or do you think the Jan 6th coup attempt was legitimate and the election really was stolen
Absolutely no evidence to support your assumption.
They have been trying to throw Trump in jail
Maybe if he doesn’t want people to try and throw him in Jail he shouldn’t have spent decades breaking all kinds of laws, from fraud to rape, with such wild abandon?
Just a thought…
Is that they same “they” that prosecuted Hunter Biden? The same “they” that investigated Hilary over the email server?
Sounds like “they” do the job required of them which is to investigate crimes, charge if required, and seek a conviction, regardless of political allegiance
No the potentially hugely damaging story was covered up under pressure from the Democrats. Possible election interference from the Democrats? Hardly democratic is it? But you lot seem to turn a blind eye to this stuff because of 'orange man bad'.
and
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czxlpjlgdzjo
Censorship by the Democrats eh? What is it they have to hide?
What parts in particular did you think were unhinged. By unhinged, I assume you mean ‘Nazi’ or ‘Fascict’. What statements made do you believe were actually Nazi-like or fascict?
@tallyhoe youve already had this pointed out to you , he called the media 'enemies of the people' which is a classic fascist move
his disastrous afghan exit strategy cost lives and gifted the Tliban with military hardware they could only have dreamt of
He also effectively ended the 2 state solution by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, the immediate response was a wave of violence across Palestine and the middle east with scores killed and a flood of support for Hamas that culminated with October 7th sparking the war there now
Trump is a simpleton.
Depends on the measure. He's managed a ten year grift by telling people what they want to hear. I think that's really impressive.
Even more impressive is how he's managed the GOP and kept away any other future leaders despite an approval rating of 34% after he left office, let alone everything else covered in 619 pages on here. To call him a simpleton, is to massively underestimate him in my opinion.
There's no way two years ago that I thought he had a chance of orchestrating another term, and yet here we are. Depressing.
Tallyho isn’t going to listen to a counter claim and respond with “oh yeah, that’s true, you’ve got me there”.
Yeah, but its funny to see him/her/whatever their pronoun of choice, flounder around to try and get all the alt right talking points into their posts.
Censorship by the Democrats eh? What is it they have to hide?
Possible election interference from the Democrats?
You seemed keen on people providing evidence earlier in the thread. Maybe you'd care to provide some to substantiate your claim? Maybe you could pass it on to the two Republican Senate Committees and one Republican House Oversight Committee that all found no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden and or his son despite having full access to the laptop in question.
Which previously banned troll is Tallyho?
its funny to see him/her/whatever their pronoun of choice, flounder around to try and get all the alt right talking points into their posts.
Someone who claims that the Guardian, the BBC, and the New York Times, are "far-left" isn't going to flounder, they will just move onto their next nonsensical claim.
"He’s kicked off in the covid thread now."
My money's on TiRed in that particular contest...
The answer to startling few of those problems is “vote for Trump” though.
And even less of an answer is "vote for the same lot who have failed already". US "democracy" is a binary choice between voting for one of the candidates who will not change anything, or not exercising your democratic rights at all. Most people choose the former, which inevitably leads them to voting for someone they don't like because they're not the incumbents. UK democracy is much the same, just a little more nuanced.
Which previously banned troll is Tallyho?
Could be a Botski?
Absolutely no evidence to support your assumption.
Just because he was crap at it, doesnt mean he didnt try
and you have not answered the question about whether you think the election was 'stolen' @tallyhoe ?
He also effectively ended the 2 state solution by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, the immediate response was a wave of violence across Palestine and the middle east with scores killed and a flood of support for Hamas that culminated with October 7th sparking the war there now
To be fair Joe Biden could have easily reversed that decision and brought the United States back into line with almost every other country in the international community. He chose not to.
In fact I think you would struggle to find many examples of Joe Biden reversing foreign policy decisions made by Donald Trump. Which is, if Donald Trump's foreign policies were as bad as some imagine, quite surprising.
Donald Trump is a psychopathic narcissist but his presidency didn't really deviate massively from the average US presidency.
Much like Biden then who seemingly doesn’t even know which year it is, and can currently barely even string a coherent sentence together. Or does this not matter to you because he has views you agree with?
And don't forget he loves to 'sniff' children. A senile disgusting old pervert. Lets not forgot all those images etc from his sons laptop either. Wonder what happened to that by the way?
Wonder what happened to that by the way?
