Never mind investing in the S&P he should have just invented MS-DOS and in his sparetime Facebook and he'd be worth much much more. Or used hindsight and just picked the most succesful start-ups. Also these calculations ignore state and Federal taxes which you'd have to pay on dividends and stock switches.
It also doesn't include not paying contractors or buying stuff/paying off fines with money from his 'charity' so he's probably worth a bit more than a more scrupulous businessman would be.
Northwind I don't think teacher/pupil is a good example. Its more like CEO and senior manager and you don't tell the boss something over and over again.
Some world-class turd polishing going on in this thread in Trump's defence.
Top post 🙂 Stef imo Trump is going to turn out ok an do well enough to get re-elected. We all need to learn to live with that. The US spends 3.6% GDP on defence for a whopping 20% of all govt spending, Trump has a very good point that many in NATO are slacking at 1% vs 2% target, if they want protecting they should honour their end of the bargain. If they are afaird of Putin they should build up their own military and/or stop goading him via EU expansion eastwards.
Personally I think all those who have been complaining about US interference internationally are going to be shouting even more loudly when the US stands back and says - "not our problem, not our backyard you sort it out"
You forget that the reason the US intervenes so much is because it makes them money, lots of it.
Forbes estimate his wealth as $3.7 Billion
I reckon that you can take it as read that becoming president has seen the value of the Trump brand, in particular in the value of the goodwill apportioned to it, increase significantly overnight 😉
I don't think teacher/pupil is a good example. Its more like CEO and senior manager and you don't tell the boss something over and over again.
although apparently, sources close to him have declared that working with him is akin to working with a petulant toddler
Hopefully the White House has a naughty step.
After watching two documentaries about the US meddling in other countries elections over the weekend, it is actually amusing that the same has happened there, reap what you sow, or something like that.
Looks like we won't be getting a carrier fighter now, either 😀
YAY! Useless carriers - well done to the Tories for scrapping the Cats and Traps requirement!
The Tories and Trump are an utter joke, I'm actually starting to miss the Bush/Blair days.
[b]Spoiler alert [/b] Trump is going to suggest buying the Su-34 😀 Disrupting Western defense industry, undermining Nato and attacking US intelligence - hahahah - yep, Putin plant.
well done to the Tories for scrapping the Cats and Traps requirement
Who ordered the f***ers without them in the first place?
If they'd gone for off the shelf steam instead of electromechanical - costs wouldn't have doubled. The tories were the ones that made the decision to scrap the CATOBAR design right at the time that serious issues with the F-35B were arrising.
Face it, Trump is a Russian plant and by extention so is your messiah Farrage - I wouldn't be suprised at all to find Russian money had poured into the leave campaign 😀
This is great, for the first time in a long while the left can really accuse the right of undermining western security 😀
here we go again...
Donald Trump has delayed an announcement on how he plans to separate his business empire interests from his role as US president.
The US president-elect had been due to hold a rare press conference on Thursday to discuss how he would deal with perceived conflicts of interest.
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On his Twitter account, Mr Trump says he will hold a news conference "in the near future" to discuss his business interests and his cabinet picks. He also indicated that two of his children would manage his businesses, with the help of executives, and that "no deals will be done" when he is president.
Cause that's not a conflict of interest
Meanwhile the swamp pump seams blocked
Meanwhile, Mr Trump said he was appointing Goldman Sachs President Gary Cohn as his "top economic adviser".
Mr Cohn will head the the White House National Economic Council, a position that will make him one of the most influential voices on economic decisions in the White House.The Goldman president is the third person from the bank to join Mr Trump's cabinet.
Steven Mnuchin - the incoming Treasury Secretary - and Steve Bannon - the new senior White House adviser are both former Goldman executives.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38297701
Donald Trump Is Gonna Get Us Killed
by Michael Moore
A week has gone by since Donald Trump admitted he's only been to "two or three" of his daily presidential national security briefings. There have been 36 of them since the day he secured enough electoral college votes to be appointed president next Monday when the Electoral College meets.
