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Fundamentally weakening NATO

Parroting Russian Propaganda on Ukraine/Zalenski

Refusing to sign the UN Resolution condemning Russia for invading Ukraine

Refusing to further support the Ukranians

"Pausing" cyber security actions against Russia

Offering Russian oligarchs US Citizenship

Preparing to lift US sanctions against Russia

Firing (or trying to fire) swathes of CIA and FBI staff

Inviting Russian state TV into the oval office whist simultaneously banning Reuters and AP

Admitting that he's been having meetings/discussions with Putin in-between his terms in office

Plus all the "Russian interference" in his previous election

 

Even if you don't believe he is a Russian asset..... you have to admit that he's behaving exactly like one

 

Yep I don’t think you actually need to know whether he is an asset or has compromat on him, his actions sort of give away his intent.

I think he just looks on the Russians as a market that he is denied and doesn’t see why not.

He would have got good money out of them in the past and doesn’t see why anything like sanctions should stop him from taking their money.

Just another bunch of rich guys to play golf with and fleece, his sort of people, who he’s spent all his life with.

 

 

 

 


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 7:49 am
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Either that or the much rumoured piss video


 
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Kompromat is certainly possible but i think its mainly because Trump admires Putin as a strong leader and Trump would like to be like him

Sgain you have to remember that as a psychopath Trump has no conscience and no morality.


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 7:52 am
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TBH he did just release the ‘Epstein files’ (or not) and he’s sort of in them 🙂

I think he’d just fake news it out .


 
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I think he’d be more annoyed with not having the Russian bot farms pushing his stuff constantly, they helped him win the election which is why investigations into Russian activity won’t be investigated ever again, just like Tik-tok was un banned as it helps him.


 
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I doubt Trump is all that bothered about kompromat. Any conscience he might have had would have been purely transactional and now he has the power to make any negative effects negligible.

 

In actual fact, I think he is just a thoroughly evil person totally out for his own vanity and financial gain. I don't really know how the rest of the world should cope with the Trump-Putin axis of evil (yes, I use that phrase deliberately). Someone like Trump should never have been anywhere near power, but that's democracy combined with poor education systems for you.

 

I guess we sit it out as best we can.


 
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Current rumours is that he's told workers at the CISA (federal cybersecurity agency) to remove Russa from all their communications and not to focus on threats from Russia. Previously Russia and China were their main targets.  I really try to avoid hyperbole but that surely would be treason?

https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/03/infosec_in_brief/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-russia-hacking-cyber-security


 
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The definition of 'treason' varies depending on who is defining it, and whether they are POTUS.

The whole situation is remarkable. He has turned a growth and jobs economy (albeit one with severe structural weaknesses) into a recessionary and inflationary doom-slide inside a month. Recent Republican presidents have all presided over economic failure, but this will take the biscuit.

 


 
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The Russians oligarchs who support Putin have stopped buying Trump's apartments in Panama because of sanctions. Trump wants to normalise relations with Russia so they can spend their money with him again. Otherwise he faces financial risk in Panama. Hence his tub-thumping 

You are actually serious aren't you? You really believe that the United States position on Ukraine hinges on the price of apartments in Panama don't you?

I can't remember the last time I heard a finer conspiracy theory to suit a political agenda but it would have either come from a typical Trump supporter, ironically, or from an ultra-leftist desperate to prove just how wicked capitalists are.

No wonder you were so dismissive of the opinion piece in the Guardian which offered a balanced and realistic analysis.

I guess that is the problem with echo chambers that won't tolerate healthy debates and a diversity of opinions, unchallenged people become ever more extreme in their theories.


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 8:27 am
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In actual fact, I think he is just a thoroughly evil person totally out for his own vanity and financial gain.

There are reports suggesting he is desperate for a Nobel Peace Prize to match Obamas (undeserved) one.

I dont think he quite grasps that trying to force an invaded  country to surrender doesnt really count as peace.


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 8:35 am
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Ernie.  Why do you think trump is scting in Russia's interests?

