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What exactly did Trump say pre-election that is going to be followed through on?
He doesn't become President until January.
He has announed the Trans Pacific Trade Deal which Obama signed will be canned. The EU TTIP deal is dead too IMO and there is a decent chance he will re-write NAFTA and add the UK.
There will be a wall/fence - it will be paid for with new tariffs or fees on money transfers
There will be "extreme" vetting
There will be less US military involvement globally and imo he will get laggard nato members to spend more on defence.
Crystal ball again Jamby, he may want to re write NAFTA but any changes need the others to agree.
Wall/Fence yeah awesome, boom in the tunnel industry
Extreme vetting - of what kind? With a religious bias will hit a wall
He doesn't become President until January.
Exactly, then he has to deal with the party he supposidly represents and tricky little things like the law and international politics.
The wall thing will be downgraded further to a fence, possibly a hedge with some brambles in?
No one really knows if he will manage to keep any of his pledges he's been a joke so far,
Draining the swamp has become employ the same old republicans he railed against.
Lock her up was just his appeal to the misogynists and was a fantasy, even with the partisan FBI
If trade is going to involve ambassador farage he really doesn't have a ****ing clue!
He can't put his KKK supporters back in the box after using all that racist rhetoric to get their support.
for a reality TV star he can't handle the media very well (apart from his alt-right chums at Breitbart)
There's no point in interviewing him anyway because he says what he really thinks in his 3am tweet.
Possibly his best idea this week (stiff competition though) has been suggesting that his chinless wonder of a son-in-law is a good shout for negotiating a peace settlement between Israel and Palestine 😯
Yes, other will have to agree. They will agree.mikewsmith - Member
Crystal ball again Jamby, he may want to re write NAFTA but any changes need the others to agree.
Nothing wrong with extreme vetting at all. Who are going to oppose Merica? EU? 😆Extreme vetting - of what kind? With a religious bias will hit a wall
Even if it is flower bed they still need to cross it. The question is how good are they at crossing.kimbers - Member
The wall thing will be downgraded to a fence, possibly a hedge written since brambles in?
Didn't realise there was already 386 miles of wall in place
What a racist git Obama must be to have allowed that?
Assuming that any new fence/wall will require an access road for construction and inspection, it could give another great long distance MTB route to go with the Tour Divide 🙂
What a racist git Obama must be to have allowed that!
Most politicians from both sides were looking at ways to make immigration work, document those that were there and give them a pathway to citizenship, basic carrot and stick policies. Trump's policy is stick and stick.
The racist part came from his frankly racist remarks, and his past company policies that explicitly discriminated against people who were not white.
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came from his frankly racist remarks,
Got any actual quotes there please?
QUOTE: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."WHEN AND WHERE: Trump made the remarks as he announced his run for the Republican nomination for president at Trump Tower Atrium in Manhattan on June 16, 2015 -- setting the tone for an unpredictable and polarizing campaign.
Trump has continued this week to defend his claim that he saw thousands celebrating, telling New Hampshire television news network NH1 on Tuesday, “If you look at for instance where I said the thousands of Muslims were cheering. It turned out to be true.”But despite Trump’s claims, no media outlet or Trump’s campaign has uncovered any reports from the time confirming that “thousands and thousands” of Muslims in New Jersey celebrated the Sept. 11 attacks.
QUOTE: "I think Islam hates us," Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper after he was asked whether he thinks Islam is at war with the West. "There's a tremendous hatred. We have to get to the bottom of it. There is an unbelievable hatred of us."
QUOTE: "I saw him. He was, you know, very emotional. And probably looked like -- a nice guy to me. His wife, if you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably -- maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say."WHEN AND WHERE: Trump made the comments about Khizr Khan, right, and his wife Ghazala on Friday, July 29, 2016, the day after Khan challenged the candidate while mourning his son on the final night of the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia. Humayun Khan, a Muslim U.S. Army captain, was killed in Iraq in 2004. Trump, with his remarks to ABC News on Friday -- and which aired Sunday -- insinuated that Ghazala Khan had stood silently by her husband onstage because her Muslim faith does not encourage her to speak up. The mother explained that she was too distraught to speak with a huge photo of her son behind her at Wells Fargo Center.
