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The “counter party that looses money” is the maga crowd that bought the stock on release because they were clueless about the business fundamentals.
Unless of course they were bought by people with deep pockets looking for a way to fund trump but without having to declare that funding. Then the precipitous drop makes more sense. Once it drops far enough they can then start buying more shares to drive the price back up the rinse and repeat
If you don’t watch it all (I did) at least go to 5.00 and listen to his take on the Battle of Gettysburg.
I already know he's a fing idiot, why would I waste my time listening to more of his pish?
I’d like to know how much this circus is costing the average American. He’s never going to prison and his fines will end up being paid from him fleecing people with questionable education and intellect. Who wins?
So they've got 6 of the 12 jurors needed and they are confident the trial might start on Monday.
He had a telling off from the judge for muttering some negative about a potential juror too. He was warned that intimidation of jurors would not be tolerated. What a goon old Trump is.
I already know he’s a fing idiot, why would I waste my time listening to more of his pish?
Well hell Spin, I didn't say it was mandatory.
^ Yep, that's the bit in klunk's video at 5.00. have you taken a look. Amazing stuff! 🥴
I hope Bidens campaign are collecting clips like that to fire back every time Trump uses his age against him.
I hope Bidens campaign are collecting clips like that
I think the big quandary the US media have at the moment is they feel a little bit to blame for Trump's success in 2016 because they feel now they gave too much airtime to Trump's longwinded rallies which would often be broadcast live. They're deliberately not doing that this time around but that means the only way a lot of Trumps output is viewed is in short clips.
It puts his hours of haphazard verbal incontinence and Biden fumbling one sentence on an equal footing.
Seen as isolated clips even if you string a load of them together someone can convince themselves that stuff is 'out of context' but I think even a Trump voter would struggle to watch a full 2-3hr live stream of Trump and find a context around any of the nonsense. Pull back and view in the context of the paragraph before and the paragraph after its clear its all just one big verbal pinball machine and I think some of the channels are now thinking of putting full live broadcasts out again for that reason.
The presenter of that vid lined above is almost as annoying as Trump... play the clip
Trump/Truth Social being trolled by Biden. He probably won't get a job as a comedian but Trumps an easy hit, let's face it. 😁
In same vid a *very short* segment that verifies what a few of you have been saying about who will win and who will lose from the continuing plunge in TS stock.
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2024/04/17/biden-trump-media-stock-value-drop-src-digvid.cnn
The best place for trump is in a soft cell.
He's bloody nuts, man!
$30 today!
To the Moon!
I'm going to put my move all of my pension into it.
Full jury confirmed!
17 funniest captions for this courtroom sketch from Trump’s hush money trial
https://www.thepoke.com/2024/04/18/reactions-to-courtroom-sketch-from-trumps-trial/
"the moment before he realised what had been intended as a ,'loud and proud' was actually a shart"
Doesn’t he wear diapers for that reason?
Jimmy Kimmel was on fine form last night (for anyone who watches his YouTube monologues)
matt_outandabout
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“the moment before he realised what had been intended as a ,’loud and proud’ was actually a shart”
😂
Picking the Jurors.
The best bit about this whole thing is the lawyers asking the individual jurors questions about their SM opinions on Trump, one was asked "Did you write who does Donald's make-up, Ronald McDonald?" out loud in a courtroom 3 feet away from Trump who cannot say a thing.
Poor thing. Hope he has some nice wooly socks for the rest of the trial.
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1781072668432760955
Christ.
Someone outside the court has appeared to set themselves on fire.
It's a rapidly unfolding situation, we will bring you more updates shortly.
No one yet sure of why, horrible either way. Reminds me of those terrible videos from Vietnam during the war.
Came here to pay about it....
In broad daylight.
What a cause to die for!?!
Cult.
No reports saying what the cause is, could be for or again Trump.
