"Yer Maw was an immigrant you absolute roaster"
Applause!
I must say it's awfully civilised here without the Trump fans 😉
Isn't it normal in the states to replace top Civil servants when the Administration changes?
Yes but in a more organised way normally.
Cue the Yes Minister scene about the opposition (might have been Yes Prime Minister).
The delay between election and inauguration is partly due to time taken to get the old apparatchiks out and the new ones in. However this is usually only the top levels of management in any particular department, once you get down to those doing the implementing rather than deciding policy not much changes.
It looks like a lot of experience has been removed. Even with new staff their must be a learning curve of some sort and it's only running the most powerful country in the world.
What could go wrong eh
so now that the American government has been pretty much highjacked by an imperialist dictatorship, bordering on fascist regime, surely the US army will have to invade themselves to invoke a regime change? 🙂
Isolationist and imperialist. It's a good trick to do both those at the same time.
The official line being that The Doughnut is great for standing up to these people. For the love of god! 🙄 I guess people really are stupid enough to swallow this crap.
Luckily the yanks have the right to shit loads of guns to keep oppressive government in check.
Fancy a trip to Dallas mr t?
Isolationist and imperialist. It's a good trick to do both those at the same time.
The same with most of his policies, confused and conflicting
The same with most of his policies, confused and conflicting
Well he has spent months promising different things to different demographics.
None the less, I don't think Trump has an imperialist agenda. (But then Bush was the archetypal isolationist until 9/11.)
Perhaps Bannon is the key to power......?
mikewsmith - Member
I must say it's awfully civilised here without the Trump fans
I feel we should refer to them as the trumpets! 😆
From Sally Yates' confirmation hearing.
and to fill in the blanks that gent asking the tough questions will be moving into the desk shortly
On November 18, 2016, it was announced that President-elect Donald Trump planned to nominate Sessions for United States Attorney General.
Let's hope that video is left on repeat all over the building
Back to the visit...
"Lord Ricketts, who was permanent secretary at the Foreign Office from 2006 to 2010, said it was unprecedented for a US president to be invited for a state visit in their first year in the White House.
In a letter to the Times, he questioned whether Mr Trump was "specially deserving of this exceptional honour" and described the invitation as "premature".
"It would have been far wiser to wait to see what sort of president he would turn out to be before advising the Queen to invite him.
"Now the Queen is put in a very difficult position," he said."
What's Trump doing while everyone's going mental over the travel ban?
tweeting about how unfair life is
What's Trump doing while everyone's going mental over the travel ban?
That's my worry too. At least it's distracted everyone away from the pipeline stupidity.
Indeed. He's all smoke and mirrors.
slowoldman - Member
From Sally Yates' confirmation hearing.
If the [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38805944 ]news from BBC [/url] is correct than the decision is absolutely right for Sally Yates to be fired.
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Just for you chewkw, thankfully it was her job to question the legality of the order. Remember she is actually the lawyer (who's department they didn't consult)
I don't think there is anything substantive behind the façade. The simplistic slogans to solve complex issues is the reality.
The simplistic slogans to solve complex issues is the reality.
exactly, its what unites trump & brexit -
2 cheeks of the same shiity arse
mikewsmith - Member
Just for you chewkw, thankfully it was her job to question the legality of the order. Remember she is actually the lawyer (who's department they didn't consult)
It is legal hence she is fired.
She knows absolutely well that her decision is a political one rather than a legal one.
As a person of law she should know better than anyone else by not abusing her position, yet she is swayed by her political and emotional bias.
15 district attorneys also saying publicly they will not implement these illegal instructions
Yer Maw was an immigrant you absolute roaster
Legal though.
tjagain - Member
15 district attorneys also saying publicly they will not implement these illegal instructions
Very clever people they are too for trying to take laws into their own hands. 🙄
enfht - Member
Yer Maw was an immigrant you absolute roaster
Legal though.
unlike his wife?
Very clever people they are too for trying to take laws into their own hands.
unless what the president is doing is ilegal
or is Trump above the law in your eyes?
ah chewkw the professor of US constitutional law, hasn't part of this been held up in court already?