 


 
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No wonder you were so dismissive of the opinion piece in the Guardian which offered a balanced and realistic analysis.

a balanced opinion piece from the school of thought that's been saying we should just appease Putin, and said he definitely wasn't going to invade last time?

An opinion piece that offers no solution beyond what was tried and failed last time?

and trumps actions make it look like he is absolutely in Putin's pocket.

last time the US paused aid Ukraine lost 1000s of lives and towns like Advika were pounded to rubble and captured.....

and he thinks that will get him a nobel peace prize?


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 8:45 am
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I guess that is the problem with echo chambers that won't tolerate healthy debates and a diversity of opinions, unchallenged people become ever more extreme in their theories.

Can’t we have one thread about the subject rather than having it filled with you playing out your fantasy of being a one man hero standing up against everyone else.


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 8:49 am
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Crashing the economy in real time? Radio 4 are just reporting that he’s demolishing consumer confidence in the states with his tariffs.

He’s busy telling everyone it won’t mean price increases for imported goods, but people aren’t stupid (MAGA types excluded), know that’s complete cobblers and that’s exactly what it means. It’ll fuel inflation and very probably  put the US economy into recession

Putting that idiot in charge, now completely unrestrained, really is like giving a machine gun to a monkey 


 
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I guess that is the problem with echo chambers that won't tolerate healthy debates and a diversity of opinions, unchallenged people become ever more extreme in their theories.

Out of curiosity, I downloaded Truth Social this morning and created an account. I set up only one follow, the big dog himself, Donnie J Trump. When I went back in to delete the account (because I am a normal human being), I saw that I had, by default, been set up with 39 follows. DJT (my choice) and 38 right wing media outlets (not my choice). So it is not like these people fall into an echo chamber, rather they are shoved in head first. I get it, its Truth Social, so it is hardly going to be Guardian reading lefties, but I was surprised how they link you, by default to the voices behind the echo's. 


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 8:52 am
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I dont think he quite grasps that trying to force an invaded country to surrender doesnt really count as peace.

The whole thing is bonkers. Let's look at one part of it - this minerals deal.

 

Does Trump actually think Ukraine will dig its own stuff up and sell it at a loss to him? In which case, it'll need to be American managers and American kit and American ships. If Ukraine is forced to cede areas currently under Russian occupation there are going to be highly pissed off internal refugees in a country awash with weaponry. That's going to mean US boots on the ground guarding facilities, individuals etc. Not even us in the UK are going to be obsequious enough to provide the muscle for the looting of Ukraine's mineral wealth. I suppose he could use US mercenaries, though...

 

It's all just too disgraceful to think about most of the time, though.

 


 
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You really believe that the United States position on Ukraine hinges on the price of apartments in Panama don't you?

I believe peace and security of Ukraine hinges on the capriciousness of two men who think only of themselves, or more broadly how they personally profit. That may be in the form of actual money, or it could be (for Trump) the value of having other people praise them. Beyond that, I think that Putin as an actual dictator probably has more of a grasp of the geo-political/regional implications of what he does, but only in so much as what's good for him personally is thusly 'obviously' beneficial to Russia. Trump has surrounded himself with podcasters and middling politicians who owe their promotion to power entirely to their obsequiousness to Trump, so they can be lifted up or cast aside as Trump's whims or needs change. But is otherwise only interested in using the next four years to enrich himself (he did the same thing last time, and he's started where he's left off so far) otherwise he'll be on the golf course. 

which offered a balanced and realistic analysis.

It doesn't really beyond hand-wavey guess work. The idea that Putin will agree to have a very heavily armed Ukraine on his border is for the birds, and even if he does, he can still launch aggressive wars with impunity knowing that the rest of the word will both leave him to it, and won't come to Ukraine's aid beyond what we do now, which amounts to no security guarantees at all. The only continued safety for Ukraine is either; membership of NATO/EU - unlikely for the next 4 years, occupation of Ukraine by European armed forces. Or Russian demilitarisation (other than self-defence) in exchange for economic re-entry. None of which I can see Russia agreeing to.


