I wonder if Trump is planning his biggest bankruptcy yet?
They went all in.
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Booooommm **** yeah.
it turns out that the majority of poor Americans supported Clinton. Trump was elected by the white and wealthy.
Not the correct analysis imho. Poor black people supported Clinton but less of them than for Obama - she was weak here. More Hispanics voted for Trump than Mitt Romney. Poor white people supported Trump. Clinton did not do well enough with Black voters as they didn't turn out for her, yes 80% voted democrat but many did not bother.
Most brits don't grasp how important the yanks take freedom of speech
Well Trump was an excellent choice for them then.
Children in America are "watching the internet and they want to be masterminds", Trump said in a speech."We're losing a lot of people because of the internet," Trump said. "We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening.
"We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people."
"I see the other day, and they're all talking about it so wonderfully, because, you know, it’s called freedom of the press, where you buy magazines and they tell you how to make these same bombs that I saw,' Trump said in an interview on on "Fox & Friends.""Now people will go crazy, they'll say, 'Oh Trump is against freedom of the press.' I’m not against. I’m totally in favor of freedom of the press. But how do you allow magazines to be sold?"
-- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-freedom-of-expression_us_57dfde58e4b04a1497b54f2f
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'merica's obviously got some nasty shit it wants done and they needed a muppet to take the heat. Step forward Trump.
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Referendum was the largest democratic excersize ever held in the UK
Moar #jambafacts
EU referendum - 33,577,342 votes. 72.21% turnout
Without even trying
1992 General Election - 33,614,074 votes. 77.7% turnout
(now you'll try and say a General Election isn't a "democratic excersize")
I can only hope that trump has played all this brilliantly and has made statements designed to capture the vote of the a number of specific demographics carefully calculated to bring this all home.
Tomorrow he'll turn about face on these statement,reveal it was an engineered voter strategy and inform us what his new brand of politics will bring.
Climate change denial and fossil fuels being the first thing he changes his mind on and the revelation that he does indeed believe in science.
Jambalaya and Wrecker, UK hasn't left yet.
Not the correct analysis imho. Poor black people supported Clinton but less of them than for Obama - she was weak here. More Hispanics voted for Trump than Mitt Romney. Poor white people supported Trump. Clinton did not do well enough with Black voters as they didn't turn out for her, yes 80% voted democrat but many did not bother.
Jambafacts again: 80% of black votes is apparently a "weak" performance by Clinton.
The cohort that won it for Trump is wealthier white people.
That or really couldn't care less.
Or didn't know how important it was...?
Jambalaya and Wrecker, UK hasn't left yet.
Not long now my friend.
Despite being made to look good compared to Trump, Clinton was a poor nominee. As someone smart recently said both Parties nominated the only candidate that could lose to the other. She was “least worse” for a lot of Democrats, ‘lease worse’ isn’t a great driver to get out and vote.
As other have said, lots of people, mostly it seems the ones who usually couldn’t give a monkey’s about politics wanted change, it’s been a long, hard, slog since 2008 for a lot of people and working class Americans in poor towns and cities especially.
Clinton offered ‘more of the same’ She is part of the ruling class, Wife of a former President, something She distanced herself from until the last week of the election and as others have said, offered little policies other than “look at the state of him”. For the record I don’t think Bernie could have won either, for generations lots of American’s can’t tell the difference between socialism and communism and both are a dirty word, and ‘Liberal’ is an insult.
What will Trump bring the US and the World? Tax cuts to the rich is a given, but ‘only’ the very very Rich, normal Millionaires need not apply, he can’t stand new-money Hedge Fund Managers and the like, as for the rest? Who knows – his plan to impose import tariffs on China and Mexico to bring jobs back to America is straight out of the old-school Socialist hand-book, it could almost be a Corbin policy, no way he’ll get that through the Senate.
