*
Unclean! Unclean!
Agreed Colin!
Do the risk assessment TJ - we travelled a couple of weeks back.
Took packed lunch, had fuel, didn't stop anywhere for cafe or shop. Basically drive to the hill, climb hill, drive home.
The risks are then about something going wrong (breakdown, MRT call etc).
Aye - there are 3 ways of doing this. Adherence to the rules, adherence to the spirit of the rules and rational risk assessment. I'm conflicted quite honestly. I am just fed up of not seeing a mountain all year and really want a couple of days up north.
If you travel several hundred miles, you'll have overshot the mountains fella.
Depends on the route and which mountain 🙂
So, within Level 1, can I socialise indoors (6/2) or not?
Level 1 is 8/3 indoors 15/5 outdoors!
Yes, but at the moment there is an extra request not to meet in other homes at all levels until further notice, pending further review
the new levels, and associated guidance, are effective from Monday. So for example, we are asked not to travel outwith our own health board if elevated, at present, but can, for exercise, on Monday, regardless of which level we are in.
seosamh77
Full MemberAye I think it’s looking like last week might have been a peak of sorts, defo looking like it’s starting to wain this week, hopefully it’ll continue.
Already people are saying "it looks like the numbers are falling, why are they still announcing restrictions". Drives you mad sometimes. Folk genuinely seem to have decided that R = 1 is a target rather than a disaster.
metalheart
Full Member
So, within Level 1, can I socialise indoors (6/2) or not?
Socialising within homes is still suspended for now
Yeh, we're level 1, Shetland, but still no meetings indoors until at least the next review.
There's lots of grumbling's here that we should be level zero, but I think the level of tourism and contractor travel here gives them caution, plus we've had a few recent cases that have all been linked to international travel.
Only been able to meet with one other friend, and outdoors is a pain. It'd be good if you could meet with at least a couple of others. Still working from home (and that's not looking to change any time soon), other than the occasional site visit I need to do.
BoardinBob
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Answered on the last page I think
The "low risk" part could be a stumbling block? Again, would come down to your assessment i suppose. Standard ride - ok, fully on your limit gnar - probs not so much?
As in the spring we will set out the travel restrictions in guidance, with the option of enforcement through regulations where that is necessary. Regardless of our approach, we would expect everyone to follow the evidence and expert advice about what is required to suppress the virus. We will enable low-risk activities outdoors as far as possible and seek to avoid adverse effects such as loneliness. We will ensure that there are exceptions, for example, for essential travel including for work (where that is not reasonably practicable at home), education, outdoor exercise, and access to healthcare and other essential services, for weddings and funerals, for essential shopping where that is not possible locally, and for transit through restricted areas. We will continue to engage closely with local authorities and transport providers, particularly those covering our rural and island communities to consider the specific issues they may face.
Found this informative
https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-10-28/a-room-a-bar-and-a-class-how-the-coronavirus-is-spread-through-the-air.html
Socialising within homes is still suspended for now
Yes, found the guidance later... ah well, maybe someday I’ll be able to meet another actual live living person that I might actually know/be related to. Someday...
Sunday?
Sunday
That directed at me?
If so You’ve obviously seen my IG feed then...
Soy un (shiney) peregrino... 😍
So apparently Nicola asked during her press conference that folk not travel outwith their local area and exercise by taken locally. What a shit show. Publish one thing (after approval at Parliament) and then come out with conflicting guidance the very same day. Being just a tiny wee bit more competent than Boris Johnson shouldn't be her goal.
Soy un (shiney) peregrino…
Everyone has a story. What's yours?
Everyone has a story. What’s yours?
Mebbies I’ll tell you Sunday...
Publish one thing (after approval at Parliament) and then come out with conflicting guidance the very same day.
It does seem someone didn't think that through, at all.
So apparently Nicola asked during her press conference that folk not travel outwith their local area and exercise by taken locally. What a shit show.
Is that not just a level 3 restriction?
Based that on this: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/29/scotland-braces-tighter-covid-restrictions-5-level-system
Those living in level 3 areas are advised not to travel beyond their local authority area, unless they have to do so for essential reasons including for work, education, healthcare or caring responsibilities. This represents a major reduction in permitted travel for residents, who are currently allowed to move freely within their much larger health board areas.