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When asked to provide evidence for his claim that Latino immigrants crossing the border were rapists on CNN's "The Situation Room," Trump told host Don Lemon he got his information from a Fusion article.When Lemon corrected him -- explaining that article actually said 80 percent of women and girls from Central America are raped by human smugglers, gang members other migrants or government authorities while immigrating to the U.S. -- Trump shot back dismissing the victims and suggesting Latino immigrants were the ones raping the victims.
He Said His Followers Were “Passionate” After Being Told Two Men Beat A Hispanic Man In His Name
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When award-winning Hispanic journalist Jorge Ramos attempted to ask Trump questions about his immigration stance during a press conference in Iowa, the presidential candidate refused to respond because he said Ramos had spoken out of turn. As Ramos attempted to finish his question, security approached him and physically removed him. Right before he was ejected from the conference, Trump told Ramos: "Go back to Univision." On the way out a Trump supporter confronted the journalist, a U.S. citizen, and said: "You were very rude. It's not about you. Get out of my country." Ramos was eventually allowed back into the press conference to ask his question.
and his history...
The FactsThe Justice Department lawsuit against Donald Trump, his father, Fred Trump, and the Trump company, which owned 39 buildings with 15,000 apartments, actually marks the first mention of Donald J. Trump in The New York Times. The front page headline on Oct. 16, 1973, said: “Major Landlord Accused of Antiblack Bias in City.” Regarding the charges, Trump was quoted: “They are absolutely ridiculous.”
According to Kranish and Fisher, the Justice Department lawsuit was “one of the most significant racial bias cases of the era.” It was based on evidence gathered by testers for the New York City Human Rights Commission, who documented that black people were told no apartments were available in Trump properties while white testers at the same time were immediately offered apartments. In a sampling of 10 Trump buildings, only 1 to 3.5 percent of the occupants were minorities, making it one of the strongest cases the Justice Department had ever seen for violations of the Fair Housing Act.
All the Justice Department wanted was to obtain a settlement in which Trump and his father would promise not to discriminate. But Trump instead hired Roy Cohn, a notoriously combative attorney, and countersued the Justice Department for $100 million ($500 million in today’s dollars) for making false and misleading statements. But his allegations were dismissed by the courts, and two years of litigation later, Trump decided in 1975 to settle before the case went to trial.
so yeah I'll call him a racist, if he doesn't like it then he can get on with that.
So, comments about [b]some[/b] Mexicans - Mexico not being a race
Comments about Muslims - Muslim not being a race
uNFoRtuNaTe RACisM fAiL
So just xenophobic making disparaging remarks about other people with no basis in fact, I guess with your head so far up him it's hard to see perspective.
Good to see you admit to being wrong, well done. Maybe you'll show a bit more balance and very less likely to uncritically jump on a media bandwagon in the future.
Let's face it, its Obama's police forces that have been shooting black people left right and centre, far more of a worry than anything Trump has done or said.
Perhaps you could try it sometime ninfan of all the times, you have been caught out.... BTW the last exanple was racist where they denied housing to Black people and were caught. Settling with a case like that does send you right over to the guilty side. Perhaps he has suddenly changed but the hate speach doesn't make it sound like he has.
As I'm sure you understand the only Federal Police are the FBI who I don't think have been out shooting people, Obama has been doing a lot towards these issues, but I guess you just want to delfect stuff away from Trump as much as possible.
Your last example shows something that his company was [b]alleged[/b] to have done, to which you appear to be applying vicarious liability, with no evidence that it even happened (settled out of court) let alone that Trump was personally involved in any decisions to discriminate.
To use the above example, it's Like calling Obama racist because a policeman shoots an unarmed black man
really really really it isn't
It was based on evidence gathered by testers for the New York City Human Rights Commission, who documented that black people were told no apartments were available in Trump properties while white testers at the same time were immediately offered apartments. In a sampling of 10 Trump buildings, only 1 to 3.5 percent of the occupants were minorities, making it one of the strongest cases the Justice Department had ever seen for violations of the Fair Housing Act.