Sorry forgot stop engaging the troll.
Anyone know how much trump makes on the Dakota pipeline?
I wonder what his next [s]Business Opportunity[/s] policy will be 😉
Maybe a little bit of a comfort option in airport detention
kimbers - Member
unless what the president is doing is ilegalor is Trump above the law in your eyes?
It is legal ... 😆
It is legal hence she is fired.
That appears to be subject to debate. She was not [i]"convinced that the
Executive Order is lawful"[/i]. Several jurisdictions appear to agree.
She knows absolutely well that her decision is a political one rather than a legal one.
Her job is to react to the law and the constitution.
What does the First Amendment say again?
Very clever people they are too for trying to take laws into their own hands.
That is literally their job!
mikewsmith - Member
ah chewkw the professor of US constitutional law, hasn't part of this been held up in court already?
She knows what she did is wrong hence she is fired.
The Attorney General thinks not, but clearly you understand US law and constitution better than she does.
She knows what she did is wrong hence she is fired.
🙄
😆
🙄
you often get fired?
I assume you would shoot somebody if Donald told you to? Think this has happened before, it's called abuse of power.
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So there's an opposing petition to get Trump to come on a state visit here.
Am I being overly judgemental about the first thing that jumps out at me on reading the two petitions?
[i]"Donald Trump should be invited to make an official State Visit because he is the leader of a free world and U.K. is a country that supports free speech and does not believe that people that appose our point of view should be gagged."[/i]
It reads like it was written by a five year old. "Leader of [b]a[/b] free world"? "Appose"? The old "I said free speech first so I win" argument of ignoring the difference between "gagging" and "ignoring"?
GrahamS - Member
What does the First Amendment say again?
I hope that does not apply to me from the far east nor other sovereign states as I do not want that to impose on other countries.
Therefore, that 1st Amendment only apply to Citizen of Merica.
You want to go there then you comply. You don't you go. Simple.
You are Not a citizen of Merica then it is not your business who Merica let in or let out.
Their land their rules.
Other land other rules.
😆
It reads like it was written by a five year old.
Brexies, trying to salvage their precious trade deal
She knows what she did is wrong hence she is fired.
Does she?
Did she?
Or was she fired because the Doughnut only wants to surrounded by stupid sychophants?
I'm looking forward to him turning water into wine and making a jumbo jet disappear live on TV, aren't you chewkw?
It reads like it was written by a five year old.
chewkw at it again?
mikewsmith - Member
She knows what she did is wrong hence she is fired.
you often get fired?
From my job once many years ago when I was young and given a sales target that was so high it is impossible to achieve ... 😆
I assume you would shoot somebody if Donald told you to? Think this has happened before, it's called abuse of power.
Unlike many who blindly follow their leader(s) by seeing him/her as "living saint", I don't. I don't do things blindly nor follow orders.
However, I want to be the one that gives orders. 😆
You are Not a citizen of Merica then it is not your business who Merica let in or let out.Their land their rules.
It breaks their rules.
It breaks their constitution
It breaks several international agreements the US is a signatory to.
Guess what it breaks their laws, Presidents can't just change laws
Well let's see what Jeff Sessions does once (if?) he is approved as new Attorney General? Will he say it's lawful? If he does, I reckon there will be a court case brought on the issue.
"It breaks their rules.
It breaks their constitution
It breaks several international agreements the US is a signatory to.
Guess what it breaks their laws, Presidents can't just change laws"
Sounds highly likely, in which case let's save the hysteria and let the US courts deal with it.
Therefore, that 1st Amendment only apply to Citizen of Merica.You want to go there then you comply. You don't you go. Simple.
You are Not a citizen of Merica then it is not your business who Merica let in or let out.
The #MuslimBan was applied to Green card holders - i.e. lawful permanent residents of the US. Hence that part was illegal.
Unlike many who blindly follow their leader(s) by seeing him/her as "living saint", I don't. I don't do things blindly nor follow orders.
