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He has set up a go fund me
He'll be F5ing it all day 😆
For anyone who wants a laugh. Target goal $355,000,000 Currently at $38,887
https://www.gofundme.com/f/stand-with-trump-raise-the-settlement
The gofundme has been set up by some woman in Florida who refers to herself in her bio as '...an ardent supporter of American justice'.
Irony meter just exploded.
This particular appeal is best described as a digital begging bowl.
Now at c$43k; most common amount seems to be $5.
A long but interesting read:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/17/trump-hubris-family-empire-new-york
Gives some interesting back story to the Trump ‘success story’, reads like the narration of Goodfellas!
Ahh, so superpac money can't be used for his legal fees.
https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1758634265376612622
Could he do the equivalent of a gofundme to pay it off? His supporters with barely two beans to rub together would no doubt empty their bank accounts to help the (supposed) billionaire Donny get back to the financial state he deserves.
Could he do the equivalent of a gofundme to pay it off?
https://twitter.com/ElenaCardone/status/1758625962948714817
Useful summary. Basically, he's going to have to come up with a shedload of cash, put up assets as collateral, or sell assets.
Can Trump pay? What if he doesn’t? Here’s what to know about Trump’s massive civil judgments.
The problem will be that if he survives this he stands a non-zero chance of being president. This makes him a ripe target for someone who actually has the money to buy leverage. It's not a great situation for America
This makes him a ripe target for someone who actually has the money to buy leverage
good job we’ve never elected anyone in a position like that
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Oof, it seems that the law of diminishing returns also applies to American plutocrats who backed the Republican party.
I was in the pub the other evening, having a drink with a friend whom I consider to possess a keen intellect. "The reason why I liked Trump is because he was strong and would tell Putin where to go" they said.
Me: "Pee tapes?"
Them: "Well, you never know what Trump is going to do next. He'd have Vlad on the ropes"
Me: "....."
Yeah had that with a friend in Florida. Apparently Trump might have some issues with how he does business and may be a little in it for himself, but he delivered on 90% of the promises he made before he took office.
he delivered on 90% of the promises he made before he took office.
Infrastructure week?
Health care reform?
Lock em up?
Winning so much that everybody got sick of winning?
Build the wall?
New trade pact to replace NAFTA?
Ending North Korean and Iranian nuclear proliferation?
Hire the best people?
Don't worry he is selling pumps now the ones that go on your feet. He got rounds of boos for the privilege too.
Yeah, lots of complaints on sneakercon's social media but...there he was, looking like he just stepped out of a creosote-filled bath.
Punting sneakers at upto $400/pr.
Have they been designed to accommodate bone spurs?
My perception of the Trump-supporting demographic is the not-young, rural, F150-driving/karen/evangelist/alpha male type. Surely the opposite of the type who would buy some gold hightop pumps?
It would be funny if there were a way for them to be embraced by more a more woke/hipster/LGBGT demographic in a way that didn't financially benefit Trump.
Struck me that Trump actually dodged a bit of a bullet in the New York case. He winged all along that he was being tried without a jury even that that was exactly what he and his lawyers requested. However in the E Jean Carrol case there was a jury and it was the jury that set the damages..... at 3 times the amount that Carrol's lawyers were requesting. Makes you wonder what sort of bill Trump would be faced with just now if he'd got the jury he claims he was denied.
Here's one I prepared earlier
and in the interest of balance
They do look classy though.
Only if I take my glasses off and squint real hard!
Here’s one I prepared earlier
Trump's weird up-do seems to slowly be getting more and more square.
Two things occur to me about Trump's re-fried Liberace hair and makeup. One is - he does it himself. Despite being the winningest ever business man and best president ever - he takes the time out of every day to do that, before he attends to any matters of business, politics or loading leaf blowers full of milllions of dollars of cash and blasting them around a courtroom. Before he does all that he crafts that weird head and face.
Steve Jobs reputedly used to wear the same jeans and polo neck all the time becuase he was so busy and had so much to think about he didnt want to waste any of that head space of thinking about his clothes. But Trump seems always to manage to find that little bit of me-time.
The other thing is - no matter how fanatical his fan base - buying his Trump Steaks and his NFTs and his scraps of his suits - nobody buys into the hair. Elvis fans had Elvis haircuts, Beatles fans had Beatles Haircuts. Nobody thinks - 'Trumps a cool guy, I wanna look like him'
That’s only because nobody knows how to craft that hair. It defies all logic and rules of barbering. He’s probably so shit at business and being president because it takes him nine hours and two coats of Cuprinol just to look borderline human.
he takes the time out of every day to do that
Maybe not every day. The reports of foul body odour may be because he doesn't shower regularly because his hair and makeup take so long.
He's an extremely vain, narcissistic man. He probably does it himself because he doesn't want anyone else to see how he really looks.
