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so he in no way tried to influence the election by leaking emails etc.

Well, certain people who had both everything to lose and a long history of sabre rattling against Russia, made lots of non-specific and unproven claims that Russia was involved in feeding hacked data to wikileaks

Are the Russians cyber-spying on the US? Of course they are, just like the US is cyber-spying on every country in existence, while god only knows what elections the CIA have tampered with over the years

we could have seen a recession.

post truth politics

Brexiter post truth politics is all about denial of the damage the vote alone has done.

The trouble is project fear predicted armagedon, not a wet Wednesday afternoon. So nobody cares. Maybe remain shouldn't have made stuff up?

Politics has always been about telling the best lies

Brexit & Trump campaigns set dizzying new heights of BS.

Once you take a huge lie repeat it constantly, write it on a bus and drive it around the country stopping for endless photo ops, well its the definitive test for post truthism 😉

Politics has always been about telling the best lies

So what's the problem then?

Brexit & Trump campaigns set dizzying new heights of BS.

There's lies, there's big lies and then there's brexiter lies.....

Let's see what the batshit pro leave torygraph says....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/22/eu-referendum-fact-checking-the-big-claims1/

We all knew both sides were lying about everything. Cameron wins the most epic lie of the campaign with his war in Europe prophesy. That's a monster of a porker.

so few people buy papers or even watch tv news and those that do tend to be a certain demographic (ie generally educated white liberals).

Aren't the Sun and the Mail the papers with the highest circulation?

There's lies, there's big lies and then there's brexiter lies.....

Politics has always been about telling the best lies

@cody thanks for that LSE blog, interesting

@kimbers if you don't mind me saying you are making a mistake and are in denial, "we only lost because the other side lied bigger and better". Trump and Leave addressed specific issues voters care about, that's why they won.

Going through a few Brexit headlines form the leave media the "specific issues" were clear:

"Brexit poll boost as migrations fears grow"

"Fury over plot to let 1.5m Turks into Britain - N° 10 accused of cover-up before Brexit vote"

"Warning on UK Muslin ghettos"

"Deadly cost of our open borders"

"We'll bring in a tough Australian style points system to slash arrivals from EU". - a quote not a headline

"Queen backs Brexit"

"Patients at risk from EU doctors"

I was looking for something other than xenophobia but that's all I could find.

Trump and Leave addressed specific issues voters care about, that's why they won.

They lied and made stuff up/sound worse than it was, offered solutions that are never going to be implemented and things that were out of their control.

Voters care about immigration and they played to that. Can you tell me what Brexit will do for immigration, what will the net migration number will be per year (and via what approach) and how much better off people will be with less of those nasty immigrants?
No, didn't think so....

headlines form the leave media

How odd - how does the 'right wing media brainwashing' theory fit in to Trump

NONE of the mainstream media supported him, yet he still won.

NONE of the mainstream media supported him, yet he still won.

Fox news was pretty supportive.

And of course the FBI sticking their oar in at the last moment didn't help.

Voters care about immigration and they played to that. Can you tell me what Brexit will do for immigration, what will the net migration number will be per year (and via what approach) and how much better off people will be with less of those nasty immigrants?
No, didn't think so....

My view but as I cannot guaranty the future and could not have done so even if we had remained in the EU thats all anyone can do. People are against unctrolled freedom of movement as its a stupid idea particularly between countries of significantly varying economic prosperity.

We will have total control of immigration, the government of the day will decide how many people will arrive each year as we will have a visa based system from 2019 onwards. There will be no freedom of movement from the EU.

We will be much better off due to being able to control immigration via skills based applications and by focusing trade on the growth markets of the world not the stagnant EU

I watched CNBC in the weeks before the election.

I can't say they were overly supportive of Trump. The sure gave Hilary a hard time though. Little quips, little digs. They didn't want to be on the losing side.

[url= http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/28/sorry-hillary-fridays-headlines-will-be-about-trump-commentary.html ]CNBC well before the election[/url]

The interview with the Queen of Punk [url= http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/13/wouldnt-vote-for-donald-trump-or-evil-hillary-clinton-vivienne-westwood.html ] was typical of CNBC reporting.[/url] Let other people say it for you.

People are against unctrolled freedom of movement as its a stupid idea particularly between countries of significantly varying economic prosperity.

And yet 50 US states allow just that.

The EU isn't stagnant, I posted a graph that showed growth that I hoped you'd notice, Jamba. Even chosing a really unfavourable time period the EU shows growth, the UK too, but a bit less.

