Mike China have been building Islands, putting weapons on them and shooting at Vietnamese fisherman. Maybe it's time someone stood up to them ? The Chinese took a US military survey drone from under the noses of the support ship, it warranted a reaction. Obama doesn't gas as he's checked out.
The "moan" comment above aimed at Ninfan and I is hysterical. There is a lot of moaning on STW re the US and Governments around the world and pretty much sweet FA comes from us.
The Chinese took a US military survey drone from under the noses of the support ship, it warranted a reaction.
And what better reaction than a half asleep tweet, the part of the article I quoted was the more relevant bit, the tweets seem to be more and more coinciding with stuff he doesn't want to talk about.
I'm sure it will be fine.
We'll have an all out hot war with China, a few million people will die in a long drawn-out exchange of conventional weapons and twitter posts, but eventually the grown-ups will step in and sort it out.
We will be forced to concede Taiwan to the Chinese, but in exchange, Alaska will be returned to the US (under joint Sino-US governance).
Arms stock prices will double in value.
Is this the same China that Brexiters want the UK to have closer trade links with?
Trump is not standing up to anyone .
and anyway , you keep telling us that he wont intervene in international affairs anymore ?
We'll have an all out hot war with China, a few million people will die in a long drawn-out exchange of conventional weapons and twitter posts, but eventually the grown-ups will step in and sort it out.
It will make it very hard to get your ties made in China too.
It now seems like he doesn't want the drone back, but maybe he does diplomacy by twitter nothing beats it.
As if anyone believes it is a scientific drone. The Chinese will give it back once they have studied what is inside.
Maybe they could swap the drone for Trump, it would probably do a better job as President.
This ****** is no joke. Like a weird narcissist vengeful clownish spoiled fat-kid that everyone laughs at while he plots his revenge for every real or imagined insult, including bigger kids on the block daring to be bigger or faster. Or for having laughed.
A psycho like Trump in power? FFS USA?. This is like a film from the the slow-mo guys. Starts out as a car-crash that we all watch play out in agonizing pristine slow-motion. So slowly that we can read tweets between frames. Yet we can't touch or change the scenario as, of course, someone else is directing it. Then it (the footage) starts speeding up. So far so Youtube. Except it's then that it breaks out from the screen and comes through our windows.
I don't think they claimed it's scientific, its logging the seabed near the newly created and fortified islands.
Interesting analysis of the voting ahead of the electoral, college vote. Whilst Clinton got 2.5m more votes overall that is far less than the combined amounts she won California (4m) and NY (1.7m) by
[quote=cchris2lou ]As if anyone believes it is a scientific drone. The Chinese will give it back once they have studied what is inside.
they could buy one if they wanted to...
http://www.teledynemarine.com/slocum-glider
why don't the Us just fit booby traps to the things.
Trump confirmed as President after Electoral College vote. What's strange is 2 Texan Republicans did not vote for him and 4 Democrats (other states) did not vote for Hillary
I'd not call it strange in this year, just raising their objections to the man (as is their role) others were stopped from voting against him also.
A view on the hurdels he faces going foward
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/19/donald-trump-violate-us-constitution-inauguration-day
Inpartiality is a tough thing to achive and as he has so far failed to present any real plans to remove himself from massive potential conflicts of interest they are going to have some fun with him.
And as a slightly better summary of the main ones
Trump's international business conflicts aren't limited to our own geopolitical neighbourhood. Here's a quick rundown of some of the others:Trump is a part-owner of a building in Manhattan that carries a $950 million debt, some of which is owed to a large government-owned bank in China.
The president-elect has made up to $10m to date from Trump Towers Istanbul. Also involved in this huge development is one of Turkey's biggest oil and media moguls, a company that has used its media platform to vocally support the repressive regime of Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
A large development in the ex-Soviet nation of Georgia, which had been put on hold in 2013, was reopened soon after Trump's election. It has been suggested that the Georgian government, implicated as it is in the consequences of the US-Russian relationship, may have supported the project in order to influence Trump's foreign policy in the region.
During his presidential run, Trump opened eight new companies in Saudi Arabia. On the campaign trail in August, he said: "Saudi Arabia, I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much."
Construction of a Trump office building in Buenos Aires is being held up due to an issue with the granting of a permit. The subject of the granting of the permit was reportedly discussed during the President-elect's first phone call with his Argentinian leader Mauricio Macri.