He probably does it himself because he doesn’t want anyone else to see how he really looks.
It reminds me a little of this guy
George Carlin didn't have a very good grasp of statistics.....
Very very good episode of the Leading Podcast (Alastair Campbell and Rory Stuart) with Anthony Scaramucci. Worth a listen if you've got an hour in the car or whatever coming up.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4MkZdVG2pZ3Pzir8wp0X7q?si=bpgtrWykQzOXZnSDWOYP3Q
In fact the week before with Robert Sapolsky is very good too with a Trump element.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4uzO5YJ0k7HeELtjm9ZAdq?si=65Ltark6SRaMyJdVVeaoVQ
Other podcast providers available (although for some reason it doesn't come up properly in Google podcasts)
gofundme now $438k from 8800 donors; there have been a handful of donations >$10k.
Avg $50 per donation so at that rate they only need another 7 million donations. Bigly.
Half of adults have a poorer than average grasp of statistics.
I'm going to steal that.
Christ, when you don't know what to say, don't say anything.
https://twitter.com/Victorshi2020/status/1759592155633324369
He simply lacks the mental capacity now to put the brakes on his narcissistic need to make everything about The Donald.
Is He is hoping the following of his think it happened in the US?
I think those new York judgments are hitting home.
That is a pretty baffling connection of thoughts/events.
OK, so what's wrong with the statement about 50% of people are below average (assuming we're talking about median here of course)?
It's about the actual definition of below average intelligence, the way IQ scores are designed, and the way that these scores are distributed across the population. Basically, anything from 90 to 110 IQ is defined as average, and half of all so in fact, a much smaller proportion of people (a quarter, roughly) are actually defined as 'below average intelligence'.
eg:
Under 70 [mentally retarded] -- 2.2%
70-80 [borderline retarded] -- 6.7%
80-90 [low average] -- 16.1%
90-110 [average] -- 50%
110-120 [high average] -- 16.1%
120-130 [superior] -- 6.7%
Over 130 [very superior] -- 2.2%
OK, so what’s wrong with the statement about 50% of people are below average (assuming we’re talking about median here of course)?
Conversationally we say ’average’ to mean normal or typical. But in mathematical terms isn’t it adding all the values in a group together and dividing by the number of values? So that can give atypical results as the ‘average’
If you have a group of ten people - 9 of them a quid and one has £1m then on average they all have £100,000 but also 90% or them have a below average amount of money.
But not for long as the millionaire is outnumbered and will soon be dead.
On average, we have fewer than two arms.
That is a pretty baffling connection of thoughts/events.
That's a pretty normal response in the US "Mainstream" Alternative Media space. The likes of Tucker, Info Wars, Ben Shapiro, a good percentage of the the right-wing political output of X/Twitter. It doesn't surprise me at all that Trump shares those views.
martinhutch
Full MemberIt’s about the actual definition of below average intelligence, the way IQ scores are designed,
More than half of all people probably noticed he didn't mention IQ though?
Well, there's a surprise, Trump's trying to delay paying his penalties.
https://twitter.com/SouthPoint1000/status/1760510377622949907
The DA will seize his assets. After all Mar e Largo is worth 1.5 billion isn’t it 🤷♂️
Meanwhile compound interest is running at something like $87,000 a DAY!
All this while Letitia James is taking down the NRA for fraud too.
I find it a little suspicious that in the last 2 days he's launched some very shonkly looking promotions - even for him, which are going to deliver him very little in terms of cash, and are hardly good for his image (although 80's shopping channel host is the look his team are going for?).
I suspect he's having real difficulty rustling-up even the bond part of the fine (or whatever it's called) and has had a rummage in the bottom of his cupboard to see what prototype merch he can suddenly rush out to generate a bit of cash. He has the same energy of an absent father in the toy section of his local Tesco on Christmas eve (please don't ask me how I know).
I suspect he’s having real difficulty rustling-up even the bond part of the fine
A big problem with real-estate based wealth is everything is propping everything else up. The loan to buy property X was underwritten by a security on Propety Y and so on. He also - broadly, owns less that he seams to - he's been a partner in a lot of his projects but tends only have a small stake - just putting his name on the front seems to be his contribution. A lot of his claimed worth he attributes simply to his name being on things and that therefore the value of that thing is due to him.
Trump Tower for instance - he only owns the bit at the top - which he 'lives in' when he can hold his nose and return to New York so gets no imcome from - and the retail space at the bottom - which should be prime retail space given its location but has been untenanted for a while is just a Trump/MAGA merch stall at present. It's the apparent jewel in his crown but it's kind of useless as an asset.
Also each asset is a Goose, not a golden egg. Sell that asset to pay the fine and you don;t just hand over that cast you lose all the income it generates is lost forever - so it becomes a long term wounding of the business.