With that behaviour for such a petty cause I’m going out on a limb and saying pro Trump. That, or he accidentally set fire to his own legs because Trump supporter. Not even comparable to what Thích Quảng Đức did in protest of the treatment of Buddhists by the South Vietnamese government of the time. That guy sacrificed himself in an attempt to raise awareness and ease the suffering of others.
BBC:
Police say the man was not targeting any people or any particular groups when he lit himself on fire.
Authorities are currently combing through the man's social media. They say it appears he did post something online about his plans.
At this time, they believe he was motivated by conspiracies.
There are details online, it seems to be, at this stage, he was heavily into some conspiracy stuff from the flyers and a post he made online.
It wasn't anything to do with Trump as such.
Terribly bloody sad.
More information here - I know Newsweek isn't the best source, but it's mainly just extracts from his substack site.
Lots of talk of ponzi schemes, and the blue/red divide being a fabrication
Trail starts Monday with opening statements! Trump's lawyers complained that they haven't been given a witness list, and wanted a delay, and the Judge more or less told them to STFU and stop complaining. As he finally got round to closing the court room, Trumps stands to leave and Judge tells him "Sit back down Sir, we're not done yet" hahahahaha...Defence attorney says "We'll give you the name of the first witness, if that name appears in social media anywhere beforehand, that's the last time we're giving you that courtesy...I wonder if Trump can last that long...
Meantime, in another court not that far away... The £175M bond offer has finally been rejected, and Trumps got 7 days to come with an alternative. Hearing's on Monday.
Meantime...At least 3 Republicans have said they'll resign if MTG tries the vacate the speaker chair again.
Trump's not going to have a great weekend, I reckon.
A couple of nuances I heard yesterday about the whole Truth Social shares thing.
One is the valuation v the revenue of the business. For all the fanfare of going public and launching on the stock exchange - the annual revenue of Truth Social ($4m) and number of people it employs (36) makes it a business comparable in scale to single MacDonalds franchise 🙂
The other is - although the majority share holder - Trump has never put a penny into the business. Share prices are free falling but he's not losing anything (other than the fictional value they had) but all the other small -time shareholders are losing their own real money.
In other 'getting everyone else to pay for stuff' news. The RNC recently pledged that all their campaign funds (which they haven't been terribly successful in raising compared to Biden) would be committed to the Donald's campaign, at the expense of every other republican candidate in every other election. Come election day there are dozens of positions to vote on (in some states as many as 60) , not just the President and all those candidate's ambitions have been sacrificed to the Don. Now the RNC has demanded that any funds that candidates raise themselves (for any local, state or national election) they have to pass over a percentage to the RNC to give to Donald. It remarkable how they keep feeding the cuckoo in the nest.
The guy has died now 😕
The guy has died now 😕
For clarity, that's the guy who set himself alight yesterday outside the court, not the Orange Shitgibbon.
I don’t think the world could be that lucky.
No, I keep hoping Dementia Don will fall into a narcoleptic coma and get carted off to a care home for someone else to change his diapers.
So interestingly, there's been some gossip on the US news channels about some of the unchallenged prosecution evidence - before these sorts of criminal trails there's always some to and fro between the lawyers about what they'll accept as true without challenging it in court and so speed things along.
In Cohen's trail the evidence was that the meeting arranged to finalise the agreement to "catch and kill" stories about Trump's affairs with 'glamour' models and porn-stars was between Cohen and Pecker (the news media executive who was going to do the catch and kill work ) and a "Third senior Trump campaign officer" . It's now being suggested that the defence aren't going to challenge the fact that that 3rd member of the meeting was in fact Trump.
Putting him at the meeting that agreed the payments to bury these stories, and so presumably the fact that they were coming from Cohen, and that Cohen would be reimbursed.
Apologies it's not specifically Trump related, but does mention MAGA, and I couldn't resist...
https://twitter.com/GrandpaHarris65/status/1782204259041432063?t=Y2UzIBbp6w8ZJI6Z9cR4Ng&s=19
Some first class trolling from Bennie Thompson.
https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1781381056702119975
First day proper of trump's election interference case is over; nothing contentious - in the court room.