Trump has borrowed up to $2.5 billion from Deutsche Bank in the last 20 years. The US Department of Justice is currently negotiating a settlement of up to $14 billion with the bank as a penalty for its predatory lending practices in the lead-up to the global financial crisis.The settlement will be overseen by the incoming attorney-general, whom Trump will personally appoint.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-14/opinion-donald-trump-conflicts-of-interest/8095842
I thought I was in a dream the longest. I have no doubt that he is an alien. But we also live in the same country. It must walk together. 😈
😳 😯 
😮
mentally unwell.
"Alternet" has a story about Trump and you present this as an article worthy of comment?
You may as well have a mock Sun page made with "Trump ate my hampster"
@mike you seem to have glossed over my point. The Trump electoral college rebellion ended up with more Democrats voting against Hillary than Republicans against Trump. So his lead was extended !
Jambalaya, you missed the point and the fact that several people were replaced or dismissed for not voting as instructed, the real numbers would be different. It wasn't a serious attempt to change the result but more a protest vote.
Of more serious concern is the very real and obvious conflicts of interest, the fact that any news on the handing over of business interests has not been forthcoming or that the plan to hand over control to his kids won't remove the conflict of interest part of the constitution.
The fact that he could be impeached pretty much instantly doesn't seem to be worrying him, no bigly.
I didn't miss that, state law in a number of places ensures that delegates cannot vote against the people. If they don't commit to vote in line with the people they are kicked out.
The fact that he could be impeached pretty much instantly doesn't seem to be worrying him, no bigly
Nope,he makes his money regardless and has no shame.He is the fat angry kid with the keys to the sweet shop and doesn't GAF
As much as some of this is funny, it's shit like this that costs lives some days
Donald Trump launched his Twitter campaign against China’s seizure of a U.S. Navy research submersible last week to great fanfare ? and, as it turns out, hours after the crisis had already been defused.It’s unclear whether the president-elect or his aides knew that fact ? it would have been included in the intelligence briefing available to him each morning ? before he sent out his misspelled missive of outrage at 7:30 a.m. Saturday.
“China steals United States Navy research drone in international waters ? rips it out of water and takes it to China in unpresidented act,” Trump wrote. He deleted that version and replaced it with “unprecedented” spelled correctly at 8:57 a.m.
But even his first version came four hours after U.S. Ambassador to China Max Baucus was informed that the Chinese navy had agreed to return the “underwater unmanned vehicle.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/trump-drone-china_us_58594304e4b08debb78b0542
Too important to read the briefing, fire off a tweet, cause a diplomatic incident, wind up country getting pissed off with you.
Oh and can somebody pop round and fix the swamp pump it's getting bunged with conflicts of interest.
A new Texas nonprofit led by Donald Trump’s grown sons is offering access to the freshly-minted president during inauguration weekend — all in exchange for million-dollar donations to unnamed “conservation” charities, according to interviews and documents reviewed by the Center for Public Integrity.And the donors’ identities may never be known.
Prospective million-dollar donors to the “Opening Day 2017” event — slated for Jan. 21, the day after inauguration, at Washington, D.C.’s Walter E. Washington Convention Center — receive a “private reception and photo opportunity for 16 guests with President Donald J. Trump,” a “multi-day hunting and/or fishing excursion for 4 guests with Donald Trump, Jr. and/or Eric Trump, and team,” as well as tickets to other events and “autographed guitars by an Opening Day 2017 performer.”
It's OK the son's have quit the board and deleted it now as they didn't really mean to auction off time and access to the highest bidder. (Yes I know that's how politics works but this was meant to be the shining light of change - so rich that he was incorruptible!)
mikewsmith - MemberToo important to read the briefing, fire off a tweet, cause a diplomatic incident, wind up country getting pissed off with you.
It's alright, he already knew the content and the content of all future security briefings- they're all the Director saying the same things over and over, remember?
mentally unwell.
Odd, you would have to question whether you can trust the opinion of any psychiatrist who would risk being struck off for breaching fundamental ethical principles of his specialism in order to fulfil a request from a dodgy fake news site...
https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/apa-blogs/apa-blog/2016/08/the-goldwater-rule
So no comments on all the above ninfan or can he still do no wrong?
Yeah it's not a paradigm of virtue like breitbart, ninfan if you're arguing about dodgy ethics and fake news then I think you're supporting the wrong guy.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38410027 ]so the new chummy relationship with the kremlin is to wind us back to 1970[/url]
most Trump policies seem to be based in the world as it was in the 70's. Still I guess it's more recent than the tories trying to return us to the 19th Century.
