I love that his legal team applied to refuse cameras access to the court as it'd create a "circus". Mate, it's your performing elephant and his monkey pals and clown lawyers that do that.
I love that his legal team applied to refuse cameras access to the court as it’d create a “circus”.
Typical tactic of Trump. Will do anything to frustrate justice as long as possible. I'm half expecting him to feign an illness next...
Given trump's recent posts about the judge and the 'kangaroo court' followed by his recent outburst about Jack Smith, I would say the odds are shortening on the judge imposing a gagging order on the orange one.
Edit: In December, a congressional committee filed an 845-page report on the insurrection at the White House on 6 January 2021.
They concluded that Mr Trump and his allies had a “multipart plan to overturn the 2020 presidential election”, including the attack on the Capitol.
Is that ^^ the smoking gun that you were looking for?
You have to bear in mind that these things are partisan. The Democrats wrote a report, and had the majority so it became the official version of events.
Is it true - probably
Is it biased - there's certainly credence given that wouldn't pass a beyond reasonable doubt test. To use the "smoking gun" analogy, a government report that Saddam Hussein has WMD's wasn't the smoking gun. It'd be like having the Labour party investigate Boris's parties, or the Tory's investigate Anti-Semitism. The conclusions would probably right, but the reports probably wouldn't be impartial.
Essentially it's the basis of the prosecution's dossier in any potential court case. It's not the defense.
All five criminal and civil investigations currently taking place into Trump's behaviour/affairs are ultimately responsible to Democrat politicians.
For obvious reasons Republican politicians are generally reluctant to get involved in investigating the former Republican president (the congressional committee had 2 Republican members to the Democrats 7) and generally dismiss the investigations as politically motivated.
Which to be fair has an element of truth, I imagine most people see that. However the more serious and recent the allegations then the less it looks politically motivated and more it appears as pursuing justice.
I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss the significance of the congressional committee's findings into the insurrection at the White House on 6 January 2021.
Given trump’s recent posts about the judge and the ‘kangaroo court’ followed by his recent outburst about Jack Smith, I would say the odds are shortening on the judge imposing a gagging order on the orange one.
At the Alex Jones trial recently, I found it hard to believe that the human cockroach didn't spend time behind bars for contempt. But ultimately I think the judge played him just right and allowed him to tie a noose round his own neck.
Trump always believes he is the smartest guy in the room, despite the evidence. I don't think he will be able to control himself and the more he is forced to testify the more he will condemn himself. His l legal teams biggest challenge IMO is going to be keeping him from opening his mouth and letting his stupidity spew fourth into the court.
All five criminal and civil investigations currently taking place into Trump’s behaviour/affairs are ultimately responsible to Democrat politicians.
Point of order! I believe the Georgia "I only need 12,000 votes" investigation is Republican-lead, hence the RINO jibe (though happy to be proven wrong if not)
34 charges.
Hmm.
Fani Willis heading the Georgia investigation is a Democrat.
Fani beats Trump...
I'm already on it, designing rock/paper/scissors memes.
Just in case.
No doubt there’s a political angle but that doesn’t mean to say he’s not still a massive crook. Why do people have to kid themselves that it’s one or the other.
Down like BHS muddyfunster…
Why do people have to kid themselves that it’s one or the other.
Because they’re Nationalist Christians, (Nat-C’s), and Agent Orange is their Born-Again God-King. Simples.
Which is what they are.
Trump’s earlier statement about previous persecutions of “political” figures referenced Nelson Mandela and Jesus. THIS is how he sees himself.
The Son of God, the man who delivered equal rights in South Africa and the man who secretly paid off a pornstar with whom he’d had an affair which he didn’t want to tell anyone about as it would make people think he was bad. LOL 😂.
Imagine trying to write a character reference for Trump... it would just be one line...
Urm, well I never personally saw him murder anyone, so... I guess he's ok?
Looks like it's all going as predicted:
live: Judge warns Trump over threats as he pleads not guilty to 34 charges
This is one of the most important news stories of the year. It means that Republican lawsuits over gerrymandering and election denial will be rejected as nonsense in a critical swing state.
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1643432745182326785
This is the comic that CountZero linked to above.
Keep in mind, this guy was running to be a Supreme Court justice and he can't even do the polite thing and concede gracefully. Not really going to convince the people who didn't vote for him to change their minds.
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1643442166214033409
The more I read and the more commentators I listen to, the more I'm convinced my initial reaction to this was correct - from a political and moral perspective, if your objective what to get Trump thoroughly shat on so he'd never he never have influence again and maybe even paid for some of he's pretty obvious crimes, this was not the correct first move. Impartial observers seem far from convinced this a felony rather that misdemeanor. If this does not make the grade and gets thrown out along the way, Trump will look vindicated in his claims of being unjustly hounded to huge swathes of US voters who will maintain that stance if/when the truly despicable stuff comes to pass.
keeps the twittersphere happy and distracted though.
The World would be a better place if he just quietly died.