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 8:59 am
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He’s busy telling everyone it won’t mean price increases for imported goods, but people aren’t stupid (MAGA types excluded), know that’s complete cobblers and that’s exactly what it means. It’ll fuel inflation and very probably  put the US economy into recession

The answer to the question: "Where does a large chunk of the fertiliser used on US farms come from?" tells you everything you need to know about the likely impact of tariffs on the US consumer. I suppose most onlookers think that the US is self-sufficient in bullshit, but apparently that's not the case.

As this is an outdoorsy forum, we should also be concerned by the latest executive order turning over hundreds of millions of acres of national park forest for felling so that the US can reduce its complete reliance on Canada for lumber.

Canada should turn off the power to the various US states that rely on it, preferably during Trump's State of the Union Address.


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 9:07 am
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Honestly Ernie I read that Guardian piece yesterday and I'm not sure what you're reading out of it.  However it looks like the pessimistic view in paragraphs 3 and 5 is where we're really at.

I think Trump has a very simplistic view of things and applies absolutely the same methods at all scales be it buying a golf course or making a deal with another country.  And all deals with him are absolutely valueless. He famously never paid a lot of people who did work for him, and he won't backup Ukraine, or Taiwan


 
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Ernie. Why do you think trump is scting in Russia's interests?


 
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I see trump has started off today by threatening prison for anyone ay a university trying to exercise their first amendment rights. So much for free speech I guess. 


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 2:32 pm
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Vance has managed to upset everyone by slagging off the British military, even manfrog farage has come out to condemn him

Europe pledging to rearm & throw the kind of money into weapons not seen since WW2

Trump starting simultaneous trade wars with China , EU, Canadan & Mexico, dollar down inflation incoming

Only 3 years & 10 months of this to go


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 2:59 pm
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I saw Vance described this morning as an angry  Carphone Warehouse store manager

He does have the air of Gavin Williamson about him 


 
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Honestly Ernie I read that Guardian piece yesterday and I'm not sure what you're reading out of it. 

You don't know what I am 'reading out of it'? I thought it was obvious........ interesting and plausible suggestions of possible motives and scenarios by someone who clearly has a reasonable understanding of what they are talking about. 

Just like the countless other opinion pieces I have read on the subject, none of which have mentioned a fall in the prices of apartments in Panama being a motive.

Btw do we know how much apartment prices in Panama have been affected by events Ukraine and how much they are likely to increase in the event of a peace deal, what sort of figure are we talking about?

The figure would be interesting to know as it would give an insight of how skint Trump is (despite being best buddy with the wealthiest man on earth) that he has to organise an extraordinarily elaborate conspiracy involving among other things the redirection of US foreign policy to push up the prices of apartments in Panama.

A conspiracy so elaborate that the latest development is a pause in military aid to Ukraine. Are we talking about his Panama apartments doubling in price? Quadrupling? What exactly?

 


 
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as for panama, wherever Trump goes, corruption & scandal follows... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-panama-canal-hotel-lawsuit-history-b2669911.html


 
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Canada should turn off the power to the various US states that rely on it, preferably during Trump's State of the Union Address.

On that front alone, I'm intrigued - presumably the tariffs on imported Canadian goods apply to the leccy too? Or is it exempted?


 
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I think it's 10% on Canadian power


 
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I think Vance has seen Harry Ellis and thought, yep that's me. 

 


 
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standard

https://bsky.app/profile/wired.com/post/3ljktu4ydq62k

meanwhile Trumpcession is kicking off

https://bsky.app/profile/wutangforchildren.bsky.social/post/3ljkrzntzis2h

 

Badenoch defending Vance isnt quite her Sunak/D-Day memorial gaffe but its going to see her backpedaling like mad

https://bsky.app/profile/inglesongrey.bsky.social/post/3ljk7dvn6ic2g


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 4:31 pm
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I am surprised that the Kremlin is praising Trump, they must know that weakens him in the eyes of most of the western world and makes him look suspect. Do they think that massaging his ego is better than the kickbacks from elsewhere, is it a double bluff, or is it just part of filling the airwaves with confusing messages? I can't even begin to work out what their game is with this.

