They keep threatening him with jail if the fines don’t stop him breaking the embargo, so they must have a plan….
Guantanamo Bay is still open.
I think this is my favourite image.
He's been losing weight.
Quote of the day, Engoron on Trump: “As the trier of fact, I find that the witness is not credible”
As funny as it is seeing him in an orange play suit, can we please try to remain objective?
The guy is abhorent, so don't stoop to his level.
As funny as it is seeing him in an orange play suit, can we please try to remain objective?
The guy is abhorent, so don’t stoop to his level.<br /><br />
Frankly, we’d be stooping to remarkable levels in order to get down to his. And how can anyone be objective when faced with someone who’s spent most of his life indulging in criminal behaviour and corruption, and demanding that he be allowed to carry on doing it, because he’s the (ex) president.
There are things I could call him which would be correct, but get me a stern talking to from the mods, without ever getting down to his level.
I agree with you, don't get me wrong.
Trump is actualy trying to test the american legal system to breaking point (for all the wrong reasons IMO), but it is being tested in court, some of the highest courts at state and USA level.
Quite a power move for a fat 'elite' golf player who can't even play golf properly by most accounts.
It will be very fun to see how it plays out... he's not even in government, he's the US version of Nigel Farage.. just a twit with a big mouth, metaphorically speaking.
Making a lot of noise from the side lines.
Meanwhile in reality...
I'm no gamblin' man, but I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and it was a white christian extemist what dun this.
I’m gonna go out on a limb here, and it was a white christian extemist what dun this.
Ex-military firearms instructor with a troubled history.
https://www.marca.com/en/lifestyle/us-news/2023/10/26/6539d51e22601d92678b457b.html
So it was a white christian extemist what dun this?
Not a man of colour or a Mexican, or one of those A-rabs?
I'm shocked, shocked I tell thee!
I get the point you're making, and am all for blaming religion for suffering out there, but the links don't show that the shooter had any ties to Christianity, or any other religion.
They will, give it a day or two.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
the links don’t show that the shooter had any ties to Christianity, or any other religion.
Exactly, best to hold off on the speculation. Initial reports said he had a record of mental health issues and heard voices. Another report said that he might have voted for Obama years ago.
Not all violence is committed by right-wing religious zealots, the key difference is that liberals don't celebrate calls for violence.
They will, give it a day or two.
To be fair to @mattyfez, the overwhelming body of evidence points in that direction for most of these sorts of shooters, like him I'll amazed if there not a link to QAnon, or Proud Boy or Oath Keepers or some other deranged group of right wing gun enthusiasts
Another report said that he might have voted for Obama years ago. Not all violence is committed by right-wing religious zealots
No, but most of it is, and let's not forget, Ashli Babbitt (shot in the insurrection of Jan 6), was also an Obama voter.
Ivanka to testify next week, Trump to testify the week after - as hostile witnesses. Going to be interesting - a tsunami of purgery?
https://www.theonion.com/trump-s-closest-allies-explain-why-they-re-flipping-on-1850959394/slides/17
Herman Cain
“I died.”
No, but most of it is, and let’s not forget, Ashli Babbitt (shot in the insurrection of Jan 6), was also an Obama voter.
That checks out because it was antifa and the looney left that stormed the Capitol. According to people who have probably married within a very narrow gene pool.
The 14th amendment case to keep trump off the ballot in Colorado opens in court Monday 30 October.
Expected to last one week.
Intetesting it's got as far as court so this could be one to follow.
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The 14th amendment case to keep trump off the ballot in Colorado
What are the two world consequences? He couldn't become president? Genuine question btw.
14th amendment cases can only be brought at state level; there is no provision under it for a federal case.
Very limited potential to affect trump - other than hurting his ego.
Still interesting IMO.
Somebody said a few pages back that if he can't go on the ballot in Colarado, that basically excludes him from everywhere. Makes sense to me.
Is Colarado normally a Democrat or Republican state?
Somebody said a few pages back that if he can’t go on the ballot in Colarado, that basically excludes him from everywhere. Makes sense to me.
Is Colarado normally a Democrat or Republican state?
It was a pretty solid win for Biden last time.
https://www.270towin.com/maps/2020-actual-electoral-map
The problem with U.S. presidential elections is that they are conducted by each state, then the state sends electors to vote in the Electoral College. The idea of refusing to allow a candidate on the ballot is untested legal theory and the solid MAGA states will definitely have Trump on the ballot. The only way to defeat Trump is to beat him at the ballot box, trying a legal gambit to keep him off the ballot will just energize his supporters.
tthew - no; the outcome of the Colorado case has no bearing on the ballot in other states.
Colorado has voted Dem in the last four elections; governor and state legislature also dem.
The make up of those bringing the case is interesting in that it includes 6 republicans.
As for the case '...energising his supporters' it won't move the dial - his supporters will still vote for him (noisily), dems will not change their voting and undeciceds are unlikely to be influenced by this.
trump and his supporters will make noise but that's all.
What I meant was, he is barred from the vote in Colorado and the decision is appealed at the US Supreme Court, and the decision is upheld, then that becomes law throughout the country, AFAIK! I’m not a constitutional expert though 😉
I don't believe that's how it works.
My understanding...
It's a case at state level so any/all appeals will initially be to/through the state judiciary.
If it got as far as the Supreme Court they would be ruling on the state case only.
14th Amendment case in Colorado:
One of the police officers from J6 is testifying. Not a good day.
Similar case in Minnesota starts on Thursday with pre-trial hearings.
What is J6 and why does that make it not a good day? Not a good for Trump or the rest of us?
By "not a good day" - I was referring to the testimony from that police officer in the court case in Colorado. Pretty harrowing.
I'd not seen the bodycam footage before, really ugly.
The BBC documentary on the Capitol riots was harrowing, it was like a medieval battle at times
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0010tff
Of course...and I've clearly lost sight of that in my last 2 posts as they were asked in ignorance.
Genuinely sorry for my complete lack of thought there. I was just thinking about the fact this would be bad for Trump without considering the actual events.
The Mango Mussolini's little boy is in court today giving evidence, which should be fun.
Sounds a bit clueless based on this.
https://twitter.com/lawofruby/status/1720084038768291925
But now he doesn't remember important stuff:
https://twitter.com/lawofruby/status/1720112137052340325
Trump Junior's defence seems to be that if you pay people to do things on your behalf it's not your fault if they do what you ask them to. He seems to be saying that he's especially innocent because he paid them a lot - the more you pay the more blameless you are - no matter how much you've benefited from those acts.
Shakespeare had less back stabbing than this lot
Interesting strategy:
Donald Trump goes after judge for 'persecuting' his sons
Over the last couple of hours, Donald Trump has been sharing a flurry of posts on his social media, Truth Social.
He wrote in one of the posts: "Engoron is a wacko who is having a great time endlessly sanctioning, fining, & pushing around “TRUMP,” hurting my very good children, & working to damage & defame me for purposes of Interfering with the 2024 Presidential Election.
"So sad to see my sons being PERSECUTED in a political Witch Hunt," he wrote in his most recent post.
He also lashed out at what he called "fake news" covering the trial.
How close is he to breaching the gag order again?