Your basically calling the NYC HRC liars, the Justice Department liars etc.
Obama does not run the Police they are part of the state set up....
another of his open minded triumphs
Earlier in that same year Trump helped fan the flames of racial resentment when black and Latino teens were arrested in the infamous “Central Park jogger” attack. Trump alone chose to pay for $85,000 worth of full-page newspaper ads trumpeting, in capital letters, “BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY. BRING BACK OUR POLICE!” In the text Trump objected to then-Mayor Ed Koch’s plea for peace: Mayor Koch stated that “hate and rancor should be removed from our hearts. I do not think so.”
As Trump and other New Yorkers indulged in hate and rancor, the five accused were subjected to intense interrogation, most without their parents present, and gave false confessions. After years in prison, they were exonerated by DNA evidence. A book and a documentary film on the case showed how fear and race played substantial roles in the wrongful convictions but Trump, who fanned the flames, remained steadfast in his views. When the men received compensation for their imprisonment, Trump denounced the payments and smeared the men by saying, “These young men do not exactly have the past of angels.”
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FORTUNEDOTCOM.FILES.WORDPRESS.COM “Black guys counting my money! I hate it”Next in the Trump record on race came a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, who had been president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City. O’Donnell quoted Trump saying,“ Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes… Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else…Besides that, I tell you something else. I think that’s guy’s lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.”
O’Donnell’s report was shocking, but Trump did not contest it at the time. In 1997 he was interviewed for Playboy by author Mark Bowden and he confirmed that the O’Donnell book was “probably true.”
A telling moment arose during a 1993 Congressional committee hearing on gambling casino operated by Indian tribes. Trump, who considered the tribes competitors, offered a flourish of insensitivity during his testimony when he said, “They don’t look like Indians to me and they don’t look like Indians to Indians.”Trump also said that tribal gaming operators were somehow tied to organized crime and a scandal was about to erupt. “In the 19 years I have been on this committee, I have never seen such irresponsible remarks,” Rep. George Miller (D., Calif.) shouted back to Trump. (Decades later, the industry is still waiting for the scandal that Trump predicted.)
Such a lovely man...
If when The Don said this would be "Brexit Plus Plus Plus", he was referring to the amount of backpedaling that would take place once he had won, he was exactly right.
Come on ninfan, tell us how saying 'laziness is a trait in blacks' isn't racist. Probably someone disguised as Trump planted there by that Muslim Obama I guess?
Let's face it, its Obama's police forces that have been shooting black people left right and centre, far more of a worry than anything Trump has done or said.
Interesting that you think Obama has the last word in USA politics. It'll probably explain why he's been able to steamroller so much legislation through.
And yet under Obama the police are shooting less people than ever in America
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What's changed is technology, now that there are body cams on officers and everyone has a video camera in their pocket, unjustifiable shootings by police can no longer be brushed under the carpet, perhaps inspired by Obama people have been emboldened to speak out, hence black lives matter.
Also worth noting that some police federations broke with convention and supported trump, wonder how much overlap there is between the police and those alt-right Heil Trumpers?
Trump and his family are all paid-up members of the NRA, and has gone on record saying he would not limit guns, even big guns (the interviewer even mentioned mortars, grenades etc) in any way.
I think we can safely assume that Trump's time in office wont see a reduction in gun ownership, and probably gun violence.
Oops my graph is for police killed
Turns out no one collects a full list of people killed by police in the USA
But looks like the numbers have remained constant under obama
The problem seems to be that the policehave become militarised, especially since 9/11
Something Obama has tried to stop
Coz of course every cop in America needs a tank 😯
http://leftinalabama.com/alabama-police-departments-arming-themselves-with-military-equipment/
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Come on ninfan, tell us how saying 'laziness is a trait in blacks' isn't racist. Probably someone disguised as Trump planted there by that Muslim Obama I guess?
