I don't think Trump cares either way about Climate Science, but there's no doubt that it's a politicised and partisan subject in the States.
<span style="font-size: 12.8px;">If Ninfan wants to observe the niceties of conversation, then he can do that, it's entirely up to him. If he wants to act like a troll, he can do that also, it's entirely up to him. He's been banned for derailing almost every political thread he joins on any number of occasions. What he can't do is act like a troll, and then whine about the fact that no-one takes him seriously when he attempts to make some petty point of obfuscation or autistically narrow point of historical accuracy, when he's clearly just on a wind up (like his ill advised attempt at defending the Nazi Party for not actually inventing Zyklon B). Personally I'll respond to him in the way I find him 99% of the time.</span>
TJ I am not doing a cod psychology discussion about a diagnosis of a man neither of us have ever met and if we did either of is qualified to diagnose.
Glass houses dude glass housesHe simply is incapable of believing he can be wrong
Ninfan never acts seriously - he as an act, like the trump, and when he has to he will try to sound rational to hook anyone into his little scribbles. Trump craves adulation ninfan craves attention.
He has no serious points to make ever he just has a number of methods to try and catch lefty [ everyone not a nazi] fish into debating so he can prod some more.
Both are pretty effective with their MO as even those who can see it engage with it
Junkyard - its the opinion of a number of prominent US psychologists and its actually really obvious. Trump simply is not wired up the same way as most of us and is actually incapable of accepting he can ever be wrong
Its is not a mental illness - its a wiring fault
According to DSM-5, individuals with NPD have most (at least five) or all of the symptoms listed below (generally without commensurate qualities or accomplishments).
<p class="rteindent1">1 Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment by others.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">2 Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">3 Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">4 Needing constant admiration from others.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">5 Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">6 Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">7 Unwilling to empathize with others' feelings, wishes, or needs.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">8 Intensely jealous of others and the belief that others are equally jealous of them.</p>
<p class="rteindent1">9 Pompous and arrogant demeanor.</p>
I agree that relations between Trump and the GOP are strained, it’s worth remembering that Bannon has been a driving force behind selecting a new cadre of candidates who fit his ideology and not the traditional GOP way of doing things - Roy Moore being a prime example.
While we react with incredulity at Trump, we must remember that the GOP is quietly pushing a new agenda even more radical than the PNAC (Project for a New American Century) programme we saw during the early 2000s under Bush. There’s long term planning that’ll take at least a decade to come to fruition.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Trump jettisoned by his own party before he becomes a liability. I doubt very much that he’ll be in a position to stand for another term. The litmus test will be how badly the Republican will be mauled in the mid-terms - a large number of Republican representatives are opting for retirement, more so than usual so expect ultra-conservative, ultra-corporate candidates with a radical agenda.
[b]Junkyard[/b] wrote:
He has no serious points to make ever he just has a number of methods to try and catch lefty [ everyone not a nazi] fish into debating so he can prod some more.
Both are pretty effective with their MO as even those who can see it engage with it
Guilty. But then I enjoy taking the piss out of him - and I suspect having the piss taken isn't exactly the engagement he's after.
true but its pointless as like trump he knows what he is doing and he knows how to prod ad its not that hard to do.....almost irresistibly
PS the signature bit of the app does not work as i added this to than you
aracer made this all possible
thanks for doing it.
I agree that relations between Trump and the GOP are strained, it’s worth remembering that Bannon has been a driving force behind selecting a new cadre of candidates who fit his ideology and not the traditional GOP way of doing things – Roy Moore being a prime example.
As I said before don't forget Sessions, there is a reason he got AG and will not resign.
BAZELON: Well, Bannon and Sessions share an ideology that - they often talk about it as being anti-immigrant. And it is. But I think that it's broader than that. I think they really see the chief internal threat of the country as being the way the country's demographics are changing. We're going to go from being a country with about 30 percent of minority voters to about 40 percent in a few presidential cycles. And that - unless the Republican Party changes its platform, that will be a challenge to Republicans and to Trump's base of support, which is 90 percent white.
But I also think there's a kind of deeper cultural discomfort with the growing population of people who are not white in this country, coming from a kind of traditional white sense of propriety of what America is about. That is what's motivating Sessions and Bannon, and that it's part of what's driving the more extreme elements of this presidency.
GROSS: So the goal is to keep America more white and Christian?
