Donald! Trump!

Point proven (? 😉 )

let me guess - THM making snide remarks about me again?

Si solum

Eh?

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Nope.

tjagain - Member

let me guess - THM making snide remarks about me again?

Why ask the question? If you are interested in knowing then remove the block. It's like holding your hands over your eyes and peering between your fingers.

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mikewsmith - Member
No bad thing tbh.
let him get on with it for a while, then we'll guage where he is..

The one thing he can't be allowed to get away with is the normalisation of lies. If it's not true call it. So I guess we wait until he opens his mouth again

Not talking about normalisation, just quieting the noise down a bit so we can get a real sense of what he as actually all about. Give him enough rope.

It'll happen regardless, news runs in cycles, like I say people will get bored jumping on everything all the time.

good point Ernie. It was a rhetorical question really I guess - it just amuses me how often I see

thm said something stupid

Oh and there's the comedy

Shame it will be a week before we see it again

people will get bored jumping on everything all the time

Are you new around here? 😀

To be honest TJ, THM often says things that I find disagreeable or think are utterly wrong on every level but they are rarely "stupid".

Maybe save the filter for the real drivel and read the rest. You don't have to respond but you will at least be exposed to a different point of view.

You have to be able to handle different views and facts though, Shackleton !

(But thx!)

Yours

Stupid HM

Anyway we should concentrate on the proper topic - Trump

seosamh77 - Member

Give him enough rope.

What's that suppose to mean? You are waiting for Donald Trump to make some really outrageous comment?

I agree with mikewsmith, "he can't be allowed to get away with the normalisation of lies". It would be extremely dangerous if he was allowed to do so. Every bigoted and/or false statement Trump makes should be challenged. Giving up would play right into his hands.

Which is probably why he is so prolific with his lying, he's hoping that the sheer multitude of lies will create fatigue and people will eventually give up. The final triumph of lies over truth.

Why? Is the constant whining doing anything to trump? Is it hell, apart from in the echo chamber of the largely irrelevant "left".

It's the old adage, don't interrupt your enemy while they are making mistakes. (which really doesn't mean help trump create the noise he wants around his presidency.)

But you batter in sticking it to him...

It's a fantastic conundrum IMO - how do you tackle post truth

It's a dangerous trend, excused by a shallow idea, but one that few politicians have answers to.....

if trump is going to go before his time is up in 4 years it'll happen because his support turns on him. The siege mentality isn't conducive to allowing that. Allow him to get comfortable.

I agree Joe. Ironically and sadly for them, this will take some time and by then it will be too late. The damage will have been done.

Still it's their choice..,

trump isn't really the concern, legally fight him in the courts if you don't like legislation. the media game is trumps game.

The left, and the centre for that matter, should only have one purpose. Winning the next election. For that to happen, the need to start improving their only policies, and frankly stop ****ing greeting all the time and start picking holes in their own side and fixing them..

btw you tackle post truth.... with truth. and trust. trust the the people aren't stupid, cause they aren't they seen through hilary sure enough. With brexit, it was plainly obvious even the pro euro camp have their doubts. There was a lack of a clear believable vision.

And I end up back at that vacuum i'm always talking about.. that's the real issue here.

I'm fairly certain that the "constant whining", as you call it, isn't restricted to the largely irrelevant "left".

Trump is facing monumental opposition and criticism, not just within the US but globally.

I don't think it's doing him much good. And I'm sure he would much rather that it all went away.

But can you expand on your alternative strategy of "giving him enough rope"? If everyone goes quiet he's going to hang himself without doing any damage?

strategy is simple, he'll easily make himself unelectable. Aim for the next election. don't pin your hopes on impeachment and mike ****ing pence.

Come up with some viable believable original ideas that will actually get people behind you.

Start fighting which ever election now.

You do, but that isn't scoring at the moment

Snake oil is "trumping" truth - perhaps this is just a short period of protest/gesture politics - but I fear it's more sustained

The consequences are very disturbing (with your lovely country very exposed ! )

Rubs eyes and questions whether I'm in a parallel universe.

I thought this thread was about Donald Trump. Appears to be a thread to point fingers at others and post increasingly irrelevant comments.

In that case it's a typical STW thread.......

As for Trump - check out the stats about how much of the time he has spent at Mar-A-Logo has been dedicated to golf and then compare/contrast with his tweets about the time Obama spent playing golf.
Would be surprised of he lasted 2 years in post; time to call William Hill and check the odds.