Judge Merchan will be hearing prosecution allegations, first thing tomorrow, that trump has repeatedly breached gag order.
So what does the odious orange one do while still in the court house? Goes on an extended rant about...unfair charges, weaponisation of DoJ against him, judge in current case being conflicted, Judge Engoron in the fraud case not understanding the applicable law, the fraud case should have been heard in commercial court - and on and on he went.
I can't imagine that Judge Merchan hasn't watched that repeatedly; trump could be in for a slapping.
My guess would be...fine for each gag breach; repetition will bring more serious consequences leading to...you're not listening to the instructions of this court mr trump so have you brought your toothbrush for your overnight stay behind bars?
^^ There had to be a point where the judge will have no other option as fines are obviously not much of a deterrent.
Thing is, I wonder if that's what trump wants? To be a martyr, "standing up for freedom of speech". You can just hear in your head how he will spin it.
He's been playing the victim for years now, it still stuns me that the MAGA types still see him as a hero that cares about them. Defies belief.
Will the judge be bothered about how Trump supporters perceive any punishment? Or will they simply follow court procedures out of fair application of process?
In the UK it is OK to take public interest aspects into account when sentencing, the guidelines have wriggle room for that.
It is not just about procedure, there comes a stage in any procedure when a judgment based on numerous factors has to be made.
Not surprised. Judge just told his defence attorney that he's "losing all credibility with the court" in his arguments about Trump potentially violating a gag order.
It's worth noting that Trump's attorney is normally a prosecutor not a defence lawyer
It’s worth noting that Trump’s attorney is normally a prosecutor not a defence lawyer
What level prosecutor though? Local court prosecuting dime bag drug dealers or federal court prosecuting Russian money laundering? My assumption is that any decent lawyer would be able to switch between prosecuting or defending, depending on who pays more. Problem seems to be that Trump's lawyer has annoyed the judge, seems like an dumb mistake to me.
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1782777426470191576
Each of trump's attorneys in this case - Blanche, Bove and Necheles - have significant high level prosecutorial experience with a spread of private and public and private experience.
Habba may be present - is she? - but is nothing other than trump's mouthpiece so I'm discounting her.
What level prosecutor though? Local court prosecuting dime bag drug dealers or federal court prosecuting Russian money laundering? My assumption is that any decent lawyer would be able to switch between prosecuting or defending, depending on who pays more. Problem seems to be that Trump’s lawyer has annoyed the judge, seems like an dumb mistake to me.
My thoughts exactly, a hot-shot, high flying prosecutor I'd expect could also turn thier hand to being a good defence lawyer as you'd have to be well versed in both sides, to be effective at either at a high level?
I really, really hope the stress of it all kills him. I know a few on here get all hand wringing and virtuoso about such things but, there are some people whose death would genuinely make the world a better and safer place. Donald and Vlad are up there.
That's a horrible thing to wish for ,no swift exit.
I would rather he had something that left him mute,and spent his last years in absolute misery.
I really, really hope the stress of it all kills him.
I think the problem is, with people like trump, they don't get stressed in the way most people do, I dunno whether it's extreme narcissim, or psychopathy or whatever, but there's no way a 'normal' 77 year old could cope with the stress, unless they were “neurodivergent” in some way, to put it politley!
I'm very amused by Cohen referring to trump as 'MrVonShitzinPants'.
Putting the puerile humour to one side, it would be helpful to the prosecution if they told ALL of their witnesses - definites and possibles - to say nothing in public until the case is over.
Don't want to give the defence any opening.
I hope he just has a long life in utter obscurity, forgotten by the world.
That would be a punishment worse than death for someone like him, I approve.
Trump claims ‘thousands of people’ were stopped from protesting his trial...
...that’s not what reporters on the scene saw.