The fact that the lefties have to dig around for hearsay ([i]hearsay: ?h??se?/ noun - information received from other people which cannot be substantiated; rumour[/i]) from an employee in a 1991 book to get a quote that approaches Trump allegedly saying anything actually racist proves my point.
from the article: [i]In [b]May 2015[/b], Barack Obama barred the federal government from providing some military equipment to American police departments[/i]something Obama has tried to stop
When did he become president again?
Ninfan You appear to be stuck in a loop.
Saying Mexicans are rapists isn't racist?
I await your dizzying leaps of logic to explain that.
The Heil trumpers video exposing the alt-right for what it is seems to have knocked you of kilter.
Saying Mexicans are rapists isn't racist?
Only he didn't say that, did he?
ninfan: what [i]is[/i] your take on Richard Spencer's "Hail Trump" speech and the "saluting" at the National Policy Institute?
Does that worry you at all or do you see that as leftie handwringing?
ninfan: what is your take on Richard Spencer's "Hail Trump" speech and the "saluting" at the National Policy Institute?
Are there Nazis in the USA? Of course there are, have been for decades. Can a politician be responsible for all the crazies that support him? Would Corbyn be responsible for the actions of, say, animal rights extremists that support Labour? Would Obama be responsible for the Black Panthers?
Trump has openly disavowed and condemned them. What more can he do?
dig around for hearsay (hearsay: ?h??se?/ noun - information received from other people which cannot be substantiated; rumour) from an employee in a 1991 book to get a quote that approaches Trump allegedly saying anything actually racist proves my point.
That's my take on all this.
Trump's been in the public eye for decades and been under intense media scrutiny for the last year or so. If he was a Racist, or routinely Sexually Assaulting people or a Nazi the evidence would be overwhelming.
The fact that literally a handful of flimsy one-off stories are the only evidence for this stuff goes some way to demonstrating that he isn't any of those things. (Obviously absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, but even so.)
I think most people outside the USA would agree that based on what we've seen and heard so far he was an inferior candidate to Hillary, but that's a different (and more useful) debate.
He does seem to be opening himself up to all sorts of problems concerning "conflict of interest"
ninfan - Member
Didn't realise there was already 386 miles of wall in place
Aye loads of people don't realize that, the amount of walls going up in this world and that know one knows about then saddens me.
THEGUARDIAN.COM "future programs should definitely be placed with other agencies."
How is that "eliminating"?
Trump's been in the public eye for decades and been under intense media scrutiny for the last year or so. If he was a Racist, or routinely Sexually Assaulting people or a Nazi the evidence would be overwhelming.
The fact that literally a handful of flimsy one-off stories are the only evidence for this stuff goes some way to demonstrating that he isn't any of those things. (Obviously absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, but even so.)
So we should be a be to find a handful of flimsy one of stories for any other celeb that's been in the spotlight for decades then?
outofbreath - Member
"future programs should definitely be placed with other agencies."How is that "eliminating"?
Well, I'd agree, in lieu of any information it's difficult to say. I could speculate, but I won't, beyond asking... Do you have any confidence that it will be suitably replaced? I don't.
The bigger question is why the need to take it out of NASA's hands? What is political about NASA researching it? Seems extreme to kill good work, just because you disagree with the answers. That would seem, eer, political to me..
Absolutely a fact that race relations have declined under Obama. Black people didn't come out to vote for Hillary at least in part as the Democrats have been a big dissapointment to them. Overall imo this is his biggest failing and so different from what I and many Americans had hoped for. Black Lives Matter (complete with its anti-semitic sideline) is a much Obama's legacy as Iran nuclear deal and the disastrous withdrawl from Iraq.
EDIT: kimbers agreed its quite shocking the US does not officially recird police shootings, I believe it's not even done at a State level. Campaigners do it from newspaper cuttings
Mike I do admire your tenacity as pretty everything you said about how the election would turn out has been proven wrong. Hillary outspent Trump 2:1 and lost, that's extra-ordinary in US politics. The fact Trump is such a flawed candidate but still won easily says all you need to know about Clinton.
Hamas have been speaking on Palastinian TV. Apparently Trump might be Jewish as he loves Jews and money (which is the Jewish religion apparently). For "balance" Abbas is a Jew too according to Hamas.