It's only not working cause political debate has been whittled down to a pantomime.

seosamh77 - Member

strategy is simple, he'll easily make himself unelectable.

Ah yes, I hadn't realised that this was still a strategy.

So let him sow hatred, discord, fear, bigotry, no one will vote for him. Well not enough to win an election anyway.

I liked the way you used the word "easily" btw, I find that most reassuring.

So what's your strategy?

[quote=seosamh77 ]btw you tackle post truth.... with truth. and trust. trust the the people aren't stupid, cause they aren't they seen through hilary sure enough.

They don't appear to have seen through Donny though, and they continue to fail to do that - it may just be that it's the core support, but it seems people will support him whatever he does. Just because he's "not part of the establishment"? He's done an incredible job of convincing people that anything negative is "fake news".

There is a bit of a dilemma as far as that support is concerned because he's still busy framing things like judges knocking down his decisions in a way which appears to simply be bolstering it.

I suppose the question is whether you just want rid of him in 4 years, you'd like him to lose the house next year, or you'd prefer he walked away sooner. Personally I reckon the most important thing is next year's elections as it appears the first real chance of stopping all the horrible stuff there appears plenty of enthusiasm for from Republicans - Pence might be less of a train crash, but he's not about to reverse the damage done by Donny.

[quote=tjagain ]good point Ernie. It was a rhetorical question really I guess - it just amuses me how often I see

thm said something stupid

Donny is the populist that people went to not because they believe him, but because the didn't believe a word the other side said. It was a collective a **** it, might aswell. Ditto Brexit.

You need to turn that collective **** it, into a collective, you know what they might have something there.

But nup trump is supposedly hilter... 🙄 top strategy..

seosamh77 - Member

So what's your strategy?

Well I said that I agree with mikewsmith, "he can't be allowed to get away with the normalisation of lies". It would be extremely dangerous if he was allowed to do so. Every bigoted and/or false statement Trump makes should be challenged. Giving up would play right into his hands.

In fact I thought it was precisely that strategy which you were opposing. Why were you disagreeing with me if you didn't know what I was saying?

Ditto.......don't stop there Joe

Remember there are some snake oil salesman suggesting ah **** it, being controlled by Frankfurt is better than Westminser and otherwise intelligent people are giving credence to the idea.

It's a global problem we are dealing with....

Our very own ernie is the perfect example here btw, if we gave him a europe he could have believed in and not one geared towards corporatism, we wouldn't be facing this nonsense. instead the idea of we'll take our chances in the abyss of toryville appealed to him. how messed up is that.

The rest of us largely voted in what we believed was the lesser or 2 evils. Again no vision.

ernie_lynch - Member
seosamh77 - Member
So what's your strategy?

Well I said that I agree with mikewsmith, "he can't be allowed to get away with the normalisation of lies". It would be extremely dangerous if he was allowed to do so. Every bigoted and/or false statement Trump makes should be challenged. Giving up would play right into his hands.

In fact I thought it was precisely that strategy which you were opposing. Why were you disagreeing with me if you didn't know what I was saying?

This is the kinda nonsense that pervades every level our politics.

Arguing for the sake of arguing. gies peace.

teamhurtmore - Member
Ditto.......don't stop there Joe

Remember there are some snake oil salesman suggesting ah **** it, being controlled by Frankfurt is better than Westminser and otherwise intelligent people are giving credence to the idea.

It's a global problem we are dealing with....

Canny help yourself can ye? 😆

You've still to present even a tenth of a viable case for the union in the wake of brexit too. So look to your own snake oil.

seosamh77 - Member

Arguing for the sake of arguing.

Yes [i]"every bigoted and/or false statement Trump makes should be challenged"[/i] is about arguing for the sake of arguing.

I think we best leave it there as I suspect that you are now just arguing for the sake of arguing.

What it is is a spectacularly shit strategy.

So it's a shit strategy [i]and[/i] you don't agree with it. I think that wraps up everything nicely.

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Can we argue about the arguing for the sake of arguing?

Why would Ernie be placed to give the US something better to believe in. That's the job of the democrats, until they come up with something yer ****ed. Unless the orange honey monster does something that gets him impeached, just gets bored, turfed out by GOP, or maybe does a mega flounce.

Ernies not the messiah, he's a very argumentative boy!

