It seems Melania entered the country legally but then worked under a tourist visa which was illegal. But I'm sure all the trump supporters are fine with other immigrants doing that as well yes?
ninfan, the counter argument is 8 U.S.C. 1152
I believe another counter-argument is that this was also applied to US citizens (green card holders) who should be protected under the First Amendment's right to religious expression.
ernie_lynch - MemberWell he reels them in every day.
So if he is indeed a fourteen year old with limited emotional intelligence then what does it say about his catches?
A level of attention you can only dream about, eh?
It seems Melania entered the country legally but then worked under a tourist visa which was illegal.
I believe Donald operates a points-based system in these situations - if you're an eight or above, that's fine with him.
The Donald has said that he's fast-processing Christians from the middle east who are fleeing terrorism. Which is nice that he's concerned about the safety of persecuted religious people, but puzzling.
The vast majority of Islamic Terrorist persecution and murder victims are.... Muslims.
The vast majority of Islamic Terrorist persecution and murder victims are.... Muslims.
Yes, Muslims = bad, Christians = Good.
Just don't go to middle America and see all the extreme Christians.
But Mr Woppit those are [b]facts[/b]! You can't be going around quoting [i]facts[/i] now can you? Please quote some alternative facts* instead.
Why do Americans insist on using so many syllables when one (lies) will do?
And adherents of which 'religeon' are slaughtering middle eastern Christians whoppit?
maybe he's a woozle?
That or a MacGuffin.
This thread needs Bloodynora. Ninfan and enfht just isn't enough. Especially on a Donald Trump thread!
What's the chances of the SNP doing a compulsory purchase order and taking Turnberry and the Aberdeen course off of him. 8)
For whoever it was who said that the petition was pointless and would achieve nothing, and would be simply ignored under the excuse that the issue had already been discussed :
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jan/31/parliament-debate-donald-trump-state-visit-16m-sign-petition ]Parliament to debate Trump state visit after 1.6m sign petition[/url]
The debate will be on 20 February.
I for one believe that whatever the final result that the government should be held accountable for the decisions they make, silently accepting whatever the government chooses to decide is not acceptable and healthy.
I love btw how the rival petition with its ridiculous wording will also be debated. It sums it all up really 🙂
Spicer says assuming 5 year old American citizens aren't a threat would be wrong.
(and in a classic Big Lie, they're focusing entirely on the 109 "temporarily inconvenienced" people who were processed in US airports and ignoring everyone else affected- everyone taken off a plan or refused boarding, everyone refused a visa. Only 109 people affected folks, hardly worth mentioning, for the safety of us all!
A bit like Donald's call to the Russians to hack Hilary's emails.... can someone clever in IT track chewkw's location so he can just be banned as the Russian infiltrater he is?
(and in a classic Big Lie, they're focusing entirely on the 109 "temporarily inconvenienced" people who were processed in US airports and ignoring everyone else affected- everyone taken off a plan or refused boarding, everyone refused a visa. Only 109 people affected folks, hardly worth mentioning, for the safety of us all!
e.g. my Iranian colleague who recently moved out to California. Now stuck there. As far as I know he's not a terrorist, at least he's never mentioned it.
@mike yes agreed rather disorganised. Certainky made headlines and maybe that was the point. Trump used the "shock" tactic to great effect during the campaign.
@kimbers, a debate indeed. Proven wrong 🙂
@Graham I'd be willing to bet that the terms and conditions of a Green card allow it be withdrawn as/when the US sees fit
Anyway Trump due to make two major statements today ...
Infrastructure spend ?
Tax policy ?
Illegal Immigrant deportations .
Scrap Paris Accord ?
Withdraw from Iran nuclear deal ?