As for the Wall? Could cost as much as $18bn I read, Mexico isn’t going to pay for it and he’d be a fool to piss Mexico off – he acts like they’re the naughty step-child and should do as he says, truth is that most of Mexico’s problem stem from their anti-drug policies imposed on them by the US, Mexico doesn’t have a massive consumption drug problem, Mexico has a massive drug production problem – like Columbia in the 80’s if they stop caring about drugs being exported into the US, the violence would go down massively, and if they turn a blind eye to the money it will flow into their economy. If I was Peña Nieto and Trump started pushing that wall on me, I’d have no problem standing in front of my own government and saying “For too long Mexico has suffered unspeakable violence stemming from the drug trade, but we don’t have many addicts, I’m going to decriminalize the lot and let the Gringos sort it out”.
"The cohort that won it for Trump is wealthier white people."
So not stupid people then?
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37921376 ]Canada's immigration website crashes during US vote[/url]
glad I put my request in last week!
wrecker - MemberJambalaya and Wrecker, UK hasn't left yet.
Not long now my friend.
Two and a half years at the earliest, but more than likely much, much longer, if at all. We can pull out on day 729 of A50 if we want.
Much water, many bridges, a tight result and post result polls suggesting a sway in feeling.
I wouldn't count your chickens just yet if I were you.
Wait till inflation is double digits, fuel £1.50 a litre, unemployment rising and wages falling and see how much support it has then amongst the protest voters then.
Been off line all day - has Clinton surfaced yet?
Wait till inflation is double digits, fuel £1.50 a litre, unemployment rising and wages falling and see how much support it has then amongst the protest voters then.
All of this is magnitudes less likely than us leaving the EU.
People slag off people whose votes used to put them into power, and they call them stupid.
Two and a half years at the earliest, but more than likely much, much longer, if at all. We can pull out on day 729 of A50 if we want.
Sadly that is not the case. Once we invoke Article 50 then we are out. If no agreement in negotiations are reached then we leave anyway. With nothing agreed.
My kids are filled with glee that the US is now run by President Fart... I think they have exactly the right perspective on all this nonsense 🙂
I challenge any person on here to provide evidence that their day to day life has been effected in any way whatsoever by this election over the following 12 months
Or as John Denham said:
Part of left's problem is it expects/demands blacks/hispanics to vote on ethnic basis but is appalled when whites do.
GrahamS, its a shame you weren't running Clinton's campaign #lightacandle
All of this is magnitudes less likely than us leaving the EU.
Hope you're right, about the economy anyway.
I guess we'll know more if / when someone dares put forward an actual plan for leaving. It's only been three and a half years since CMD and Co published a draft EU Referendum Bill - so, can't be long now eh?
What format it'll actually take once it's been debated and voted on in the Commons though...
"The cohort that won it for Trump is wealthier white people."So not stupid people then?
I don't know: how would you propose to measure that hypothesis?
imnotverygood - MemberTwo and a half years at the earliest, but more than likely much, much longer, if at all. We can pull out on day 729 of A50 if we want.
Sadly that is not the case. Once we invoke Article 50 then we are out. If no agreement in negotiations are reached then we leave anyway. With nothing agreed.
Whilst it's true that if no common ground can be found by the end of the 2 year period we leave without one, we can invoke Article 49 to rejoin - it's not an automatic thing, but it's unlikely the EU would refuse it.
Fair to say that Scotland's senior politicians (on all sides) haven't exactly heralded Trump's victory 😀
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37916648
now you'll try and say a General Election isn't a "democratic excersize
Well, I certainly wouldn't...
Pound's just jumped two points against the Euro.
Yay! Go go go President Fart!!
A lot of comments out there today about the rise of the far right..confirmed by many right wing parties being the first to congratulate Trump...
An older article but interesting. http://www.vox.com/2016/9/19/12933072/far-right-white-riot-trump-brexit
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Meanwhile Hillary is having a little holiday (ok vacation) at Guantanamo filming her new reality tv show, where she undergo's various trials voted for by the public. Week one is confirmed as waterboarding week.
John Stewart and his cohorts have been implicated by NSA investigations as leaders of the largest international peado network and upon sentencing will be entered into the inaugural Deathbowl to be screened next month.
The federal reserve announced the melting down of gold reserves for a Donald statue to replace the statue of liberty and go toward statues to be erected in every state oh and a Trump logo for the renamed Trump House.
