Tom called Ernie a bigot. I stated that IMO and from what I read on here he is not. Ninfan used weasel words to make the claim he was a bigot without actually saying so.
This is so like being back at school and the "he said, she said" shenanigans.
Has the original argument run out of steam then? 😛
Alternative facts Jaimie.
Please keep up.
Has the original argument run out of steam then?
Just the usual sidestep song and dance when the issues get a bit hard to defend...
Does anyone know what the actual process for impeachment is? I know they can do it for pretty much anything if they choose to do so but not sure what the actual step by step details are.
From wiki
The federal procedure in the United States involves a vote for impeachment in the House of Representatives on a document known as the Article of Impeachment. Each separate grounds will be a separate Article. House members who support the impeachment then appoint managers who will act like prosecutors in the preparation for the Senate hearing. The hearing for removal is conducted in the Senate and in the case of the impeachment of a President, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States presides over the proceedings (otherwise the Vice-president presides) which are conducted as a trial with witnesses being heard under oath or affirmation. The defendant has the right to legal counsel, the right to cross-examine all witnesses and to testify in his defense. The senators must also take an oath or affirmation that they will perform their duties honestly and with due diligence. The Hearing cannot be conducted without a 50% plus one quorum. After the Hearing the deliberations are held in private. Removal requires a two-thirds majority of the Senate.
Uncle slick looks like he's gotten perma-lost fumbling in the ladies room for grabees. Now gave some kind of strange auto-wedding/self-awards/who-really-knows type after-dinner-speech. Is it just me or is the whole thing surreal beyond any US presidency to date?
Edit: 11:46-ish he tells us he's going to 'straighten out the World'. And it's 'not going to be pretty for a while'.
The top comment from that Youtube link.
God bless our great President who loves America so much. The Lord's hand is on his shoulder as he steers the ship of state into safer waters. We need his super human strength in this troubling time.?
Somebody just went full Trump.
Never go full Trump.
"Uncle slick looks like he's gotten perma-lost fumbling in the ladies room for grabees. Now gave some kind of strange auto-wedding/self-awards/who-really-knows type after-dinner-speech. Is it just me or is the whole thing surreal beyond any US presidency to date?"
It's going to be 4 years of circus, no doubt about that.
Mark my words - every joke that anyone has ever made at Trump's expense has been logged in his mental ledger. Stored up in his giant camel-hump of schoolboy grudges. This narcissistic babyman will now 'get his own back' and go to war against the World, starting with the Holy Tinderbox that is the Middle East. The traditional playground of US Presidents.
it weird he wants to be isolationist and sort out the world as well
I think the problem is Trump is a bully who wants things his way he fails to realise so do other countries -ironically he will fall out with folk who are only doing what he would do were the situation reversed
He also fails to realise that countries wont act like businesses as they are often as full of hubris and pride as he is and wont be swayed by money like he is.
As for the middle east after we tried the majestic tony blair as a peace envoy then i can think of no one more qualified to bring peace to the region than Trump and his "diplomatic" team
There was an interview with Richard Branson where he talked about a meeting that he'd had with Donald Trump: much of the meeting was taken up with Trump ranting about how he'd "deal with" other business leaders who'd backed out of dealing with him.
Regardless of whether you agree with his policies or not, Trump's character is ill suited to the nuances of politics: he's a thin skinned, grudge bearing, bully.
Bowling Green Massacre?????
You know like getting your briefing notes straight from the Internet
Whitestone, I remember reading that before the election.
[url= https://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/meeting-donald-trump ]Meeting Donald Trump[/url]
Some years ago, Mr Trump invited me to lunch for a one-to-one meeting at his apartment in Manhattan. We had not met before and I accepted. Even before the starters arrived he began telling me about how he had asked a number of people for help after his latest bankruptcy and how five of them were unwilling to help. He told me he was going to spend the rest of his life destroying these five people.He didn’t speak about anything else and I found it very bizarre. I told him I didn’t think it was the best way of spending his life. I said it was going to eat him up, and do more damage to him than them. There must be more constructive ways to spend the rest of your life. (Hopefully my advice didn’t lead to him running for President!)