 

As for Vance's comments on the British forces, I seem to recall they had to watch their backs for "friendly" fire from the idiot americans.


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 4:39 pm
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Has Trump surpassed Truss in terms of damage to the economy divided by the number of days in power?


 
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Not a chance.

But.

Give it time.


 
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I see trump has started off today by threatening prison for anyone ay a university trying to exercise their first amendment rights.

Prison for some, deportation for others. Still, at least we’re not at the “firing squad in front of a ditch in the woods” stage… yet.


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 5:20 pm
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He does have the air of Gavin Williamson about him 

At least Williamson said that Russia should 'shut up and go away', or words to that effect, which is vaguely preferable to 'Please Sir, May I have another?' from Vance and Trump.


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 5:28 pm
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Apologies if this has been posted before.  Marco Rubio commenting on Russia's breaking of the Budapest Memorandum and the implications for nuclear proliferation, world peace etc.  It's all good stuff. I don't know when this was, a few years ago perhaps but compare it to his words and actions in the oval office a few days ago. The scale of the hypocrisy, moral backflipping and spineless abandonment of any principles is just staggering. I know I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, but I need a release valve and you lot are it! These people are just amoral scum.

Edit: it is a facebook video link that doesn't appear to work. I'll try again

Nope, it even blanks out the text of the link. Never mind...

 


 
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I am surprised that the Kremlin is praising Trump, they must know that weakens him in the eyes of most of the western world and makes him look suspect. Do they think that massaging his ego is better than the kickbacks from elsewhere, is it a double bluff, or is it just part of filling the airwaves with confusing messages? I can't even begin to work out what their game is with this.

Hypernormalisation by Adam Curtis is a starting point. A key element of gaslighting is constant change and counter-intuitive actions - this prepares the ground by keeping observers constantly questioning what is going on and their interpretation of it.

 

As for Vance's comments on the British forces, I seem to recall they had to watch their backs for "friendly" fire from the idiot americans.

A point I have made on Twitter to some redneck mouthbreathers.

 

I'll also suggest that they ought to be concerned about what Trump will do with his huge military when it is pulled back from overseas. That's the problem with being so afraid of everything that you hang on to lies from someone like Trump - everything is plausible, poor loves.

 


 
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Edit: it is a facebook video link that doesn't appear to work. I'll try again

Found on YT. Hopefully this will work.


 
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Posted by: kelvin

I see trump has started off today by threatening prison for anyone ay a university trying to exercise their first amendment rights.

Prison for some, deportation for others. Still, at least we’re not at the “firing squad in front of a ditch in the woods” stage… yet.

 

I believe that’s now called the “what sort of American are you” stage 

 


 
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@thelawman

According to the Grauniad…

  • Ontario’s premier Doug Ford told the Wall Street Journal that he was imposing a 25% export tax on electricity sent to three US states, and might cut it off altogether if the tariffs linger.


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 6:54 pm
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@thelawman

According to the Grauniad…

  • Ontario’s premier Doug Ford told the Wall Street Journal that he was imposing a 25% export tax on electricity sent to three US states, and might cut it off altogether if the tariffs linger.

I would buy tickets to watch Trump’s reaction to that.  Short of war, what could he do without backing down?

 


 
Posted : 04/03/2025 6:59 pm
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He could and probably will bang another 25% on top of the original.

Oh wait he has already announced it


 
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I suspect Trump will only provide some token gesture of assistance to Z even if Z comes back to beg again.  The token gesture will definitely come with a huge sting attached.  

The reason is simple.  Trump's main priority is to boost US economy by all means even at the expense of the alliance.  Trump knows that they (US) dominate the firepower but economy power is slowly slipping away, and much more difficult to manage. Hence, economy becomes the main priority.   

Therefore, Ukraine is a lost course and no longer worth the "investment" (not referring to personal gain) because there are some easier pickings elsewhere in Middle East. 