A new system of war has been announced. Twice a year the Donald live on TV with a patriotic crowd chanting USA USA USA, spins a wheel with all the countries of the world listed, whatever it lands on get's bombed flat and turned into a wasteland.
He plans to abolish US time zones and replace existing time metrics with a system of his own devising, Donalds for hours and Trumps for minutes.
It was all predicted in BTTF 2.
Hillary speaking now, live on Sky website and tv
Canada's immigration website crashes during US voteglad I put my request in last week!
Canada's Immigration website crashes during a stiff breeze, this means nothing (speaking from bitter personal experience).
I challenge any person on here to provide evidence that their day to day life has been effected in any way whatsoever by this election over the following 12 months
If I'd put that bet on him becoming president months ago it might have changed things but other than that. . . . . .
After this I'm off to put a few quid on Kanye for the next one 😆
After this I'm off to put a few quid on Kanye for the next one
Eminem might be a better shout 😉
The thing that disappoints me most is not the thought of trump as president, its that there were enough people out there who voted for him based on what we know about him and what he came out with during the campaign
In reality I'm not sure he will go through with much of what he pledged. Hes not stupid, he knew there was a large population of disenchanted white voters and he played a blinder by telling them exactly what they wanted to hear.
Whilst I will make no secret of my contempt for the man, I'm not convinced that the end of the world is just round the corner, as many would beleive. As a previous poster as already alluded to, I'd rather have Trump in the office than that religious nut job Ted Cruz, who in my opinion would have been an even bigger disaster.
What amazes me most is that out of 300 m odd americans, there wasn't a better candidate for the job. I honestly beleive that the Democrats could have put forward a monkey in a suit and got ellected against Trunp, but instead they put forward the only person on earth that could lose against him.
Obama must have his head in his hands right now....
The thing that annoys me is not what happens in the next four years, because i suspect that should Trump not be able to keep his promises, those disencharnted voters that put Trump in the White House will just as quickly take it away again! No, the issue is that, imo, the President of the USA should be a figure head, a leader, and a role model. The thought that throughout the USA, children will get the message it's "OK" to be a racist, selfish, pig, and in fact, not just "ok" but actually advantageous, is a rather saddening one.....
Whilst I will make no secret of my contempt for the man, I'm not convinced that the end of the world is just round the corner, as many would beleive. As a previous poster as already alluded to, I'd rather have Trump in the office than that religious nut job Ted Cruz, who in my opinion would have been an even bigger disaster.
That's an excellent point.
The cohort that won it for Trump is wealthier white people.
Ransos just look at the map. The wealthy East and West coasts vote Democrat. Trump won with working class votes, predominantly white but he did better with Hispanics than Romney in 2012 and Black people did not turn out for Clinton in the way they did for Obama.
I'd rather have Trump in the office than that religious nut job Ted Cruz, who in my opinion would have been an even bigger disaster.
Yup me too. Cruz is well known to be further right than Trump.
Obama must have his head in his hands right now....
He's probably planning on when to piss in the kettle and skiff the pillow covers.
! No, the issue is that, imo, the President of the USA should be a figure head, a leader, and a role model. The thought that throughout the USA, children will get the message it's "OK" to be a racist, selfish, pig, and in fact, not just "ok" but actually advantageous, is a rather saddening one.....
Spot on. This is one of Obama's biggest attributes as President, and Trump is about as far away from that as you can get.
When they build the wall, they should write this on it:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
well Trump was essentially a democraticCruz is well known to be further right than Trump.
the problem is not his policies - of which we seem to have racism and pussy grabbing
He is just not fit for high office irrespective of what I think of his policies. He is petulant, self absorbed, prone to outbursts, acts without thinking, likes to bully and throw his weight around and he has very few morals in the pursuit of making himself richer and more powerful.
I am genuinely astounded so many folk could vote for a racist sexist, woman assaulting orange quifured man child with anger management issue.
Even ignoring his polices there is nothing to admire in him and nothing that would make me want him to be the head of my state never mind "the free world" with his finger on the nuclear trigger with no check on his authority
I'm looking forward to Charlie Brookers end of year review special, at this rate it is going to be a mini series at the very least or perhaps a trilogy to rival Lord of the Rings.