And yet here you are chastising Sally Yates for not blindly following orders.
As ever, your viewpoint continues to confuse me.
It is legal ...
#Alternatefacts
mikewsmith - Member
It breaks their rules.
It breaks their constitution
It breaks several international agreements the US is a signatory to.Guess what it breaks their laws, Presidents can't just change laws
😆 Of course they are legal.
The laws are for the Mericans.
If people are not Mericans then they either comply or not go.
Nobody is stopping people leaving or not going there.
GrahamS - Member
And yet here you are chastising Sally Yates for not blindly following orders.As ever, your viewpoint continues to confuse me.
Why not? She abuses her power did she not hence she is fired.
I don't understand your complete disregard for the worldwide outrage at Trump's policies, the irony that you seem to feel no barrier to criticising the policies of other countries which differ from your own politics is something to which you're seemingly oblivious. I strongly suspect that one of two scenarios applies to you.
1) You're fourteen years old.
2) You've limited emotional intelligence.
2) You've limited [s]emotional[/s] intelligence.
FTFY
Please explain chewkw why YOU think the executive order is legal when the Attorney General thinks it is not.
unlike his wife?
She is definitely his legal wife, what's your point caller?
Why not? She abuses her power did she not hence she is fired.
Her job (and Donald Trump's for that matter) is to uphold the constitution. If she is of the opinion that the Executive Order is in breach of the constitution then it is her job to speak out.
😆 Of course they are legal.
So you don't believe in blindly following leaders - but you do believe that anything the leader does is always legal and should be blindly followed?
The laws are for the Mericans.
If people are not Mericans then they either comply or not go.
IT. WAS. APPLIED. TO. MERICANS.
enfht - Member
unlike his wife?
She is definitely his legal wife, what's your point caller?
indeed but she wasnt always legal as an immigrant
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/06/melania-trump-reported-customs-immigration-violations.html
but hey Trump and his fans are as hypocritical as all the rest...
So you don't believe in blindly following leaders - but you do believe that anything the leader does is always legal and should be blindly followed?
He's already said that we should follow Theresa May blindly, so the answer has to be a clear yes.
Why do people keep engaging with chewkw ?
Clearly a troll who continues to get you all going. Just ignore them for a week and they will go away.
Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly and Rex Tillerson all upset about Trump not consulting them on his bonkers ban!
Yates could be the least of his worries if he carries on like this!
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this forum needs a proper ignore function, so that the ignorer is spared having to read the ignoree's drivel and the ignoree can't see the ignorer's posts - a la b3ta.
Back to the subject in hand. There was quite a turnout last night at Whitehall to protest at trade negotiations with Trump. A large contingent of the crowd were actual Americans, along with representations from all of the major religions.
Somehow, Trump has succeeded where Clinton and Carter have failed, as we had Jews marching in solidarity with Muslims...
PJM1974 - Member
@chewkwI don't understand your complete disregard for the worldwide outrage at Trump's policies, the irony that you seem to feel no barrier to criticising the policies of other countries which differ from your own politics is som
I can assure you that all those outrage are nothing but emotional feeling that they are entitled to.
I support President Trump because he wants to look after the Merican people first. To me that is absolutely right. Take care of Merica first while the rest of the world can take care of themselves.
I like to criticise countries that are "busy bodies" who want to intervene in other sovereign states' affairs, and who like to impose their moral views on others.
p/s: Yes, I support PM May as I consider her to be a good PM.
I like to criticise countries that are "busy bodies" who want to intervene in other sovereign states' affairs, and who like to impose their moral views on others.
Yet as a non national, you're happy to swing your hammer in the Brexshit debate. Hypocrisy much?
p/s: Yes, I support PM May as I consider her to be a good PM.
Supporting and telling people to bow down to her as she is the leader are two separate things
typo?
Yet as a non national, you're happy to swing your hammer in the Brexshit debate. Hypocrisy much?
I don't want to turn this thread into a one sided attack on a fellow forum member, but the above is indefensible, unless one actively revels in a moral stance that flip-flops to suit their own political viewpoint. That's usually the preserve of adolescents...or those with a very limited sense of self-awareness.