 
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Only 3 years & 10 months of this to go

I doubt it.  Things will get sticky very quickly, Trump will no longer be having fun and he'll flounce, I reckon.

 


 
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https://www.tiktok.com/@thedailyshow/video/7478061419054009646

I particularly liked "and then I'll sweep your chimney" 😂


 
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Full episode here:

Essential laugh/cry viewing, as ever.


 
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Things will get sticky very quickly, Trump will no longer be having fun and he'll flounce, I reckon.

I was convinced he'd get bored with all the actual effort and resign his first term. Too much to gain and the massive narcissist won't want to be seen to fail, so I don't think it'll happen. 

Would love to be wrong again though!


 
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Anyone got any links to credible analysis on what's actually expected to happen with the US budget deficit?

On the one hand, there's a lot of noise about "cutting cRaZy SpenDInG" and on the other hand, massive tax cuts. 

I've seen a few bits of commentary such as.

The Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, or CRFB, a nonpartisan fiscal watchdog, warned that making the tax cuts permanent would mean up to $4.6 trillion in extra deficit increases over the next decade and set a dangerous precedent for future borrowing.

"Over the long run, it may be what puts us into a debt spiral situation. The higher your debt, the higher your interest rates. And the higher your interest rates, the higher your debt," said Marc Goldwein, senior CRFB policy director.

Rising interest rates mean that the U.S. would be paying ever more to service its debt. Interest payments alone represented more than $1 trillion of the federal government's $6.7 trillion budget last year.

https://www.reuters.com/en/us-senate-plan-make-trump-tax-cuts-permanent-raises-debt-spiral-worry-2025-03-02/

 

Tie that into a suggested declining US position as the printer if the worlds currency by some YouTube randoms who are suggesting a lot of "might/could/possibly" scenarios. Didn't see anything suggestion anything imminent, more a reduction of the option for the US to print money and sell dollars and what that "might" result in. Theyre assuming that the DOGE cuts will still lead trillions in additional deficit based on expected (published) cuts to budgets and taxes 

It's going to suck to be poor in the US even more than it has been was the other theme.


 
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Just got to my desk. Haven't heard any news yet.

 

So what is today's new outrage?


 
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2hr congress Speech by Trump 🙂


 
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Came here to ask the same thing, but saw that Vance had insulted the UK by saying it had not fought a war in 30 years. Odd that, I guess what I saw in 2012 and 2016 was just a dream.

Or, JD Vance is a weapons grade imbecile who is spouting shit, just like his tangerine-skinned Benito-wannabe "leader".


 
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I made this observation on the 1st, a few pages back

It's notable that Marco Rubio, the US Secretary of State, just sat without a word for either side

United States Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, is officially the foreign affairs advisor to the US Government and a GOP Ukraine supporter. His post is officially third in importance after the President and VP and he's allegedly been sidelined,

Rubio is privately frustrated that Trump has effectively sidelined him. According to four prominent Republicans close to the White House, Rubio, who has been a Russia hawk and Ukraine supporter, has told people he is upset by his lack of foreign policy influence despite being, on paper at least, the administration’s top diplomat. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/trump-ukraine-and-the-meme-ing-of-marco-rubio

I guess that he gave the top table advice that they didn't want to hear in the weeks before the meeting with President Zelensky


 
Posted : 05/03/2025 8:02 am
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He has pissed off China some what.

*We are ready for war either trade or the really bad kind*

 Bastardized the tweet from China but that the general gist


 
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Rubio first to quit/get sacked? Much as I despise him, he could be the guy to call out Trump and pull the GOP back a little? Possibly. 


 
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Rubio first to quit/get sacked? Much as I despise him, he could be the guy to call out Trump and pull the GOP back a little? Possibly. 

Nope. Has demonstrated his spinelessness on many other occasions.


 
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How many in Team trump do we think have been shorting stock in preparation for yesterdays tariffs?