I deplore the sabre rattling by Trump, however probably from Trumps perspective the Russians have been undertaking a massive upgrade of their nuclear forces over the past few years and are continuing to do so.
At best the Russians have shown contempt for arms control and their rhetoric is driving the world in to a far more dangerous place
yes so entering the arms race is certainly a great help
TBH more nukes is a stupid idea as [ oh please say its true] not even trump is as stupid as use them so they are really large phallic threatening sticks with which to bully and intimidate others hence the appeal to the tint handed angry man child - on both sides of the divide to be fair.
Yup I was just pointing out that it's an unreasonable response to unreasonable action by one unreasonable man, so far it's a threat in response to actual warmongering by Russia
Not clear yet what he's proposing. Strengthen and expand nuclear [b]capability[/b] is what he said, not the arsenal, potential return of GLCM/SLCM as it's a highly effective mid range value for money solution? Alternatively he could be referring to confirmation/production of Trident successor (my suspicion of what he is referring to) which is due anyway
Trump's letters to Salmond. Enjoy!
Trump's letters to Salmond. Enjoy!
Mind boggling isn't it? Classic 'green ink' letters written by a name-calling moron who somehow has gotten to a position of huge power.
What worries me most is not so much the danger this poses. It's more "how did we let this happen?"
ninfan - Member
Not clear yet what he's proposing. Strengthen and expand nuclear capability is what he said,
Well it will probably be something either beneficial to his business or his major creditors or electoral backers.
Classic 'green ink' letters written by a name-calling moron who somehow has gotten to a position of huge power.
As opposed to an underachieving economist who rose to a position of little power and even that he failed to excersize effectively 🙂
Well it will probably be something either beneficial to his business or his major creditors or electoral backers.
Mike you've been wrong about pretty much everything about Trump on this thread and that post will be no different.
His business he has made his money, not really a big consideration for him going forward. It's all about the power now
Creditors, Trump doesn't GAS. He can borrow from anyone and his loans are contractual there are no favours to be done.
Electoral backers, no influence and far less than Clinton or Obama who both spent way more and had favours to repay.
Jamby,
Favours
Construction of a Trump office building in Buenos Aires is being held up due to an issue with the granting of a permit. The subject of the granting of the permit was reportedly discussed during the President-elect's first phone call with his Argentinian leader Mauricio Macri.
A large development in the ex-Soviet nation of Georgia, which had been put on hold in 2013, was reopened soon after Trump's election. It has been suggested that the Georgian government, implicated as it is in the consequences of the US-Russian relationship, may have supported the project in order to influence Trump's foreign policy in the region.
Creditors
Trump has borrowed up to $2.5 billion from Deutsche Bank in the last 20 years. The US Department of Justice is currently negotiating a settlement of up to $14 billion with the bank as a penalty for its predatory lending practices in the lead-up to the global financial crisis.
The settlement will be overseen by the incoming attorney-general, whom Trump will personally appoint.
Trump is a part-owner of a building in Manhattan that carries a $950 million debt, some of which is owed to a large government-owned bank in China.
As for Electoral backers I was referring to the Russians.
His business he has made his money, not really a big consideration for him going forward. It's all about the power now
If that was the case then he would have managed to come up with a plan for his business that doesn't involve his family. He wouldn't have had his daughter in a meeting with the Japaneese PM as she was trying to sign a deal with a state owned business in Japan.
No loan of that size is fixed, anything up there can be up for negotiation, he only needs to wait 4 years for his pay off
Mike you've been wrong about pretty much everything about Trump on this thread and that post will be no different.
I got wrong that there were enough idiots sucked in by his lies.
Currently he is (trying to) filling his cabinet with the sort of elite he would have hammered Clinton for employing.
He has not fixed conflict of interest - it's not trivial and will lead to plenty of mud sticking.
He is a thin skinned, hot headed egotistical narcacist. (see the China Drone Sub part, by the time he had tweeted it was all sorted and if he had read his briefing he would have known that)
Anyway time will tell, you can obviously see no wrong with anything he is doing.
Ive said twice now on this thread that nuclear armageddon started by trump on twitter would be beyond a joke
the orange faced clown is actually doing his best to make it happen
TBH more nukes is a stupid idea
It probably fits in with Trump's idea to build more stuff in the US.
"Plush diplomatic posts" 😯
Yup, Yeezus for ambassador?