I was baffled why he had invited me to lunch solely to tell me this. For a moment, I even wondered if he was going to ask me for financial help. If he had, I would have become the sixth person on his list!
I left the lunch feeling disturbed and saddened by what I’d heard. There are a lot of frightening things about this election; not least that policy has been pushed so far down the agenda. What concerns me most, based upon my personal experiences with Donald Trump, is his vindictive streak, which could be so dangerous if he got into the White House. For somebody who is running to be the leader of the free world to be so wrapped up in himself, rather than concerned with global issues, is very worrying.
Bowling Green Massacre?
It's alternative facts...sitting comfortably? Then I'll begin. In an interview recently whilst defending Trumps "Non-Islamic" travel ban, Kellyanne Conway referred to Obama's 2011 order to pause immigration from Iraq as two Iraqi men had been arrested in Bowling Green, Kentucky plotting to send money to Al-Queda in Iraq. Now, Conway suggested that there had been a "Massacre" in Bowling Green that hadn't been reported... In reality there had been no such massacre, and it was made up, the two had just been arrested for trying to send money and weaponry, and in fact no charges to date have been bought (needs verification)
More fake news.
sitting comfortably?
[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/donald-trump/page/170#post-8263389 ]I was 2 hours ago ;)[/url]
Regardless of whether you agree with his policies or not, Trump's character is ill suited to the nuances of politics: he's a thin skinned, grudge bearing, bully.
Yes, if only allegations of this nature had been known about [i]before[/i] the election, so that the American people could pass their own opinion of the issue and upon his suitability for office?
Oh....
@THM/OOB, I think this could be a new pastime, Insulting people without saying anything insulting. It could potentially improve relations between everyone here exponentially.
so that the American people could pass their own opinion of the issue and upon his suitability for office?
Opinion vs fact again Ninfan, just because less people voted for him doesn't make him the right man for the job. Every country gets it's mistakes Bush, Blair, Hitler, Putin
Oh...... shit Kellyan. Just got busted for telling huge porkies to justify his idiot policy.
don't tease pigface is there a video?
Ah, so you think that the American people voted Trump in (via the established system that the Americans have been using for decades) because they thought Hillary would make a better president, I think I'm beginning to understand 'down under' logic now.
er no I'm just twisting your melon man....
Anyway how does the FSB pay it's trolls?
People have opinions, it does not make Trump what he is not - you know a twitter ranting, thin skinned narcissist.
People have opinions, it does not make Trump what he is not - you know a twitter ranting, thin skinned narcissist.
Again, if only the American people had been aware of that before the election, in order to pass their own opinion upon his suitability for office?
Oh...
So, essentially the only problem is that she used the word massacre instead of plot
Of course, If they hadn't busted the plot, what would there have been?
You are an idiot, plot Massacre meh what's the difference?
ah once again for the hard of trolling...
They can have their opinion, we all understand they have elected a racist egotist who's every decision is there to line his own pockets.
We can however make some assessment as to the individual's suitability to hold office. Remember his doc who wrote his medical assessment in under 5mins as a bit of a joke cause they were paying him?
Do you fire off on twitter is somebody says something true about you?
Complain that people are not being all happy to see you?
Get all nasty when journalists want to ask actual questions rather than take notes?
You are becoming tiresome, ninfan.
We know all that - including the fact that he only got in because of the peculiar nature of the American Electoral College system having lost the popular vote by a significant margin.
I do wish you'd stop banging on about it like some sort of 15-year-old-Kevin.
Deal with the discussion.
He is clearly mentally unsuited to the task, being a sufferer of a severe Personality Disorder and this does not bode well for any of us, right/left/independent or otherwise.
Comment on that, please.