 
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Vance has always been dismissive of Europe - both our politics and our military he's more a "U.S.A, U.S.A" chanter than Trump ever has been.   He also seems to believe strongly that he knows everything, y'know, because he served in the military for all of 3 years as a journalist and because he had a tough upbringing and was made something of, that, well....what else is there to learn?  He's been there and done that the "hard way".  This ignores that he used the USA military to go to college (some might argue that was the whole goal) and that he's relentlessly used his upbrining as leverage to get into politics and that he's changed his spots (politics) so much that he's almost unrecognizable to past versions of himself.  This is a man out to leverage everything he can use to get everything he thinks he deserves.    In many respects he's more dangerous than Trump as more people seem to believe what he's saying.


 
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Rubio first to quit/get sacked? Much as I despise him, he could be the guy to call out Trump and pull the GOP back a little? Possibly.

He gave up a good job as Senator for Florida that he held from 2011 to when he joined the cabinet in January. He could have been influential from Congress. Suckered??


 
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He gave up a good job as Senator for Florida that he held from 2011 to when he joined the cabinet in January. He could have been influential from Congress. Suckered??

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.


 
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Watching the contortions of any Tory MPs under Johnson/Truss/Sunak who might have harboured any supposedly one-nation sentiment should have made us realise that pigs at a trough don't give up their place willingly.

 

It remains to be seen if the same will be true of socialists in the 2025 Labour Party.

 

For the likes of Rubio it is inconceivable. To resign over a matter of principle is impossible if you don't have any principles to begin with.


 
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That seems pretty much spot on Daffy. Vance definitely seems to fit the Boris Johnson political mould where his only goal is his own personal advancement and he believes in nothing else other than that. He’s front and centre gobbing off all the MAGA nonsense, but it’s just what suits him at this particular moment. I’m sure that if the US electorate didn’t like those particular opinions, then he has many others he’d be more than happy to trot out. He’s very dangerous as it seems to be him that’s ratcheting up the rhetoric on pretty much everything and becoming increasingly extreme. It looks like the ambush of Zolenskyy was his doing. 

I’m sure that as the economic impact of Trumps moronic tariffs start to bite and inflation heads through the roof, he’ll be on hand to blame China, the EU, Canada, Mexico and anyone else who’s a handy scapegoat at any given moment.

Why is it that a large chunk of the American electorate seem to lionise any old idiot who bangs on about growing up in a cardboard box in a forest in Iowa and whose only possessions were a gun and a bible? It leaves the door wide open to charlatans like Vance


 
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Rubio's little face when that journalist questioned why zelensky wasn't wearing a suit spoke volumes..

Say what you like about him, but he knows fine well that he's working for/surrounded by absolute idiots. 


 
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I don't think there will be resignations, apparently being seen to go against Trump is followed by death threats from the maga ultras .

I reckon there will be sackings though. Once it's impossible to deny some of these decisions are wrong and normal Americans feel it in their pocket o, thers will be sacrificed to maintain the illusion of Trumps greatness .


 
Posted : 05/03/2025 9:35 am
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I wonder when the US will experience it's first "faulty window" incident


 
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Vance and Trump will get a right shock when Modi turns up not wearing a suit.


 
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I wonder when the US will experience it's first "faulty window" incident

I'm wondering how the secret service can stomach doing their jobs at the moment.

 

 


 
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Rubio first to quit/get sacked? Much as I despise him, he could be the guy to call out Trump and pull the GOP back a little? Possibly

Nope, think it will take longer than that to grow back his spine. You know things are f*cked when people who where once reasonable on a topic, have been turned and now fight against what they know/knew to be the truth. Rubio is just one of many now.

Saw a very interesting piece from msnbc's Rachel Maddow (yes, an echo chamber outlet for those in denial/mourning for democracy), where they astutely compared the Ernest Lundeen spy scandal of 1940 with shenanigans of today. The echoes are chilling. I'm aware i am the intended audience, but it's a good piece:


 
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The Tories reticence and coyness about Trump didn’t last long. 