Absolutely a fact that race relations have declined under Obama
What data are you using, how is 'race relations' measured?
Only he didn't say that, did he?
Correct! He actually stated that 'Some...are good people.' Clearly not ALL Mexicans are raping hordes of criminals.
He loves 'them'. Like he loves 'The Blacks' (TM)
Mike I do admire your tenacity as pretty everything you said about how the election would turn out has been proven wrong. Hillary outspent Trump 2:1 and lost, that's extra-ordinary in US politics. The fact Trump is such a flawed candidate but still won easily says all you need to know about Clinton.
What it tells you is the general dissatisfaction with politics and the fact there is a lurch to the idiot who promises everything with no real hope of delivering it. latest figures have Hillary winning the popular by 1.7 million and the overall difference between Her and Trump was under 200,000 votes I think.
Whatever I said about the result still doesn't take away the fact that Trump is a liability, a racist, a xenophobe, a hate pedaller and another like the Brexit mob who have promised to earth (often in contradiction) to many groups with no real way to deliver. If you thought the baying crowds who supported him were vocal wait until he doesn't deliver.
As said previously he now has to manage to sort out his conflict of interest and learn to live within the rules.
Kerley primarily around BLM and shootings. The first black President held out so much hope for so many.
Absolutely a fact that race relations have declined under Obama. Black people didn't come out to vote for Hillary at least in part as the Democrats have been a big dissapointment to them. Overall imo this is his biggest failing and so different from what I and many Americans had hoped for. Black Lives Matter (complete with its anti-semitic sideline) is a much Obama's legacy
poppycock
Black Lives matter has come about because Obama has given voice to African Americans, previously too afraid to speak out against the system.
The back lash against Obama from the dwindling white demographic in America as evidenced by the rise of Breitbart and the alt-right, who are the actual anti-semites (black lives matter criticism of israel is nothing compared to them) has amplified this.
Coupled with technology exposing the realities of an ever more militarised police (and citizens) and how they deal with black people in America.
Just as with the Civil Rights movement in the 60s it is taking protest to draw attention to the situation.
The first black President held out so much hope for so many.
and was shut down by a Rep Congress who did everything the could to stop any policy he had. Such a shame that a very good man was stopped by a backwards and oppressive group who want to preserve the rights of rich old white men to dictate what others should do. See the pics on the other page, not much will change.
"and was shut down by a Rep Congress who did everything the could to stop any policy he had."
You want Congress to give the President free reign to do whatever he wants?
I think these safeguards are going to be very handy.
Yes they can, well done with the selective quoting. The point being you can't blame Obama for the lack of progress. What he achieved in 2 years was significant. It was posted before.
Nice to see Trump has appointed a Creationist as Secretary of Education.. 😆
So we should be a be to find a handful of flimsy one of stories for any other celeb that's been in the spotlight for decades then?
Black Lives matter has come about because Obama has given voice to African Americans, previously too afraid to speak out against the system.
Someone should have told these guys they were too afraid to speak out against the system:
ninfan - Member
So we should be a be to find a handful of flimsy one of stories for any other celeb that's been in the spotlight for decades then?
I think it's exactly the sort of stuff you wanted Clinton locked up for...
2 standards and all 😉
Trump has openly disavowed and condemned them. What more can he do?
Disavowing and condemning them is good and should be applauded.
But you do have to worry when groups like that (and [url=
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It's interesting watching the fallout from him disavowing them too. Some [url=
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Spencer isn't a nazi. He's an intellectual, far more so than most of the right and all of the left. You're buying into the false media narrative that anyone who sticks up for white interests must want another holocaust.
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This constant virtue signaling needs to finally end
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Trump! Enough with the disavowing!!!!
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Stop the disavowing already! NO MORE!
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ANOTHER LIAR , LIED TO GET ELECTED. I knew he was always a liberal but I voted for him to STOP the liberal extremist Hillary.