To try and pay the fine he's going to be staring at this huge pile of Jenga blocks wondering what he can pull out and not have the whole thing tumble down. And every time he goes to pull a block he thinks is a safe bet someones going to say 'actually - that ones not yours'.
What would be funny would be for E. Jean Carrol to buy his properties in the fire-sale with the money he's having to pay here and put her name up in lights instead.
Funny as **** 🤣
The judgement - under state law - provides a 30 day period to pay or come up with the bond if there is an intended appeal.
Unless I've misunderstood - which is entirely possible - trump is asking for a 30 day extension over and above the 30 days he's allowed by law.
If correct, the only appropriate judicial response is...no.
Yeah, but phrasing that in lawyer-speak will be a minimum of ¢1000 an hour. "No" is much cheaper.
As long as it's no!
Oh my god... I suppose this is perfectly logical in conspiracy theory world but I just saw a reposted twitter chat where someone was claiming that Navalny died from the covid vaccine. The evidence? Well they used the magic words "died suddenly" which as we all know is a special secret expression that the media use to tell us that someone died from the vaccine but the government won't let them say that.
Wait until they all get back online AT&T mobile has apparently gone tits up that will start crazy talk of aliens and everything in-between
My gran 'died suddenly' many years ago - and of 'unknown causes'.
That's doubly suspicious - isn't it?
the orange shit gibbon winning bigly
So the 45th President turns out to be.... the 45th President
And then the the 45th will be the 46th
And then the the 45th will be the 47th
And then the the 45th will be the 48th
and so on
And also don't forget anyone buying any of Trumps 'assets' is going to be well aware of how much trouble he's in so they're not going to be buying anywhere full retail price. The only exceptions to that might be the Saudis or the Russians paying a good price to help their mate out. And theres someone from the gov running his affairs in NYC now too so thewy'[ll be doing a closing down sale price rather than solid going concerns just to get the money in a hurry.
Firesale is the term you're looking for.
trump is not known for disposing of assets willingly but now he doesn't have a negotiating position.
If the Saudis choose to get involved - and pay anything like market value - that will be as dubious as their
2 billion support for kushner.
If there are any asset sales or sale'n'lease back arrangements the media will be all over any information released; if sale'n'lease back, the IRS may be interested in the details.
Given the recent judgement, I would expect the retired judge who is overseeing trump org affairs and the (yet to be appointed) director of compliance to demand full visibility - and the right of veto.
In summary, neither trump nor his boys will be able to just do what they want - free of any scrutiny.
trump is not known for disposing of assets willingly
Which is why he buried Ivana on one of his golf courses - having family buried on your land prevents it being seized to pay debts. Trump's going to be eyeing the rest of his relations wondering how quickly he can get any of them into the ground. Now wonder Melania is so illusive.
No expense spared
Surely you mean...every expense spared.
A grave is the only bunker I’d like to see trump dig his way out of with a sand wedge
The judge, he say...no extension donny so the clock is now ticking.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/22/politics/trump-engoron-civil-fraud-order/index.html
Forced Asset sale if he cannot pay
he's appealing - well, he isn't; as usual, he's said he will appeal the judgement.
If he can't/won't, personally, put up the readies he can - in theory - borrow from a bank, use a bond company, put up assets.
Bank or bond company are likely to see him as a potential bad debt and apply extortionate/usurious interest - goody, goody.
His freedom to manoeuvre is constrained by the court appointed independent monitor - former federal judge - and independent compliance ditrector who will be appointed by the monitor.
TBF, this "must pay before you can appeal" system is deeply shitty, and it's created a whole deeply shitty bond industry much like that have with bail bonds where being innocent of a crime can still absolutely financially destroy you and where people simply can't afford or don't dare to appeal.
But on this occasion...
where being innocent of a crime can still absolutely financially destroy you and where people simply can’t afford
or don’t dare to appeal.not roll over and plead guilty before the case even gets to court
FTFY
Sooooo, if he has ran out of time wasting options and doesn’t have the cash, what’s next?
(please say prison!)
This is a civil case, no prison. But isn't the Manhattan DA, Alvin Bragg, eyeing up criminal charges based on all that juicy evidence?
(On top of the Stormy Daniels payoff case).
This is a civil case, no prison.
So even failing to pay court imposed fines wouldn't result in prison, no matter how big the fine? If so, that's disappointing...
I dunno about US law, but in a civil case in the UK, the court would appoint bailiffs to seize physical property and assets, if he refuses to pay the fine or agree to a strict payment schedule set out by the court.
TBF, this “must pay before you can appeal” system is deeply shitty
But isn't unique or new, and Trump's legal team must have known and advised Trump of such. He could of chosen not to make dodgy business deals that landed him ultimately in the situation he now finds himself.