My gut feel is they will be domestically focused
Ah trump's statements are in:
1. Making big money for America, no really huge money, you've never seen so much money. Yeah!
2. Donald Trump Center For Children Who Can't Read Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too
@Graham I'd be willing to bet that the terms and conditions of a Green card allow it be withdrawn as/when the US sees fit
Possibly, I'm not going to start into a rabbit hole of US immigration law to find out. The green card site does say they have the following rights:
As a permanent resident (green card holder), you have the right to:- Live permanently in the United States provided you do not commit any actions that would make you removable under immigration law
- Work in the United States at any legal work of your qualification and choosing. (Please note that some jobs will be limited to U.S. citizens for security reasons)
- Be protected by all laws of the United States, your state of residence and local jurisdictions
As it was the administration seemed to have reversed that initial decision and it now (probably) doesn't apply to green card holders. (Though they are still subject to extra screening). (Maybe). 🙄
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-immigration-ban-reince-priebus-green-card-holders-visa-travel-warning-a7552041.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/29/politics/donald-trump-travel-ban-green-card-dual-citizens/
My gut feel is they will be domestically focused
Lowest approval ratings ever and still tumbling, I'm not even sure he'll survive the first impeachment vote at this rate
He knows he's got to try and pull off something that doesn't turn into a huge shitstorm within 24hrs,
based on his track record so far..... I reckon faecal tempest
this thread needs more gifs
I ain't the one protesting on the streets or signing interweb petition or being vocal to call the brainwashed people to protest, that's the difference innit.Mr Woppit - Member
I support President Trump because he wants to look after the Merican people first. To me that is absolutely right. Take care of Merica first while the rest of the world can take care of themselves
You're not an American. It's none of your business. (According to you).
No offense taken, at ease and be yourself. 😛You do appear to be a complete nitwit, however.
No offense.
Okay, okay I shall stop using that term. 😀akira - Member
Chewkw, please stop typing Mericans, it's the lingual equivalent of nails down a blackboard. It's making your posts hard to read, and I was already struggling a bit....
I ain't the one protesting on the streets or signing interweb petition or being vocal to call the brainwashed people to protest, that's the difference innit.
Just one of the brainwashed who either voted for President Shitferbrains, or thinks he's a Good Thing.
The trouble is he can make easy gains, he can cut taxes, he can remove environmental and employment protection, he can boost a housing bubble, he can reduce healthcare. In the short term these will give the appearance of success for the majority. He doesn't give a shit about the long term affects of defunding essential services, he doesn't give a shit if a few more percent are thrown on the scrap heap, the american (and growing worldwide) narrative is to blame the victims, he doesn't have to live with the long term affects.
Has it made exec orders today, rating will be slipping.
The trouble is he can make easy gains, he can cut taxes, he can remove environmental and employment protection, he can boost a housing bubble, he can reduce healthcare. In the short term these will give the appearance of success for the majority. He doesn't give a shit about the long term affects of defunding essential services, he doesn't give a shit if a few more percent are thrown on the scrap heap, the american (and growing worldwide) narrative is to blame the victims, he doesn't have to live with the long term affects.
He might want to but he's got to get it past Congress and the Senate. Trump might view himself as a single-term-engineer-a-happy-4-years-on-borrowed-money-and-stuff-the-next-administration, but the other people in govt will be wanting re-election and will not want to be clearing up the mess.
Spicer says assuming 5 year old American citizens aren't a threat would be wrong.
To be fair, he has a point
Spicer says
This could be a new game, like what tweets will Lauren Laverne read out.
Anyone know what colour his eyes are? Mate unleashed the best line to someone once - your so full of shit your eyes just turned brown.
Promotion for the first journo to say that.
Or maybe we could seek his opinions in the bread vs cake debate.
I ain't the one protesting on the streets or signing interweb petition or being vocal to call the brainwashed people to protest, that's the difference innit.
Oh no, you're arguing on the internet with other anonymous strangers.....cos that makes so much difference..
Whereas others are out taking to the streets & being counted..
Yeah, you're the man when it comes to incisive & demonstrative political action..
🙄
Double post.
I have deleted my thread.
Please, please, please stop engaging with Chewkw. He's an absolute clownshoe.