So, essentially the only problem is that she used the word massacre instead of plot
y'know, you used to actually have some points worthy of debate and comment, and I know that you like to think of yourself as a bit of grit in the oyster of the group think you think exists on here, but that really is about as dumb a thing as Chewkw would say.
For Shame
He is clearly mentally unsuited to the task, being a sufferer of a severe Personality Disorder and this does not bode well for any of us, right/left/independent or otherwise.Comment on that, please.
Yes, something you have all been banging on about since pretty much the day his candidacy was announced - with significant press coverage - giving the American people more than ample opportunity to weigh up the allegations and criticisms of his personality before passing their own opinion upon his suitability for office.
And, my dahling little snowflakes, what did the American people decide?
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[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kellyanne-conway-creates-fake-bowling-green-massacre-story-a7560526.html ]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kellyanne-conway-creates-fake-bowling-green-massacre-story-a7560526.html[/url]
Hey ninfan read this it may help you, also would you be happy to receive a dictionary as you seem to have problems with the definition of words.
If only the German people had been aware of the nature of who they were voting for in the 1930s...
And, my dahling little snowflakes, what did the American people decide?
Yeah he said snowflake, I call next post has virtue signalling...
What we know is how people voted - overall it was won by a little over 100,000 votes - mostly in places that will never see another job created.
Anyway that isn't the point - do you think he has the right attributes to be president? Control nuclear weapons? Make the right call?
And, my dahling little snowflakes, what did the American people decide?
right, so I suspect you probably agree and think that he's a nut-bag as well, and just can't bring yourself to admit it.
Cognitive dissonance...one of the personality disorders...jus' sayin'
Whats the Ruble per post rate?
http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=RUB&To=GBP
What a surprise, more #fakenews from Trump's team that claims the liberal MSM covered something up which didn't actually happen. 🙄
@ninfan - would you care to elaborate on Trump's comments about the TV ratings of the US version of The Apprentice? Why would he say something like that? There's no need to mention it unless of course you wish to belittle someone. (I thought Arnie's response was very good BTW).
You might want to [url= http://www.vulture.com/2017/01/celebrity-apprentice-ratings-were-down-for-years.html ]read this[/url] (and understand what is being said).
It's just occurred to me. "Malignant Narcissism" isn't the only type of personality disorder on display.
There's also the Obsessive Compulsive variation, more locally.
I think it's time to just let the Trump Horror Show play itself out and hope that we survive it.
And for those reasons, etc...
The thing about the Bowling Green Massacre is that it's another pointless lie- ie's untruth as a first resort, for no reason, and with no chance of not being found out but they do it anyway because they've got no understanding that lying is wrong. The clincher is "you won't have heard about it because it didn't get covered". So again it's not so much about the one lie, it's about what it tells you about the entire shitshow, you wouldn't lend these people your lawnmower. And trumpets lap it up.
Good one from twitter though- "Finding these Bowling Green Massacre jokes to be a little too soon. Out of respect, we should wait until it takes place."
I think it's time to just let the Trump Horror Show play itself out and hope that we survive it.
I disagree. As Trump just stated at the 'National Prayer Breakfast' - it's Trump (USA) vs The World. The World now has a common enemy. Time to mobilise for peace. He needs to be out of the running. Sitting back and watching him further destabilise and dismantle international affairs and relations while simultaneously bombing people is the worst thing any of us can do.
If anything it might make the rest of the world closer. Apart from Russia who must still roll around on the floor laughing.
Narcissim, pah....his really problem is the lack of a decent tailor. All of his clothes fit like a sack of potatoes and his ties are nasty - I hope he stays well away from naked flames.
with no chance of not being found out but they do it anyway because they've got no understanding that lying is wrong.
Plus they know that the Trump supporters share their views that the "Liberal Media" (ie anyone who disagrees with their world view) are the actual enemy rather than the normal social ills of unemployment or racism, or environmental damage and so on. They know that they can create their own stories that will be believed, and that the destruction of the media that questions them is only the fist step in their creation of what they see as a "better world"
tbh ome are so deluded/dense/intransient they will think its a liberal MSM conspiracy that they are not reporting what REALLY happened- which is the fake bit.