The current info on the Scottish Government website indicates travel for outdoor exercise is fine. I am confused and feeling slightly conflicted 😐
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Is it not just that the more often you travel and the more widely you travel the more likely you are to spread the virus. So while travel from one low prevalence area to another low prevalence area for exercise or health whilst acceptable is not advisable
Thats exactly it. You may but we prefer you do not
travel from one low prevalence area to another low prevalence area for exercise or health whilst acceptable is not advisable
Levels 3 and 4 are "low prevalence".
It’s not that simple though. I live in a high tier area, South Lanarkshire, and would ideally drive half an hour to the trails at Mugdock, which are in Greater Glasgow and Clyde, also a high tier area.
The current documents say that is ok. Nicola however said today I should stay in South Lanarkshire only. Last week however she said Lanarkshire Health Board, which is much larger, as it includes North Lanarkshire.
Clear as mud and very open to misinterpretation IMO.
Iain, mugdock visitor centre is in stirling, forth valley health board. As is most of mugdock!
Though mixing up the local authorities and health boards is somewhat confusing.
Strictly speaking, until Monday, no one from Glasgow, or milngavie close by for that matter should be riding in mugdock.
:-/
Just go, but don't lick any Weegies.
Or the milngavie Waitrose yummy mummys.
Nicola however said today I should stay in South Lanarkshire only
And she also said that travelling for outdoor exercise was allowed
lovewookie, I stand corrected on local authorities, I had assumed it was in GGC given that all the west end weegies are riding there as normal 😁.
Your point about the change on Monday is quite right, though hard to see what allows the change, and apparent relaxation.
Bob, yes, confusing isn’t it !
I'm torn between disappointment that Stirling is in Tier 3 despite pretty low rate of 70/100000 and happiness that actually council area is pretty huge and contains loads of biking, boating and climbing opportunities.
Also noted that Nicola actually said "Travel for outdoor exercise is allowed locally" but this is not written anywhere so don't really know what to think.
lovewookie, I stand corrected on local authorities, I had assumed it was in GGC given that all the west end weegies are riding there as normal 😁.
Yeah, absolutely.
I've been riding there, my normal loop through the park via strathblane. I figured there would be bleed through, given its the local spot. Thought most folk would revert back to the 'stay local' guides and not really think about absolute borders.
Wife and I were just talking, if we are able to travel to like tiers, we could take a trip to arran, or north Berwick,or a tour of the Trossachs for a bit if exercise. But not out helensburgh way.
Still wouldn't feel right doing it though. :-/
Bollocks.
Booked on ferry for some Arran ridges, back tomorrow, gales forecast though so forced to cancel as we need back to get the bairn.
I shall once again veer 10 miles out of my 'ronaborder into the Galloways instead.
****in weather.
@Scotroutes my mistake there I had'nt realised that the term "low prevalence" was used in the official guidance. Broadly speaking I meant areas in tier 1 or 2. I'm told that in Highland there is a chance that visiting other folk in their homes could be allowable in roughly a fortnight, so the incentive to be cautious is obvious. It's my hope that there isn't a massive amount of folk wilfully ignoring the virus and flouting the rules. I think the vast majority,myself included are doing their best but allowing themselves a wee bit leeway from time to time.That leeway is essential for our own individual health mental and physical but it is also the problem for us all collectively it allows the virus to spread. If we can manage a bit more care and thought for a short time it could pay off. If not it's going to be a long dark winter
https://soundcloud.com/dj-dolphin-boy/deep-dark-dour-and-doomed
So, Jason Leitch on Reporting Scotland... question ‘can I drive from east Ayrshire to east Renfrewshire to play golf’.... no you may not.... not essential travel.
So that’s entirely contradictory to the published Tier 3 guidance effective from Monday...
WTF..
Yeah but golf isn't sport.
Obviously not ... 🤣
So that’s entirely contradictory to the published Tier 3 guidance effective from Monday…
And contrary to what John Swinnie said on the radio this morning. ****ing shambles.
I'm so tired of travel rules. I understand why it's there but I'm also so tired of it
Meanwhile coming to a teenager near you - Maskne.
It is a shambles, and when those representing the leadership cannae even get their guidance consistent what hope is there for there for those attempting to do the right thing...never mind those who don’t give a F..
Maskne
Indeed. I've seen it here after college days.
People moaning about this and that a shambles, tbh, you are focusing your ire on the wrong thing, most people are.
I've heard an awful lot of, admittedly anecdotal evidence, but very close to home, about test and trace. Now this isn't scientific in the slightest but.