He's either
a) Rude boy
b) some other fake alias troll
c) really who he says he is which is the most tragic of all the options
Either way he craves the attention. Ignore and he'll go away
Be interesting to see where this rabbit hole leads: has Trump, via some offshore nested companies, received 19% of Rosneft in return for the promise to lift Russian sanctions?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-rosneft-privatisation-insight-idUSKBN1582OH
If we see an announcement on sanctions being eased, restricted in the next wee while, I'm not saying its definite but.....follow the money.
I'd put Trump 50/50 for being impeached within 12 months.
Id put it 50:50 on him being shot dead in the next 3 weeks...........
If we see an announcement on sanctions being eased, restricted in the next wee while, I'm not saying its definite but.....follow the money.
Which money lol.... money flows his way from most of his policy announcements
The Crooked Don
That's not a nice thing to say ...maxtorque - Member
Id put it 50:50 on him being shot dead in the next 3 weeks...........
Please, please, please stop engaging with Chewkw. He's an absolute clownshoe.
Nah it's fun - mostly because his bizarre nonsensical ramblings and meandering hypocrisies undermine the credibility of the more serious posters that are on his "side".
Every time chewkw posts in support of Trump, I imagine ninfan questioning his own convictions just a little 😆
[url= http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-kremlin-idUSKBN15F0XI ]kicking off agian in the Ukraine[/url]
If The Donald was shot, especially by a non-white, then it's going to hit the fan.
Plus we get Pence.
chewkw
That's not a nice thing to say ...
What? I fail to see what being "nice" has to do with anything?
😯Nah it's fun
It was mainly incomprehensible and I prefer to debate with someone a little bit more sensible personally
Different views are fine views not supported by facts [in his case reality] are not worth engaging with as the person is whatever i can say here that is not a personal attack
@Klunk the fighting has never stopped, it's just dropped out of the mainstream news.
GrahamS - Member
Please, please, please stop engaging with Chewkw. He's an absolute clownshoe.
Nah it's fun - mostly because his bizarre nonsensical ramblings and meandering hypocrisies undermine the credibility of the more serious posters that are on his "side".Every time chewkw posts in support of Trump, I imagine ninfan questioning his own convictions just a little
Support for President Trump is solid. True. 😀
Chewkw I've a feeling were not in "nice" anymore. We have an alt right Leninist Chancellor running America from behind a mask of a septigenerian sex pest reality TV star . We have left being nice well behind.
[url= http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15F2MG ]Ipsos/Reuters opinion poll [/url] is interesting:
31 percent of Americans feel "more safe" because of the ban, compared with 26 percent who said they felt "less safe.
Certainly seems to be plenty of Americans that back the ban, though interestingly most of those polled didn't favour allowing in Christian refugees (as Trump suggested).
crankboy - Member
Chewkw I've a feeling were not in "nice" anymore. We have an alt right Leninist Chancellor running America from behind a mask of a septigenerian sex pest reality TV star . We have left being nice well behind.
I think the opponents of President Trump have just had a rude shock to their own system for finding out the voting public reject them.
Do they have shame to insist on the public to like them even though they (opponents of President Trump) have lost the election?
I think the opponents of President Trump have just had a rude shock to their own system for finding out the voting public reject them.
3 million more voted for Clinton
Do they have shame to insist on the public to like them even though they (opponents of President Trump) have lost the election?
You complete (deliberate) lack of comprehension as to how a democracy functions is wearing thin. Note how Republicans voted against Obama frequently.
In this case the president has asked for something that is not in his power and like a toddler has thrown his toys from the pram.
There is very good reason why there is no absolute power in modern countries.
Looks like the democrates are fighting back , they are boycotting Trump appointments .
Klunk - Member
kicking off agian in the Ukraine
Oh don't worry about that. Putin is [b]not[/b] going into Ukraine. I marked it down. I put it down.
mikewsmith - Member
3 million more voted for Clinton
You can argue all day long it does not matter.
The one that really matters has been won by President Trump.
Hence, he is President Trump.
You complete (deliberate) lack of comprehension as to how a democracy functions is wearing thin. Note how Republicans voted against Obama frequently.