BAZELON: Well, yes. I think, bluntly speaking, that's the case. So Sessions, for example, on Bannon's radio show a couple of years ago was talking about an earlier period in American history of high immigration in the beginning of the 20th century. And he talked about that as a radical time. And he used that in a kind of pejorative sense. And then he said that the solution was the 1924 immigration quotas Congress passed and that those quotas were, quote, "good for America."
So the 1924 immigration quotas barred immigration from most of Asia. And they tightly capped the number of people who could come from Italy, the number of Jews, people from the Middle East and Africa. So we're not talking about a kind of neutral form of immigration restrictions. We're talking about a particular way of trying to hold on to a vision of America, the kind of traditional Christian European demographic.
GROSS: So you say that Sessions and Bannon see immigration and the country's changing demographics as America's chief internal threat. What is the threat?
BAZELON: Well, I think from their point of view, there's a kind of cultural threat going on. So one of the things Bannon said before the election was that he was worried that so many of the CEOs in Silicon Valley were from South Asia or from Asia.
And then he said a country is more than an economy, we're a civic society. That seems to imply that if we have too many minorities and foreign-born people here, we're not going to have the same kind of civic society that we've had in the past, that there is a kind of damage or fraying that will be happening. And that's a, you know, very distinct idea of why you want to prevent immigration.
Trump is a tool in their game, unfortunately the instruction got lost in the post and what they thought was some simple play dough turns out to be a hand grenade.
Thank you @mikewsmith, that's interesting reading. Certainly there's a great deal of anti-immigrant sentiment being whipped up, having perused Breitbart and the Drudge Report myself it's notable that anti-migrant and anti-welfare agendas which more often than not lurch into blatant falsehood are being pushed heavily.
I refer back to Newt Gingrich's famous TV interview when he stated that crime was on the increase in America. The interviewer corrected him, but Gingrich responded that Americans don't feel safer regardless of the statistics. Very telling.
[b]Junkyard[/b] wrote:
PS the signature bit of the app does not work as i added this to than you
I haven't bothered fixing it - I didn't know anybody used it (I had my knuckles rapped when I tried doing stuff with it 😉 ) Maybe next release as it should be a 5/10 minute fix.
There's a new update though in the main forum whinge thread - I've made the links "work" from the list of your replies.
"Well, yes. I think, bluntly speaking, that’s the case. So Sessions, for example, on Bannon’s radio show a couple of years ago was talking about an earlier period in American history of high immigration"
The 1600s?
@Junky
Ninfan never acts seriously – he as an act, like the trump, and when he has to he will try to sound rational to hook anyone into his little scribbles. Trump craves adulation ninfan craves attention.
He has no serious points to make ever he just has a number of methods to try and catch lefty [ everyone not a nazi] fish into debating so he can prod some more.
Both are pretty effective with their MO as even those who can see it engage with it
U OK Hun?
back to God Emperor Trump (PBUH) is it really news to anyone that the establishment of the Republican Party don’t like him and didn’t want him? Did none of you follow the primaries?
Nope not news at all, it's obvious to us all there is a massive split in there. It will be one of the things that brings him down.
as far as I know ninfan withering contempt is not fatal...you are living proof of that
Even your "insults" are tired cliches these days...what has happened to you fella?
“it’s obvious to us all there is a massive split in there. It will be one of the things that stops him winning the primaries/stops him winning the election/stops him being inaugurated/means he won’t last a year/won’t last the term/stops him getting re-elected/won’t last two terms*”
*Delete as appropriate
FTFY
Which leads me to Trump (and I mean the GOP) and their strategy. Clearly, western powers have little answer for the asymmetric warfare being waged by states like Russia, China, North Korea, etc. In order to plug that gap, they’re investing heavily in conventional forces and an aggressive nuclear doctrine. Nations that are ostensibly NATO partners such as Poland, the Czech Republic and Turkey are rapidly lurching towards Russia-friendly authoritarianism and America seems to have no answer to this.
Im torn there, you need to see Russian actions in the light of Georgia and Ukraine - Eastern expansion ideas of the EU (and to a lesser extent European NATO members) in many ways amounted to pissing in Russia’s back yard. Not a particuarly popular interpretation around these parts: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal--20160530-snap-story.html
Yep the EU and Nato are expanding into the east, yep it's pissing off Russia by offering the countries membership without invasion, Russia is now in a real 3rd/4th place on the world stage which is why they are so keen to destabilise the US and the EU. A strong EU can stand up to the bullying tactics over oil and gas and can help the former USSR states more than Russia can.
Russia is a broken state with serious internal problems, and we all know the best way to deal with those...