Most would agree the #1 job of the leader of any country is to keep its people safe. There is no more important meeting every day for the President than the one where he learns what the day's potential threats are to the country. That Trump would find it too cumbersome or too annoying to have to sit through 20 minutes of listening to his top intelligence people tell him who's trying to kill us today, simply boggles the mind.
Of course, our minds have been so boggled so many times in the past year by this foolish man no one seems that surprised or concerned. He can get up at 5 in the morning and send angry, childish tweets about how he's being portrayed on SNL ("Not funny! Unwatchable!"), or belittling the local elected union leader in Indiana, but he doesn't have time to hear about the threats to our national security.
So, my fellow Americans, when the next terrorist attack happens -- and it will happen, we all know that -- and after the tragedy is over, amidst the death and destruction that might have been prevented, you will see Donald Trump acting quickly to blame everyone but himself. He will suspend constitutional rights. He will round up anyone he deems a threat. He will declare war, and his Republican Congress will back him.
And no one will remember that he wasn't paying attention to the growing threat. Wasn't attending the daily national security briefings. Was playing golf instead or meeting with celebrities or staying up til 3am tweeting about how unfair CNN is. He said he didn't need to be briefed. "You know, I think I'm smart. I don't need to hear the same thing over and over each day for eight years." That's what he told Fox News on December 11th when asked why he wasn't attending the security briefings. Don't forget that date and his hubris as we bury the dead next year.
We had a president like him before. He, too, lost the popular vote, a majority of Americans saying they didn't want him in the Oval Office. But his governor/brother and his ex-CIA chief/dad's appointees to the Supreme Court put an end to that, and he was installed as Commander-in-Chief. On August 6, 2001, he was on a month-long vacation at his ranch in Texas. That morning, the White House Counsel handed him his daily national security briefing. He glanced at it, set it aside and then went fishing for the rest of the day. Below is the photo of that moment which I showed the world in "Fahrenheit 9/11". The headline on the security briefing reads: BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE INSIDE U.S. On the top page it tells how bin Laden will do this: with planes. George W. Bush didn't leave the ranch to go back to work for the next four weeks. In the fifth week, bin Laden attacked the US with planes on September 11th.
It's one thing to have a president who was asleep at the wheel. But, my friends, it's a whole other thing to now have a president-elect who REFUSES TO EVEN GET BEHIND THE WHEEL! This utter neglect of duty, a daily snub at the people who work to protect us, the first Commander-in-Chief to literally be AWOL and announcing proudly he isn't going to change -- this, I assure you, is going to get a lot of innocent people killed.
To you, Mr. Trump, I say this: When this next terrorist attack takes place, it is YOU who will be charged by the American people with a gross dereliction of duty. It was YOUR job to pay attention, to protect the country. But you were too busy tweeting and defending Putin and appointing cabinet members to dismantle the government. You didn't have time for the daily national security briefing. Don't think we're going to let you use a modern-day burning of the Reichstag as your excuse to eliminate our civil liberties and our democracy.
We will remember that while the plot to kill Americans was being hatched, your time was consumed by whom you saw as the real threat to America: Alec Baldwin in a wig.
Perhaps Alex Baldwin can go to the security briefings and then explain the problems in a skit on SNL?
and lets throw in a serious pro Russia and anti environment bunch of mates
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/12/14/its-hard-to-overstate-how-anti-environment-donald-trumps-cabin/?utm_hp_ref=au-homepage
http://www.smh.com.au/world/slick-decision-trumps-prorussia-secretary-of-state-pick-rex-tillerson-signals-trouble-ahead-20161213-gtaoqa.html
If the givernment actually approves his picks
Next asking for the people who actually understand and know about climate change
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/09/505041927/trump-transition-asks-energy-dept-which-employees-work-on-climate-change
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2016/12/09/trump-transition-team-for-energy-department-seeks-names-of-employees-involved-in-climate-meetings/?utm_term=.c05f51060100
and lets remember why there are sanctions against Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_sanctions_during_the_Ukrainian_crisis
and lets not forget the murder of 298 people.