Its a clever strategy IMHO as whatever happens their supporters will blame someone else and some will be duped by it
Those who can see through it were never his supporters anyway
Its very strange to see news bereft of facts though perhaps it was inevitable after the bias of Fox breitbart etc distortion inevitably leads to just making it up?
Anyway that isn't the point - do you think he has the right attributes to be president? Control nuclear weapons? Make the right call?
right, so I suspect you probably agree and think that he's a nut-bag as well, and just can't bring yourself to admit it.
Cognitive dissonance...one of the personality disorders...jus' sayin'
No, what you don't seem to get is that I don't think that [b]any[/b] of us has an ability to judge Trump from what we know about him, because all we know about him is fed through the lens of a partial media and commentariat, be that pro or anti-Trump.
@ninfan - would you care to elaborate on Trump's comments about the TV ratings of the US version of The Apprentice? Why would he say something like that? There's no need to mention it unless of course you wish to belittle someone. (I thought Arnie's response was very good BTW).
Trump was doing what he does perfectly, successfully dominating the news cycle... and look, it worked. As for Arnie, Do you really think having an immigrant actor criticising him plays in any way badly for Trump with his key demographic?
Its very strange to see news bereft of facts though perhaps it was inevitable after the bias of Fox breitbart etc distortion inevitably leads to just making it up?
It was the lefties who invented the fake news tag as an attack line, it really blew up in their face though didn't it?
No, what you don't seem to get is that I don't think that any of us has an ability to judge Trump from what we know about him, because all we know about him is fed through the lens of a partial media and commentariat, be that pro or anti-Trump.
Given you have the ability to judge Obama and Clinton along with various others why can we not judge Trump? Is he to precious to judge?
Trump was doing what he does perfectly, successfully dominating the news cycle
Lies lies and lies - all he is doing
Arnie, Do you really think having an immigrant actor criticising him plays in any way badly for Trump with his key demographic?
What about an immigrant wife who's chosen cause us cyber bullying?
"Of course, If they hadn't busted the plot, what would there have been? "
Ninfan you are educated and informed you know full well there would never have been a massacre in bowling green the facts are fully reported the two were sending $ to Iraq there was never a plan to cause terror in USA.
and stop saying the American people chose trump you know they didn't the Electoral College which gives votes to geography not people elected Trump . The American people voted for Hilary.
And, my dahling little snowflakes, what did the American people decide?
Hillary Clinton.
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I don't think that any of us has an ability to judge Trump from what we know about him, because all we know about him is fed through the lens of a partial media and commentariat
That's not in the least bit true.
Firstly he has signed executive orders. The content of these tells us something about him and also the fact that he used them so much tells us something else.
But mostly the fact that he is active on Twitter and has been for a long time. This is his personal output direct from his fingers. And there's a lot of it.
[i]After yet another disaster in the Mediterranean, it's clear that this is a huge problem, and one that seems to be getting worse by the day. Is it a problem for the EU? Is it a problem for the UK? or is it a problem for the UN?
Tales of smugglers sending rickety boats out with only sufficient fuel to get half-way across the Med and a piece of paper with the phone number of the Italian coastguard abound. Tales of Christian refugees being murdered by Muslims, of people being locked in holds and left to drown, and numerous other horrors abound. This isn’t going to go away. Everyone in the media except Katie Hopkins says that ‘a political solution is needed’ but none of them seem to know what that solution might look like.
As usual, someone is making money on the backs of human suffering, and others are picking up the costs in more than one way.
it's also clear that within this influx there are both economic migrants (some would say looking for a better life, others would say for the promised land of free money) and genuine refugees (which international law gives a duty to protect)
In the short term then, should we accept all these poor people and put them in refugee camps somewhere in Europe, which will mean in reality that they will never go back to their own Countries of origin? or should we just pick them up, and dump them back on a deserted beach somewhere in North Africa?