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Growth since 2012 has continued before you point out that the graph is four years old.

US freedom of movement, yup that's the EU dream a United States of Europe - one of the main reasons I campaigned for Leave. The US had a civil war to get there. No thanks.

Many different graphs are possible, that's an adjusted gdp calculation. Unemployment at 10-12% France, Spain, Italy .... youth unemployment 25-40% and that's before we get to what the mismangement of the euro has done to Greece.

Wife told me TV where interviewing PS supporters who complained about having to give €4 to UMP but it was worth it as they don't want Sarkozy/Fillion so will vote for Jupe. Nuts.

Unemployment under 10% in France even if you include the DOM-TOM and 9.5% if you don't.

2e each to vote. And we got 7 pieces of paper with names on (6 of which we can keep) along with an envelope. There was a cheery welcome, we met a friend, good value for money. Junior's name was on the electoral register just below mine but "procuration" votes weren't allowed.

I really believe there were more FN voters intruding than socialists. Socialists have principles which include not funding the enemy hence the PS people moaning

Of course, Europe is not stagnant. It is growing slightly less than the UK

Trump and Leave addressed specific issues voters care about, that's why they won.

Addressed? They lied pure and simple. Their solutions are a mirage and the people who have put their faith in either will be disappointed and disappointed badly. They have been fooled by snake oil salesman and they will ultimately be the losers. Great shame.

We will have total control of immigration, the government of the day will decide how many people will arrive each year as we will have a visa based system from 2019 onwards. There will be no freedom of movement from the EU.

You admit you can't see into the future but you seem to think you know exactly what will be happening in 2019?
What failsafe systems will be in place (by 2019) to even know who is in the country as we don't currently?

I can't see into the future either but by 2019 I predict that very little will have changed and we will still have freedom of movement as part of the best deal we can get.

Just need to wait 2 years now to see who is right....

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oldnpastit - Member

NONE of the mainstream media supported him, yet he still won.

Fox news was pretty supportive.

And of course the FBI sticking their oar in at the last moment didn't help.

Watch 7:40 ...

Very funny clip.

Well those predicting the choice of an extremist candidate in the French primaries were wrong. We have Fillon and Juppé, two different flavours of mainstream liberalism. I'm more sparing with my predictions than Jamba but my 50p goes on Fillon to be next president. I think a lot of people voting today felt they were voting for the next president and if I'm right he was chosen by around 2% of the population, today. The right-wing, church-going, business-owning French have had their day.

Edukator - Reformed Troll

Edukator Fillion more right wing than Sarko ? There where no extreme candidates today ? Stats I saw for voting where something like;

Centre/right 63%
Left 15%
Wouldn't say 14%
Front National 8%

As I said a crazy process where so many opponents of Republicans can vote for their candidate

Agreed whoever wins the Republican slot (most likely Fillion) is going to be favourite come April/May, tactical voting and all that. Even if Le Pen is ahead it won't get reported.

Happy to wait @kerley

On a serious note.

New Star Wars was totes awesums thou Abrams smashed it.

In terms of fiscal and economic policy Fillon is further right than Sarkozy. In terms of cleaning up places with a Karcher he is less to the right. He represents la France Manif pour tous: conservative, Catholic and selfish. The closest to Thatcher France has seen. I'm clearly being manipulated by my local media so don't take any notice of me. 😉

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http://ambrosiaforheads.com/2016/11/beastie-boys-mca-adam-yauch-park-anti-hate-rally/

White [s]supremacist[/s] nationalist alt-right gather to celebrate Trumps victory.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/us/alt-right-salutes-donald-trump.html

And still Trump whines on twitter is not fair to challenge Mike Pence on bigotry

More sore loser leftie agitprop eh?

If those really are attempts at drawing swastikas I don't think we have much to fear. It looks like a first attempt by someone who has only a vague idea what a swastika looks like and no idea which way it rotates.

ninfan - Member
More sore loser leftie agitprop eh?

Is this like the time you tried to make out that Jo Cox's killer couldn't be anything to do with the BNP)Britain 1st?

or is he a far left plant too? 🙄

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. It looks like a first attempt by someone who has only a vague idea what a swastika looks like

Yeah there's no way the Nazi loving, white supremacist followers of trump would ever paint swastikas on a park named after a Jewish guy, must be Hillary supporters obviously.

Either way the sprayer hasn't twigged that Trump has a Jewish daughter and supports Israel.

Interesting point Edukator

Can't remember old Adolph saying much about Mexicans, and history tells us that he had a strong relationship with Islam, nazi propaganda even suggesting he was the twelfth imam.