From the Guardian this morning:

Donald Trump and Elon Musk have shown a “refreshing” dynamism and sense of purpose which could be seen as a model for other governments wanting to get things done at speed, a senior Conservative has said.

Andrew Griffith, the shadow business secretary, has previously been a strong backer of Trump and his main aide, at one point saying Musk had potentially “saved humanity”: by rescuing Twitter from a “left-leaning elite”.

More recently, many other Conservatives have been reining in their praise for the increasingly erratic US president.

But not Griffith. Asked by Sky News for his view of Trump’s record so far, Griffith said he was “envious of the dynamism, not the bombast”.

He went on:

You’ve clearly got a change government coming in with a clear set of plans to address some of the big challenges that all western economies face – high levels of public spending, and sometimes an inefficient public service that makes people feel government isn’t on their side.

You have seen a dynamism with the president, with Elon Musk, that I think is relatively refreshing. And it’s right that governments with strong democratic mandates have the ability to get on and do things


 
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I'm wondering how the secret service can stomach doing their jobs at the moment.

I expect happily enough. Remember Pence didnt trust his guards during the insurrection attempt.


 
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I see he has reiterated his intention to annexe Greenland. Luckily even if the Greenlanders wanted to be US subjects it would take more than 4 years to put into operation. 


 
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If a member of his personal praetorian guard turns on him, it will probably be because he isn't going far enough. 

All those proponents of the 2nd Amendment being a tool to protect America against tyranny seem to have gone quiet, too.

Luckily even if the Greenlanders wanted to be US subjects it would take more than 4 years to put into operation. 

Do any legal means of annexing a state against the wishes of its population and government(s) exist? Even if the Greenlanders were persuaded, I can't see the Danes just rolling over at that point.


 
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And it’s right that governments with strong democratic mandates have the ability to get on and do things

How many MPs do the Tories have again?

 

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Remember Pence didnt trust his guards during the insurrection attempt.

The subsequent hearing was told that he didn't want to get in his motorcade and leave the Capitol Building because it was feared that it would be targeted by rioters and they hadn't increased the detail despite intelligence, but that wasn't about trust in that sense.

He sat in a Senate underground car park with his security team for 5 hours

President Trump has been busy revoking secret service protection from Mike Pompeo, Brian Hook and John Bolton https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/23/donald-trump-revokes-mike-pompeos-taxpayer-funded-security-detail/


 
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If a member of his personal praetorian guard turns on him, it will probably be because he isn't going far enough. 

Are you suggesting that the Secret Service may be on the more extreme side than Trump?

 


 
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So Zelenskyy may be heading back to the White House. He should take Starmer and Macron with him. Let’s show some effing unity.


 
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I hope he's only going to kick Trump the bollocks.


 
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Maybe he should bring some frozen sausages to hammer into the Whitehouse lawn?


 
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Do any legal means of annexing a state against the wishes of its population and government(s) exist? Even if the Greenlanders were persuaded, I can't see the Danes just rolling over at that point.

Well I imagine step 1 is to have a referendum on independence, and then a second one on joining the US. Of course in any sane world that would not happen, but with round the clock carpet bombing from social media I wouldn't bet against it.

 
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Came here to ask the same thing, but saw that Vance had insulted the UK by saying it had not fought a war in 30 years. Odd that, I guess what I saw in 2012 and 2016 was just a dream.

Maybe he's alluding to us not participating in the great triumph of invading Grenada ?


 
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Do any legal means of annexing a state against the wishes of its population and government(s) exist?

I believe the traditional method is to hold a ballot but rig it in some way or other.

Why is it that a large chunk of the American electorate seem to lionise any old idiot who bangs on about growing up in a cardboard box in a forest in Iowa and whose only possessions were a gun and a bible?

Same reason loads of Brits will hate someone who grew up rich, regardless of how good they might actually be at running a country or department.


 
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Walked past a bloke in central Belfast twice today in a MAGA hat and a Jesus banner broadcasting speeches from President Trump. He did appear to lift people's spirits going by their reactions.


 
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