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Trump is just playing strategic politics with a multitude of PC-Worshipping types ... Just read these 2 articles and you will be able to figure out why he's saying these kinds of PC-sounding-things. It's bcs he needs 51 Senate votes for each of his 1400 nominations, out of a total of 4,000 appointments ...
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Trump does what he must, we must also.
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To me, the further "right" we get, the closer to Christ and that's a good thing
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..the guys doing the Nazi salutes only do so because they don't believe Hitler was as bad as he's been made out to be, and it's part of the agenda to demonise and shame white people into not defending themselves.
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Mods, you might want to clean the crap off this board before CNN picks it up and uses it as screen shot against Trump.
Just been watching/reading some of the coverage of that Alt-Right video.
Quite a lot of folk in comments seem to have decided that it was a "false flag" operation and that Spencer (and possibly all of alt-right) are government plants 🙄
Also there are, as ever, a scary number of complete nutters out there who have a very tenuous grasp on any reality that I recognise.
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there is a lurch to the idiot who promises everything
There's no lurch to Trump at all, he polled less votes than the last two Republicans and they both lost.
Fewer!
Nice to see Trump has appointed a Creationist as Secretary of Education..
Ah OK it's becoming clearer which era Trump has in mind when wanting to make America great again.
UN Ambassador is first woman appointment, daughter of Indian immigrants.
Creationist, ie a religious person ? That's the US for you. I imagine many world leaders are "creationists"
@alpin that's clutching at straws. "Activists" (aka keyboard warriors) not the Clinton Campaign / Democrats ?
People are just going to have to suck it up and get on with dealing with Trump the next President
UN Ambassador is first woman appointment, daughter of Indian immigrants.
She's quite fit too.
Creationist, ie a religious person ?
No, they are nor synonyms.
If you can't see the idiocy of putting a Creationist in charge of education you have problems!
President Elect Trump.
Who would have thought ya ...
I have to keep watching all the Youtube leading to his victory to understand all that happened ...
I mean he defeated all those candidates, all with such vast political experiences, out from nowhere to be the President Elect.
Woww! Just woww!
President Elect Trump.
Who would have thought ya ...
I have to keep watching all the Youtube leading to his victory to understand all that happened ...
I mean he defeated all those candidates, with a campaign based on hate, lying, stupidity, sexism and racism, out from nowhere to be the President Elect.
Woww! Just woww!
I mean he defeated all those candidates, with a campaign based on hate, lying, stupidity, sexism and racism, out from nowhere to be the President Elect.
Woww! Just woww!
See Brexit for similar !
There's no lurch to Trump at all, he polled less votes than the last two Republicans and they both lost.
Mostly there was a lurch to "not voting" in the Democrat camp.
If you had put a stuffed toy up instead of Hilary, there would have been a landslide.
As one commentator put it, many of the protesters that we have seen have been marching right past the polling station that they didn't use.
I guess part of that problem was that a lot of people are disillusioned with the system and want change.
For some people that change was Trump, but the people who wanted change but definitely didn't want Trump had no one to vote for.
tell that to Farage 😉People are just going to have to suck it up and get on with dealing with Trump the next President
I disagree because Trump showed/give people hope with light at the end of the tunnel while the oppositions were trying to dim the light of the people.kimbers - Member
See Brexit for similar !akira - Member
I mean he defeated all those candidates, with a campaign based on hate, lying, stupidity, sexism and racism, out from nowhere to be the President Elect.
I disagree because Trump showed/give people hope with light at the end of the tunnel while the oppositions were trying to dim the light of the people.
He promised them the moon on a stick. Let's see if he can deliver it.
Your trolling is getting a bit weak chewkw, why don't you get a good night sleep and try again tomorrow. Light at the end of the tunnel, genius...
Yes, let's see if he can change things for the better but the process will be slow as the long term rot set in long time ago. People have nothing to loose tbh coz the alternative is being fed to the giant alligators in the swamp.oldnpastit - Member
He promised them the moon on a stick. Let's see if he can deliver it.
Trump does give hope to the people who refuse to give in to the alligators in the swamp (that's the Merican description). People believe in him than the alternatives. Look at the alternatives with all their youth, good looks etc ... yet people trusted Trump.akira - Member
Your trolling is getting a bit weak chewkw, why don't you get a good night sleep and try again tomorrow. Light at the end of the tunnel, genius...