In the longer term, how do we discourage a constant tide of economic migrants if they see their compatriots being looked after in Europe? The numbers appears to be growing, and who can blame them, when the places they are leaving - Syria, Somalia, Libya - are such complete holes.
I'm sure there are valid arguments about this being the inevitable effect of our intervention in Libya, however we are where we are and cannot change that, so - where do we go from here?
Oh, and here's hoping that we can discuss a serious topic without hysteria... [/i]
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Your words above @Nifan[/b]. Who'd have thought someone who supports Trump, Brexit and trolls on here to wind people up would have written the above. Especially the last sentence. Wonder what happened to you?
And, my dahling little snowflakes, what did the American people decide?
What does that tell us?
What does that tell us?
ninfan has run out of ideas?
the facts are fully reported the two were sending $ to Iraq
They were done for loading weapons & explosives indices hidden compartments in trucks!
The American people voted for Hillary
Not under the US electoral system they didn't - you know, the same one that Obama got elected under.
Especially the last sentence. Wonder what happened to you?
If anyone on here wants to get around to discussing Trump without resorting to Hysteria I'd be glad to - here's hoping, eh 😉
FFS make your mind upNo, what you don't seem to get is that I don't think that any of us has an ability to judge Trump from what we know about him
Either the american public knew what he was like and voted for him or no one really knows what he is like
It cannot be both
Decide which one you are trolling with will you rather than flip flop around to just get the attention you tragically crave - though of course i cannot judge anythign about you as i have no met you just like you cannot judge ernie...oh shit that one doe not work either
Can I call you a hypocrite yet or would that also be unfair as I have yet to have the pleasure of your company
You are bright have an opinion and argue it but dont do this as it tragic
They were done for loading weapons & explosives indices hidden compartments in trucks!
What in the place the supposed massacre was happening?
Not under the US electoral system they didn't - you know, the same one that Obama got elected under.
The one where he got more votes? The electoral system was what happened, it's not how many votes were cast.
Given the evidence that up to 10% of Trump's family had illegal or irregular votes, does that mean we need a recount... #TrumpLogic
Not under the US electoral system they didn't - you know, the same one that Obama got elected under.
Hillary Clinton got more votes than Trump. I realize that you trumpeters find facts inconvenient, but there it is.
dont feed the troll
he knows all this he does not care what he says as long as someone replies to his gibberish
Granted its sometimes interesting but he has no principle/view/agenda beyond annoy and get a reaction
If we were all right wing he would post as if he was Corbyn
If we were all right wing he would post as if he was Corbyn
hmm Jam, mmm Dianne, ooo Bike, whats that go away
(possibly a bad example)
Hillary Clinton got more votes than Trump. I realize that you trumpeters find facts inconvenient, but there it is.
Inconvenient? I find it frigging glorious!
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Inconvenient? I find it frigging glorious!
Parading your ignorance? Whatever floats your boat I guess.
Any first past the post system (as used both in the US and the UK) can be "unfair" because it's all or nothing. At the last UK general election Labour's share of the vote increased but the number of seats they held dropped. In the US Electoral College system, it's reasonably common for the losing candidate to have more votes, they just weren't cast in the right places/states.
A simplified scenario but shows what can happen: every state has 1 million voters. Every state won by Hilary Clinton is 70-30 in her favour; every state won by Donald Trump is 55-45 in his favour. Trump wins 28 states, Clinton 24. The number of votes cast for each candidate is:
Clinton: (24 * .7) + (28 * .45) = 29.4 million
Trump: (24 *.3) + (28 *.55) = 23.4 million
So even though more people voted for Clinton, under the Electoral College rules Trump wins. Of course not every state has the same population and therefore EC votes but the principle stands.
Unfortunately Trump can't stand being beaten in anything (his thin skin again) so is contesting (though we haven't heard anything about it for a while so he's probably forgotten it) the fact. So 3 million allegedly illegal votes were *all* cast for Clinton, this despite the fact that some of his own family and staff fall foul of the same alleged illegality so presumably they voted for Clinton as well?