What clown bike for hopping over skateboards?
What amused me was the judge advising trump to dial down the rhetoric then this morning the key quote from his speech being "the US is going to hell" 😆
The sense of perspective of the Republican party about Trump was summed up by a Republican congresswoman on Radio 4 this morning who said that all great leaders have been arrested, then went on to compare him to Nelson Mandella and Jesus
erm... ok love
I given up trying to figure out the logic of Trump fans,they are just wired different.
fastest way to get this orange turd in prison is to serve him with a gag order preventing him from discussing the case online or in front of more than 4 people. Wait 10 minutes then man the harpoons
Someone needs to turn off the Cern Super Collider, if that twonk being able to rally his cult considering the shit he pulls isn't proof that we're being dragged in and out of more chaotic parallel universes then I don't know what is
There was a trump nutter woman on the news the other night saying she'd take a bullet for him because he would do the same for her. The cult of trump is quite incredible.
and Jesus
I am struggling with this comparison but given the time of year I am willing to be convinced.
Lets get him up on the cross on Friday and see what happens come Monday.
That man is a danger to the USA - it's absolutely frightening.
The only good thing is that he's old and hopefully won't be around much too much longer.
The only good thing is that he’s old and hopefully won’t be around much too much longer.
Just you wait for President Carlson.
There was a trump nutter woman on the news the other night saying she’d take a bullet for him because he would do the same for her. The cult of trump is quite incredible.
This is the problem in a nutshell
That man is a danger to the USA – it’s absolutely frightening.
It is also fascinating in a "rubbernecking an accident on the other side of the motorway" kind of way.
To be honest I had hoped with the example given by America, that more people would see through the lies around the world, but I saw that in Finland last week the populists also did quite well there, which given the Russian invasion of the Ukraine and their membership of NATO being confirmed, you would have hoped the voting population would be more sober.
The problem isn't going away, and while we have leaders from many countries taking advantage, there is no solution in sight. We should remember that the Trump 3 ring act is just an example of the game being played out all over the world.
We should remember that the Trump 3 ring act is just an example of the game being played out all over the world.
Whilst we’re all being distracted by Ukraine, it’s easy to forget how successful Putin has been in terms of his sponsored influence into populist politics such as Brexit/Johnson, Trump and now Finland demonstrates
and Jesus
I am struggling with this comparison but given the time of year I am willing to be convinced.
I'm not until the crowd outside start shouting "release Barabbas".
Or Roger.
Theres just been a woman on the radio who knows Stormy Daniels well. She said she's really sharp and witty (unlike Trump), is absolutely uncowed and unapologetic (despite receiving the inevitable death threats) and has made a statement saying "I've seen him naked, so nothing he can do with his clothes on can scare me" 🤣
She settled for just $130,000 from a man worth $2.5 billion, I'm not sure how sharp that is. But maybe it is, I don't know how desperate he was for her to keep her mouth shut.
She settled for just $130,000 from a man WHO CLAIMS TO BE worth $2.5 billion
FTFY
I'd be happy to take $130,000 off someone who says they've never met me to not say anything about something I definitely didn't do
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The more I read and the more commentators I listen to, the more I’m convinced my initial reaction to this was correct – from a political and moral perspective, if your objective what to get Trump thoroughly shat on so he’d never he never have influence again and maybe even paid for some of he’s pretty obvious crimes, this was not the correct first move. Impartial observers seem far from convinced this a felony rather that misdemeanor. If this does not make the grade and gets thrown out along the way, Trump will look vindicated in his claims of being unjustly hounded to huge swathes of US voters who will maintain that stance if/when the truly despicable stuff comes to pass.
Surely though the people involved in bringing charges against Trump should be doing so purely from a legal point of view? If this is the first case that is ready to bring indictments then it should be the first case for which he is indicted.
For the prosecutors to look at all the various cases surrounding him as a way to remove his power and discredit him as a political figure that would in fact confirm his claims about them being about persecution and politically motivated and not about justice.
These things need to be done by the book, because otherwise they become another way in which he has diminished the country he was supposed to serve.
She settled for just $130,000 from a man WHO CLAIMS TO BE worth $2.5 billion
FTFY
Nah, the $2.5 billion has been calculated by other people, AFAIK Trump claims to be worth a lot more than that.
I don't know what he is currently claiming to be worth, all I can find is that in June 2015 he apparently claimed to be worth $8.7 billion,
I don’t know what he is currently claiming to be worth
Depends if he is writing it on a tax return or a loan application.
Apparently Trump has been slagging off the judge and their family - I'd have thought that breached some sort of rule?
that would in fact confirm his claims about them being about persecution and politically motivated and not about justice.
Trump and his enablers and supporters will use that argument regardless of the charges. So whether it's accusations of vote rigging in Fulton country or illegally removing classified documents, they will always claim it's politically motivated.
It does well to always bear in mind that some of them also made money selling tee-shirts and hats with the words "Lock Her Up" written on them, so y'know...There is that.