One Texas republican voter has already said he would not vote for Trump in January.
It won't be enough to change the results but it shows the difficulties coming for Trump.
$7.5m wasted on the recounts all to show Trump actually got a few more votes than originally thought. Good work for the lawyers though.
We will have to wait and see whether Trump has a better or worse track record than Obama on security issues. Maybe not having a daily briefing will prove to be no bad thing. I would also think a lot of the daily briefings are to do with other peoples problems, ie not the US.
@cchris I am willing to wager a US under Trump is going to face endless critism for NOT intervening in conflicts on behalf of others. I think his attitude is going to be "not our problem" and thats going to cause a lot of concern for others.
$7.5m wasted on the recounts all to show Trump actually got a few more votes than originally thought. Good work for the lawyers though.
But I thought that the manual recounts were going to show us [b]absolute proof[/b] that Russia had hacked the US election in order to get Trump elected? You mean to come here now and tell us that it was just a butthurt leftie fantasy?
As I said earlier, US intervention is good for their businesses. That is why they do it.
But I thought that the manual recounts were going to show us absolute proof that Russia had hacked the US election in order to get Trump elected? You mean to come here now and tell us that it was just a butthurt leftie fantasy?
You saying the cia are lying on this? How about all those pro Russia nominations? You know as much as anyone ninfan no smoke without fire.
I never had ninfan down as the sort of guy who opposed the CIA and defended Putin
Still those lefties eh bloody hypocrites eh
Even if the CIA don't have any proof, it would be entirely fitting if parties with vested interests in seeing the democrats in power have caught on to post-truth politics as well. 😆
Wait for the butthurt right everyone 😆
7.5million in private donations, if it gets under trump's paper thin skin is probably worth it 😉
He's already cost the American taxpayer [url= https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-costs-more-protect-us-leader-president-history-a7456046.html%3Famp?client=ms-android-motorola ]more than any other president elect in US history[/url]
And some people actually think he will be good for their economy !
yep Jamby & ninfan never letting the facts get in the way of a good moan, must be hard trying to ignore all the bad stuff he is doing already.
I feel a game of blankety blank coming on here
I am willing to wager a US under Trump is going to face endless critism for ____________________________
Whats that...
Early morning Tweet
Spelling wrong
Confrontational language
International implications
Guess this is the sort of stuff you might learn about in intelligence briefings
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/17/donald-trump-china-unpresidented-act-us-navy-drone
Observers have suggested that both during the presidential campaign – in which Trump offered belligerent rhetoric against China over trade – and after his election victory, he has used outlandish statements on Twitter as a means of distraction when under pressure from the media and opponents.He is currently facing the belief of the White House, the CIA, the FBI and other intelligence agencies that Russia sought to influence the election in his favour – claims he has rejected and ridiculed – and questions about his business holdings and conflicts of interest that will arise when he takes office.
Mike China have been building Islands, putting weapons on them and shooting at Vietnamese fisherman. Maybe it's time someone stood up to them ? The Chinese took a US military survey drone from under the noses of the support ship, it warranted a reaction. Obama doesn't gas as he's checked out.
The "moan" comment above aimed at Ninfan and I is hysterical. There is a lot of moaning on STW re the US and Governments around the world and pretty much sweet FA comes from us.
The Chinese took a US military survey drone from under the noses of the support ship, it warranted a reaction.
And what better reaction than a half asleep tweet, the part of the article I quoted was the more relevant bit, the tweets seem to be more and more coinciding with stuff he doesn't want to talk about.
I'm sure it will be fine.
We'll have an all out hot war with China, a few million people will die in a long drawn-out exchange of conventional weapons and twitter posts, but eventually the grown-ups will step in and sort it out.
We will be forced to concede Taiwan to the Chinese, but in exchange, Alaska will be returned to the US (under joint Sino-US governance).
Arms stock prices will double in value.
Is this the same China that Brexiters want the UK to have closer trade links with?
Trump is not standing up to anyone .
and anyway , you keep telling us that he wont intervene in international affairs anymore ?