Seriously? Can you not think of anything more satisfying?
He doesn't just get the job, but he gets it after openly & legitimately stealing it from under the noses of the Hilary Clinton supporters who all jumped up and down in various shades of purple apoplexy at the suggestion that anyone might not accept the direct outcome of the election!
Hoist on their own petard 😀
He doesn't just get the job, but he gets it after openly legitimately stealing it from under the noses of the Hilary Clinton supporters who all jumped up and down in various shades of purple apoplexy at the suggestion that anyone might not accept the direct outcome of the election!
How does that stop him being a narcissist, egomaniac, thin skinned idiot? Maybe one with such a simple understanding of the works he thinks he might be doing good?
One who denies things he has be recorded saying?
One who denies facts and closes down the legitimate output of his agencies?
[i]If anyone on here wants to get around to discussing Trump without resorting to Hysteria I'd be glad to - here's hoping, eh [/i]
You must use a different definition of the word discussion to everyone else then. Maybe English is not your first language? 😀
How does that stop him being a narcissist, egomaniac, thin skinned idiot? Maybe one with such a simple understanding of the works he thinks he might be doing good?
One who denies things he has be recorded saying?
One who denies facts and closes down the legitimate output of his agencies?
I know, and despite all this outrage, he's [u]still[/u] President 😆
And you know what... despite everything you say, and despite all the memes and jokes you make about small hands, and despite all the petitions you sign against him today... He'll still be President tomorrow as well 😆
I know, and despite all this outrage, he's still President
as suspected just a lame troll
or are you hiding your own lame racist/sexist/fascist point of view at this point?
which also asks who leaked it?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-03/trump-thanks-malcolm-turnbull-for-telling-the-truth/8240608
and why?
or are you hiding your own lame racist/sexist/fascist point of view at this point?
And, you know what? However much you point the finger at me, and call me an 'ist'
Donald Trump will [b]still[/b] be president of the most powerful nation on Earth 😀
Its absolutley, totally and utterly glorious!
Its absolutley, totally and utterly glorious!
Well if you're not a troll you need to seek medical help.
And, you know what? However much you point the finger at me, and call me an 'ist'Donald Trump will still be president of the most powerful nation on Earth
Its absolutely, totally and utterly glorious!
Ah yes, you are a complete and utter troll are you not?
So happy that the full on right wing with left wing protectionist policies who is seriously into isolationism and interfering with the world won you just need another box of kleenex. Such a contradiction, as well put as your arguments (not a compliment before you get into your rhythm)
So do you think religious organisations should fund political parties (without mentioning other people)
And you know what, [b]even[/b] if the men in white coats come and take me away and put me in the loony bin
It wont make a blind bit of difference
Because The Donald will [i]still[/i] be President
And there's nothing you can do about it 😀
but seriously how much does the FSB pay? Is it in a dead drop or just PP gift?
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If anyone on here wants to get around to discussing Trump without resorting to Hysteria I'd be glad to - here's hoping, eh
The problem with that is Trump is whipping up the hysteria himself, by his hysterical actions.
It was the lefties who invented the fake news tag as an attack line..
#alternativefacts about #fakenews?
Impressively meta, well done.
FWIW "fake news" was an apolitical term for the growing issue of websites created for the sole purpose of posting entirely fake news stories with enticing headlines so they can cash in on the ad revenue. Massive problem on Facebook in particular where you often see stories from these sites being shared and hitting the Trending section. Stuff like "Pope Francis endorses Trump", "Queens supports Brexit", "Simple cure for diabetes found" etc.
Trump either didn't understand the meaning or, more likely, has cynically twisted the meaning to be any news site that contradicts or fact-checks him.
And we're now at the wonderful post-truth stage where Trump's team are just making up thier own news, their followers are believing it and shouting down anyone that contradicts it as fake news. The irony is deafening.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_news_website
this is neither the time nor the place for actual facts
nothing to add other than
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