That is how their system works which also means previous administration did not have enough support. No matter how unfair you see their system to be that is how they work.
I am sure they have their system in place so I do not see how the President can suddenly become over powerful. It's the same for all Presidents of USA past and present.In this case the president has asked for something that is not in his power and like a toddler has thrown his toys from the pram.
There is very good reason why there is no absolute power in modern countries.
You see. You blame the details.
I don't blame the details but rather how outdo them [b][u]within[/u][/b] the law.
I am sure they have their system in place so I do not see how the President can suddenly become over powerful. It's the same for all Presidents of USA past and present.
He hasn't that is why the AG went against him, she was part of the system to stop these things happening.
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mikewsmith - Member
I am sure they have their system in place so I do not see how the President can suddenly become over powerful. It's the same for all Presidents of USA past and present.
He hasn't that is why the AG went against him, she was part of the system to stop these things happening.
It is about one person challenging another in a system (actually in all systems of governance or rules of law) ... and she loss. Simple as that.
If she wins so be it but she loss.
Winner Always set the rules.
chewk you are describing a dictatorship
and she loss. Simple as that.
She didn't loose....
She was only going to be in the job another week or so. She got to highlight the massive issues with the Exec Order to the world and then provoke Trumper into a petulant reaction when he didn't get his own way.
She must also have had a great reccolection of the hard questioning her potential replacement (Rep) gave her about if she would stand up to a President over orders that violated the law/constitution. He was very insistent at the time that it was of upmost importantce that DoJ and AG were seen to be acting for the law not the administration in these cases.
She set up Trump, she has set up his pick for AG to get further scrutiny in his confirmation and how he handles this, it has kept the debate loudly raging on and got Sean "liar liar pants on fire" Spicer out making random statements again.
It's a win win.
He hasn't that is why the AG went against him, she was part of the system to stop these things happening
Indeed.
Checks & balances in the same way the High Court ruled on the Gov, Parliament & A50.
Odd that some don't understand the simple necessity that legitimacy & integrity is required & maintained....but there you have it..
She set up Trump, she has set up his pick for AG to get further scrutiny in his confirmation and how he handles this, it has kept the debate loudly raging on and got Sean "liar liar pants on fire" Spicer out making random statements again.
It's a win win.
Quite.
Some would spin it otherwise - but she's actually kept the focus firmly on Trump & the media will love it whilst he will hate it.
What the AG should have done is fight the actions in court and let them decide based upon the law. She knew she was going and just did something for show / raise her profile.
What the AG should have done is fight the actions in court and let them decide based upon the law.
No what should have happened was the President should have consulted the AG office when drafing the Exec Order so that they could have provided the advice needed - like you can't ban green card holders for example.
Se saved the tax payers a lot of cash by telling her staff it wasn't worth fighting.
Simply put Trump doesn't like people who disagree with him. It's not a good character trait.
😆 That will be hilarious for a nation such as USA.kimbers - Member
chewk you are describing a dictatorship
4 years per term and maximum of 2 terms, the President can "dictate" until his/her heart content. 😆
Dictatorship is for life and not for 2 terms.
mikewsmith - Member
It's a win win.
Yes, she is already on her way out. Many of them will soon be out but before they go they will create the biggest fuss possible, in order to make it as hard as possible for the next administration to do their jobs.
Whatever scenario many of them will be going as the new administration will have their own team to take up their positions, just like the previous administration having their own people in the job.
Surprise? i.e. making a fuss or mess. I think they need to be far more creative than doing the obvious really.
mikewsmith - Member
Simply put Trump doesn't like people who disagree with him. It's not a good character trait.
No President or Head of State or any leader in this world would like to be disagreed with.
It is one of the human trait for a leader to stand firm and stand strong never to give in.
If a President/leader can be easily disagreed with then s/he is no President/leader.
However, they are Not saint, none of them.
Id put it 50:50 on him being shot dead in the next 3 weeks...........