We'll have an all out hot war with China, a few million people will die in a long drawn-out exchange of conventional weapons and twitter posts, but eventually the grown-ups will step in and sort it out.
It will make it very hard to get your ties made in China too.
It now seems like he doesn't want the drone back, but maybe he does diplomacy by twitter nothing beats it.
As if anyone believes it is a scientific drone. The Chinese will give it back once they have studied what is inside.
Maybe they could swap the drone for Trump, it would probably do a better job as President.
This ****** is no joke. Like a weird narcissist vengeful clownish spoiled fat-kid that everyone laughs at while he plots his revenge for every real or imagined insult, including bigger kids on the block daring to be bigger or faster. Or for having laughed.
A psycho like Trump in power? FFS USA?. This is like a film from the the slow-mo guys. Starts out as a car-crash that we all watch play out in agonizing pristine slow-motion. So slowly that we can read tweets between frames. Yet we can't touch or change the scenario as, of course, someone else is directing it. Then it (the footage) starts speeding up. So far so Youtube. Except it's then that it breaks out from the screen and comes through our windows.
I don't think they claimed it's scientific, its logging the seabed near the newly created and fortified islands.
Interesting analysis of the voting ahead of the electoral, college vote. Whilst Clinton got 2.5m more votes overall that is far less than the combined amounts she won California (4m) and NY (1.7m) by
[quote=cchris2lou ]As if anyone believes it is a scientific drone. The Chinese will give it back once they have studied what is inside.
they could buy one if they wanted to...
http://www.teledynemarine.com/slocum-glider
why don't the Us just fit booby traps to the things.
Trump confirmed as President after Electoral College vote. What's strange is 2 Texan Republicans did not vote for him and 4 Democrats (other states) did not vote for Hillary
I'd not call it strange in this year, just raising their objections to the man (as is their role) others were stopped from voting against him also.
A view on the hurdels he faces going foward
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/19/donald-trump-violate-us-constitution-inauguration-day
Inpartiality is a tough thing to achive and as he has so far failed to present any real plans to remove himself from massive potential conflicts of interest they are going to have some fun with him.
And as a slightly better summary of the main ones
Trump's international business conflicts aren't limited to our own geopolitical neighbourhood. Here's a quick rundown of some of the others:Trump is a part-owner of a building in Manhattan that carries a $950 million debt, some of which is owed to a large government-owned bank in China.
The president-elect has made up to $10m to date from Trump Towers Istanbul. Also involved in this huge development is one of Turkey's biggest oil and media moguls, a company that has used its media platform to vocally support the repressive regime of Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
A large development in the ex-Soviet nation of Georgia, which had been put on hold in 2013, was reopened soon after Trump's election. It has been suggested that the Georgian government, implicated as it is in the consequences of the US-Russian relationship, may have supported the project in order to influence Trump's foreign policy in the region.
During his presidential run, Trump opened eight new companies in Saudi Arabia. On the campaign trail in August, he said: "Saudi Arabia, I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much."
Construction of a Trump office building in Buenos Aires is being held up due to an issue with the granting of a permit. The subject of the granting of the permit was reportedly discussed during the President-elect's first phone call with his Argentinian leader Mauricio Macri.
Trump has borrowed up to $2.5 billion from Deutsche Bank in the last 20 years. The US Department of Justice is currently negotiating a settlement of up to $14 billion with the bank as a penalty for its predatory lending practices in the lead-up to the global financial crisis.The settlement will be overseen by the incoming attorney-general, whom Trump will personally appoint.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-14/opinion-donald-trump-conflicts-of-interest/8095842
I thought I was in a dream the longest. I have no doubt that he is an alien. But we also live in the same country. It must walk together. 😈
😳 😯 
😮
mentally unwell.
"Alternet" has a story about Trump and you present this as an article worthy of comment?
You may as well have a mock Sun page made with "Trump ate my hampster"
@mike you seem to have glossed over my point. The Trump electoral college rebellion ended up with more Democrats voting against Hillary than Republicans against Trump. So his lead was extended !