Its been analysed endlessly by law enforcement and journalists and resulted in Biden jr being done on drug & gun charges, all the other nonsense hyped by Trump Giuliani ( actual disgusting old perverts) turned out to be a nothingburger
specifically that link the crazy guy posted to Toby Young's whacko page, the RT PCR stuff is scientific gibberish
Having done literally 1000s of rt-PCRs I spent a lot of time trying to explain to people on twitter how they worked, yet they kept repeating the exact same nonsense they'd heard from 'experts' its utterly depressing to see that the nonsense she's spouting is still out there and believed by so many.
apologies wrong thread!
Just the mere fact DT is running for President again shows how bad things are in the states.
He's developed a weird cult like following from his fanbase - it's disturbing. He's basically David Koresh in a MAGA hat.
I've a sad feeling that Trump might win.
The Yanks are batshit crazy. Listening to The Newsagents podcast the other day and they were talking to Hispanic voters (after the Puerto Rico joke) and they were screaming that Harris was a Nazi and a communist. Shit for brains.
Sky Bet has Trump for the win.
I’ve a sad feeling that Trump might win.
He's already changed the face of American politics for good, even if he doesn't win he's shown how to get people onside (people who really shouldn't agree with him in any way whatsoever, god fearing Christian evangelicals spring to mind) and going forward politicians who are far more intelligent and calculating than he could ever hope to be will follow his example to get themselves into office. I hope he doesn't but I can see him winning
Just the mere fact DT is running for President again shows how bad things are in the states.
Yup. It is frankly astonishing that not only did Trump get away with attempting to undermine the whole democratic process but also that he should be given another opportunity to do so all over again.
In any normal functioning democracy he would be barred from standing for office for at least a period of time.
But even more astonishing than all that is the fact that approximately half of US voters are prepared to back a man who attempted to undermine a constitution which they enthusiastically swear allegiance to as they stand with their hands over their hearts.
The United State's long history of hypocrisy with regards to its commitment to global democracy is well documented but I think most would not have doubted their commitment to their own personal particular brand of democracy.
Whilst wealth, and the power that brings, is central to US global hegemony perceived moral authority has also played a powerful role, this ridiculous domestic political situation, along with supplying bombs and missiles to a regime committing a slaughter which it claims to oppose, is really doing a lot to undermine the US's claimed moral authority.
But even more astonishing than all that is the fact that approximately half of US voters are prepared to back a man who attempted to undermine a constitution which they enthusiastically swear allegiance to as they stand with their hands over their hearts.
its pretty mindboggling, but ignoring all the cult like aspects of Trumpism and the general partisan state of politics in he USA, Im not aware of a single government surviving a legitimate election in our post inflation world
Arguably the Republicans could have walked this if theyd been able to escape Trumpism and select a slightly less insane candidate
This blog by Matt Yglesias raises a lot of interesting questions.
https://www.slowboring.com/p/27-takes-on-the-2024-election
A couple that I think are important are #12 and #26.
#12. The Democratic coalition really is tetchy and hard to manage. I’ve watched a number of Arab-American writers who disapprove of Biden’s approach to Israel but agree that Trump’s would be worse spend the final month of the campaign driving up the salience of an issue that they know is bad for Harris and being relentlessly negative about her approach to the issue — even though they agree her opponent is worse. It’s hard to do politics if people who agree that you are better don’t make the case for you down the stretch.
#26. It would be great if progressive foundations had spent the past eight years trying to build bridges between social liberals and anti-Trump market liberals like Shikha Dalmia in defense of liberalism and democracy instead of financing a left-right pincer movement against “neoliberalism” that further destabilized the system.
Both of these are about groups who oppose Trump but are willing to risk him winning if they don't get all their demands.
Im not aware of a single government surviving a legitimate election in our post inflation world
Spain, the majority socialist party in the coalition actually gained a seat.
Macron in France held on (although that was pre Truss but inflation was already running high).
Arguably the Republicans could have walked this if theyd been able to escape Trumpism and select a slightly less insane candidate
Before the primaries most polling agreed that anyone except Trump / Biden would have walked it.
Well one good thing from the activity on this thread today...
... I learned a new phrase! 'sealioning'...
I've experienced it a lot online in various forms and know what the concept is.. But I didn't know how to articulate that particular pattern of behavior in a concise way!
That was a fun few pages. Could the new poster be Trump? Donald, is that you?