Watching the "Real Marigold on Tour Florida"
Old Woman, "I was on the Kinder Transport", "I'm voting for Trump".
Escapes the Nazis, 70 years latter votes for a Nazi, sorry Alt-Right.
That bloke sounds very angry but he still has to bow to the American President and American Flag. Bow now. 😛rs - Member
https://medium.com/@ChrisWarcraft/****-you-donald-trump-c644ae3dd94c#.3qlnm7vkm
but he still has to bow to the American President and Flag. Bow now.
If you have to bow to a flag then that sounds just like the worst kind of dictatorship.
Chewkw, what's the goldman-sachs count now? 😉
😀cabal of shitgoblins
kimbers - Member
but he still has to bow to the American President and Flag. Bow now.
If you have to bow to a flag then that sounds just like the worst kind of dictatorship.
Nahh ... those are arguments about dictatorship is overrated. Not going to happen in Demon-cracy. Anyway, sometimes you need a dosh or two of dictatorship to set things right.
Chewkw, what's the goldman-sachs count now?
Does it matter? I am not bothered really. I am sure President-Elect Trump knows what he is doing unlike the previous administration. Now President-Elect may even have better insights into their working ... 😆
Does it matter? I am [b]TROLL[/b]
FIFY
More bankers, more "swamp dwellers", plenty who paid a significant amount for their job (cash to the campaign) and lots of shots at China but strangly quiet mostly on Russia...
mikewsmith - Member
More bankers, more "swamp dwellers", plenty who paid a significant amount for their job (cash to the campaign) and lots of shots at China but strangly quiet mostly on Russia...
Regardless of who they aim at the bottom line is that they Must destroy the culture of political correctness, coz political correctness from within cos that is a disease that is spreading. A much more dangerous disease.
Therefore, no need to target afar coz the closest one at home is the most dangerous.
China, Russian, EU & the world cannot do anything about America so not a concern at all even if nuclear war is trigger. I triple dare them to start one.
Most of the danger of America presidency come from their own people i.e. their electorate. At the moment they all infected by the pc disease so they better clean up their own home first ...
I am sure President-Elect Trump knows what he is doing unlike the previous administration. Now President-Elect may even have better insights into their working ..
have you ever considered hiring yourself out as an organic field fertiliser?
Chewkw, the biggest danger to the American presidency is the president elect, his stupidity is only surpassed by his ignorance and that only by his arrogance. Think I asked this before but can anyone name one positive thing about him? Not a negative thing about someone else, a positive thing about him, and not one that's a lie or based on a lie.
Please do not feed the troll.... 👿
Think I asked this before but can anyone name one positive thing about him?
He won the Presidency spending half the money ($500m) Clinton and Romney spent on losing ($1bn+ each) and half the money Obama spent winning in each of 2004 and 2008 ($1bn+) . He did so as he understands free publicity and he understands how the electoral college system works - both far better than the mkre experienced politicians
He won the Presidency with a decent chunk of the Republican establishment opposing him
He is very smart
He is very successful
He has raised very smart kids who are a credit to him
He has a can do attitude
In other news Obama is really plumbing the depths post Clinton losing the election. Instead of the usual quiet handover he has spent his time forcing through significant last minute legislation and initiatives which he did not have the courage to do before the vote knowing full well to do so would have been unpopular and vote losing for Democrats.
Trump will be in office in 3 weeks. He's going to be a success.
Once again, the left rely on calling people they disagree with stupid and dangerous because they can't win the political arguments.
"This right wing nutter will start a nuclear war"
A claim made by the democrats against every US presidential candidate since 1964
Tell me, how did the nuclear war that we were promised that Reagans sabre-rattling war-monger arms-race with Russia would inevitably lead us into work out?
Ninfan - indefatigable memberTell me, how did the nuclear war that we were promised that Reagans sabre-rattling war-monger arms-race with Russia would inevitably lead us into work out?
Hmmm, well the CIA got involved in destabilizing Afghanistan after the Soviet Union tried to invade, and ended up training the Taliban and their friends in how to overthrow a superpower. Which kind of led to a number of very nasty events.
So not great.
Jambalaya - ever entertaining
Trump will be in office in 3 weeks. He's going to be a success.
Possibly true. He's hired some smart people to help him which is a good sign. Whereas our PM has surrounded herself with has-beens and also-rans.
I think he may well be very successful at what he wants to achieve - to the detriment of many of those who voted for him.
He is very smart - according to what or who?