There's no evidence at all that Trump has any problem with Jews (and as a New York businessman, it would be hard to have avoided dealing with them)

So we are left asking who exactly are the only people running around saying he is a Nazi? Oh, guess who, the hysterical left once again.

So we are left asking who exactly are the only people running around saying he is a Nazi? Oh, guess who, the hysterical left once again.

nope

us hysterical lefties are saying that if you use racism,bigotry, xenophobia etc in your election campaign

you are legitimising racism,bigotry, xenophobia

genie back in the bottle etc

So we are left asking who exactly are the only people running around saying he is a Nazi? Oh, guess who, the hysterical left once again.

The common theme is intolerance of others, the idiots who follow don't follow it all just the shouting and the #MAGAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA chants - they know how to do it....

Can someone turn ninfan off and back on again, I think he's broken.

Swastika graffiti are fairly common in many parts of the US, and have been for years. The white supremacists who daub them might see Trump as a kindred spirit or the could equally be his opponents trying to smear him. I think its very naive to think this couldn't happen.
This is an interesting read.

http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/m/state-of-white-supremacy-in-the-united-states/#.VbjyLRNVhBc?referrer=http://newmexico.adl.org/adl-special-report-white-supremacy-in-america/

DP

akira - Member
Can someone turn ninfan off and back on again, I think he's broken.

Trump and Leave addressed specific issues voters care about, that's why they won.

No they didn't. Their role was acting as political agent provocateurs (not the lingerie manufacturer).

So we are left asking who exactly are the only people running around saying he is a Nazi? Oh, guess who, the hysterical left once again

Lolz if you cannot see the similarities. Seriously.

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump

Many people would like to see @Nigel_Farage represent Great Britain as their Ambassador to the United States. He would do a great job!

what will the man child do if he doesn't get his way ?

We destabalized the Middle East because the USA told us to. I'd have thought letting the USA choose our Ambassadors would be minor in comparison.

As much as I'd hate to see farages colossal ego stoked further at least it would keep him out of the UK

So would giving him, Piers Morgan and Katy Hopkins and all expenses paid tour of an allegator swamp

I think there is going to be a catch up program running on Netflix.

Keeping Up With The [s]Kardashians[/s] Trumps

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Republican selfie [url= https://twitter.com/cathymcmorris/status/799268115045416960/photo/1 ]posted on twitter[/url] reveals the broad diversity in Trump's team:

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Or as [url= https://twitter.com/GeordieStory/status/799382775375593476/photo/1 ]the bloke from the Independent[/url] put it:

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Truly diverse there must be 8 or 9 women in there!!

If you look closely there is one black guy at the very back left.

I think it might be this guy:
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Indeed The Trump campaign inspiring the young to take their first step into the wonderful world of hate crime.

You are seriously deluded.

they depressing thing is that will be the same picture in 30 yrs time....

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I didn't notice before but it actually the same room for both selfies, that really is a whites only club.

heil trump 😯

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/

That’s how Richard B. Spencer saluted more than 200 attendees on Saturday, gathered at the Ronald Reagan Building in Washington, D.C., for the annual conference of the National Policy Institute, which describes itself as “an independent organization dedicated to the heritage, identity, and future of people of European descent in the United States, and around the world.”

Spencer has popularized the term “alt-right” to describe the movement he leads. Spencer has said his dream is “a new society, an ethno-state that would be a gathering point for all Europeans,” and has called for “peaceful ethnic cleansing.”

Well.. they seem nice 😯

If you look closely there is one black guy at the very back left.

I think it might be this guy:

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So Trump won't pursue Hillary via a special prosecutor. My guess is Obama has told him unless he stated that publically he would grant her a Presidential Pardon. Messy business.

kimbers - Member

heil trump

Obviously leftie agent provocateurs.

Donald might have to have a [url= http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/21/president-elect-trump-raged-nbc-news-showed-photos-multiple-chins.html ]face lift/chin tuck[/url] for his own sanity 😆

where will his hairline end up if he has a face lift?top of his shoulders?

[url= http://nypost.com/2016/11/21/donald-trumps-media-summit-was-a-f-ing-firing-squad/ ]more on mondays media "reset"[/url]

“Trump started with [CNN chief] Jeff Zucker and said, ‘I hate your network, everyone at CNN is a liar and you should be ashamed,’ ”

Klunk what did they really expect, Trump is justified in critising many of the networks ? As for discussing access they should expect to find themselves at the back of the queue 😉

Diplomatic presidential address seeking consensus and respecting the "fourth arms"....nah not even you expected that.
They said he was petty mean and unforgiving prone to childish levels of anger and irascibility therefore what he really should do is do all of that at his first meeting and then berate them for bias ....if that wont win them over then what will?