Anyway back to today's news and the Rep/Trump team are going for the inadmissible evidence defense WRT Carter Page, problem is they are not playing the right game, the intel was gathered, the stuff was found. The more Trump goes after the FBI the thinner the ice gets.
Might get a case of these sent to Trump Tower
Why bother when so few of the lefties on here have the intelligence to hold a halfway decent conversation?
Do you actually believe, Ninny, that [i]everyone[/i], including me, who doesn’t have your obsessive love-affair with Trump is then a left-wing Commie Pinko?
Because I can, most definitely assure you, that you are profoundly wrong.
Those Peterson memes are going to outlive us all.
I've been having some twitter ''debates' with people celebrating Darren Osborne the Finsbury park terrorist as a hero, they all align along the Trump/Brexit/EDL/BNP axis and seem to genuinely think that ninfans style of meme is the absolute truth.
There's a scary world of right wing nutjobs out there, it's the reason I don't use the killfile, it's important to remember just how batshit some people are.
Hmm. One wonders whereabouts "ninfan" might elsewhere be connected...
has anybody seen the piece the bbc did of piers and trump? now im not fan of either , but a national news agency doing a cartoon of that nature is outrage.
Yes I saw it.
I thought it an entirely accurate illustration of the crawling sycophantic lickspittling approach adopted by the appalling Piers Morgan in toadying up to his favourite Father figure.
Err you do realise that the 'Mash Report' is comedy/satire and not hard hitting news.
has anybody seen the piece the bbc did of piers and trump? now im not fan of either , but a national news agency doing a cartoon of that nature is outrage.
Made me laugh.
The low key reporting of the memo is revealing. Just confirms the media were part of it. The memo vindicates Trump, confirms the suspicions of the deep state tin foil hatters and reveals a coup attempt. As this stuff escalates, and it will, the memo is the tip of the iceberg, it's hard to see how Trump won't become unbeatable.
In what way does the memo vindicate trump? Its simply more distraction
there is undoubted proof of his obstructing justice and colluding with Russia. The legal quagmire he is embedded in is going to destroy his presidency as it is going to occupy all his limited attention
Mid terms will be the real test and that is looking like a complete disaster for the republicans
The memo confirms what ?
That trump's advisor's were being monitored based on the Steele dossier ?
It's a bigger non- event than that time Bird launched a bike with 12 gears 😉
But it does give all the batshit deep staters, something to consider as they sagely say ''makes you think"
More importantly it's good groundwork for keeping trump's base on side for the final Meuller charges, which otherwise might be problematic for trump
(See also Mogg creating #fakenews myths about impact assessments)
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In what way does the memo vindicate trump? Its simply more distraction"
Oh come on- it's a note from his mate saying everything's fine, how can you doubt it?
The memo vindicates Trump
its the most obvious piece of partisan reporting done for political reasons whilst refusing to release the democrat version of it. We are in a deep dark place of newspeak irony when a politically motivated, and according to the FBI without material facts, memo proves someone else was politically motivated.
The only surprise to me is how far the republican establishment are going to protect their party rather than the state and they really are my party right or wrong and before the nation.
it’s hard to see how Trump won’t become unbeatable.
it’s important to remember just how batshit some people are.
lol @ northwind
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;">But it does give all the batshit deep staters, something to consider as they sagely say ”makes you think</span>
The amazing thing is that out of the conspiracy types the ones with the best case for arguing the FBI pushed the election one way or another are the democrat leaning ones. Given that out of the two sets of investigations only one was made public just before election day.
The republicans though are going to support him for as long as possible to stack the courts with their young (ish) judges since that will cripple any future democrat party for years to come.
Dunno what to make of the big bad wolf book but
Mark Corallo was instructed not to speak to the press, indeed not to even answer his phone," Wolff writes. "Later that week, Corallo, seeing no good outcome — and privately confiding that he believed the meeting on Air Force One represented a likely obstruction of justice — quit.
IMHO when your legal people do a runner early on in the game then your probably not onto a winner.
Reading a piece in the Grauniad earlier about documentary film-maker Alex Gibney, who’s latest film is about Trump, and he said this about Trump;
[b]“The final film in the series focuses on Trump, who has been covered endlessly over the past couple of years. What more was there to add?[/b]
The essence of Trump’s appeal was that he’s a great businessman, so therefore he’ll be a great president. We thought, OK then, let’s take a focused look at what he was like as a businessman.
[b]Not so great, it turns out…[/b]
He was an absolutely terrible businessman. Every business he touched withered and died and he would always leave someone else holding the bag. You look at the trail of slime he left behind and just shake your head and wonder.