Test and trace is an utter shambles. Take this in the context of a country like vietnam, less resources than us, bigger population. But their trace system is based on tracking up to 4 levels of contacts and isolating them all, where as here they are barely even contacting 1 level, from what I can make out, it's about 0.25 of a level of contacts they get to and even at that very delayed.. I can give some examples of that, only contacting a limited people out of a pub and testing only a few of them, only if they have symptoms, or only telling 3 random people from a game of 5s for example
The fundamental issue we face is that the systems the put in place are utterly unfit for purpose.
When the virus levels where low they should have been locking down contacts of contacts at a minimum(they utterly wasted june july august with this self present patter, they should have been proactive, 99.5% of testing wasted.) and testing everyone with even the slightest hint of a contact to an infected person, that's how you break transmission, but nup, what we got was asymptomatic people allowed to walk about society with impunity. My auld mans mate was told nah no symptoms you don't need to test... his missus died last week.
So I don't buy all this blaming individuals patter, it's an utter failure of governmental strategy if you ask me, and the blame game deflects from that.
UK strategy in particular, because Scotland can only deviate so far from that due to funding.
Lockdowns or closing parts or your society aren't necessary, it's just a symptom of a fundamental failure of systems put in place by government.
So excuse me If I go for a hill walk or cycle while sauchiehall street is rammed.
...
Ah well, just don’t stop over in a Bothy on yer walk then... 😀
Lockdown was essential and if done earlier and harder would have saved lives. Even if tracking worked well it would be overwhelmed without strong measures to restrict transmission
Probably pays to remember Vietnam is a communist country still.
I concur.
Though I do think ScotGov could have taken it further without playing the no funding/indy card.
Do your best, but don't be a slave to it cos at the end of the day you're just you. Your impact is smaller than you think (as with all things in life)
probably pays to remember the uk is run by fng idiots.
I'm not denying any need to be careful right now, everyone should be very careful.
Lets just not play this divide and deflect game they want you to play.
Take this in the context of a country like vietnam,
A lot of the countries that have got a handle on this are countries that got a proper fright with SARS-1 or some other disease. They had experience, knew what to do and crucially took it seriously from the start because decisive action early on is how you deal with this stuff. We were complacent because pandemics are something that happen elsewhere right?
Edit: and because the populations of those countries had seen the effects of past outbreaks they were also more likely to be compliant.
Other countries seem to have more of a collective spirit/society - forced on them in some countries admittedly - than us. We’re a bunch of selfish ****ers, generally.
Noticed a couple of hotels on Arran faceboak feeds mentioning that they're looking forward to accomodating folk from North Ayrshire only, not south or east which collectively make up the actual Ayrshire n Arran health board.
Mentioned on one hotels sure that it's following goverement guidance out yesterday, I was out all day, did I miss this?
Looks to me like all this Scottish tiers thing is about to made irrelevant - if England goes into a national lockdown (assuming financial support from Treasury) then Scotland will most likely follow suit?
I don't think so, certainly going by Linda Baulds comments.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54760388
Just on BBC that Nicola has said only essential travel from Scotland to England 😱
Should've happened before summer.
Just on BBC that Nicola has said only essential travel from Scotland to England 😱
I wonder if that'll be yet more advice or actually backed up with laws?
I'd guess advice. Was tweeted just over and hour ago in a series of tweets from her.
Suspect Scotland will follow what England does if there is a lockdown. Scottish Government have throughout the pandemic been tighter than England.
I disagree, read what Bauld says in that article, particularly regarding most of England in tier 1.
We should stick to our plan, not react to another countries IMO.
I read that earlier, I guess we’ll see how it pans out over the next few days. The vagueness over ‘essential travel’ continues to make it all a bit of a piss take though.
If some sort of furlough/financial support is only made available in conjunction with a Lockdown then Scotlsnd will likely move to Level 4.
So, more bluster, can't really see any of that drivel affecting our governments thinking.
Furlough was extended so nippy will lock down.
She has previously said she would if Westminster made funding availible.
It might. If UK Govt furlough funds are only available to areas in a matching lockdown then ScotGov will come under pressure to put all/more areas into Level 4.
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1322618517171089408?s=20
I missed the whole furlough chat, gave up, is it being extended then?.
Is the travel a two way thing?
Nobeerinthefridge
Free Member
I missed the whole furlough chat, gave up, is it being extended then?.
Till the beginning of december, I'd guess probably extended into january too, but I'm speculating there.
I think sturgeon will shift everyone into level 4 if the answer to her question is no.
The non entity that is Willie Rennie is chuntering about education staying open no matter. What Willie? The education that's staying open is that the education you want to stay open.