As I said before, I strongly urge chewkw to go and read Kant, followed by a prolonged study of the conditions which contributed to the rise of the Third Reich.
EU bureaucrats must go regardless.captainsasquatch - Member
I like to criticise countries that are "busy bodies" who want to intervene in other sovereign states' affairs, and who like to impose their moral views on others.
Yet as a non national, you're happy to swing your hammer in the Brexshit debate. Hypocrisy much?
PJM1974 - Member
@chewkwRead Kant.
I read Confucius, Lou Tze and etc ...
Kant has nothing new to offer.
Why do people keep engaging with chewkw ?Clearly a troll who continues to get you all going. Just ignore them for a week and they will go away.
The thrill of the chase!
prolonged study of the conditions which contributed to the rise of the Third Reich.
FFS, I've recently done this and we're nowhere near that.
For instance, towards the end of WW1 as a consequence of the blockade there were literally fights over food between starving Poles and starving Jews who lived in Poland. Before that the two communities had got on reasonably well. It's fairly easy to see how two decades later one side might be willing to send the other away to death camps.
Nothing in our world is going to lead to that level of hatred in Europe or the USA, certainly not anything that's politically happening right now. Last time it happened it took something as insanely extreme as WW1 to kick it off.
Yes it could happen again, and it could happen fast, but it would take an extreme situation as a catylist. (Say, the phosphates crisis.)
Plus in the age of google earth and mobile phones how do you hide a death camp?
We all need to calm down a lot.
Plus in the age of google earth and mobile phones how do you hide a death camp?
World is a big old place. Lots of places to hide.
It breaks their rules.
It breaks their constitution
It breaks several international agreements the US is a signatory to.
Guess what it breaks their laws, Presidents can't just change laws
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World is a big old place. Lots of places to hide.
2pc of German soldiers in Africa knew about the Holocaust. If that many people knew in the modern world it would be on FB worldwide in an afternoon.
But that's not really my argument. The Nazis were born out of extreme misery and suffering and desperation that we are not currently experiencing.
You won't be able to find a single serious Historian who thinks Trump/Brexit are equivalent to early the Nazi era, and plenty who say it's nowhere near.
I'm not saying it can't happen again in Europe or the States. [1] When the phosphate crisis kicks in and we're all miserable and hungry, maybe a rumour will get around that the Welsh are hoarding food and maybe that will end in a level of hatred where we ship them all off to death camps and nick their fields. But that's not where we are now.
[1] Obviously it is happening elsewhere in the world.
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The thrill of the chase!
maybe he's a woozle?
Chewkw, please stop typing Mericans, it's the lingual equivalent of nails down a blackboard. It's making your posts hard to read, and I was already struggling a bit....
[quote=akira ]Chewkw, please stop typing Mericans, it's the lingual equivalent of nails down a blackboard. It's making your posts hard to read, and I was already struggling a bit....
of all the shite posted by chewkw and you object to that?!
[b]I support President Trump[/b] because he wants to look after the Merican people first. To me that is absolutely right. Take care of Merica first while the rest of the world can take care of themselves.
You're not an American. It's none of your business. (According to you).
You do appear to be a complete nitwit, however.
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No offense.
Jam bo, I've objected to lots of other stuff as well but that just keeps on catching my eye and making me wince a little.
Scroll, scroll, scroll
Just saying
indeed but she wasnt always legal as an immigrant
At least base your rants on proven facts. Surely you have lots of them to choose from.
ninfan, the counter argument is 8 U.S.C. 1152
"no person shall receive any preference or priority or be discriminated against in the issuance of an immigrant visa because of the person’s race, sex, nationality, place of birth, or place of residence".
Of course that doesn't say you can't discriminate on the grounds of religion. Makes you think.
I suspect this will end up in court.
PJM1974 - Member1) You're fourteen years old.
2) You've limited emotional intelligence.
Well he reels them in every day.
So if he is indeed a fourteen year old with limited emotional intelligence then what does it say about his catches?