I still love how a lot of people use far left for anything that just isn't far right. Nothing deemed as far left over the last few pages is.
Some really, really clever people I work with, including young women, are all for Donald Trump because the “Demoncrat/adrenochrome harvesting/child-abuse/trans-rights/drag queens/migrant caravans/whatever other nonsense you can think of”
I hate to break it to you but they aren't that ****ing clever then.
I couldn’t disagree more. He’s done more damage than anyone and done more to sow hatred and division in the US that will take decades to reverse
I totally agree about the damage he's done and that it will/would take decades to reverse, but that's assuming there are any Republican party members left that have the intention of going back to the way things were before Trump. When he first announced he would stand for election in 2015 the GOP saw him as a joke and virtually all of them ( Vance compared him to Hitler and look at him now) said he should never be considered as a candidate, never mind the President. They aren't saying it any more because he succeeded where a lot of them had previously failed by acting in a way no traditional politician had ever done before
The thing with someone like Trump is who follows him?
Now Johnson appears to be out of politics the nearest cult of personality we have is Farage. Who do the states have as someone like him?
The GOP had been building to that point for decades, probably evert since Nixon was booted out of office. That's when they decided to appeal to racists to stop the party's decline from the scandal. And then not much later they started the tactic of just opposing the democrats rather than offering anything to the people (they obviously offer a lot to the billionaires).
Trump hasn't done much yet that isn't exactly what the GOP have wanted for decades, the only thing is he does it so blatantly that they hadn't realised it could be done that way, but enriching the already rich and further impoverishing the poor has always been their aim, and Trump has delivered on that.
The only problem they see now IMO, is if he does it to fast and obvious there could be a backlash, but project 2025 would take care of that anyway.
You know they have the doomsday clock or whatever it is called, that has been at 1 minute to midnight to show how close to destruction earth is, I have always felt that it was a bit of silly hyperbole, but it feels rather real at the moment, if Trump wins this time it really could damage the world very seriously. It won't just be a mater of watching our American cousins suffer, it could very well really change the world of politics for the whole world, and not for the good.
The thing with someone like Trump is who follows him?
There is a long queue of nutters behind him.
DeSantis, Vance, MTG, Lake, etc etc. Let the buffoon go and let someone worse, but more effective through
Look at the Tories - Bobby J and Badenough! You would think that more appealing to normal people would be the next move, but no.
if Trump wins this time it really could damage the world very seriously. It won’t just be a mater of watching our American cousins suffer, it could very well really change the world of politics for the whole world, and not for the good.
I am genuinely interested in why you think that. What scenario do you envisage in which a Trump second presidency would change the world of politics for the whole world?
I can see it reducing US global influence to a degree, and the West's reliance on US wealth and power, but with my own personal political views I don't see that as a catastrophe, although obviously some people might well do.
Who do the states have as someone like him
If he wins this time I could honestly see Trump jnr running in future (with daddy calling the shots), as many have already pointed out its become more of a cult than a political party
Banned seems a bit excessive unless they got abusive in another thread. They just seemed delusional and at least they livened things up a bit.
Thank God we didn’t have people derailing the Labour Party like that on forum threads….
But Trump isn't on course for a historic trouncing. When the party you really hate is going to be obliterated you can pretty safely point out flaws in the almost certain replacement party. If the last UK GE had been 50/50 in basically every poll between Labour and a psycho-Tory party who were talking about putting opponents through military tribunals then it would have changed things a bit.
As for our conspiracy guy, at least we don't have guns for our loons
Pretty scary podcast about the network of militias preparing to 'defend' the election from someone or something
https://www.wired.com/podcast/wired-politics-lab/
Early voting numbers and polls skewing toward Trump are all making a trump victory look ever more likely
I can see it reducing US global influence to a degree
If they withdraw the US from NATO the world could look very different very quickly.
Look at the Tories – Bobby J and Badenough! You would think that more appealing to normal people would be the next move, but no.
They might be more effective politicians than BJ, but they certainly don't have the cult of Alexander appeal that he has.
Anyway back to Trump nice of Joe to offer him up a free hit by calling (one of) his supporters trash...
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Well one good thing from the activity on this thread today…… I learned a new phrase! ‘sealioning’…
I’ve experienced it a lot online in various forms and know what the concept is.. But I didn’t know how to articulate that particular pattern of behavior in a concise way!