So Trump won't pursue Hillary via a special prosecutor. My guess is Obama has told him unless he stated that publically he would grant her a Presidential Pardon. Messy business.

or more likely he only said it in the first place to drum up votes and had no intention of following through...have you not noticed hes not exactly been slow to backtrack on some of his other election pledges...

or maybe he realised it would be a total waste of time as the FBI had already investigated..

But .. back to your hunch, how could Obama pardon clinton, when she hasn't yet been charged with anything for him to pardon her for???? Would like that one explained to me...

have you not noticed hes not exactly been slow to backtrack on some of his other election pledges...

Now where have we seen that tactic before...

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What exactly did Trump say pre-election that is going to be followed through on?
Seems like nothing.

or maybe he realised it would be a total waste of time as the FBI had already investigated..

captainsasquatch - Member
What exactly did Trump say pre-election that is going to be followed through on?

Drain the swamp.

Not going to be a quick process as the swamp is large and plenty of large alligators about. These gators need to be skinned ...

... And found nothing.
#Mugged

Drain the swamp.

Not going to be a quick process as the swamp is large and plenty of large alligators about. These gators need to be skined ...

@tp a good question but from what I have read Obama could pardon her for any wrong doing in relation to the emails / server. Almost like an immunity to prosecution which people get all the time on issues, Tony Blair even did that with IRA suspects (ie suspects fhey had never been tried for anything)

captainsasquatch - Member
Was there ever a time when you were lucid?
Pre-lobotomy perhaps?

What exactly did Trump say pre-election that is going to be followed through on?

[url= https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/13/donald-trump-plans-to-immediately-deport-2-to-3-million-undocumented-immigrants/ ]He's apparently still keen on[/url] deporting [i]"millions and millions of undocumented immigrants."..."people that are criminal and have criminal records, gang members, drug dealers, where a lot of these people, probably 2 million, it could be even 3 million"[/i]

I mean obviously that's going to be difficult, not least because the figures suggest there aren't actually that illegal immigrants with criminal records for him to deport.

But I'm sure he'll have a go.

Alligators = politicians.

So what exactly is he going to re-fill the swamp with then once all the politicians have been put against the wall? Apart from his own family I mean.

Would those nice alt-right National Policy Institute chaps in kimbers video be a good choice? Or just that sea of white male faces I posted before?

Do you really think that is better representative democracy than the current "swamp"?

GrahamS - Member
So what exactly is he going to re-fill the swamp with then once all the politicians have been put against the wall? Apart from his own family I mean.

Would those nice alt-right National Policy Institute chaps in kimbers video be a good choice? Or just that sea of white male faces I posted before?

Do you really think that is better representative democracy than the current "swamp"?

The whole world is looking at him so I doubt he is going to be so naive to involve his family that much.

Really? [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-transition-team-family-children-ivanka-eric-jared-kushner-a7413701.html ]He appointed 16 people to his "transition team" and four of them were his immediate family (his daughter, two sons and his son-in-law).[/url]

He doesn't seem shy of nepotism.

I think he will choose them on merit so colour irrelevant rather than coincidence.

So do you think the reason there are almost no non-white faces in that photo (and the photo of the interns) is because non-whites just don't have what it takes? 😕

Did you watch kimbers video?

The current Obama and associated swamp should go or should be replaced as much as possible. Coz they are turning into giant alligators.

Replacing them with giant crocodiles doesn't seem like a great change to me.

And what about all the people from the 'swamp' he's given positions to?

Above the law much?

Trump on his businesses/conflict q's:

"The law's totally on my side, the president can't have a conflict of interest."

jambalaya - Member
So Trump won't pursue Hillary via a special prosecutor. My guess is Obama has told him unless he stated that publically he would grant her a Presidential Pardon. Messy business.

As was frequently pointed out he doesn't actually have the power to do what he wanted, something to do with a constitution and all that...

That'll be the same constitution that gaurantees freedom of religious of expression without interference from the State.

Unless your Muslim obviously.

Yes his policies are full of flaws, which you would expect from somebody who surrounded themselves by yes men all their life. His AG is going to have a hard time and constitutional lawyers are going to be getting new beach houses.

And then wait for the backlash when he fails to deliver on all of this