He is very successful - he inherited an eyewatering amount of money, that's not a criterion for success
He has raised very smart kids who are a credit to him - no, he spawed offspring who are using his wealth to make more
He has a can do attitude - except when it comes to paying taxes or bills
Trump will be in office in 3 weeks. He's going to be a success.
This, of course, is dependant on how you determine success. I predict a failure, but I have empathy for my fellow human beings.
Tell me, how did the nuclear war that we were promised that Reagans sabre-rattling war-monger arms-race with Russia would inevitably lead us into work out?
[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Archer_83 ]educate yourself [/url]
I read
Trump will be in office in 3 weeks. He's going to be a success.
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Trump will be in office for 3 weeks. He's going to be a (great) success.
He's hired some smart people to help him which is a good sign
Not necessarily: he has employed people who have vested interests in oil and banking. Not necessarily a good thing, or what the country needs. However, it is a good thing for what Trump needs.
He is very smart
He is very successful
He has raised very smart kids who are a credit to him
He has a can do attitude
The ultimate Jambafacts?
He's settled a fraud case against him by paying $25m in out-of-court settlements.
He's lived off his father's earnings, had numerous failed businesses, 4 bankruptcies and perpetuated nepotism. Oh, and a son who thinks refugees are like Skittles and is stupid enough to tweet a pic of his ballot paper (breaking the law and voiding his vote).
He's settled a fraud case against him by paying $25m in out-of-court settlements.
I'm not sure what your point is here? Everyone knows that America is litigious society, and that people often settle out of court without accepting fault as a way of limiting potential losses
In fact, you only need to look at the history of the Clintons to see how common it is...
DrJ - MemberFT article on #jambafacts
https://www.ft.com/content/333fe6bc-c1ea-11e6-81c2-f57d90f6741a
You're going to have to take some screenshots and post them up so us tightwads can see the article.
people often settle out of court without accepting fault as a way of limiting potential losses
$25 Million was less than the potential losses of the lawsuit which with the layers he can afford he should have won, assuming he wasn't in the wrong and going to lose no matter how good his lawyers were.
Typical right wing propaganda, the right is always in the right, no matter how much in the wrong they actually are.
Right troll fat enough for one day, plus my poking stick has broken from overuse. Off to shops to buy another.
Trump is very smart.....comedy gold.
BigButSlimmerBloke - Monsanto and Dow Agro Sciences have feeding you pesticide for years so no need for my fertiliser.
akira - yes, something positive about him is his ability to speak his mind, take risks and be himself to hit the PC hard. The stupid ones are those that loss the campaign and the losers that support the wrong persons they then refuse to accept that they lost.
Trump is bigly smart
Of course he's smart. He's got a load of fools to vote him in who he is going to shaft once he's in power.
slowoldman - Member
I think he may well be very successful at what he wants to achieve - to the detriment of many of those who voted for him.
Ya, that line of argument makes no more sense to the people who do not care if they are voting for flying pigs coz they just want to get rid of the previous administration. They don't care about whatever the Democrats are selling coz they don't buy them no matter how cheap they are selling.
Klunk & Slowoldman,
Or the oppositions are just dumber because they cannot even convince the fools.
Using able archer in isolation as an example is flawed those delightful folks in the eastern block had plenty of their own scary exercises.
Not to mention highly developed NBC arsenals.
You're going to have to take some screenshots and post them up so us tightwads can see the article.
I didn't read it myself, tbh. I assumed from the title that it was about a Macedonian teenager passing himself as a mtb'er and posting sh1te on an internet forum to supplement his allowance from clicks.
Trump promises to build nukes but probably wont. Obama says he'll make the world nuke free and spends more on warheads than any president ever.
Ya, that line of argument makes no more sense to the people who do not care if they are voting for flying pigs coz they just want to get rid of the previous administration.
Sounds a bit like the fools we have in the UK. Of course you're on their side too.
He is very smart
He is very successful
He has raised very smart kids who are a credit to him
He has a can do attitude
Yeah smart maybe, at least clever enough to avoid a press conference so far.
So if he is smart was he deliberately rattling China over the drone that had already been returned when he sad face tweeted?
How smart are his kids to be part of a money grabbing fund selling access to their dad, ivanka seems clever she got herself into a meeting with the Japanese pm to finalise her latest business deal.
What can he do? What does he want to do? Apart from being in the middle of the great right wing circle jerk what will he actually deliver, so far his policy statements have either been impossible or impractical. Then there are the ones he has flipped on.
Getting elected in some ways is the easy part.