Why would Ernie be placed to give the US something better to believe in. That's the job of the democrats, until they come up with something yer ****

It's also a point for a lot of democratic countries to decide if they think the Trump approach of division and lies is their future too.

There was a recent poll where the numbers believing Trump over the msm was falling. The lies are getting found out and now a few more people are thinking twice when he says something.

Problem being its not just the US.

Clearly, but that wasn't what I was responding to.

piemonster - Member

Why would Ernie be placed to give the US something better to believe in.

Thank you for considering whether I am well placed to provide leadership to the United States. However my ambitions are somewhat more modest, ie, expressing an alternative opinion to Trump's bigotry and lies.

It's a strategy that is widely supported by people not just in the US but across the globe.

seosamh's alternative strategy of remaining silence because it will make Trump "easily unelectable" somehow seems deeply flawed.

Well, come up with a good immigration policy and i might just vote for you.

Lazy sod.

I see Trump has made good on his promise to protect LGBTQ rights... by revoking the law requiring schools to let transgender kids choose the appropriate toilet.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN161243

It's not just Dems, now Gop senator wants to subpoena his tax returns to investigate Russian links

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/02/22/gop_senator_collins_open_to_subpoenaing_trump_s_tax_returns_for_russia_investigation.html

Same as Capone , in the end it'll be the accountants that see him knocked off his perch

At his latest Nuremberg Rally, Trump once again was spouting on about 'making America great again'. This seems to involve:

1) S**ting on the Mexicans
2) S**ting on Muslims
3) S**ting on the climate
4) S**ting on the media
5) S**ting on the judicial System
6) S**ting on anyone with any moral decency

No doubt he's also going to S**T on several other things i've forgotten to mention as well.

The crowd was even chanting "USA" "USA" "USA" during his speech.

Here's a pic taken during todays rally:

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That's a lot of sitting

The mural is really quite lifelike - not a bad stunt for the....

Can we argue about the arguing for the sake of arguing?

For the nth time!

NO!

Care to back that statement up with some referenced facts before molgrips picks your view apart?

Quite funny he only talks like that in front of cheering crowd but does nothing concrete about it.

To be fair to the Nazis maxtorque Hitler didn't have that smug pursing of the mouth and those other arrogant condescending facial expressions. Therefore imo Mussolini's National Fascist Party rallies would make a better comparison. And after all Mussolini was Hitler's mentor.

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Like two peas in a pod :

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Can you imagine Hitler making similar facial expressions?

No I can't either.

Here Mussolini has just declared, "**** the Muslims, **** the Mexicans, **** the media, and **** the FBI".

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Earlier this week, Senator John McCain warned that suppression of a free press is “how dictators get started”.

Today, the White House held a 'selective' news briefing:

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-house-blocks-news-outlets-from-media-briefing-a7598641.html ]White House Blocks Media[/url]

Today, the White House held a 'selective' news briefing:

“Nothing like this has ever happened at the White House in our long history of covering multiple administrations of different parties,” Dean Baquet, executive editor of The New York Times, said in a statement.

“We strongly protest the exclusion of The New York Times and the other news organizations. Free media access to a transparent government is obviously of crucial national interest.”

I can understand the anger but no one should be surprised by this.

Donald Trump November 2015 :

[b][i]"We’re going to have to do things that we never did before, and some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule. And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy. And so we’re going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago.”[/b][/i]

Along with Muslims the media are now "the enemy of the American people".

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Just seen this post from Garmin

We’re devastated by the senseless tragedy that took the life of one of our associates and friends, Srinivas Kuchibhotla, and injured another, Alok Madasani. Our thoughts are also with Ian Grillot, deemed the “Good Samaritan” for his heroic efforts that fatal evening. Srinivas was a valued member of our engineering team and will be greatly missed. We are working closely with Srinivas's and Alok’s families and appreciate the outpouring of support for them. As we grieve this tragedy as a community, our thoughts and prayers are with all involved.

Linked to this https://thinkprogress.org/the-gun-violence-trump-wont-talk-about-fb5779da1e46#.oyezfily7

Beeb http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39072816

I guess really we should ban white Americans from entering the UK. Sad.

So the best way to combat leaks from your staff who disagree with you is to ban more media? More leaks coming I think. Hopefully the rest of the media will stand tall and walk out the next time that game is played.