Thousands of people were turned away from the Courthouse in Lower Manhattan by steel stanchions and police, literally blocks from the tiny side door from where I enter and leave. It is an armed camp to keep people away. Maggot Hagerman of The Failing New York Times, falsely reported that I was disappointed with the crowds. No, I’m disappointed with Maggot, and her lack of writing skill, and that some of these many police aren’t being sent to Columbia and NYU to keep the schools open and the students safe. The Legal Scholars call the case a Scam that should never have been brought. I call it Election Interference and a personal hit job by a conflicted and corrupt Judge who shouldn’t be allowed to preside over this Political Hoax. New York Justice is being reduced to ashes, and the World is breathlessly watching. Hopefully, Appellate Courts can save it, and all of the companies that are fleeing to other jurisdictions. They can no longer take a chance on New York Justice!
If nothing else, you have to laugh at his transparent abuse of capital letters in an attempt to make his words appear in a certain way.
He clearly got his degree from the Trump school of wordiology.
I think the capital letters are genius - they enable me to read it in his voice, placing emphasis on certain words.
"The Legal Scholars call the case a Scam that should never have been brought. I call it Election Interference and a personal hit job by a conflicted and corrupt Judge who shouldn’t be allowed to preside over this Political Hoax."
I can just hear his Voice as I Read it.
Erm - isn’t he under a gag order??
My assumption is that any decent lawyer would be able to switch between prosecuting or defending, depending on who pays more.
In the US system, prosecutors are publicly elected to the state, and rarely do any actually court work, hiring others to do that for them. Bragg isn't in the court room for instance. Blanche (Trumps lawyer) was a prosecutor working with Bragg, then joined a Wall St firm (natch) and then essentially moved to Florida to take on Trump as his client.
He's done this work - defence lawyer in an actual court case, just the once before
@theotherjonv - I saw what you did there...
Supreme Court immunity from prosecution hearing https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-weighs-trumps-bid-immunity-prosecution-2024-04-25/
Rudy Giuliani, and 17 others, charged in Arizona. Donald Trump named as an unindicted co-conspirator https://www.reuters.com/world/us/grand-jury-indicts-18-alleged-arizona-fake-elector-scheme-re-elect-trump-2024-04-24/
What's the probability that SCOTUS will decide (with some flowery words about the responsibility of Presidents) that generally speaking POTUS isn't above the law, but in this very specific case, this very specific Ex-pres somehow will be?
I don't think that even this scotus would be that idiotic.
All they are going to do is delay the trials so that if trump wins they will go away, and if he loses the election it won't matter as he will likely be dead by the time of the next one
well, given Roe vs Wade, their record thus far isn't sparkly. I think you're right, I think they'll kick it as far past November as they can in the hope that Trump will get so roundly defeated that the whole thing becomes moot, or like you say; he dies while they dither.
Looks like Trump has been handed down a contempt of court judgement for violating the terms of the gag order in the hush money trial. Unfortunately it's only a $9000 dollar fine but he has been threatened with jail time if he "wilfully" breaches it again.
But more importantly, charged with an offence that means he's now breached the terms for bail on all the other cases he's charged with.
I expect that none of the other judges will act on it. They don’t have the balls to do it. Any normal citizen would already be in jail already. 🤷♂️
Evidence in court is not looking good for ol' Trumpy tho his lawyers seem to be doing a decent job of attacking witnesses.
Given how far Biden has shoved his head up Netanyahu's arse with his handling of the war/protests I think trump has a good chance of becoming president this year, its bidens presidency to lose....and he's doing a good job of it.
Oh Lando, I'm conflicted...
Trump claims ‘thousands of people’ were stopped from protesting his trial
In truth they were - thousands of his supporters were prevented from gathering outside the courthouse by them simply failing to give enough of a **** or simply just having anything else to do. Theres going to be a trump court case happening somewhere most days, most weeks, all year. Why turn up to support or protest today instead of yesterday or tomorrow or next week or next month?
Judge losing patience and Secret Service getting prepared....
BBC News - Trump trial live: Judge warns the former president risks jail over gag order violations - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-68955286