Your a disgrace Maxtorque 🙁 would it make you happy if he was ? This thread has disappeared up it's own arsehole IMHO 🙁 🙁
This thread has disappeared up it's own arsehole IMHO
It would not make me happy if he was, but I'd say he is probably making enimies faster than most, it's not unreasonable to think there are credible threats against him.
At the risk of another gross generalisation I would have thought the kind of person likely to grab a gun and go influence politics using bullets will be perfectly happy with what's going on right now, so trump is probably quite safe...
mikewsmith - Member
It would not make me happy if he was, but I'd say he is probably making enimies faster than most, it's not unreasonable to think there are credible threats against him.
He is not making more new enemies because those too are on their way out.
It's the old ones that fear losing more grounds to the new administration that are trying hard to hand on to their old power, they are the ones that are causing the problems due to the humiliation of unexpected elections defeat.
He is definitely in the top 10 of folk i would not be that upset about if they shuffled off the mortal coil.would it make you happy if he was ?
If piers morgan and farage go with him then I will cross the threshold into happy.
If piers morgan and farage go with him then I will cross the threshold into happy.
belts, carries bags, oranges and some secret russian cameras?
Your a disgrace Maxtorque would it make you happy if he was ? This thread has disappeared up it's own arsehole IMHO
He doesn't say he'd be happy about it. So how is the post a disgrace?
The US has previous for this sort of thing, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if someone is planning it. He's proving a catastrophically unpopular Presdident that's loosing support, and seemingly never had much support from anyone not white in the US.
To go down the definately tin foil predictions route, what are the chances of the guy with the suitcase having unusual orders if Trump goes for the big red button?
I was wondering what the purpose was of creating such a fuss over immigration, what was being done under cover of all the outrage.
Not so much under cover, but possibly the primary aim:
@ned he got elected on the basis of controversy.
Indy has a poll that shows more Americans support the ban than oppose it
Id put it 50:50 on him being shot dead in the next 3 weeks...........
Not that unusual.
He's the 45th President. 4 have been assassinated. Nearly 10%.
Plus there have been at least 20 other attempts to kill a sitting President.
It would seem unlikely that no-one will try and kill Trump. He's an obvious candidate.
Indy has a poll that shows more Americans support the ban than oppose it
That will make it easier to get rid of the pesky ammendments on guns then if they are willing to do away with bits of their constitution that quuck
j, yes and yes, but neither of those things support or deny anything in that article. Irrelevant to the point.
Massively off topic, but I'm starting to think Chewkw is a Spambot that's somehow gained sentience. Reading his posts it's the only logical conclusion I can come to.
Indy has a poll that shows more Americans support the ban than oppose it
It gathered poll responses from 1,201 people
😆
Also, the poll was split along party lines, so it seems more of a case of people trying to justify their voting stance.
that's somehow gained sentience.
Not sure about that bit.
the responses were split almost entirely along party lines. Some 53 percent of Democrats said they “strongly disagree” with Mr Trump's action while 51 per cent of Republicans said they “strongly agree.”
GIven democrats won the popular vote[ ie they are the higher number] it seems unlikely that the republican view could be the most popular- anyway good to see jambuy now likes surveys - well when they show what he wants 😉
It's a one joke account but Trump draws is just excellent
https://twitter.com/trumpdraws
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Every time chewkw posts in support of Trump, I imagine ninfan questioning his own convictions just a little
You have a very vivid imagination
It's a one joke account but Trump draws is just excellent
Yep that's made my morning
Indy has a poll that shows more Americans support the ban than oppose it
Yeah that's the same Ipsos/Reuters poll [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/donald-trump/page/164#post-8258023 ]I posted about on the previous page[/url].
Interesting that most [i]don't[/i] favour allowing in Christian refugees over Muslim ones ([url= http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/trump-christian-refugees/ ]as Trump suggested[/url]).
That could be a mixed bag though - I suspect some would reject it as un-Christian and unconstitutional - while others just don't want any refugees regardless of religion.
You have a very vivid imagination
It gets me through the day 😀