Hope?
The KKK and alt-right supporters he courted certainly had hope
Sadly it wasn't hope but hate that seems to have been his motivator of Thomas Mair today he was convinced of the terrorist murder of MP Jo Cox, he too was motivated by the hatred and lies spread by politicians, this time from the vote leave campaign and he was helped by those same Trump loving white supremacists web sites in the USA.
"Britain first, this is for Britain.
"Britain will always come first.
"We are British independence.
"Make Britain independent."
Is what he shouted as he stabbed her
There's nothing positive in using fear and hate to get votes.
Trump has used the same tactics to win his election, let's hope he doesn't illicit the same response.
Bigger Stronger Faster
The Side Effects of Being American
Yes, That is the reason people voted for Trump because they see Trump as a person that can better their livelihood after so many years of hardship. Even people in Chicago feel cheated for voting Obama as they felt used.kimbers - Member
Hope?
What "rot" exactly were these "alligators" doing chewkw? Specifically?
Goldman Sachs et al. They feed the alligators.GrahamS - Member
What "rot" exactly were these "alligators" doing chewkw? Specifically?
Slightly old information on the [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/what-price-the-new-democracy-goldman-sachs-conquers-europe-6264091.html ]naughty boy club.[/url]
Well yes, they have $861 billion in assets and 38,400 employees.
I imagine they feed quite a lot of people.
You think Trump is going to shut down Goldman Sachs??
GrahamS - Member
Well yes, they have $861 billion in assets and 38,400 employees.I imagine they feed quite a lot of people.
You think Trump is going to shut down Goldman Sachs??
The world population is about 7 billion so what percentage is that they are exploiting to feed the few?
Nobody can do that alone against such powerful institution but you never know.
Goldman Sachs et al. They feed the alligators
You do know that Trump has s very good relationship with bankers, they've finances many of his business and he's using ex bankers including ex Goldman Sachs in his team to run the country?
Yes, he does know them but so are most business or non-business people. Yes, the current administration is full of Goldman's people ... or feed by them ...kimbers - Member
You do know that Trump has s very good relationship with bankers, they've finances many of his business and he's using ex bankers including ex Goldman Sachs in his team to run the country?
Um what, you even sound like trump now.
I thought Trump's "drain the swamp" rhetoric was mainly about removing power from lobbyists and special interests groups (which I sort of support actually, though I suspect that he and I would disagree on which lobbyists are the problem!)
Did he ever say anything in his campaign about shutting down Goldman Sachs?
GrahamS - MemberI thought Trump's "drain the swamp" rhetoric was mainly about removing power from lobbyists and special interests groups (which I sort of support actually, though I suspect that he and I would disagree on which lobbyists are the problem!)
Did he ever say anything in his campaign about shutting down Goldman Sachs?
Ya, part of the drain the swamp exercise is to get rid of those lobbyists who are feed by Sachs etc ... Not shutting them down but keep them at bay.
Yes, there is disagreement hence the ones you support are out while the new ones in.(which I sort of support actually, though I suspect that he and I would disagree on which lobbyists are the problem!)
@paton that looks interesting, watched the first 7 mins but it's 2 hours. Do you have a summary ?
Whether Trump got less votes than McCain or Romney is irrelevant, he got less votes than Hillary and won. This is exactly what Trump means by being smart. He won. He won by understanding the system and he won like that old joke about not having to run faster than a bear just faster than your friend.
What I think is that Trump is actually going to do ok, no worse than Obama and certainly no worse than G W Bush.
What I think is that Trump is actually going to do ok, no worse than Obama and certainly no worse than G W Bush.
mmmm, optimistic. I am thinking no worse than Hitler.
I am thinking its impossible to tell as the only certainty is he will be very divisive internally and incredibly toxic outside the Us of A
His idea to be president and run his company is nuts on so many levels
He's said 50% in Manhattan 50% in DC 😆
Its almost as though he doesn't have a clue !