Nice trolling at his rally - opponents handing out russian flags with Trump on them that the crowd were enthusiastically waving.

Utterly staggering that the President of the USA is calling the New York Times and national networks 'fake news'. (Check out a few Breitbart headlines for comparison.)
I'd urge you to subscribe to the NYT - it's not expensive and will help support a free press.

“We must challenge this statement and this sentiment that the news media is the enemy of the American people,”

This sentiment may be the greatest threat to democracy in my lifetime.”

Not from a lefty snowflake crying into his quinoa

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2017/02/23/greatest-threat-to-democracy-commander-of-bin-laden-raid-slams-trumps-anti-media-sentiment/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.5088ac3bb5ca

Private off camera press briefing, why give privileged access to those who have constantly sought to undermine you ? Attending/invited included the following NBC, ABC, CBS. Fox. Ample number of news organisations.

Private off camera press briefing, why give privileged access to those who have constantly sought to undermine you ? Attending/invited included the following NBC, ABC, CBS. Fox. Ample number of news organisations.

Truly outstanding defence of trump Jamba, here.....have a lollipop to fill the void between your ears

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Breaking news........."jambalaya defends President Trump's attacks on the media as the enemy of the American people".

More shocking news to follow.

any comments on the wall Jamba ?

How long can this goes on ?

this is not the 1930 , not a lot can be hidden from the media and public .

they look more foolish everyday .

Surely tho pissing off the press will backfire?

The news outlets blocked from the press briefing include organisations who President Trump has criticised by name. CNN, BBC, The New York Times, LA Times, New York Daily News, BuzzFeed, The Hill, and the Daily Mail, were among the news outlets barred from the gathering.

FFS the DM is either too factual for him or too left wing I do not know which is the most preposterous or most deluded

Pissing of Navy Seals isn't wise either.

why give privileged access to those who have constantly sought to undermine you ?

Definitely what you would say were it Corbyn doing this [ especially if he banned the Jewish ones] for you are a man of principle.

Junky well if it's good enough for Alex Salmond to chose which media he allows into his Indy Ref loss/resignation press conference why on earth not The Donald ?

[url= http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/telegraph-mail-and-express-journalists-barred-alex-salmonds-resignation-press-conference/ ]Salmond bans Telegragph, Express and Daily Mail[/url]

I don't get your point jambalaya.

Are you saying that you admire and respect Alex Salmond/the SNP?

Or are you saying that you would be perfectly happy if Jeremy Corbyn banned reporters from the Jewish Gazette, for example, from Labour press conferences?

I'm assuming it's got to be one or the other.

The only third option I can think of is that you can't justify it all so you have had to resort to [i]"what about so and so, he did ....blah,blah,blah?"[/i]

And I can't imagine that.

The only third option I can think of is that you can't justify it all so you have had to resort to "what about so and so, he did ....blah,blah,blah?"

There are circumstances where banning media is justified ie Liverpool banning The Sun newspaper. However, asking tough questions is not a valid reason and only proves you have something to hide or something where your reasons haven't been properly justified.

The Daily Mail has gone up in my estimation. I never thought that would happen.

Don't get ahead of yourself. I'm guessing the Mail is involved only for printing 'fake news' (lawsuit pending) about Melania Trump working as an escort not because of any hard-hitting stance against fascism.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-39086053 ]"We're building the wall," he said. "In fact it's going to start very soon. Way ahead of schedule. It's way, way, way ahead of schedule."[/url]
The Doughnut has spoken. 🙄

The Daily Mail has gone up in my estimation

Be difficult for it to get lower

Apparently we can't now go to Paris, why? Because? well, err, Jim. y'know? Jim he err said...well He's a substantial guy Jim, and he...well, here read for yourself.

[url= https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/02/24/trump-trashed-paris-in-his-cpac-speech-the-citys-mayor-fired-back/?utm_term=.9d736b218d27 ]Paris, it's just not safe, says Jim[/url]

Junky well if it's good enough for Alex Salmond to chose which media he allows into his Indy Ref loss/resignation press conference why on earth not The Donald

Anyway address the issue can corbyn ban Jews from his conferences and will you agree with this decision as its up to him?
Its not a hard question - tbh it was rhetorical as we all know what you would say. None of us really needed another example of your breathtaking hypocrisy but thanks again for yet another nail in the coffin of your threadbare credibility on the fanciful notion that you are a person of principle.