It's a pretty new concept to me too, to be honest. Though, in hindsight, I've used it on twitter in the past when I've gone on there to vent! 😀
Hopefully ive not done it on here in the past. If I have or ever do, id rightly expect be torn to shreds.lol
^^Oh Lord, he's back! 😀
Ah yes it's the work of a male narcissist to get their son to do their bidding. The son will do anything to please daddy in the hope that it will get said child liked, however this rarely happens, because all the narcissist ever think about is him/her self.
As a matter of interest does Trump do any charitable works, support charities or give to charitable causes?
The Democrats are generally supported by the elite and the establishment, the Republicans by the people
Elon Musk isn't one of the elites?
That is a very funny statement.
Trump is rather unorthodox in the way he speaks
That is the one point which I totally agree with. I have never previously heard a high-profile politician talk publicly so much shite. From suggesting drinking bleach to cure covid to discussing the size of a dead professional golfer's penis.
Yes I would describe that as rather unorthodox. Definitely.
As a matter of interest does Trump do any charitable works, support charities or give to charitable causes?
US President Donald Trump's troubled charity foundation has agreed to close down amid allegations that he and others illegally misused its funds.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46611178
Certainly very statesman like and probably far more appreciated than, say, the measured approach of Obama or a lawyer like Harris. I'd go so far as to say that even Reagan during his decline was more eloquent than Trump.
Have you seen some of the ballot boxes that have been set on fire in Washington and Oregon?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gm3rnjwk4o
I'm really quite worried about the whole thing, if Trump wins things will be shite, If Harris wins Trump will still make sure things will be shite.
Anyway back to Trump nice of Joe to offer him up a free hit by calling (one of) his supporters trash…
Just read up on that, Biden, Biden, Biden... 🙁
Have you seen some of the ballot boxes that have been set on fire in Washington and Oregon?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gm3rnjwk4o
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Yeah, theres something going on in Penn too.
I wonder what goes on in your head when you wake up one day and think “I know what I’ll do today… I’m going to try and convince a bunch of middle-aged mountain bikers, none of whom have a dog in this fight, that they’re all wrong and Donald Trump is actually the messiah”?
Its all very odd
I wonder what goes on in your head when you wake up one day and think “I know what I’ll do today… I’m going to try and convince a bunch of middle-aged mountain bikers, none of whom have a dog in this fight, that they’re all wrong and Donald Trump is actually the messiah”?
The same level of thought which goes into 'You know what, that Donald Trump person has my best interests, our countries best interests and the worlds best interests at heart, I think I will vote for him'.
Are you trying to summon Joe to get explain himself? Suppose it used to work back in the day when invoking Brant would get better On-One customer service response.
I did but the old sod hasn't shown up!
Has anyone listened to the Joe Rogan interview? I managed about 45mins of it out of sheer curiosity. Its remarkable, kind in in the same way true crime dramas or serious car crashes are remarkable. He can't hold a thought, he has no clarity of message, he feels the constant need to say how great he is. He goes from talking about Lincolns bedroom to building luxury buildings to UFC fighters to his sons height, all whilst trying to cover one question. Its just complete and utter word vomit.
He can’t hold a thought, he has no clarity of message, he feels the constant need to say how great he is. He goes from talking about Lincolns bedroom to building luxury buildings to UFC fighters to his sons height, all whilst trying to cover one question. Its just complete and utter word vomit.
Sounds perfect for rogan's audience of incels and bedroom tissue harvesters
May i suggest some light reading listening to understand why this race is so close
Season two of https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0jn1f4d
Lets hope that’s one man who was second supporting another man who will be second
Lol, indeed... And there were only 2 men in the lander so Aldrin is a *massive* loser really. He only had to beat one guy, one guy!... and Armstrong did the landings so he was tired out and could easily have been pushed out of the way. Actually, I wonder what NASA would have done if such a scenario had kicked off in the lander? Not much I suppose, till they were back anyway. 😉
Oh and Aldrin is a shit SF writer too. 🙂
No caption required... Lol
Wonder what thoughts are going through the chap on the right's head.
Well, that’s Buzz Aldrin off my Christmas card list. He’s just endorsed Trump.
That is disappointing. I always thought he was a bit of a dude, having thumped a moon landing conspiracy nutter and got away with it: https://repo.library.stonybrook.edu/xmlui/handle/11401/8438.