[b]Why do you think people are still buying into him?[/b]
It’s something I dealt with in my film about Scientology: some people just have the need to believe in Trump. They come to feel that he represents part of their character. No matter how much evidence you present to them about what a bad guy this is, they don’t want to hear it, because somehow an attack on Trump is an attack on them.
[b]Can you imagine him staying the course?[/b]
Yes I can. A similar thing happened in Russia when Putin rose to power: everybody mocked him as some small apparatchik who wasn’t going to stand the test of time. But power has a way of solidifying.”
So when will Trump take credit for the massive crash on the Dow?
That's a new high, that one.
Meanwhile, Trump's comments on Congresspeople who didn't applaud him at the state of the union: "Un-American. Can we call that treason? Why not?"
^ it's not true unfortunately - he didn't tweet that he should be shot from a cannon
Sad!
https://www.snopes.com/did-trump-tweet-president-dow-joans/
Also, careful NW, you'll have ninny after you. What he said was:
"Vaguely noting that "someone" called the Democrats' reactions "'treasonous,'" Trump said he agreed. "I mean, yeah, I guess. Why not? ... Can we call that treason? Why not? I mean, they certainly didn’t seem to love our country very much."
Pedant/
so as you can see, he was ASKING why OTHER PEOPLE shouldn't regard it as treasonous.
Just like when he said he was calling for a muslim ban, wasn't the same as saying that he would do it.... you know, he was just calling for it.
/Pedant
Just to be clear, I'm mocking his apologists on here. Donny is clearly saying that he thinks it's treasonous (actually a crime) and unAmerican (pretty much the worst thing you can accuse an American of, I believe) not to applaud him - that was the clear message of what he was saying.
The fact that he didn't say that exactly/precisely, is a measure of the fact that he's barely coherent whenever he speaks without a script, and habitually scatters 'I dunno" and "maybe" and "people told me" etc throughout anything he says to avoid being held accountable for the drivvel he's spouting.
Interesting that he's clearly linking the love of America with the love of him. Wonder if that's the first time he's done that so transparently? Surely that's on the "potential despot" bingo card somewhere? All I need now is for him to start wearing a military uniform in public with an impossibly large number of medals.
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;">All I need now is for him to start wearing a military uniform in public with an impossibly large number of medals.</span>
Maybe he will start some military parades through Washington to show belief in the true leader.
You're just upset because he's right
Its called respecting the office of the President of the United States, because he's the elected representative of the people, not because you like him or agree with him
As so delicately explained by President Bartlett
Ignorant tightass club eh? I've never heard STW described better 😉
As for lefties making up fake tweets and then repeating them verbatim as if true... I'm sure theres some sort of phrase for that. Still, I guess fake news is permissible as long as it makes your hurted feelings better.
<span style="color: #444444; font-size: 12px;">You’re just upset because he’s right</span>
If you believe that then you are absolutely nuts.
You could claim that they were disrespectful or not honouring traditions but calling someone a traitor for not being a sycophant really is something reserved for dictators.
Its also rather hypocritical bearing in mind Trumps attacks on Obama
Well.... ok.
good to hear everyone has their priorities in order - admitting sexual assault is ok, but not clapping during the presidents speech is treasonous and un-American.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/16/americans-fake-news-study-339184
TL;DR? People are idiots, but republicans quantifiably moreso. In particular they have a tendency towards labelling news they don't like 'fake news', even if they believe it to be factually accurate. 😕
They're also more motivated by fear.
"<span style="font-family: 'Lyon Text', Georgia, Times, serif; font-size: 18px;">But </span>several studies show<span style="font-family: 'Lyon Text', Georgia, Times, serif; font-size: 18px;"> that conservatives tend to be more sensitive to the possibility of danger than liberals are. That helps explain why conservatives endorse policies that minimize the introduction of new, potentially harmful influences to society, like immigration, gay marriage, or comprehensive sex education. “Conservatives approach the situation from the start with greater reactivity to threat, a greater prior belief to the level of danger in the world, so it is logical for the conservative to take more seriously information about hazards than the liberal does,” Fessler told me."</span>
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/why-fake-news-targeted-trump-supporters/515433/
good to hear everyone has their priorities in order – admitting sexual assault is ok, but not clapping during the presidents speech is treasonous and un-American.
I wonder where you would place deliberately withholding key information from the court in order to obtain a surveillance warrant in that spectrum?
